Ive started to become more liberal

[chudcell999]

I simply can't argue against most liberal concepts in an atheistic model

I'm not an atheist, but its low IQ to try and force your religious moral models on to others without evidence, it's not an intellegent behavior

Thus, I dont really have an issue with trannies anymore, I think it is largely a mental illness and obsession, however

So is alcoholism, or an autist obsessed with legos

I don't have an issue with suicide either, I don't think it's good, but killing yourself isn't technically immoral either

Nothing is "technically" immoral, so the only objective morality, or the closest thing to it, is not hurting other people to retain a peaceful society

Unless the trannies groom our children, they can't be argued against from a moral standpoint, it's just "icky"

I have genuinely been turned

I still find myself leaning more right as atheist I took a test and apparently I'm actually slightly left but according to every leftist I talk to I'm right wing like the concept of abortion being murder I agree it's murder there's no other way around it You're killing your small offspring that will be functioning if you didn't kill it I also believe it's wrong because you can't just get rid of your problems if your problem is a living human as far as LGBT goes I don't care for the most part but it's the T there is no such thing as T because you cannot change something that's physical Men cannot become women women cannot become men it's just biology maybe a day in the future you can change your genetics and genuinely transition but until then there's just really pretty men and really handsome women

 

[Gaygymmaxx]

Keep an open mind, because these points really are just not quite good enough.

You're killing your small offspring that will be functioning if you didn't kill it

So where does it stop?

If I masterbate am I killing thousands of kids too? This may sound excessive but it's literally the same thing

We are talking about pre-conscious, POTENTIAL life, this is just not a good point.

I also believe it's wrong because you can't just get rid of your problems if your problem is a living human

i solve the problem of needing b12 by slaughtering thousands of animals for year for personal consumption

I'd wager you do the same, the value of the life as we covered before is not based on potential so this is actually way worse than killing animals

Think about it, 1000 sentient animals that are smart enough to protect their offspring per year because I cba to supplement with b12

Vs 1 non sentient pre-animal which will have a huge detriment to a person's life who isn't ready, and to the child as well.

It's a no Brainer

 

[chudcell999]

Keep an open mind, because these points really are just not quite good enough.

So where does it stop?

If I masterbate am I killing thousands of kids too? This may sound excessive but it's literally the same thing

We are talking about pre-conscious, POTENTIAL life, this is just not a good point.

i solve the problem of needing b12 by slaughtering thousands of animals for year for personal consumption

I'd wager you do the same, the value of the life as we covered before is not based on potential so this is actually way worse than killing animals

Think about it, 1000 sentient animals that are smart enough to protect their offspring per year because I cba to supplement with b12

Vs 1 non sentient pre-animal which will have a huge detriment to a person's life who isn't ready, and to the child as well.

It's a no Brainer

Well that's where it gets dicy for me I personally would hunt and kill my own food once I live on my own I do believe it's wrong to traffic animals for their meat I believe there should be the cycle of life but for abortion it's wrong because people like to pretend by saying "potential life" as if there's not a literal 99% chance the child will be born alive and well but I do agree with you children shouldn't have to bear The heartaching pain of being in poverty and as a mechanical atheist I kind of believe no lives are truly sacred nothing really matters meaning there is no wrong but if we pretend like human life is sacred killing your young baby is wrong You're not going to convince me otherwise

 

[Gaygymmaxx]

Well that's where it gets dicy for me I personally would hunt and kill my own food once I live on my own I do believe it's wrong to traffic animals for their meat I believe there should be the cycle of life but for abortion it's wrong because people like to pretend by saying "potential life" as if there's not a literal 99% chance the child will be born alive and well but I do agree with you children shouldn't have to bear The heartaching pain of being in poverty and as a mechanical atheist I kind of believe no lives are truly sacred nothing really matters meaning there is no wrong but if we pretend like human life is sacred killing your young baby is wrong You're not going to convince me otherwise

Whether you "would" hunt your own food had no relevance whatsoever

You don't need meat, you could live without it, but you'd prefer not to, and same goes for me

