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[Deleted member 3962]

some of those pics have good lightning which is why it might look fake but in reality it really doesn’t and no one ever commented about them possibly being fake.

Especially look at the first pic when I was higher bf (test bloat lol). Combined with harsh lightning it barely looks like I’ve got definition but its still creates ogee curve.
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[SurgerySoon]

Probably the latter. Don’t buy into bucal fat removal, Especially Considering the fact you’re concerned about aging

Damn you don’t know who you’re talking to.

He’s the first person to ever post about zygomatic arch implants. In a news article Eppley said Saiyan’s before and after is one of the single most things that have gotten him male implant clients

It makes me wonder if Dr. Y honestly thought that 4 and 6 mm of projection would be enough to get the kind of outcome I was hoping for, or if he was being intentionally conservative with my implant measurements. It kind of pisses me off to think it could be the latter and is one of the reasons as to why I'm seriously thinking of going with Eppley for the revision.

 

[BigBoy]

Probably the latter. Don’t buy into bucal fat removal, Especially Considering the fact you’re concerned about aging

Damn you don’t know who you’re talking to.

He’s the first person to ever post about zygomatic arch implants. In a news article Eppley said Saiyan’s before and after is one of the single most things that have gotten him male implant clients

Oh shit I thought that was you whl got surgery.

I cant believe im meeting the man in flesh. I read the NYT article he was mentioned in. Do you have pics of the main guy the article was featured around? I had always wondered what he looked like.

 

[SurgerySoon]

The jaw angle implants combined with getting very lean will give you that look

I want to be optimistic but I really can't see it happening, especially considering the fact that I'm already starting to exhibit age-related tissue descent that is going to cause my tissues to soon begin sagging down into the regions where the hollowing would be anyways.

BTW, even when I was extremely lean back during the summer when I was running a cycle of Anavar and and a steroid called DHB and had visible abs with veins and all that, I still wasn't lean in the face. I just don't lose fat in the face and lack the forward growth to really stretch out the tissues to create even the illusion of leanness.

 

[Deleted member 4054]

I want to be optimistic but I really can't see it happening, especially considering the fact that I'm already starting to exhibit age-related tissue descent that is going to cause my tissues to soon begin sagging down into the regions where the hollowing would be anyways.

BTW, even when I was extremely lean back during the summer when I was running a cycle of Anavar and and a steroid called DHB and had visible abs with veins and all that, I still wasn't lean in the face. I just don't lose fat in the face and lack the forward growth to really stretch out the tissues to create even the illusion of leanness.

True you won't have that EXACT look as you're older and skin may be thicker and so on, but you'll have something close to it in terms of that zygomatic demarcation. And you can still hold a decent amount of water in the face on low dose test, anavar and DHB (assuming the compounds were even accurately labeled). The jaw angle implants plus not much water retention at a true sub10% bf by dexa and you will have that look I guarantee it

 

[Pex1992]

To all eye color copers - tell me if this guy's rating would stay the same if he was brown eyed. It'd go down. Yes, he'd still be good looking but no where near as what he is now.

Blue/green eyes are legit slayer trait

Yes if you look average to above average eye colour haloes you a lot...gandy would be gl but not model tier if he did not have that gorgeous eye colour

 

[Saiyan]

Good to hear from you again. Some days ago someone that he regretted getting the arch portion of the implant to extend so much because he claimed that in low body fat and after working out and losing a lot of water in the face, that the outline of the arch implant was obviously visible, he compared it to a plank, and said it was hideous. Do you share a similar view?

Here is our back and forth if you’re curious
https://looksmax.org/threads/which-surgeon-can-perform-this-surgery-beside-eppley.71921/post-1265697

Idk what you mean by plank look but point of zygomatic arches is not to augment this part of the bone but for the smooth transition from malar area. It’s more of a blending tool so I wouldn’t recommend going big.

BTW, even when I was extremely lean back during the summer when I was running a cycle of Anavar and and a steroid called DHB and had visible abs with veins and all that, I still wasn't lean in the face. I just don't lose fat in the face and lack the forward growth to really stretch out the tissues to create even the illusion of leanness.

Var is not like other DHT based roids in that it removes water and bloat. My face for example can never be lean on anavar and all water from my body goes into my cheeks. DHB probably didn’t help either so try going 10% bf first on trt only.

 

[Golden Glass]

Idk what you mean by plank look but point of zygomatic arches is not to augment this part of the bone but for the smooth transition from malar area. It’s more of a blending tool so I wouldn’t recommend going big.

What I meant is that @KEy21 says that after working out he can visibly see the outline of the zygomatic arch and he claims it looks incredibly fake. Is this true for you?

