Jerusalem was Never Arabic - Palestine is not a Legitimate State

[Shahnameh]

It was never arabic, before 1948 it was owned by the British
Before 1918 it was owned by the Ottoman Turks
Before 1516 it was owned by the Mamluke Turks
Before that the Seljuks
Before that the Persian Abbasaid
Before this the Greek Byzantine

It was never Arabic, why do Arabs keep claiming its their native land when they come from the Gulf?

@shia.jihadist
@MaghrebGator

 

[MaghrebGator]

So which one is it? Is it not a legitimate state because it isn't an arabic state (According to you), or because it just never existed as a modern nation state?

To begin with, you forgot conveniently the Rashidun, the Ummayads, the fact that the Abbasids were an arabic caliphate whose first caliph was head of a branch of the Bani Hashim from the Quraysh which is the tribe of the Prophet, and that he was born closer to Palestine than to Makkah, the fact that all Palestinians speak arabic, identify as arabs on every single aspect of life, use arab calligraphy, literally speak an arabic that is closer to fusha than many modern day saudis and khaalejis

"Muh Palestine never existed" What do you mean then, as in the sense it was never mentioned or defined as that?

c. 900 BCE: Padiiset's Statue, inscription: "envoy – Canaan – Peleset."

c. 700 BCE: Azekah Inscription records the region as Pi-lis-ta-a-a.

c. 484-425 BCE: "These Phoenicians formerly dwelt, as they themselves say, by the Red Sea; they crossed from there and now inhabit the seacoast of Syria. This part of Syria as far as Egypt is all called Palestine" - Herodotus

c. 340 BCE: Aristotle, Meteorology, "Again if, as is fabled, there is a lake in Palestine, such that if you bind a man or beast and throw it in it floats and does not sink,

c. 30 BCE: Tibullus, Tibullus and Sulpicia: The Poems: "Why tell how the white dove sacred to the Syrians flies unharmed through the crowded cities of Palestine?"

c. 94: Josephus, Antiquities of the Jews: "...these Antiquities contain what hath been delivered down to us from the original creation of man, until the twelfth year of the reign of Nero, as to what hath befallen us Jews, as well is Egypt as in Syria, and in Palestine."

891: Ya'qubi, Book of Lands: "Of the Jund Filastin, the ancient capital was Lydda.

1355: Ibn Battuta, Rihla[194] Ibn Battuta wrote that Ramla was also known as Filastin

1377: Ibn Khaldun, Muqaddimah: "Filastin Province taxes – 310,000 dinars plus 300,000 ratls of olive oil"

Shakespeare: “I know a lady in Venice would have walked barefoot to Palestine for a touch of his nether lip.” Othello, Act 4, written by Shakespeare 1604.

Or do you mean it in the sense that it was never a modern nation state due to being part of empires, caliphates, etc? Then i have bad news for you because if we go by that logic then Italy then never existed until 1861, and we can say the same about more or less 85% of modern day countries.

Anyways, i know you don't give a damn about the answer, that you won't even read it and that you just make these kind of threads to provoke users (You lack any shred of social skills so you only know how to do it provokingly like a kid throwing a tantrum instead of doing it in a normal, decent and respectable manner) in a desperate try to garner and beg for interactions, all due to a very noticeable deeply rooted inferiority complex that makes people around you take your word and actions as worthless. So, while your dirty hands are still sticky due to you being so lazy that you can't even reach the bathroom to remove the dirty sperm from it, i will proceed to ignore you and not remove you ever from that list, and i will ask Allah to deal with you in a proper manner, at a time and place of His Choosing that befits the most severe of the punishments you are qualified to deserve.

 

[Deleted member 43881]

it doesn’t matter who was there first but

the jews were in israel first, the people before the jews were the canaanites who weren’t arab and they are all dead

 

[Deleted member 43881]

So which one is it? Is it not a legitimate state because it isn't an arabic state (According to you), or because it just never existed as a modern nation state?