And so, we will kill thousands of animals per year, even if you hunted this doesn't change anything here

and I'm not talking about likelihood, they aren't sentient yet, they don't yet feel pain

The onus is on you to tell me why it's immoral, not the other way around

As an atheist your take doesn't make any sense

 

[chudcell999]

Whether you "would" hunt your own food had no relevance whatsoever

You don't need meat, you could live without it, but you'd prefer not to, and same goes for me

And so, we will kill thousands of animals per year, even if you hunted this doesn't change anything here

and I'm not talking about likelihood, they aren't sentient yet, they don't yet feel pain

The onus is on you to tell me why it's immoral, not the other way around

As an atheist your take doesn't make any sense

How are you to say they are not sentient beings it has been proven babies develop they're native language when there and their mother's womb babies do feel pain there was an interview from an ex abortionist that said in the later stages of pregnancy the children would scream and cry when he used his prongs to pull them limb from limb and I am changing something if I were to hunt my own food I'm not contributing to the trafficking. Killing an animal that lived to fulfill life by shooting it in the back of the head is a lot different then killing one that never got to experience life organically it's not necessarily the act of killing a animal that's wrong it's the act of slavering the animal effectively torturing it until its killed and nothing is truly wrong if you want to be mechanically atheist here I can go blow some guy brains out right now and nothing will stop me I will only go punished by other men there are no laws in nature but if we have empathy here we can see why it's wrong it's simply empathy That's what makes it wrong.

 

[Gaygymmaxx]

How are you to say they are not sentient beings it has been proven babies develop they're native language when there and their mother's womb babies do feel pain there was an interview from an ex abortionist that said in the later stages of pregnancy the children would scream and cry when he used his prongs to pull them limb from limb and I am changing something if I were to hunt my own food I'm not contributing to the trafficking. Killing an animal that lived to fulfill life by shooting it in the back of the head is a lot different then killing one that never got to experience life organically it's not necessarily the act of killing a animal that's wrong it's the act of slavering the animal effectively torturing it until its killed and nothing is truly wrong if you want to be mechanically atheist here I can go blow some guy brains out right now and nothing will stop me I will only go punished by other men there are no laws in nature but if we have empathy here we can see why it's wrong it's simply empathy That's what makes it wrong.

Ok I understand your position with atheism but you are still failing to present any logical argument

And this is ridiculous,

"It got to fulfill life"

Is it fulfilled the moment you eat it for dinner? This is malarkey.

And it still doesn't matter, muh fulfilled life

ILL SAY IT A THIRD TIME, YOU CAN SURVIVE WITHOUT MEAT, YOU, AND I, WOULD SIMPLY PREFER NOT TO.

we, disregard sentient life, for tasty bacon and maybe 5 years of increased life (thousands per year)

A woman, may disregard a non sentient, almost alive fetus for their livelihood and ability to progress in life

Both are roughly equivalent in terms of detriments

Except ONLY ONE requires HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DEAD ANIMALS OVER YOUR LIFESPAN

 

[chudcell999]

Ok I understand your position with atheism but you are still failing to present any logical argument

And this is ridiculous,

"It got to fulfill life"

Is it fulfilled the moment you eat it for dinner? This is malarkey.

And it still doesn't matter, muh fulfilled life

ILL SAY IT A THIRD TIME, YOU CAN SURVIVE WITHOUT MEAT, YOU, AND I, WOULD SIMPLY PREFER NOT TO.

we, disregard sentient life, for tasty bacon and maybe 5 years of increased life (thousands per year)

A woman, may disregard a non sentient, almost alive fetus for their livelihood and ability to progress in life

Both are roughly equivalent in terms of detriments

Except ONLY ONE requires HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DEAD ANIMALS OVER YOUR LIFESPAN

