just got surgery done, ama

[justanothergymcell]

Did you even consult with anyone else?

 

[ZUZZCEL]

Did you even consult with anyone else?

you mean other surgeons? no not really.

 

[justanothergymcell]

you mean other surgeons? no not really.

Lol good luck I guess.

 

[Salludon]

Congrats OP. I hope you get the results you desire. I need cheek implants as well, that is the only thing i’m lacking.

 

[HailToTheKing]

congratu fucking lations bro, you got the most useless surgery in the world.

 

[SurgerySoon]

Congrats on getting the surgery. Are you saying that Yaremchuk is too conservative based on my surgery results? LOL.

BTW, to his credit, Dr. Y did tell me that I had relatively thick tissues and that the results of bone structure-altering procedures (e.g., implants) probably wouldn't be as noticeable in my face as they'd be on someone with thinner tissues.

Also, keep in mind that Dr. Y actually gave me more augmentation overall (close to 6 mm's on the right side, I believe) than Saiyan, whose implants gave him 4 mm of augmentation on each side. It just goes to show you how much of a difference soft tissue characteristics make.

Still, part of me wants to get in touch with Eppley and ask him if he'd consider doing a revision with bigger, more noticeable implants, and if he thinks I'd benefit aesthetically...

 

[Deleted member 1862]

you mean other surgeons? no not really.

lmao

that patient was probably the type of ones that refused to listen to surgeons advice about adjusting implants prior to surgery, he also didnt do proper research in regards to what surgeries he really needed.

He was screwed from the start due to the long midface imo, he should have just gotten that kpop triangular chin and a lip lift.

if you have a long midface, implants are a really bad idea. It wasnt eppleys fault in regards to that procedure

Not even gonna explain why the first comment is retarded. You're right that it wasn't necessarily eppley's fault though.

The patient seems to have asked for an implant when his chin height was already okay. This made his mandible/chin way too long. What this dude needs is jaw surgery. His skin around the jaw area is not taut because he lacks anterior projection. After that, he'd probably require some soft tissue procedures to lean out his face, & to lose weight. THEN he could consider modest jaw angle augmentation if he wanted a really angular look.

Tldr: Too much chin height now. If he'd had a shorter chin/ mandible to begin with this result would've looked okay FROM THE FRONT. He needs ortho, implants are cope for this dude.

 

[Saiyan]

Congrats on getting the surgery. Are you saying that Yaremchuk is too conservative based on my surgery results? LOL.

BTW, to his credit, Dr. Y did tell me that I had relatively thick tissues and that the results of bone structure-altering procedures (e.g., implants) probably wouldn't be as noticeable in my face as they'd be on someone with thinner tissues.

Also, keep in mind that Dr. Y actually gave me more augmentation overall (close to 6 mm's on the right side, I believe) than Saiyan, whose implants gave him 4 mm of augmentation on each side. It just goes to show you how much of a difference soft tissue characteristics make.

Still, part of me wants to get in touch with Eppley and ask him if he'd consider doing a revision with bigger, more noticeable implants, and if he thinks I'd benefit aesthetically...

My implants were “maximum 3mm”, in reality probably 2mm. You just won’t ever look good with implants if you have even slightly thicker tissues.

 

[SurgerySoon]

My implants were “maximum 3mm”, in reality probably 2mm. You just won’t ever look good with implants if you have even slightly thicker tissues.

@Saiyan Yeah, it sucks. Although I wouldn't say that I "won't ever look good with the implants" since my results still conferred a definite overall improvement to my looks (IMO) by giving me some much-needed midface projection, especially considering how flat my midface was prior to the surgery. I also have a pretty nice ogee curve now, and the definition from the implants actually is somewhat noticeable after I have lost water weight from running outside in a humid climate. However, you're right that it will never look as good as your result.