To begin with, you forgot conveniently the Rashidun, the Ummayads, the fact that the Abbasids were an arabic caliphate whose first caliph was head of a branch of the Bani Hashim from the Quraysh which is the tribe of the Prophet, and that he was born closer to Palestine than to Makkah, the fact that all Palestinians speak arabic, identify as arabs on every single aspect of life, use arab calligraphy, literally speak an arabic that is closer to fusha than many modern day saudis and khaalejis

"Muh Palestine never existed" What do you mean then, as in the sense it was never mentioned or defined as that?

c. 900 BCE: Padiiset's Statue, inscription: "envoy – Canaan – Peleset."

c. 700 BCE: Azekah Inscription records the region as Pi-lis-ta-a-a.

c. 484-425 BCE: "These Phoenicians formerly dwelt, as they themselves say, by the Red Sea; they crossed from there and now inhabit the seacoast of Syria. This part of Syria as far as Egypt is all called Palestine" - Herodotus

c. 340 BCE: Aristotle, Meteorology, "Again if, as is fabled, there is a lake in Palestine, such that if you bind a man or beast and throw it in it floats and does not sink,

c. 30 BCE: Tibullus, Tibullus and Sulpicia: The Poems: "Why tell how the white dove sacred to the Syrians flies unharmed through the crowded cities of Palestine?"

c. 94: Josephus, Antiquities of the Jews: "...these Antiquities contain what hath been delivered down to us from the original creation of man, until the twelfth year of the reign of Nero, as to what hath befallen us Jews, as well is Egypt as in Syria, and in Palestine."

891: Ya'qubi, Book of Lands: "Of the Jund Filastin, the ancient capital was Lydda.

1355: Ibn Battuta, Rihla[194] Ibn Battuta wrote that Ramla was also known as Filastin

1377: Ibn Khaldun, Muqaddimah: "Filastin Province taxes – 310,000 dinars plus 300,000 ratls of olive oil"

Shakespeare: “I know a lady in Venice would have walked barefoot to Palestine for a touch of his nether lip.” Othello, Act 4, written by Shakespeare 1604.

Or do you mean it in the sense that it was never a modern nation state due to being part of empires, caliphates, etc? Then i have bad news for you because if we go by that logic then Italy then never existed until 1861, and we can say the same about more or less 85% of modern day countries.

Anyways, i know you don't give a damn about the answer, that you won't even read it and that you just make these kind of threads to provoke users (You lack any shred of social skills so you only know how to do it provokingly like a kid throwing a tantrum instead of doing it in a normal, decent and respectable manner) in a desperate try to garner and beg for interactions, all due to a very noticeable deeply rooted inferiority complex that makes people around you take your word and actions as worthless. So, while your dirty hands are still sticky due to you being so lazy that you can't even reach the bathroom to remove the dirty sperm from it, i will proceed to ignore you and not remove you ever from that list, and i will ask Allah to deal with you in a proper manner, at a time and place of His Choosing that befits the most severe of the punishments you are qualified to deserve.

the word palestine isn’t arabic in origin it only refers to the region but arabs adopted the word to refer to their ideal arab nation

 

[yeeyeeslayer]

Palestinians aren't Arab but they still belong to that land, modern day Palestinians have nothing in common with gulf people genetically

 

[yeeyeeslayer]

It was never Arabic, why do Arabs keep claiming its their native land when they come from the Gulf?

we use the word arabic to colloquially refer to arabic speaking / arabophone regions/populations in the Middle East and North Africa even tho they aren't genetically originally Arab.

that's the example in the case of Palestine and Palestinians, they aren't Arab genetically but they still belong to that land

 

[chadhamed]

Fuck off bignoselover

 

[xloks]

So which one is it? Is it not a legitimate state because it isn't an arabic state (According to you), or because it just never existed as a modern nation state?

