JOHN MEW TELLS ANOTHER EXTREMELY DEFORMED PERSON TO JUST MEW

[spark]

No wonder they removed his license:

 

[Asetric]

correct tongue posture makes me cringe

 

[Deleted member 6273]

This is OP btw

 

[reptiles]

No wonder they removed his license:

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He needs lower jaw surgery upper jaw is fine ngl

 

[spark]

This is OP btw

It's this guy

https://www.facebook.com/groups/921637407912610/user/100001556542624/

 

[reptiles]

This is OP btw

You mirin the jaw recession ?

 

[ifyouwannabemylover]

He needs lower jaw surgery upper jaw is fine ngl

he needs lefort 4

 

[Deleted member 4430]

 

[Deleted member 2214]

This is OP btw

"Arvid unfrauded"

 

[Babushkacatlady]

No wonder they removed his license:

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They removed his license over a patient confidentiality and treatment payment collections problem. You also have failed to read the comment, he says depending on the age either surgery or mewing can help and I or any reasonable person who understands bone growth and biology mechanisms would say the same. This person looks under the age of 16 but I could be wrong.

 

[spark]

They removed his license over a patient confidentiality and treatment payment collections problem. You also have failed to read the comment, he says depending on the age either surgery or mewing can help and I or any reasonable person who understands bone growth and biology mechanisms would say the same. This person looks under the age of 16 but I could be wrong.

He is a con artist

 

[Deleted member 6273]

They removed his license over a patient confidentiality and treatment payment collections problem. You also have failed to read the comment, he says depending on the age either surgery or mewing can help and I or any reasonable person who understands bone growth and biology mechanisms would say the same. This person looks under the age of 16 but I could be wrong.

He's 21 look at the top of the image he literally says it there

 

[Deleted member 12669]

"Arvid unfrauded"

@ArvidGustavsson thoughts?

 

[AscendingHero]

He needs lower jaw surgery upper jaw is fine ngl

what type of lower jaw surgery?

 

[Babushkacatlady]

He is a con artist
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Sure you can grow the alveolar ridge forward a little more than 1mm a year at that age. What are you getting at? I think you might have some kind of vendetta against John Mew so I don't think this conversation is gonna get anywhere.

He's 21 look at the top of the image he literally says it there

Ah I didn't see that. Surgery is probably a better and faster option at that age.

 

[reptiles]

what type of lower jaw surgery?

20 MM OF Lower jaw surgery

 

[AscendingHero]

He needs lower jaw surgery upper jaw is fine ngl

20 MM OF Lower jaw surgery

But what specific type of lower jaw surgery? What procedure?

 

[spark]

Sure you can grow the alveolar ridge forward a little more than 1mm a year at that age. What are you getting at? I think you might have some kind of vendetta against John Mew so I don't think this conversation is gonna get anywhere.


Ah I didn't see that. Surgery is probably a better and faster option at that age.

You can't grow the mandible in adulthood. In fact Mike Mew failed to do it in childhood in this case:

 

[spark]

But what specific type of lower jaw surgery? What procedure?

He likely needs all IMDO BSSO GENIO at the same time.

 

[AscendingHero]

He likely needs all IMDO BSSO GENIO at the same time.

why not just IMDO, why BSSO and IMDO?

 

[spark]

why not just IMDO, why BSSO and IMDO?

Lol maybe IMDO + genio is enough. The thing is that IMDO is not stable when it's over 15mm Coceancig won't go that far. I think no surgeon does BSSO over 12mm. So depending on your recession you might need both if you are trying to cover more distance.

 

[Babushkacatlady]

You can't grow the mandible in adulthood. In fact Mike Mew failed to do it in childhood in this case:
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You can't grow the mandible length beyond genetic potential without HGH, all you can do is move it (via TMJ remodeling and cranial base change) and harness growth rotation potential. Nor can you grow the alveolar ridge of the mandible once it is retruded, the anterior alveolar surface of the mandible is resorptive. This case is a failed case, likely due to a combination of poor compliance and the alveolar ridge point mentioned earlier.