Well you're minimizing it you stupid nigger like I said as a mechanical atheist if you want to be like that NO LIFE MATTERS because there is no ultimate purpose But you have to realize most people don't think this way even liberal atheist or else they wouldn't be liberal or associated with any political ideology so most people do have self-governing on what is wrong and right My logical explanation for why abortion is wrong is because IT IS CONSCIOUS AND LIVING HUMAN PERSON. And why killing animals in nature is correct because that is the circle of life I prefer to keep balance on Earth like it has always been humans have eaten other creatures since we have existed humans need meat to function at their best ability and even though I believe it is not wrong to kill an animal to consume its meat it is wrong to enslave animals in warehouses just to be slaughtered years later the animal should have lived organically before a human kills it also shut the fuck up about killing thousands of animals a year because technically it is thousands of animals a year but each animal body goes to like 50 different people so shut the fuck up it's not one animal per person nigger

 

[Gaygymmaxx]

Well you're minimizing it you stupid nigger like I said as a mechanical atheist if you want to be like that NO LIFE MATTERS because there is no ultimate purpose But you have to realize most people don't think this way even liberal atheist or else they wouldn't be liberal or associated with any political ideology so most people do have self-governing on what is wrong and right My logical explanation for why abortion is wrong is because IT IS CONSCIOUS AND LIVING HUMAN PERSON. And why killing animals in nature is correct because that is the circle of life I prefer to keep balance on Earth like it has always been humans have eaten other creatures since we have existed humans need meat to function at their best ability and even though I believe it is not wrong to kill an animal to consume its meat it is wrong to enslave animals in warehouses just to be slaughtered years later the animal should have lived organically before a human kills it also shut the fuck up about killing thousands of animals a year because technically it is thousands of animals a year but each animal body goes to like 50 different people so shut the fuck up it's not one animal per person nigger

"I just want to Keep the balance of nature brah!"

Also calls me a retarded nigger...

Are you a serial rapist who takes what he wants?

No, because we aren't in nature you obtuse donkey, you're simply low iq and clearly not worth the mental bandwidth.

 

[Wexilarious]

Same goes for abortion

In an atheist model: we are simply preventing a kid from being poor and having no dad

In a religious model: we are ending the incarnation of a soul

We live in a world based on logic. So I adhere to the former now.

in healthmaxxer model abortion is gigalooksmin and healthmin

 

[Gaygymmaxx]

in healthmaxxer model abortion is gigalooksmin and healthmin

For the fetus? Definitely a healthmin

 

[Wexilarious]

For the fetus? Definitely a healthmin

No, it's specifically for women injuries occur very often, because they literally do it with sharp irons, cutting the "fetus"

 

[Thad Castle]

whatever side favors public hanging for somali rapists and heavy border control is the side im on

 

[Gaygymmaxx]

No, it's specifically for women injuries occur very often, because they literally do it with sharp irons, cutting the "fetus"

Well.. some feminoids consider the burden of childbirth and taking care of a little shit for 18 years a bit more impactful

 

[Thad Castle]

Well.. some feminoids consider the burden of childbirth and taking care of a little shit for 18 years a bit more impactful

the answer is clearly to brutally kill the innocent baby instead of having protected sex

 

[Gaygymmaxx]

the answer is clearly to brutally kill the innocent baby instead of having protected sex

If you're not a vegan this will never be internally consistent, I agree they are dirty sluts but we kill thousands of animals for the taste, this is not a good enough argument

 

[chudcell999]

"I just want to Keep the balance of nature brah!"

Also calls me a retarded nigger...

Are you a serial rapist who takes what he wants?

No, because we aren't in nature you obtuse donkey, you're simply low iq and clearly not worth the mental bandwidth.

Chudcell- provides a logical explanation for why hunting murder is fine but abortion murder is wrong.

Retarded IQ larping nigger- "That's not a logical argument"

Let me explain it in a simple terms as possible killing small fetuses is a killing small people we should love our own kind and not kill them of course morals go by person to person someone could be perfectly fine with killing their offspring hunting is fine because it's nature we've done it for all of time.

 

[Gaygymmaxx]

Chudcell- provides a logical explanation for why hunting murder is fine but abortion murder is wrong.