To begin with, you forgot conveniently the Rashidun, the Ummayads, the fact that the Abbasids were an arabic caliphate whose first caliph was head of a branch of the Bani Hashim from the Quraysh which is the tribe of the Prophet, and that he was born closer to Palestine than to Makkah, the fact that all Palestinians speak arabic, identify as arabs on every single aspect of life, use arab calligraphy, literally speak an arabic that is closer to fusha than many modern day saudis and khaalejis

"Muh Palestine never existed" What do you mean then, as in the sense it was never mentioned or defined as that?

c. 900 BCE: Padiiset's Statue, inscription: "envoy – Canaan – Peleset."

c. 700 BCE: Azekah Inscription records the region as Pi-lis-ta-a-a.

c. 484-425 BCE: "These Phoenicians formerly dwelt, as they themselves say, by the Red Sea; they crossed from there and now inhabit the seacoast of Syria. This part of Syria as far as Egypt is all called Palestine" - Herodotus

c. 340 BCE: Aristotle, Meteorology, "Again if, as is fabled, there is a lake in Palestine, such that if you bind a man or beast and throw it in it floats and does not sink,

c. 30 BCE: Tibullus, Tibullus and Sulpicia: The Poems: "Why tell how the white dove sacred to the Syrians flies unharmed through the crowded cities of Palestine?"

c. 94: Josephus, Antiquities of the Jews: "...these Antiquities contain what hath been delivered down to us from the original creation of man, until the twelfth year of the reign of Nero, as to what hath befallen us Jews, as well is Egypt as in Syria, and in Palestine."

891: Ya'qubi, Book of Lands: "Of the Jund Filastin, the ancient capital was Lydda.

1355: Ibn Battuta, Rihla[194] Ibn Battuta wrote that Ramla was also known as Filastin

1377: Ibn Khaldun, Muqaddimah: "Filastin Province taxes – 310,000 dinars plus 300,000 ratls of olive oil"

Shakespeare: “I know a lady in Venice would have walked barefoot to Palestine for a touch of his nether lip.” Othello, Act 4, written by Shakespeare 1604.

Or do you mean it in the sense that it was never a modern nation state due to being part of empires, caliphates, etc? Then i have bad news for you because if we go by that logic then Italy then never existed until 1861, and we can say the same about more or less 85% of modern day countries.

Anyways, i know you don't give a damn about the answer, that you won't even read it and that you just make these kind of threads to provoke users (You lack any shred of social skills so you only know how to do it provokingly like a kid throwing a tantrum instead of doing it in a normal, decent and respectable manner) in a desperate try to garner and beg for interactions, all due to a very noticeable deeply rooted inferiority complex that makes people around you take your word and actions as worthless. So, while your dirty hands are still sticky due to you being so lazy that you can't even reach the bathroom to remove the dirty sperm from it, i will proceed to ignore you and not remove you ever from that list, and i will ask Allah to deal with you in a proper manner, at a time and place of His Choosing that befits the most severe of the punishments you are qualified to deserve.

 

[MaghrebGator]

the word palestine isn’t arabic in origin it only refers to the region but arabs adopted the word

So what? Happens with a lot of other countries that their modern state name is derived from a different languages like almost all of Latin America, lots of african states, european ones, etc

You've got even extremely remote cases of name of the country and language of origin, like he name Indonesia which derives from the Greek words Indos (Ἰνδός) and nesos (νῆσος), meaning "Indian islands".

to refer to their ideal arab nation

The "ideal nation" for that region was established during the Rashidun and it was called at that time As Sham, and Jund Filastin was a district part of it, before the appearance and prevalence of modern nation states. They didn’t have or ever addressed any concept of "arab ideal nation". You pretty much just read that on some propaganda pamphlet on social media.

The concept of what is and what is not an ideal arab nation is a differing one that is still undergoing due to arab nationalism being a modern concept.

 

[widdi]

So which one is it? Is it not a legitimate state because it isn't an arabic state (According to you), or because it just never existed as a modern nation state?

