Jaw surgery relapse rate at 60%

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"In their systematic review, Joss et al. (2010) found that 60 percent may experience relapse in the long-term and other studies put the figure at 100 percent."

That means every 2 is experiencing this. Insane.
Wth i didnt even know that this is possible. I think this is really important.

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[Fear]

Can confirm. Had jaw surgery for an underbite and lower jaw relapsed quite a bit. Muscle memory is brutal.

 

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Can confirm. Had jaw surgery for an underbite and lower jaw relapsed quite a bit. Muscle memory is brutal.

What will/can you do know?

 

[Equinox]

Also;
Jędrzejewski et al.4 reviewed complications associated with orthognathic surgery, and reported that the rate of nerve injury was the highest at 50%, followed by TMD (14%), hemorrhage (9%), hearing problem (7%), infections (7%), and relapse (4%).

Complications associated with orthognathic surgery

 

[.👽.]

Also;
Jędrzejewski et al.4 reviewed complications associated with orthognathic surgery, and reported that the rate of nerve injury was the highest at 50%, followed by TMD (14%), hemorrhage (9%), hearing problem (7%), infections (7%), and relapse (4%).

Complications associated with orthognathic surgery

Its really risky. I need to rethink about getting bimax

 

[Fear]

What will/can you do know?

Orthodontics, specifically lingual braces. They were able to correct the relapse to a decent degree.

The end result is overall good, but it is an incredible surgery to get exactly right when you think about it. They're aiming for millimeters of accuracy in the face of major swelling, muscle memory, sawed bones, and severed nerves.

 

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Orthodontics, specifically lingual braces. They were able to correct the relapse to a decent degree. The end result is overall good.

So would you get your surgery again if you knew it would relapse?

 

[Deleted member 3043]

wdym by relapse ?

 

[Hades]

Yet again proving you have to mew to keep the progress. My orthodontist literally tells me this all the time that you’ll relapse if you don’t adopt correct tongue posture.

 

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wdym by relapse ?

Jaw reverting to its original position

 

[Deleted member 3043]

Jaw reverting to its original position

oh man... so you would need to redo a jaw surgery ? is it only for lefort1 or also bsso ? and what about genio ?

 

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Yet again proving you have to mew to keep the progress. My orthodontist literally tells me this all the time that you’ll relapse if you don’t adopt correct tongue posture.

Yes you need to fix tongue posture/ breathing and wear your rubber bands daily.

Dont know why you reacted with the laughing emoji tho

 

[HumidVent]

Is the risk the same if you only get a bsso?

 

[Hades]

Yes you need to fix tongue posture/ breathing and wear your rubber bands daily.

Dont know why you reacted with the laughing emoji tho

I’m laughing cause the jew surgeons don’t tell their patients this because they WANT them to relapse so they have to get surgery again.

 

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Is the risk the same if you only get a bsso?

Bro i just red 2 min about it. Im no expert. But i guess with bsso its the biggest risk.

What do you think @Sergio-OMS

 

[SixCRY]

Bro its nrml to relapse if u dont have correct tongue posture

After surgery bone remodelling can occur very easily even if you are an adult cuz bone get straight cut

So shit tongue posture make you relapse.
But if you adopt good one it wont

The pb is almost all patient with bimax retrusion have sleep apnea so shit tongue posture, thats why they relapse

 

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Bro its nrml to relapse if u dont have correct tongue posture

After surgery bone remodelling can occur very easily even if you are an adult cuz bone get straight cut

So shit tongue posture make you relapse.
But if you adopt good one it wont

The pb is almost all patient with bimax retrusion have sleep apnea so shit tongue posture, thats why they relapse

So if we are healthy without apnea and have good posture we are save?

 

[Fear]

So would you get your surgery again if you knew it would relapse?

Without hesitation, yes. It improved my midface, my drooping nose, my breathing, my long chin.
It's just the complications that make it a harrowing journey. I wouldn't undertake it lightly.

Yet again proving you have to mew to keep the progress. My orthodontist literally tells me this all the time that you’ll relapse if you don’t adopt correct tongue posture.

Bro its nrml to relapse if u dont have correct tongue posture

There may be something to this although I don't think it's the answer in every case.
My tongue posture was never a factor and my orthodontist and surgeon checked and confirmed this.

 

[crosshold]

thats why im concerned about osteotomies like a chin wing. i feel like your bone will revert back to its genetic blueprint eventually

 

[WannaBeA6]

Fuck it all, seriously

What choice do we have? None, I have to run these risks, at least I'll make sure to have it with one of the best surgeons in the world
Crazy to think I'll have to go through this just because my bone didn't grow NORMALLY

 

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Fuck it all, seriously

What choice do we have? None, I have to run these risks, at least I'll make sure to have it with one of the best surgeons in the world
Crazy to think I'll have to go through this just because my bone didn't grow NORMALLY

Well you could be one of the 40% who dont relapse. But the other study says 100% relapse. Dk man

 

[WannaBeA6]

Well you could be one of the 40% who dont relapse. But the other study says 100% relapse. Dk man

How long does it take? If I'm an oldcel already then meh

 

[Deleted member 1106]

It depends on how they define "relapse", just because you had a relapse it doesn't mean you revert back exactly to the point you started with, it just means that the relapse could be about 1-2mm.

Small relapse occurs in almost every jaw surgery.