Retarded IQ larping nigger- "That's not a logical argument"

Well let's see:

we should love our own kind and not kill them

empty words, no logic

of course morals go by person to person someone could be perfectly fine with killing their offspring

of course, we are coming to common sense agreement, im already aware of this and am adhering to your model

hunting is fine because it's nature we've done it for all of time.

We rape in nature for all of time too, this is technically a "logical" argument but it's a bad one, which I've gone over twice already

You're a fucking midwit, I've countered all of these points each more than once and your pea brain can't compete it, it's so disappointing to remember the average IQ midwit is so much dumber than you think they actallly are. Very disturbing.

 

[Thad Castle]

If you're not a vegan this will never be internally consistent, I agree they are dirty sluts but we kill thousands of animals for the taste, this is not a good enough argument

i disagree

We dont eat animals strictly for taste. Atleast i do cause their nutritionally superior

I also hate the fact how animals are processed and killed, they should be raised in an open pasture

its different than murdering a baby

 

[Gaygymmaxx]

i disagree

We dont eat animals strictly for taste. Atleast i do cause their nutritionally superior

I also hate the fact how animals are processed and killed, they should be raised in an open pasture

its different than murdering a baby

Even then,

Not for taste, open pasture

Even if you hunted your food, and even if it gave you an arbitrary 10 years of extra life guaranteed,

You're still killing thousands of animals who are sentient for a mere 10 years of your own life

meanwhile a woman kills one non sentient, almost-conscious animal to preserve THEIR OWN QUALITY OF LIFE you draw the line?

Its not equivalent, because you're commiting more murder compared to the benefit. And murder MORE SENTIENT animals while you do it.

roughly 50k animals for 10 years (nutrition)

1 non sentient half animal for a better quality of life

Don't be bad faith

 

[chudcell999]

Well let's see:

empty words, no logic

of course, we are coming to common sense agreement, im already aware of this and am adhering to your model

We rape in nature for all of time too, this is technically a "logical" argument but it's a bad one, which I've gone over twice already

You're a fucking midwit, I've countered all of these points each more than once and your pea brain can't compete it, it's so disappointing to remember the average IQ midwit is so much dumber than you think they actallly are. Very disturbing.

You want me to describe logically why abortion is wrong but nothing with logic nothing is wrong there is no wrong you bring up the rape argument like that's some sort of gotcha but it's proving to yourself that there are moral limits that most people have with your sort of mechanical atheism nothing is wrong nothing matters no life is sacred politics mean nothing money means nothing happiness means nothing sadness means nothing you just sound like you're trying to not admit I'm right because you have to be the guy that's right because you build your entire personality of being high IQ nigger shut the fuck up and just rope already since nothing matters to you

 

[Gaygymmaxx]

You want me to describe logically why abortion is wrong but nothing with logic nothing is wrong there is no wrong you bring up the rape argument like that's some sort of gotcha but it's proving to yourself that there are moral limits that most people have with your sort of mechanical atheism nothing is wrong nothing matters no life is sacred politics mean nothing money means nothing happiness means nothing sadness means nothing you just sound like you're trying to not admit I'm right because you have to be the guy that's right because you build your entire personality of being high IQ nigger shut the fuck up and just rope already since nothing matters to you

Dnr any of this as I said you're not worth my time

 

[Thad Castle]

Even then,

Not for taste, open pasture

Even if you hunted your food, and even if it gave you an arbitrary 10 years of extra life guaranteed,

You're still killing thousands of animals who are sentient for a mere 10 years of your own life

meanwhile a woman kills one non sentient, almost-conscious animal to preserve THEIR OWN QUALITY OF LIFE you draw the line?

Its not equivalent, because you're commiting more murder compared to the benefit. And murder MORE SENTIENT animals while you do it.

roughly 50k animals for 10 years (nutrition)

1 non sentient half animal for a better quality of life

Don't be bad faith

Still disagree i think its an opinionated topic

the animal still lives a life and its natural to eat the animal as thats what we have done since the dawn of time

Theres just a difference between hunting food from a living animal, and murdering a baby that could have been prevented by not having sex, birth control, a condom.