BTW, didn't you say you were getting modeling jobs now? @Saiyan

 

[Deleted member 2527]

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My implants were “maximum 3mm”, in reality probably 2mm. You just won’t ever look good with implants if you have even slightly thicker tissues.

in after @Saiyan

could you post some frontal pics showing the zygos from that angle without frauding?

It was hard to see the results in most of the pics you already posted as they only showed one side or were taken from an angle.

blank out your eyes if you want to keep some anonymity


Also do you know Eppley is aware that you have massively increased the popularity of this implants among the looksmax community?

Im having the same one done in about 5 weeks time with a paranasal/premaxillary component.

 

[SurgerySoon]

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in after @Saiyan

could you post some frontal pics showing the zygos from that angle without frauding?

It was hard to see the results in most of the pics you already posted as they only showed one side or were taken from an angle.

blank out your eyes if you want to keep some anonymity


Also do you know Eppley is aware that you have massively increased the popularity of this implants among the looksmax community?

Im having the same one done in about 5 weeks time with a paranasal/premaxillary component.

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@facemaxxed Damn, I wish it had occurred to me to ask my surgeon about getting a paranasal/premaxillary component to my implants. I could've basically frauded having an LF3-like result. Looks like I fucked up all around.

 

[crosshold]

Congrats on getting the surgery. Are you saying that Yaremchuk is too conservative based on my surgery results? LOL.

BTW, to his credit, Dr. Y did tell me that I had relatively thick tissues and that the results of bone structure-altering procedures (e.g., implants) probably wouldn't be as noticeable in my face as they'd be on someone with thinner tissues.

Also, keep in mind that Dr. Y actually gave me more augmentation overall (close to 6 mm's on the right side, I believe) than Saiyan, whose implants gave him 4 mm of augmentation on each side. It just goes to show you how much of a difference soft tissue characteristics make.

Still, part of me wants to get in touch with Eppley and ask him if he'd consider doing a revision with bigger, more noticeable implants, and if he thinks I'd benefit aesthetically...

did you use medpor or silicone?

@Saiyan
you too

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in after @Saiyan

could you post some frontal pics showing the zygos from that angle without frauding?

It was hard to see the results in most of the pics you already posted as they only showed one side or were taken from an angle.

blank out your eyes if you want to keep some anonymity


Also do you know Eppley is aware that you have massively increased the popularity of this implants among the looksmax community?

Im having the same one done in about 5 weeks time with a paranasal/premaxillary component.

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can you pm me cost?

 

[SurgerySoon]

@crosshold Silicone, but I was given the option of Medpor or silicone.

 

[justanothergymcell]

@Saiyan Yeah, it sucks. Although I wouldn't say that I "won't ever look good with the implants" since my results still conferred a definite overall improvement to my looks (IMO) by giving me some much-needed midface projection, especially considering how flat my midface was prior to the surgery. I also have a pretty nice ogee curve now, and the definition from the implants actually is somewhat noticeable after I have lost water weight from running outside in a humid climate. However, you're right that it will never look as good as your result.

BTW, didn't you say you were getting modeling jobs now? @Saiyan

Bro, I have read your novels on lookism. You need to fix your eye and get the delusions of slaying out of your head. Get lower eyelid retraction and forever leave these forums.

Don't go to nightclubs and find something else to do with your life. If you really insist though, move to Asia. You will have a better quality of life (considering freindships and slaying) than any amount of silicone in your face will provide you in the west.

Cheers friend.

 

[crosshold]

@crosshold Silicone, but I was given the option of Medpor or silicone.

what do you think about the supposed chance of silicone "shifting" position? and what was your thought process on choosing silicone? i know eppley says he doesnt like using medpor but like for me, if i get implants im never taking those bitches out and im gonna get it right the first time

Bro, I have read your novels on lookism. You need to fix your eye and get the delusions of slaying out of your head. Get lower eyelid retraction and forever leave these forums.