To begin with, you forgot conveniently the Rashidun, the Ummayads, the fact that the Abbasids were an arabic caliphate whose first caliph was head of a branch of the Bani Hashim from the Quraysh which is the tribe of the Prophet, and that he was born closer to Palestine than to Makkah, the fact that all Palestinians speak arabic, identify as arabs on every single aspect of life, use arab calligraphy, literally speak an arabic that is closer to fusha than many modern day saudis and khaalejis

"Muh Palestine never existed" What do you mean then, as in the sense it was never mentioned or defined as that?

c. 900 BCE: Padiiset's Statue, inscription: "envoy – Canaan – Peleset."

c. 700 BCE: Azekah Inscription records the region as Pi-lis-ta-a-a.

c. 484-425 BCE: "These Phoenicians formerly dwelt, as they themselves say, by the Red Sea; they crossed from there and now inhabit the seacoast of Syria. This part of Syria as far as Egypt is all called Palestine" - Herodotus

c. 340 BCE: Aristotle, Meteorology, "Again if, as is fabled, there is a lake in Palestine, such that if you bind a man or beast and throw it in it floats and does not sink,

c. 30 BCE: Tibullus, Tibullus and Sulpicia: The Poems: "Why tell how the white dove sacred to the Syrians flies unharmed through the crowded cities of Palestine?"

c. 94: Josephus, Antiquities of the Jews: "...these Antiquities contain what hath been delivered down to us from the original creation of man, until the twelfth year of the reign of Nero, as to what hath befallen us Jews, as well is Egypt as in Syria, and in Palestine."

891: Ya'qubi, Book of Lands: "Of the Jund Filastin, the ancient capital was Lydda.

1355: Ibn Battuta, Rihla[194] Ibn Battuta wrote that Ramla was also known as Filastin

1377: Ibn Khaldun, Muqaddimah: "Filastin Province taxes – 310,000 dinars plus 300,000 ratls of olive oil"

Shakespeare: “I know a lady in Venice would have walked barefoot to Palestine for a touch of his nether lip.” Othello, Act 4, written by Shakespeare 1604.

Or do you mean it in the sense that it was never a modern nation state due to being part of empires, caliphates, etc? Then i have bad news for you because if we go by that logic then Italy then never existed until 1861, and we can say the same about more or less 85% of modern day countries.

Anyways, i know you don't give a damn about the answer, that you won't even read it and that you just make these kind of threads to provoke users (You lack any shred of social skills so you only know how to do it provokingly like a kid throwing a tantrum instead of doing it in a normal, decent and respectable manner) in a desperate try to garner and beg for interactions, all due to a very noticeable deeply rooted inferiority complex that makes people around you take your word and actions as worthless. So, while your dirty hands are still sticky due to you being so lazy that you can't even reach the bathroom to remove the dirty sperm from it, i will proceed to ignore you and not remove you ever from that list, and i will ask Allah to deal with you in a proper manner, at a time and place of His Choosing that befits the most severe of the punishments you are qualified to deserve.

 

[Deleted member 43881]

So what? Happens with a lot of other countries that their modern state name is derived from a different languages like almost all of Latin America, lots of african states, european ones, etc

You've got even extremely remote cases of name of the country and language of origin, like he name Indonesia which derives from the Greek words Indos (Ἰνδός) and nesos (νῆσος), meaning "Indian islands".

The ideal "nation" for that region was established during the Rashidun and it was As Sham, and Jund Filastin was a district part of it

The concept of what is and what is not an ideal arab nation is a differing one that is still undergoing due to arab nationalism being a modern concept.

jfl too bad for arabs that arabs are too retarded to do anything of value

 

[Alexanderr]

This entire Palestine-Israel debate requires so much backstory as to how we arrived at the situation we're in today. It's like One Piece, gotta catch up on 20 seasons or some shit to see how we ended up here, ion got time for that ngl

 

[yeeyeeslayer]

This entire Palestine-Israel debate requires so much backstory as to how we arrived at the situation we're in today. It's like One Piece, gotta catch up on 20 seasons or some shit to see how we ended up here, ion got time for that ngl

thoughts on One piece now that u mention it

 

