Jaw surgery / FAGGA (Birdcel) (it's not over yet)

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See the image below. Ignore the filthy skin and hair.

My current copes are:
A genioplasty sliding or alternatively a chinimplant is a given. This will most likely lead to a sharper jawline as well, as the skin and fat is pulled forward in the procedure.
As I've marked in the image, the overbite is not drastic, so bsso surgery is pointless as it can only move the lower jaw so much forward until the lower teeth are directly behind the upper teeth. The only way would be to make the mandible move so far forward as to create an underbite (this has never been done to my knowledge)
The reason is, that the maxilla has been artificially pulled backwards in my developmental years by my dentist. This made the overbite much less pronounced, on the other hand has created a very unattractive face.
FAGGA (no surgery, moves the teeth and hopefully also the bone above it (maxilla) forward) This would give some space for a potential bsso if the mandible is not following the forward growth automatically. The FAGGA procedure can create elongated faces if the upper teeth are facing downwards instead of forward, which is often the case for mouthbreathers. But in my case, weirdly enough, the teeth are lined along the blue line, which shows no downward sloping whatsoever So if the procedure would work, then the maxilla would move forward.

There are tons of additional aesthetic procedures and methods, that I will likely do, but without fixing the jaw, they are somewhat pointless. I will experiment with high doses of hgh plus peptides to induce potential acromegaly. There has been a study, where gh has been injected directly into the jaws of mice or rats, but the results were sadly inconclusive.
 

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You can get to chad-lite tier with that surgery tbh your skull is well shaped
 
If FAGGA is anything like AGGA you are fucked. I feel as if you lack knowledge about surgeries as it’s very recommended that you get osteotomies for anything lower third related.

Also, I genuinely think your plan is shit. I would recommend bimax w/ genioplasty for lower third. This can be done relatively cheap as well.

If you need more advice for mid/upper third lmk or if you think I’m wrong lmk
Im curious about your looksmaxxing plan
 
If FAGGA is anything like AGGA you are fucked. I feel as if you lack knowledge about surgeries as it’s very recommended that you get osteotomies for anything lower third related.

Also, I genuinely think your plan is shit. I would recommend bimax w/ genioplasty for lower third. This can be done relatively cheap as well.

If you need more advice for mid/upper third lmk or if you think I’m wrong lmk
I am aware that lefort 3 with palate wideing and rotation (i would atleast not need any rotation I think) and all that fancy stuff would be ideal, but
the problem with upper jaw osteotomies is that risk to reward ratio. Everything above lefort 1 is not worth it Imo. But my zygos for example are also underdevelped, so if I move only my upper jaw too far forward it will maybe not look right.
 
RPE
Bimax w/ Chin Wing
Almond eye w/ infraorbital implants

Once I get those I’ll reassess. There are a couple other things I have in mind that less invasive.
Youre really short to right? Are you going to get LL?
 
Here is a picture of how I usually look like. I am jutting my lower jaw forward constantly. However I have only gotten negative feedback, that it looks weird and I look like I'm always in a bad mood... In my opinion it looks 10 times better and manlier than with the jaw in normal position.
Is this a viable alternative to surgery?? I think when you see it in person you can tell something is off sadly.
DJS/Bimax is Lefort 1 + BSSO
I know? Man, like I said, I'm really just trying to avoid any upper jaw surgery. There are examples of those surgeries with very bad outcomes. If a upper jaw surgery stands between the incel and the normal life (i'm not even thinking about being incredibly desired, just ascending from the lower 5 percent of society), then I will do it. But the results are rarely substantial and there are too many cases with complications.
 

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Jutting is very commonly done but I know very few who can pull it off.

Also, not only your lower third but your nose (from a side profile) will improve from what I recommended above.

Surgery is the only way.
I experimented around with fotoshop to make the nose sharper and a bit smaller and it would look amazing. So I'm thinking about a rhinoplasty, which is still much less invasive then lefort 1. But you're obviously right, getting a good jaw would fix the nose automatically, as it corrects the side profile and draws attention away from the nose.
Maybe there really is no way around a bimax surgery. I'm gonna try everything else before though.
 