 

[chudcell999]

Dnr any of this as I said you're not worth my time

Nigga got stumped bruh just realize our iq means nothing for the quality of social life so stop larping it

 

[Gaygymmaxx]

Still disagree i think its an opinionated topic

the animal still lives a life and its natural to eat the animal as thats what we have done since the dawn of time

Theres just a difference between hunting food from a living animal, and murdering a baby that could have been prevented by not having sex, birth control, a condom.

Let's forget nature, we rape in nature, we murder in nature, this is fruitless.

You can say there's a difference but you have to describe it

It's food you don't need, you can live without it. And take b12 vitamins

10 years was generous differential,

She doesn't "need" to abort a fetus

You don't "need" to kill tens of thousands of animals

you have to tell me why tens of thousands of living animals are less important than a non sentient fetus.

 

[Gaygymmaxx]

Nigga got stumped bruh just realize our iq means nothing for the quality of social life so stop larping it

Quality of social life? No shit

Another display of your miniscule intellect

 

[Thad Castle]

Im not comparing thousands of animals to one fetus im saying it wrong to kill a baby that couldve been prevented

Also i have no problems with people being vegans but,

they are far less healthy than people who eat nutrient dense animal products

we rape in nature

theres also a difference between rape and what our ancestor's NEEDED to do to survive

 

[chudcell999]

Quality of social life? No shit

Another display of your miniscule intellect

You trying to constantly belittle my intelligence only proves you believe you are superior to most people in that aspect meaning you value it You're trying to show it off it's obvious your PFP is some fucking dude looking all smart and shit but if you were actually smart you would realize none of that shit in real life matters

 

[Gaygymmaxx]

Im not comparing thousands of animals to one fetus im saying it wrong to kill a baby that couldve been prevented

Also i have no problems with people being vegans but,

they are far less healthy than people who eat nutrient dense animal products

Yes, thousands of lives ended for improved quality of life, it doesn't matter how many times you say it, it is selfish

theres also a difference between rape and what our ancestor's NEEDED to do to survive

Still doesn't matter. At all.

You don't need it to survive.

Our ancestors put leeches on their arms to cure diseases. It matters not even a little bit. Stop saying this.

 

[Thad Castle]

Yes, thousands of lives ended for improved quality of life, it doesn't matter how many times you say it, it is selfish

Still doesn't matter. At all.

You don't need it to survive.

Our ancestors put leeches on their arms to cure diseases. It matters not even a little bit. Stop saying this.

idk man i would rather eat meat than eat green leaves and take 100 lab supplements

agree to disagree

 

[Gaygymmaxx]

idk man i would rather eat meat than eat green leaves and take 100 lab supplements

agree to disagree

What are you a fucking idiot? Are you under the impression I'm trying to convert you to vegan?

What a waste of my time.

 

[tomahawk]

The atheistic model is a lie

 

[Gaygymmaxx]

The atheistic model is a lie

I said I am not an atheist

But I don't have enough evidence to prove reincarnation every time I have a ideological debate

 

[EvilSatanArseRapist]

they can't be argued against from a moral standpoint, it's just "icky"

This way with a LOT of stuff imo...

While i'm not a big morals guy i have adopted this mindset some time last year.

Idk exactly when.

Glad i'm not a retarded neonazifag

 

[tomahawk]

I said I am not an atheist

But I don't have enough evidence to prove reincarnation every time I have a ideological debate

Read Aristotle
One singular God exists

 

[Gaygymmaxx]

Read Aristotle
One singular God exists

Dnr if you ain't really got shit to say

 

[tomahawk]

Dnr if you ain't really got shit to say

?

 

[Gaygymmaxx]

This way with a LOT of stuff imo...

While i'm not a big morals guy i have adopted this mindset some time last year.

Idk exactly when.

Glad i'm not a retarded neonazifag

Technically there is no objective morality

There isn't any objective way to measure things

Is my enjoyment of graping a foid not equivalent to her suffering?