 

[SurgerySoon]

True you won't have that EXACT look as you're older and skin may be thicker and so on, but you'll have something close to it in terms of that zygomatic demarcation. And you can still hold a decent amount of water in the face on low dose test, anavar and DHB (assuming the compounds were even accurately labeled). The jaw angle implants plus not much water retention at a true sub10% bf by dexa and you will have that look I guarantee it

The thing is though, even after I do intense cardio in humid weather, my face still looks relatively chubby. That's one reason I was looking into the feasibility of getting double jaw surgery - to get more of the forward growth that is really necessary to stretch out the tissues. TBH, maintaining <10% BF levels on a long-term basis is just not realistic for me given my genetics, routine, and everything else.

Idk what you mean by plank look but point of zygomatic arches is not to augment this part of the bone but for the smooth transition from malar area. It’s more of a blending tool so I wouldn’t recommend going big.



Var is not like other DHT based roids in that it removes water and bloat. My face for example can never be lean on anavar and all water from my body goes into my cheeks. DHB probably didn’t help either so try going 10% bf first on trt only.

@Saiyan check out some of my photos in posts #1 and #38 in the thread below:

https://looksmax.org/threads/should-i-get-a-revision-of-my-midface-implants.43663/

They were taken back in September. As you can see, even you can "kind of" see some pseudodefinition in my midface area, it's clear that the implants are 2-3 mm of projection short of really making my face look defined and chiseled.

 

[Golden Glass]

It makes me wonder if Dr. Y honestly thought that 4 and 6 mm of projection would be enough to get the kind of outcome I was hoping for, or if he was being intentionally conservative with my implant measurements. It kind of pisses me off to think it could be the latter and is one of the reasons as to why I'm seriously thinking of going with Eppley for the revision.

It’s probably his aesthetics philosophy, as well as his morality to some degree. If he believes in very conservative improvements, then he’d likely see it a just flat out wrong to give you a result that he finds ugly, especially with something quasi permanent like implants. Now if you really pressed him on it he would have possibly given you what you wished.

But....

At least one of those (aesthetic philosophy -and morality), if not both, is different with Eppley. He would’ve given you what you wanted with much less resistance. Eppley must be more of a moral libertine who just wants the customer to be happy...he’s literally removed ribs and lengthened clavicles for this reason, and has said as much in interviews—can you see Dr. Yaremchuck even thinking of doing that?

If Yaremchuck was even more conservative the two of them make an interesting case study of differences in a sort of cosmetic bioethics in this regard.

 

[SurgerySoon]

It’s probably his aesthetics philosophy, as well as his morality to some degree. If he believes in very conservative improvements, then he’d likely see it a just flat out wrong to give you a result that he finds ugly, especially with something quasi permanent like implants. Now if you really pressed him on it he would have possibly given you what you wished.

But....

At least one of those (aesthetic philosophy -and morality), if not both, is different with Eppley. He would’ve given you what you wanted with much less resistance. Eppley must be more of a moral libertine who just wants the customer to be happy...he’s literally removed ribs and lengthened clavicles for this reason, and has said as much in interviews—can you see Dr. Yaremchuck even thinking of doing that?

If Yaremchuck was even more conservative the two of them make an interesting case study of differences in a sort of cosmetic bioethics in this regard.

I agree, and no, I can't imagine Yaremchuk being willing to do over-the-top procedures like rib removal and clavicle lengthening. I think part of it is the fact that he's considered to a "pioneer" in the fields of both facial plastic surgery and craniofacial surgery, and he wants to preserve his reputation as an academician. Keep in mind that he teaches classes on facial PS and craniofacial surgery at Harvard AND trains a new class of facial plastic surgery specialists every year as director of the residency/fellowship program offered by Harvard in facial PS. He also comes across as one of those so-smart-he's-borderline-autistic guys.

On the other hand, as a student in a health professions program myself, Eppley reminds me of one of those guys in a medical/dental school class who may not be known as the token supergenius of the class, but at the same time he's a real go-getter and is all about studying 10+ hours/day if that's what it takes to graduate at the top of his class, get that coveted facial plastic surgery residency/fellowship position, and really go all-out with building and marketing his practice.

So in summary, I think Dr. Y is more concerned with maintaining his reputation, whereas Eppley is more of an aggressive businessman whose education/training happens to be in medicine and who is now focusing more on growing his practice as a business as opposed to doing surgery for more scholastic/academic purposes.

One reason I still might go with Y over E for my revision is because Y seems to have (at least in my case) a better eye for developing implants that look more like a natural extension of someone's native bone structure. For example, even though I definitely need more projection, my implants basically make my midface/infraorbital rims look like they probably would've looked if I'd naturally had better development. On the other hand, it seems like Eppley just recycles the same cheek implant design for the majority of his male patients, for the most part.

 

[Golden Glass]

On the other hand, it seems like Eppley just recycles the same cheek implant design for the majority of his male patients, for the most part.