[Alexanderr]

thoughts on One piece now that u menditioned

I've never watched it, but it looks really cool, and has a big active fanbase even decades later so I'm guessing it's got its moments, but I'm super discouraged by just how many episodes I'd have to catch up on, even if I skipped all filler
I'm not a 13yo kid with no job who'd be comfortable binging all day for a week or two, I'd feel like I'd be wasting my time

 

[VolcelFTW]

If you don’t live there or aren’t Jewish/palestine who gives a fuck

 

[Thebuffdon]

So which one is it? Is it not a legitimate state because it isn't an arabic state (According to you), or because it just never existed as a modern nation state?

To begin with, you forgot conveniently the Rashidun, the Ummayads, the fact that the Abbasids were an arabic caliphate whose first caliph was head of a branch of the Bani Hashim from the Quraysh which is the tribe of the Prophet, and that he was born closer to Palestine than to Makkah, the fact that all Palestinians speak arabic, identify as arabs on every single aspect of life, use arab calligraphy, literally speak an arabic that is closer to fusha than many modern day saudis and khaalejis

"Muh Palestine never existed" What do you mean then, as in the sense it was never mentioned or defined as that?

c. 900 BCE: Padiiset's Statue, inscription: "envoy – Canaan – Peleset."

c. 700 BCE: Azekah Inscription records the region as Pi-lis-ta-a-a.

c. 484-425 BCE: "These Phoenicians formerly dwelt, as they themselves say, by the Red Sea; they crossed from there and now inhabit the seacoast of Syria. This part of Syria as far as Egypt is all called Palestine" - Herodotus

c. 340 BCE: Aristotle, Meteorology, "Again if, as is fabled, there is a lake in Palestine, such that if you bind a man or beast and throw it in it floats and does not sink,

c. 30 BCE: Tibullus, Tibullus and Sulpicia: The Poems: "Why tell how the white dove sacred to the Syrians flies unharmed through the crowded cities of Palestine?"

c. 94: Josephus, Antiquities of the Jews: "...these Antiquities contain what hath been delivered down to us from the original creation of man, until the twelfth year of the reign of Nero, as to what hath befallen us Jews, as well is Egypt as in Syria, and in Palestine."

891: Ya'qubi, Book of Lands: "Of the Jund Filastin, the ancient capital was Lydda.

1355: Ibn Battuta, Rihla[194] Ibn Battuta wrote that Ramla was also known as Filastin

1377: Ibn Khaldun, Muqaddimah: "Filastin Province taxes – 310,000 dinars plus 300,000 ratls of olive oil"

Shakespeare: “I know a lady in Venice would have walked barefoot to Palestine for a touch of his nether lip.” Othello, Act 4, written by Shakespeare 1604.

Or do you mean it in the sense that it was never a modern nation state due to being part of empires, caliphates, etc? Then i have bad news for you because if we go by that logic then Italy then never existed until 1861, and we can say the same about more or less 85% of modern day countries.

Anyways, i know you don't give a damn about the answer, that you won't even read it and that you just make these kind of threads to provoke users (You lack any shred of social skills so you only know how to do it provokingly like a kid throwing a tantrum instead of doing it in a normal, decent and respectable manner) in a desperate try to garner and beg for interactions, all due to a very noticeable deeply rooted inferiority complex that makes people around you take your word and actions as worthless. So, while your dirty hands are still sticky due to you being so lazy that you can't even reach the bathroom to remove the dirty sperm from it, i will proceed to ignore you and not remove you ever from that list, and i will ask Allah to deal with you in a proper manner, at a time and place of His Choosing that befits the most severe of the punishments you are qualified to deserve.

The day allah actually answers one of your prayers let me know and I’ll convert

 

[Shahnameh]

Rashidun, the Ummayads

U mean where arabs invaded, genocided the natives and colonised the area and even then it was only for a couple of hundred years?

 

[yeeyeeslayer]

U mean where arabs invaded, genocided the natives and colonised the area and even then it was only for a couple of hundred years?