 

[spark]

You can't grow the mandible length beyond genetic potential without HGH, all you can do is move it (via TMJ remodeling and cranial base change) and harness growth rotation potential. Nor can you grow the alveolar ridge of the mandible once it is retruded, the anterior alveolar surface is resorptive. This case is a failed case, likely due to a combination of poor compliance and the alveolar ridge point mentioned earlier.

Yet Mike presented it as a huge success and made a whole video about it with inspirational music.

 

[Babushkacatlady]

Yet Mike presented it as a huge success and made a whole video about it with inspirational music.

Then Mike is an idiot.

 

[spark]

Then Mike is an idiot.

I don't hate them don't get me wrong. Mike is a bit better than John as he seems to respect Won Moon and doesn't badmouth surgery as much as his senile father. John on the other hand even shits on MSE and virtually anything which isn't bioboloc.

 

[Babushkacatlady]

I don't hate them don't get me wrong. Mike is a bit better than John as he seems to respect Won Moon and doesn't badmouth surgery as much as his senile father. John on the other hand even shits on MSE and virtually anything which isn't bioboloc.

That's because MSE uses far more force and can cause sutural trauma and fibrous scar tissue buildup in the suture site. It's why MSE+FM results are underwhelming too. MSE should be reserved for functional airway concerns as well as widening the palate when all else fails. Biobloc uses a different rate of expansion (1mm a week) and the acrylic covers both the tooth and palatal vault area which allows for the suture to be stretched rather than split. The rate of expansion allows for the circummaxillary sutures to also soften rather than hard split and this produces a 2-3mm movement forward of the maxilla without headgear due to the zygomatic buttress forcing the maxilla to move forward to release the tension. Any faster or slower would not cause the same amount of movement. Slower would just remodel the alveolar bone of the palate and faster would cause the zygomatic buttresses to bend along with the palate to accommodate the expansion force and pressure.

MSE is still a great device and has a lot of potential, but there are definitely drawbacks.

 

[SOS-Sonic]

Nor can you grow the alveolar ridge of the mandible once it is retruded, the anterior alveolar surface of the mandible is resorptive.

I am not an expert at this, but I thought the alveolar ridge of the mandible will slowly catch up to the alveolar ridge of the maxilla if one starts mewing under 25. Are you saying that the mandibular length does not really change?

 

[AutisticBeaner]

idk what's wrong about what he said

 

[MarstonAlloy]

I would delude myself with mewing too tbh its cope or rope for that guy

 

[AutisticBeaner]

You can't grow the mandible length beyond genetic potential without HGH, all you can do is move it (via TMJ remodeling and cranial base change) and harness growth rotation potential. Nor can you grow the alveolar ridge of the mandible once it is retruded, the anterior alveolar surface of the mandible is resorptive. This case is a failed case, likely due to a combination of poor compliance and the alveolar ridge point mentioned earlier.

that genetic potential is far away from where most people are though

 

[pizza]

correct tongue posture makes me cringe

better than walk with droped tongue like a retard

 

[pizza]

I would delude myself with mewing too tbh its cope or rope for that guy

the guy easily ascend with surgery

 

[spark]

I am not an expert at this, but I thought the alveolar ridge of the mandible will slowly catch up to the alveolar ridge of the maxilla if one starts mewing under 25. Are you saying that the mandibular length does not really change?

This is what Coceancig says:

 

[Baldingman1998]

You can't grow the mandible length beyond genetic potential without HGH, all you can do is move it (via TMJ remodeling and cranial base change) and harness growth rotation potential. Nor can you grow the alveolar ridge of the mandible once it is retruded, the anterior alveolar surface of the mandible is resorptive. This case is a failed case, likely due to a combination of poor compliance and the alveolar ridge point mentioned earlier.