Can you elaborate? Eppley makes a variety of different implants, with the ones we’re referring to here being custom made, and seems to constantly be updating his implant Arsenal with new things we didn’t know of (like that lookism user who got cheekbone+Indra orbital rim + arch implants, with the infraorbital rim ones covering and thus vertically shortening his orbital sockets by quite a bit).

 

[SurgerySoon]

Can you elaborate? Eppley makes a variety of different implants, with the ones we’re referring to here being custom made, and seems to constantly be updating his implant Arsenal with new things we didn’t know of (like that lookism user who got cheekbone+Indra orbital rim + arch implants, with the infraorbital rim ones covering and thus vertically shortening his orbital sockets by quite a bit).

You're right, he has come out with a few new implant designs lately. I was just basing my comment off of the fact that several users' custom cheek implants (Saiyan, Gosick, AscendantAutist back on Lookism, and maybe someone else) basically exhibited the same overall morphology in terms of how the malar area is augmented. I would definitely be curious to see what sort of implant design Eppley would come up with for me, just to compare it to what Dr. Y came up with.

 

[Golden Glass]

You're right, he has come out with a few new implant designs lately. I was just basing my comment off of the fact that several users' custom cheek implants (Saiyan, Gosick, AscendantAutist back on Lookism, and maybe someone else) basically exhibited the same overall morphology in terms of how the malar area is augmented. I would definitely be curious to see what sort of implant design Eppley would come up with for me, just to compare it to what Dr. Y came up with.

Probably his latest one: the midfacial “mask” implant, except with high infraorbital rims as well lmfao

 

[Slayer]

I know this is sacrilege on PSL, but this guy straight up mogs O'Pry. Better nose is the first thing I notice, plus he looks like an actual human being compared to gay alien Sean.

He does have that autism stare failo but it isn't nearly as bad as O'Pry.

 

[SurgerySoon]

Probably his latest one: the midfacial “mask” implant, except with high infraorbital rims as well lmfao

Honestly, I wonder if I should go back to have the "mask" implant placed and forget revising my current implants altogether, especially since my maxilla is recessed enough to warrant significant augmentation as well. The only issue is that the elevated infraorbital component probably wouldn't be feasible for me since my eyes are too buggy in the sense that they literally bulge out by a few mm and would therefore provide resistance against the infraorbital component of the implant.

 

[Slayer]

He looks insane even in shitty harsh elevator lighting

 

[Golden Glass]

He looks insane even in shitty harsh elevator lighting

He looks uncannily like O’Pry. Imagine him becoming a big model as well and the two of them starring in some sort of modelling campaign opposites lmfao

 

[MammothActuary]

He's trying to copy O'Pry

 

[SurgerySoon]

It makes me wonder if Dr. Y honestly thought that 4 and 6 mm of projection would be enough to get the kind of outcome I was hoping for, or if he was being intentionally conservative with my implant measurements. It kind of pisses me off to think it could be the latter and is one of the reasons as to why I'm seriously thinking of going with Eppley for the revision.

Another thing I wonder about -- if Dr. Y is more conservative and yet still gave me close to 6 mm of projection on my right cheek implant, then what would a more liberal/extreme surgeon like Eppley give me? Upwards of 1 cm? And would it occur to him on his own to give me that much projection based on the photos of celebrities that I bring in (e.g., Henry Cavill)?

 

[OCDMaxxing]

He didn’t look great by PSL standards before, and some would even say he still doesn’t, but NOONE has said his implants look fake.

PSL standards are autism overload, real world matters not forums.
His implants were not needed and due to issues with implants, bone erosion and general risks (now he can't get into fist fight or do dangerous sports anymore) he fucked himself up long term by doing those. Better would have done fillers in this case probably. His implants are also small and that is why they are ok, BUT most importantly - he has good overall facial harmony and aesthetics so implants are not noticeable. If he looked shit and had undeveloped facial bone structure implants would stand out as unnatural.

 

[Saiyan]

What I meant is that @KEy21 says that after working out he can visibly see the outline of the zygomatic arch and he claims it looks incredibly fake. Is this true for you?

No, it’s not

 

[Gengar]

He is very good looking. Mogs O'Pry.

 

[Golden Glass]

PSL standards are autism overload, real world matters not forums.
His implants were not needed and due to issues with implants, bone erosion and general risks (now he can't get into fist fight or do dangerous sports anymore) he fucked himself up long term by doing those. Better would have done fillers in this case probably. His implants are also small and that is why they are ok, BUT most importantly - he has good overall facial harmony and aesthetics so implants are not noticeable. If he looked shit and had undeveloped facial bone structure implants would stand out as unnatural.