Don't go to nightclubs and find something else to do with your life. If you really insist though, move to Asia. You will have a better quality of life (considering freindships and slaying) than any amount of silicone in your face will provide you in the west.

Cheers friend.

is the west just that bad for that lol? or is he white or something

 

[justanothergymcell]

what do you think about the supposed chance of silicone "shifting" position? and what was your thought process on choosing silicone? i know eppley says he doesnt like using medpor but like for me, if i get implants im never taking those bitches out and im gonna get it right the first time


is the west just that bad for that lol? or is he white or something

If silicone is attached with screws, they should not shift much, if at all. Both silicone and medpor encapsulate with surrounding tissue, but medpor moreso since it is pourous unlike silicone.

Yes, he is white. I have seen his pics and he will never slay in the west. No amount of additional surgeries will change that.

 

[crosshold]

If silicone is attached with screws, they should not shift much, if at all. Both silicone and medpor encapsulate with surrounding tissue, but medpor moreso since it is pourous unlike silicone.

Yes, he is white. I have seen his pics and he will never slay in the west. No amount of additional surgeries will change that.

are there any POSITIVES for medpor though? stability im assuming? all i ever hear is the one negative being that it has tissue ingrowth making it hard to remove

also ive heard surgeons dont really use screws often for silicone. do you usually have to ask for it or does dr Y and eppley do it automatically?

 

[justanothergymcell]

are there any POSITIVES for medpor though? stability im assuming? all i ever hear is the one negative being that it has tissue ingrowth making it hard to remove

also ive heard surgeons dont really use screws often for silicone. do you usually have to ask for it or does dr Y and eppley do it automatically?

The tissue ingrowth (encapsulation) can actually be seen as a positive for medpor, though the adverse affect is that it does pose a challenge to remove as you stated.

Both Eppley and Y will use titanium screws by default. This is standard to prevent shifting. If a surgeon uses silicone without screws, they aren't doing it properly.

 

[crosshold]

The tissue ingrowth (encapsulation) can actually be seen as a positive for medpor, though the adverse affect is that it does pose a challenge to remove as you stated.

Both Eppley and Y will use titanium screws by default. This is standard to prevent shifting. If a surgeon uses silicone without screws, they aren't doing it properly.

what about "feel" of the implants? does one feel more like bone than the other? thanks for answering my questions though man, i really appreciate it

 

[SurgerySoon]

Bro, I have read your novels on lookism. You need to fix your eye and get the delusions of slaying out of your head. Get lower eyelid retraction and forever leave these forums.

Don't go to nightclubs and find something else to do with your life. If you really insist though, move to Asia. You will have a better quality of life (considering freindships and slaying) than any amount of silicone in your face will provide you in the west.

Cheers friend.

Why are you so convinced that I will never be able to get any ONS's/hookups in the West? Am I really that bad looking? If so, what is the primary issue that is holding me back from being able to get even one ONS per month (I.e., not slaying, but just the occasional ONS) with a girl at a club/bar? It must be pretty bad if you're telling me to stay out of nightclubs altogether. Looking for constructive feedback here, even if the flaws that are holding me back truly are unfixable. @justanothergymcell

what do you think about the supposed chance of silicone "shifting" position? and what was your thought process on choosing silicone? i know eppley says he doesnt like using medpor but like for me, if i get implants im never taking those bitches out and im gonna get it right the first time


is the west just that bad for that lol? or is he white or something

Dr. Y actually suggested silicone for me, just in case I'd like to have the implants removed at some point. I don't think there's much of a chance of them shifting since they're screwed in to the bone.