 

[dogeatsgrass]

That's why I am getting implants now instead of cutting and moving bones. I heard that if surgeon puts a screw on the implant, it won't cause troubles from movement.

 

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That's why I am getting implants now instead of cutting and moving bones. I heard that if surgeon puts a screw on the implant, it won't cause troubles from movement.

But Implantants look shit sometimes

 

[Deleted member 1338]

Hard to imagine bones will move after being screwed, I guess this confirms Mike mew theory if you don't keep tongue posture your Jaws and mid-face will keep recessing...

 

[Deleted member 3043]

Without hesitation, yes. It improved my midface, my drooping nose, my breathing, my long chin.
It's just the complications that make it a harrowing journey. I wouldn't undertake it lightly.





There may be something to this although I don't think it's the answer in every case.
My tongue posture was never a factor and my orthodontist and surgeon checked and confirmed this.

how come the nose get less droppy with jaw surgery ?

 

[Deleted member 1106]

how come the nose get less droppy with jaw surgery ?

your nose tip lies on your upper jaw, when you bring it forward and up you bring the nose tip up as well

 

[Deleted member 3043]

your nose tip lies on your upper jaw, when you bring it forward and up you bring the nose tip up as well

then can rubber band gives you a more droppy tip than you have?

 

[Deleted member 1106]

then can rubber band gives you a more droppy tip than you have?

in theory yes, I remember John Mew talking about this

 

[Deleted member 3043]

in theory yes, I remember John Mew talking about this

any way to get it back without doing an invasive surgery or paying lots of money ? I do have everything chad tier in my side profile, but only my maxila is not chad and coincidence it's linked with my rubber bands and braces and my nose becoming more droppy. Sadly.

 

[Deleted member 1106]

any way to get it back without doing an invasive surgery or paying lots of money ? I do have everything chad tier in my side profile, but only my maxila is not chad and coincidence it's linked with my rubber bands and braces and my nose becoming more droppy. Sadly.

probably fillers to the nose tip are the only thing

 

[Deleted member 3043]

probably fillers to the nose tip are the only thing

can it also reduce or give the illusion of a shorter alar base?

 

[PURE ARYAN GENETICS]

Yet again proving you have to mew to keep the progress. My orthodontist literally tells me this all the time that you’ll relapse if you don’t adopt correct tongue posture.

a non-retarded orthodontist?

 

[ThisLifeKillsMe]

It depends on the technique the surgeon uses

Bimax is more stable

Surgeons often overcorret because of this

It depends on the individual case

 

[reptiles]

"In their systematic review, Joss et al. (2010) found that 60 percent may experience relapse in the long-term and other studies put the figure at 100 percent."

That means every 2 is experiencing this. Insane.
Wth i didnt even know that this is possible. I think this is really important.

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It's over for those cels desperately in need of bi max

 

[Deleted member 3962]

Relapse doesnt mean you will lose every mm you gained.

 

[reptiles]

Relapse doesnt mean you will lose every mm you gained.

Fuck then it began for bimax cels

 

[Deleted member 10172]

Yes you need to fix tongue posture/ breathing and wear your rubber bands daily.

Dont know why you reacted with the laughing emoji tho

wym rubber bands

 

[randomvanish]

yes it can relapse but at what level ? not like totally going back to older position ffs.

 

[patricknotstar]

"In their systematic review, Joss et al. (2010) found that 60 percent may experience relapse in the long-term and other studies put the figure at 100 percent."

That means every 2 is experiencing this. Insane.
Wth i didnt even know that this is possible. I think this is really important.

Dental News - Orthognathic surgery: The definitive ...

More than any other specialty, general dentists refer their patients to specialists for orthodontic treatment. In Australia, the options given to these ...

us.dental-tribune.com

Relapse doesn’t mean u go back to where u started , it just means u don’t stay where u ended up but ur still better off than before u got it.

 

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wym rubber bands

You will wear a splint and most likely rubber bands on your braces, so your lower jaw gets pushed forward

 

[Cardiologyscribe]

Also;
Jędrzejewski et al.4 reviewed complications associated with orthognathic surgery, and reported that the rate of nerve injury was the highest at 50%, followed by TMD (14%), hemorrhage (9%), hearing problem (7%), infections (7%), and relapse (4%).

Complications associated with orthognathic surgery

And ppl cope that implants have a high infection rate at 1-2%

 

[Deleted member 10172]

Fuck then it began for bimax cels

You will wear a splint and most likely rubber bands on your braces, so your lower jaw gets pushed forward

would my bimax fully relapse or relapse by 5mm overtime

 

[Cardiologyscribe]

would my bimax fully relapse or relapse by 5mm overtime

No it will be 2mm

 

[Deleted member 10172]

No it will be 2mm

would bimax fix lip incompetence and mouth breathing?

 

[Cardiologyscribe]

would bimax fix lip incompetence and mouth breathing?

Yes.

 

[Deleted member 10172]

Yes.

Why the fuck is mouth breathing not considered a deformity or insurance viable

 

[RazerGlazer]

Also as far as I've researched make sure that your surgeon will do bone grafts for your empty spaces and make sure he also uses enough screws+ plates for a strong fixation.

 

[Babushkacatlady]

It doesn't matter that the bone is screwed and fixed into the new position, the bone will simply move through the screw towards its initial presurgical position so long as muscular pulls and improper oral posture act on it.