No offense to @SurgerySoon but you claiming his implants looked natural because he had good harmony is something even he probably would disagree with, especially since eye area is so important, almost crucial, for “good harmony”

And the point is implants CAN look natural, not that all of them in all cases will...

for what it’s worth I’ve seen plenty of people who lack “harmony” or look unattractive and still their prominent cheekbones are still *natural looking cheekbones*...you can infer the same would be true for the “better” kind of cheekbone implants...that at worst they won’t improve your looks but still not look unnatural, and if you are severely recessed and there’s zero chance you’d have natural cheekbonea in the first place then obviously you should fix your recession first, if you feel that’s something preventing you from ever looking natural with cheekbone implants (@SurgerySoon was recessed btw and they still like 100% natural)

No, it’s not

Good to know thanks a lot man. I guess @KEy21 must have even thinner skin than you, or the outline of his implants might have been a mm or so thicker...

Btw how much forward, lateral and arch projection did your implants have? I’m pretty sure my skin is on the thinner side.

 

[Deleted member 4054]

Another thing I wonder about -- if Dr. Y is more conservative and yet still gave me close to 6 mm of projection on my right cheek implant, then what would a more liberal/extreme surgeon like Eppley give me? Upwards of 1 cm? And would it occur to him on his own to give me that much projection based on the photos of celebrities that I bring in (e.g., Henry Cavill)?

Not a chance would he have recommended cheek implants upwards of 1cm. And I don't think Yaremchuk is any more conservative than Eppley with respect to their proposed dimensions. If anything I've found the opposite to be the case. Eppley is just more willing to forgo what he thinks looks good and do exactly what the patient asks for, where as Yaremchuk won't.

 

[SurgerySoon]

No offense to @SurgerySoon but you claiming his implants looked natural because he had good harmony is something even he probably would disagree with, especially since eye area is so important, almost crucial, for “good harmony”

And the point is implants CAN look natural, not that all of them in all cases will...

for what it’s worth I’ve seen plenty of people who lack “harmony” or look unattractive and still their prominent cheekbones are still *natural looking cheekbones*...you can infer the same would be true for the “better” kind of cheekbone implants...that at worst they won’t improve your looks but still not look unnatural, and if you are severely recessed and there’s zero chance you’d have natural cheekbonea in the first place then obviously you should fix your recession first, if you feel that’s something preventing you from ever looking natural with cheekbone implants (@SurgerySoon was recessed btw and they still like 100% natural)


Good to know thanks a lot man. I guess @KEy21 must have even thinner skin than you, or the outline of his implants might have been a mm or so thicker...

Btw how much forward, lateral and arch projection did your implants have? I’m pretty sure my skin is on the thinner side.

No offense taken. I definitely didn't have good harmony before, and I still don't know. Not only will I not be anywhere close to having good harmony or really even being remotely good-looking until I get my eye area surgeries, but I also have other flaws that are either extremely difficult (e.g., flat/recessed maxilla) or impossible to fix (slightly less-than-ideal ratios, such as a midface that's a bit too long, not quite ideal IPD, etc.).

BTW, Dr. Y even has it in his patient profile notes for me that I have what he calls "midface retrusion," which is basically his way of saying my bones are recessed.

In general, I agree with what you're saying about custom implants not necessarily having to end up looking uncanny or unnatural. If the surgeon knows what he's doing and has a good aesthetic eye, he can design the implants to look like an extension of your native bone structure. For example, in these photos here that were taken in the reflection of one of my car windows a couple months ago, the only way you'd know I had something done is if you'd seen what my face looked like pre-surgery, because in these photos, it just looks like my upper-midface is more forward-grown in a natural way (sort of like what my midface might have looked like if I'd had idea or near-ideal natural development):

PSL standards are autism overload, real world matters not forums.
His implants were not needed and due to issues with implants, bone erosion and general risks (now he can't get into fist fight or do dangerous sports anymore) he fucked himself up long term by doing those. Better would have done fillers in this case probably. His implants are also small and that is why they are ok, BUT most importantly - he has good overall facial harmony and aesthetics so implants are not noticeable. If he looked shit and had undeveloped facial bone structure implants would stand out as unnatural.

LOL, are you sure you're referring to the right person (me)? I definitely had/have underdeveloped facial structure and I think most people would agree that my implants (or at least some form of augmentation) ARE needed, because my midface was very flat before (basically no ogee curve whatsoever). BTW, as far as I know and from looking at the implant design schematics other users have posted (e.g., Saiyan, Facemaxxed, AscendantAutist on Lookism, a few others), my implants actually are larger and provide more projection than anyone else's who I've seen so far, so I definitely wouldn't call them small. In fact, I think your inclination to say that they look natural because they're small is actually a testament to just how recessed my facial bones really are. My harmony still sucks, BTW.

 

[Ritalincel]

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[Mr.cope]

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[Deleted member 6305]

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