 

[crosshold]

Why are you so convinced that I will never be able to get any ONS's/hookups in the West? Am I really that bad looking? If so, what is the primary issue that is holding me back from being able to get even one ONS per month (I.e., not slaying, but just the occasional ONS) with a girl at a club/bar? It must be pretty bad if you're telling me to stay out of nightclubs altogether. Looking for constructive feedback here, even if the flaws that are holding me back truly are unfixable. @justanothergymcell


Dr. Y actually suggested silicone for me, just in case I'd like to have the implants removed at some point. I don't think there's much of a chance of them shifting since they're screwed in to the bone.

thanks for the response. do you have any preference between dr y or eppley for custom wraparound jaw/undereye implants? price difference if you got a consult at both?

if you want you can dm me pics and i can see what i would suggest to improve on

 

[SurgerySoon]

thanks for the response. do you have any preference between dr y or eppley for custom wraparound jaw/undereye implants? price difference if you got a consult at both?

if you want you can dm me pics and i can see what i would suggest to improve on

Honestly, I'm not sure who the superior surgeon is between Dr. Y and Dr. E. I had considered going with Dr. E, but what turned me off was the number of patients who ended up with seemingly "uncanny" results. However, it seems like Dr. E might be more willing to design/place implants in a manner that might yield more dramatic results. I forgot the specific price differences between the two surgeons, but I think that Dr. Y was a few thousand dollars more expensive than Dr. E. However, that was a few years ago, so I would definitely get current price quotes from both surgeons to know for sure.

 

[crosshold]

Honestly, I'm not sure who the superior surgeon is between Dr. Y and Dr. E. I had considered going with Dr. E, but what turned me off was the number of patients who ended up with seemingly "uncanny" results. However, it seems like Dr. E might be more willing to design/place implants in a manner that might yield more dramatic results. I forgot the specific price differences between the two surgeons, but I think that Dr. Y was a few thousand dollars more expensive than Dr. E. However, that was a few years ago, so I would definitely get current price quotes from both surgeons to know for sure.

thanks again dude, really good info

 

[SurgerySoon]

thanks again dude, really good info

NP, good luck with whichever surgeon you choose.

 

[justanothergymcell]

Why are you so convinced that I will never be able to get any ONS's/hookups in the West? Am I really that bad looking? If so, what is the primary issue that is holding me back from being able to get even one ONS per month (I.e., not slaying, but just the occasional ONS) with a girl at a club/bar? It must be pretty bad if you're telling me to stay out of nightclubs altogether. Looking for constructive feedback here, even if the flaws that are holding me back truly are unfixable. @justanothergymcell


Dr. Y actually suggested silicone for me, just in case I'd like to have the implants removed at some point. I don't think there's much of a chance of them shifting since they're screwed in to the bone.

The primary issue is that you have lived the first 30 years of your life without having the validation, confidence, and social skills required to have hookups. Contrary to popular belief on these forums, some amount of finesse and experience is required in this arena and these are skills that true chads have honed and perfected since they were 14 years old.

The seconday issue is your age itself of 30.

The third issue is that even after your existing surgery, which I believe was a good result, and even if you fix your eye, you will still lack the natural harmony and good lucks that guys like Saiyan and Amnesia used surgeries to make minor tweaks to. They didn't try to completelty reinvent their face and their life.

At your age, find a nice career oritented girl that wasn't a complete hoe during her youth or move to Asia and slay away. Literally the cost you spent at Dr Y and other expenses for that surgery could have bought you at least a year of bliss in Asia.

 

[SurgerySoon]

The primary issue is that you have lived the first 30 years of your life without having the validation, confidence, and social skills required to have hookups. Contrary to popular belief on these forums, some amount of finesse and experience is required in this arena and these are skills that true chads have honed and perfected since they were 14 years old.

The seconday issue is your age itself of 30.

The third issue is that even after your existing surgery, which I believe was a good result, and even if you fix your eye, you will still lack the natural harmony and good lucks that guys like Saiyan and Amnesia used surgeries to make minor tweaks to. They didn't try to completelty reinvent their face and their life.

At your age, find a nice career oritented girl that wasn't a complete hoe during her youth or move to Asia and slay away. Literally the cost you spent at Dr Y and other expenses for that surgery could have bought you at least a year of bliss in Asia.