Even if it's not, what makes her or any life valuable at all

We cannot degrade to this level but at the core, there is nothing wrong with a lot of things in atheism

Libs who say there is morality without religion are wrong

Even then its not enough to force my beliefs on to them, so i just adhere to common sense, or common morals

 

[EvilSatanArseRapist]

Technically there is no objective morality

There isn't any objective way to measure things

Is my enjoyment of graping a foid not equivalent to her suffering?

Even if it's not, what makes her or any life valuable at all

Well yeah, ofcourse.
One could even say that using earth as a refference system is incredibly subjective, should there be life on other planets.

I am an atheist.

I do not believe in right or wrong.

We can only say that according to norm X derived from our (subejctively defined) value Y behaviour Z is appropriate or inappropriate.

Even then its not enough to force my beliefs on to them

Based in a way.

Libs who say there is morality without religion are wrong

Truke.

 

[Gaygymmaxx]

Well yeah, ofcourse.
One could even say that using earth as a refference system is incredibly subjective, should there be life on other planets.

I am an atheist.

I do not believe in right or wrong.

We can only say that according to norm X derived from our (subejctively defined) value Y behaviour Z is appropriate or inappropriate.


Based in a way.


Truke.

Even if I don't convince you

Amongst religions, would you concur that reincarnation is simply logically consistent and reasonable?

Besides the proof, there are reincarnation stories but very few will be convinced despite their significance

I'm just talking about the concept

 

[Thad Castle]

What are you a fucking idiot? Are you under the impression I'm trying to convert you to vegan?

What a waste of my time.

never said that just a perference

"Fucking idiot" cause we dont agree 100k rep for what

 

[EvilSatanArseRapist]

I'm just talking about the concept

No, i don't believe in reincarnation, souls or anything along those lines.

@satangoy (atheist who believes in something along the lines of karma, gtfinh)

 

[satangoy]

No, i don't believe in reincarnation, souls or anything along those lines.

@satangoy (atheist who believes in something along the lines of karma, gtfinh)

agnostic but yh close, good thread thx for the tag

 

[lowtiersubhuman]

What? Nobody mentioned trump

I thought you were talking about American politics mb

 

[Gaygymmaxx]

I thought you were talking about American politics mb

Yea I am

But I meant an issue, such as abortion or Healthcare, not the answer you gave, trump is convicted that is water

 

[Bajio]

I simply can't argue against most liberal concepts in an atheistic model

I'm not an atheist, but its low IQ to try and force your religious moral models on to others without evidence, it's not an intellegent behavior

Thus, I dont really have an issue with trannies anymore, I think it is largely a mental illness and obsession, however

So is alcoholism, or an autist obsessed with legos

I don't have an issue with suicide either, I don't think it's good, but killing yourself isn't technically immoral either

Nothing is "technically" immoral, so the only objective morality, or the closest thing to it, is not hurting other people to retain a peaceful society

Unless the trannies groom our children, they can't be argued against from a moral standpoint, it's just "icky"

I have genuinely been turned

redemption arc

 

[Bajio]

Is bro gay?

u see it in his name

 

[Idontknow-]

u see it in his name

@vampi

 

[Netrunner]

objective morality obviously doesn't exist. morality is a human construct to withhold values that ensure human survival.

lgbtq is "perverted" because it dramatically increases chances of an std, lowers birthrates(they cant/wont have children) and in most cases caused by a variety of childhood trauma and/or hormonal problems.

having a high body count is "perverted" because it interferes with pair bonding abilities to successfully form a long term monogamous relationship that would bring you to have a stable family life,reproduce and be a functioning and healthy member of the society(especially for women, but i think also for men to lesser degree). most people who show aggressive sexual behaviour or also unstable and untrustable in other areas of life.

drugs are bad because people get hooked and fuck their lives with it.

99% of moral values are there because they ensure that people live together in harmony and exclude or punish those who engage in anti-social and erratic behaviour.

morality is not a concept that needs to be intellectualized to be understood, its basically just "don't engage in behaviour that you wouldn't openly approve others engaging in,don't do to others what you wouldn't done to your self".