This is complete bullshit. Someone shared a video a few months ago where a woman had the same recession as the image above but got mogger mandible growth with an indian doctor ina month m I forgot the procedure name but it's fairly new and not jaw surgery

 

[spark]

This is complete bullshit. Someone shared a video a few months ago where a woman had the same recession as the image above but got mogger mandible growth with an indian doctor ina month m I forgot the procedure name but it's fairly new and not jaw surgery

That was via distractor if I remember correctly. Something similar to what Coceancig does with his IMDO. That is a surgery, in fact two. One is the installation, then you turn to distract and then another surgery to remove it.

 

[FastBananaCEO]

Imagine if someone was about to jump off a bridge and Mike Mew just comes along and tells them to mew instead

 

[Baldingman1998]

That was via distractor if I remember correctly. Something similar to what Coceancig does with his IMDO. That is a surgery, in fact two. One is the installation, then you turn to distract and then another surgery to remove it.

Yes but it's not a regular jaw surgery he had some metal devices on her jaw for a month

 

[Babushkacatlady]

This is what Coceancig says:
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Conceancig is referring to a study that talks about bite splints used for TMJ articular disk recapture and their success rate (which depends on compliance and how long you wear it out of the day) . That has almost nothing to do with this. There are cases of TMJ and condylar resorption and other genetic cases where the mandibular length is not normal and in fact several mm short of normal.

Unless you are diagnosed with something like that your mandible length (from condylon to gnathion) is normal, it is the shape and position of your mandble that has changed causing it to look as it does.

I am not an expert at this, but I thought the alveolar ridge of the mandible will slowly catch up to the alveolar ridge of the maxilla if one starts mewing under 25. Are you saying that the mandibular length does not really change?

The mandible alveolar ridge cannot be developed in the front reliably, only teeth can be tilted. Most mandibular dental space comes from the ramus moving back and uprighting during growth.

Mandible length is more or less set genetically unless you have a condition, it is merely the shape and position that change

Mandible length defined craniofacially is shown here:

 

[pizza]

This is complete bullshit. Someone shared a video a few months ago where a woman had the same recession as the image above but got mogger mandible growth with an indian doctor ina month m I forgot the procedure name but it's fairly new and not jaw surgery

i remember too,send me if you find

 

[spark]

Yes but it's not a regular jaw surgery he had some metal devices on her jaw for a month

Yeah that is what Coceancig does these distractors have to be surgically installed and then surgically removed so it's two surgeries.

 

[Baldingman1998]

i remember too,send me if you find

I tried but didn't find it tbh

 

[spark]

Mandible length is more or less set genetically unless you have a condition, it is merely the shape and position that change

Mandible length defined craniofacially is shown here:
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What do you mean by condition? Isn't malocclusion a condition?

 

[Babushkacatlady]

What do you mean by condition? Isn't malocclusion a condition?

A condition like micrognathia or condylar resorption.

 

[pizza]

I tried but didn't find it tbh

 

[spark]

A condition like micrognathia or condylar resorption.

Don't all class IIs have a mandibular hypoplasia? Google said it can develop later on after birth...

 

[spark]

As I said that's two surgeries not 0.

 

[Babushkacatlady]

Don't all class IIs have a mandibular hypoplasia? Google said it can develop later on after birth...

Most class 2s seem to have retrognathism of the mandible rather than true hypoplasia of the mandible.

 

[pizza]

As I said that's two surgeries not 0.

elab,this foid have a giga masc jaw now

 

[spark]

Most class 2s seem to have retrognathism of the mandible rather than true hypoplasia of the mandible.

Interesting. Cases of retrognathism also seem to have a smaller mandible though.

 

[spark]

elab,this foid have a giga masc jaw now

I already said it like 3 times holy shit. These distractors have to be installed. THAT requires a surgery. Then eventually they have to be removed. ANOTHER surgery. Get it?