I appreciate the honest feedback. The problem with the move-to-Asia recommendation is that I'm just not interested in Asian girls. Also, I will be finishing grad school this year and will be starting a career in a fairly lucrative field that isn't really internationally "portable" in the sense that you can simply move to another country and obtain the same job.

The issue with your suggestion to just find a girl to settle down with is that I'm simply not interested in having LTRs, period, and this preference was most likely ingrained by the same psychological/environmental factors that have resulted in me simply not having the confidence or general social skills to be a natural slayer (I wholeheartedly agree with you on this point, BTW).

In general, I have always been the kind of guy who prefers to live a mostly solitary lifestyle, and yet I have never been interested in living the typical "NEET" life (I.e., I like to go to the gym, visit clubs/bars and nice restaurants, exercise outside, travel, and just be "out and about" in general). I hate just sitting around and doing nothing, and yet I'm not a particularly social person... so my lifestyle preferences and habits are sort of at odds with the fucked-up psychological state of being I have grown into, if that makes sense.

So basically, with my lifestyle and social preferences, this is the situation I'm in: even if I WASN'T specifically interested in hooking up with girls at clubs/bars, the fact that I don't ever want to be in a relationship means, ironically enough, that club/bar hookups or escortceling are basically my only other two options for female sexual engagement. You see the dilemma here?

In response to what you said about how I still won't be that good-looking even after I get surgery to completely overhaul my eye area, are there any specific traits or elements you can pinpoint that would still be holding me back? Or am I basically asking questions regarding the psychological nuances of attraction that researchers haven't been able to shed light on yet?

In other words, is it something as obvious as the ratios/proportions of certain facial features being slightly "off" enough to make it obvious that I'm not super-attractive, even though the individual deficiencies on their own are seemingly minor? Or is there a single glaring facial feature that (even after eye surgery) will prevent me from being GL, and which also happens to not be fixable via surgery?

Finally -- is the issue with me being over 30 based on me looking too old to look "normal" in a nightclub setting, or is the issue moreso related to the fact that at my age (and with me starting a white-collar career within the next year), it's just not really socially congruent to spend Friday/Saturday nights at clubs and bars anymore when my 30-plus contemporaries are starting families, focusing on their careers, focused on engaging in more "adult" indulgences that involve spending time with family, etc.?

Last question -- do you seriously think that even after eye surgery (as well as wraparound jaw implant surgery to lower my gonial angles) I won't be able to get ANY ONS's, ever? Am I seriously just so unattractive that I'm simply not ever going to be in that demographic, even if just occasionally? I mean, am I going to always be so bad-looking that by simply stepping foot into a large nightclub, I'll look so out of place that I'd make women feel uncomfortable?

Sorry for all the questions; I just like to get honest, blunt opinions from as many redpilled males as possible, especially those who are willing to provide objective feedback as opposed to mindless trolling.

Thanks

 

[ZUZZCEL]

Congrats on getting the surgery. Are you saying that Yaremchuk is too conservative based on my surgery results? LOL.

BTW, to his credit, Dr. Y did tell me that I had relatively thick tissues and that the results of bone structure-altering procedures (e.g., implants) probably wouldn't be as noticeable in my face as they'd be on someone with thinner tissues.

Also, keep in mind that Dr. Y actually gave me more augmentation overall (close to 6 mm's on the right side, I believe) than Saiyan, whose implants gave him 4 mm of augmentation on each side. It just goes to show you how much of a difference soft tissue characteristics make.

Still, part of me wants to get in touch with Eppley and ask him if he'd consider doing a revision with bigger, more noticeable implants, and if he thinks I'd benefit aesthetically...

Nah not on your results lol, I know someone else that had a wrap around and it didnt turn out how it was supposed to. Hes also just not that knoeldge on where to place the implants in my opinion. If you read his reviews on realself, he did make alot of ppl suicidal due to misposition of implants. I did send him a couple of emails and he seemed pretty narcy like alot more then eppley so I just decided to go with Eppley.