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What is anyone's opinion on Prof. Sailor in Switzerland (for bimax). I estimate the procedure to be about 100k Chf, but I think my insurance could pay part of it. I have the money, should I go for it? (he is very old sadly, lots of experience, but I would feel more comfortable in the hands of a younger surgeon)

Personally I liked the results of Michael Gunson better, they look more natural. Has anybody had experiences with him?
 
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rats growth plates are different than humans so you cant take that as an example
 
See the image below. Ignore the filthy skin and hair.

My current copes are:
A genioplasty sliding or alternatively a chinimplant is a given. This will most likely lead to a sharper jawline as well, as the skin and fat is pulled forward in the procedure.
As I've marked in the image, the overbite is not drastic, so bsso surgery is pointless as it can only move the lower jaw so much forward until the lower teeth are directly behind the upper teeth. The only way would be to make the mandible move so far forward as to create an underbite (this has never been done to my knowledge)
The reason is, that the maxilla has been artificially pulled backwards in my developmental years by my dentist. This made the overbite much less pronounced, on the other hand has created a very unattractive face.
FAGGA (no surgery, moves the teeth and hopefully also the bone above it (maxilla) forward) This would give some space for a potential bsso if the mandible is not following the forward growth automatically. The FAGGA procedure can create elongated faces if the upper teeth are facing downwards instead of forward, which is often the case for mouthbreathers. But in my case, weirdly enough, the teeth are lined along the blue line, which shows no downward sloping whatsoever So if the procedure would work, then the maxilla would move forward.

There are tons of additional aesthetic procedures and methods, that I will likely do, but without fixing the jaw, they are somewhat pointless. I will experiment with high doses of hgh plus peptides to induce potential acromegaly. There has been a study, where gh has been injected directly into the jaws of mice or rats, but the results were sadly inconclusive.


Getting FAGGA is such low IQ that anyone who undergoes it deserves a ban.

THE COST
Just a consultation with Dr. Mew costs 621 US dollars. An AGGA or FAGGA treatment costs 10-15k
In order to make a comparison, a bimax + genio costs 10k euros in Italy

THE EFFECTS
AGGA can only advance your upper dental arch forward, while Lefort 1 can advance the whole lower maxilla
AGGA cannot change the occlusal plane, so you may get a narrow face, whereas Lefort 1 can be performed with a CCW rotation
AGGA cannot fix frontal plane facial asymmetries, while Lefort 1 can
 
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Getting FAGGA is such low IQ that anyone who undergoes it deserves a ban.

THE COST
Just a consultation with Dr. Mew costs 621 US dollars. An AGGA or FAGGA treatment costs 10-15k
In order to make a comparison, a bimax + genio costs 10k euros in Italy

THE EFFECTS
AGGA can only advance your upper dental arch forward, while Lefort 1 can advance the whole lower maxilla
AGGA cannot change the occlusal plane, so you may get a narrow face, whereas Lefort 1 can be performed with a CCW rotation
AGGA cannot fix frontal plane facial asymmetries, while Lefort 1 can
Money is not a problem though. This might be the most important investment of my life.

Some poeple say Fagga/Agga does indeed induce bone growth, so not just the dental arch moves forward, but also part of the maxilla.
The device can also widen the dental arch / upper jaw. I don't think I have major asymmetries in my upper jaw.
 
stop coping and get upper jaw surgery. you look disgusting quit jutting, its noticeable and looks like shit and weird
 
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What is anyone's opinion on Prof. Sailor in Switzerland (for bimax). I estimate the procedure to be about 100k Chf, but I think my insurance could pay part of it. I have the money, should I go for it? (he is very old sadly, lots of experience, but I would feel more comfortable in the hands of a younger surgeon)

Personally I liked the results of Michael Gunson better, they look more natural. Has anybody had experiences with him?
Bruh. Just get a bimax + genio in Italy for 10k.

I literally cant find a money for a heightmaxxing stack and richcels like you are ready throw 90k $ as if its nothing
 
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