This whole ‘Islam invaded the Middle East’ should is irreverent here, because Palestinians have very low/negligible genetic influence from the Arabian peninsula

The same modern Palestinian population existed there before Arabs or Islam ever invaded and they were Christians, but over time they gradually became islamized cuz of 1000+ years of Muslim rule

 

[Shahnameh]

This whole ‘Islam invaded the Middle East’ should is irreverent here, because Palestinians have very low/negligible influence from the Arabian peninsula

The same modern Palestinian population existed there before Arabs or Islam ever invaded and they were Christians, but over time they gradually became islamized cuz of 1000+ years of Muslim rule

Which means Arabs have even less of a claim to Jerusalem, berbers and phonecians were never arab

Islam has wiped out so many cultures

In Iran we have lost Zoroastrianism

 

[yeeyeeslayer]

Which means Arabs have even less of a claim to Jerusalem,

Yeah they don’t, but that’s irrelevant cuz Palestinians aren’t Arab anyways.

And They have a right to live on that land and have a state without being driven out like Israelis r trying to do that’s all I’m saying

berbers and phonecians were never arab

Yup that’s correct

 

[Shahnameh]

And They have a right to live on that land and have a state without being driven out like Israelis r trying to do that’s all I’m saying

What right? It's not their land

They aren't caananites or israelites

Even their flag was created by a British man

Palestine is a Roman term

 

[yeeyeeslayer]

What right? It's not their land

They aren't caananites or israelites

theyre descendants of canaanites

Even their flag was created by a British man

now Ik ur trolling lol

Palestine is a Roman term

no it was used before then, that term was used by the greeks

 

[Shahnameh]

now Ik ur trolling lol

Flag of the Arab Revolt - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

It was designed by Mark Sykes,

It has been suggested that the flag was designed by the British diplomat Sir Mark Sykes, in an effort to create a feeling of "Arab-ness" to fuel the revolt.[5] According to Stanford University historian Joshua Teitelbaum, this claim is made both by Sykes' 1923 biographer and by Hussein ibn Ali al-Hashimi, who in 1918 told Woodrow Wilson that it symbolized Hashemite rule over the Arab world.[

 

[yeeyeeslayer]

Flag of the Arab Revolt - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

what does it matter if that population originates there, the flag doesn't define ur people

 

[Shahnameh]

what does it matter if that population originates there, the flag doesn't define ur people

U claimed i was trolling earlier and i have proven u wrong, palestine and palestinians do not belong to that land

They have no real claim to it unlike the Israelis whom have been there for thousands of years

 

[yeeyeeslayer]

U claimed i was trolling earlier and i have proven u wrong, palestine and palestinians do not belong to that land

where did you prove it

 

[yeeyeeslayer]

U claimed i was trolling earlier and i have proven u wrong,

I didn't say you were trolling because I thought was you said about the flag was not true I said you were trolling because I thought surely you know who made the flag was irrelevant

 

[Deleted member 19442]

This whole ‘Islam invaded the Middle East’ should is irreverent here, because Palestinians have very low/negligible genetic influence from the Arabian peninsula

The same modern Palestinian population existed there before Arabs or Islam ever invaded and they were Christians, but over time they gradually became islamized cuz of 1000+ years of Muslim rule

Exactly, it's a clear cut case of ethnic cleansing and genocide. Displacing the native population, forcing them into ghettos and massacring them. Muh promised land to russian and arab jews

 

[Anon_Humor]

It was never arabic, before 1948 it was owned by the British
Before 1918 it was owned by the Ottoman Turks
Before 1516 it was owned by the Mamluke Turks
Before that the Seljuks
Before that the Persian Abbasaid
Before this the Greek Byzantine

It was never Arabic, why do Arabs keep claiming its their native land when they come from the Gulf?

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@shia.jihadist
@MaghrebGator

Arabs lived in that land for over 2000 years after Jews left during many empires and rules including the Ottoman Empire but still even then they’re still muslim