Also for revision, do you have to pay for the entire thing again or do you get some type of discount when getting the implant revised?

 

[crosshold]

I appreciate the honest feedback. The problem with the move-to-Asia recommendation is that I'm just not interested in Asian girls. Also, I will be finishing grad school this year and will be starting a career in a fairly lucrative field that isn't really internationally "portable" in the sense that you can simply move to another country and obtain the same job.

The issue with your suggestion to just find a girl to settle down with is that I'm simply not interested in having LTRs, period, and this preference was most likely ingrained by the same psychological/environmental factors that have resulted in me simply not having the confidence or general social skills to be a natural slayer (I wholeheartedly agree with you on this point, BTW).

In general, I have always been the kind of guy who prefers to live a mostly solitary lifestyle, and yet I have never been interested in living the typical "NEET" life (I.e., I like to go to the gym, visit clubs/bars and nice restaurants, exercise outside, travel, and just be "out and about" in general). I hate just sitting around and doing nothing, and yet I'm not a particularly social person... so my lifestyle preferences and habits are sort of at odds with the fucked-up psychological state of being I have grown into, if that makes sense.

So basically, with my lifestyle and social preferences, this is the situation I'm in: even if I WASN'T specifically interested in hooking up with girls at clubs/bars, the fact that I don't ever want to be in a relationship means, ironically enough, that club/bar hookups or escortceling are basically my only other two options for female sexual engagement. You see the dilemma here?

In response to what you said about how I still won't be that good-looking even after I get surgery to completely overhaul my eye area, are there any specific traits or elements you can pinpoint that would still be holding me back? Or am I basically asking questions regarding the psychological nuances of attraction that researchers haven't been able to shed light on yet?

In other words, is it something as obvious as the ratios/proportions of certain facial features being slightly "off" enough to make it obvious that I'm not super-attractive, even though the individual deficiencies on their own are seemingly minor? Or is there a single glaring facial feature that (even after eye surgery) will prevent me from being GL, and which also happens to not be fixable via surgery?

Finally -- is the issue with me being over 30 based on me looking too old to look "normal" in a nightclub setting, or is the issue moreso related to the fact that at my age (and with me starting a white-collar career within the next year), it's just not really socially congruent to spend Friday/Saturday nights at clubs and bars anymore when my 30-plus contemporaries are starting families, focusing on their careers, focused on engaging in more "adult" indulgences that involve spending time with family, etc.?

Last question -- do you seriously think that even after eye surgery (as well as wraparound jaw implant surgery to lower my gonial angles) I won't be able to get ANY ONS's, ever? Am I seriously just so unattractive that I'm simply not ever going to be in that demographic, even if just occasionally? I mean, am I going to always be so bad-looking that by simply stepping foot into a large nightclub, I'll look so out of place that I'd make women feel uncomfortable?

Sorry for all the questions; I just like to get honest, blunt opinions from as many redpilled males as possible, especially those who are willing to provide objective feedback as opposed to mindless trolling.

Thanks

to the OP's first point, i think you can LEARN how to be chad but it IS hard. basically learning PUA without all the cringey bullshit

as for your age, you're only as old as you look

lastly, i think it is possible to "look harmonious". harmony is very physical thing, its not some mystical thing that cant be recreated. is it hard to achieve if youre coming from a nonharmonious place? sure but its not impossible. just temper your expectations and really get your surgeries down and youll be fine

 

[ZUZZCEL]

Why are you so convinced that I will never be able to get any ONS's/hookups in the West? Am I really that bad looking? If so, what is the primary issue that is holding me back from being able to get even one ONS per month (I.e., not slaying, but just the occasional ONS) with a girl at a club/bar? It must be pretty bad if you're telling me to stay out of nightclubs altogether. Looking for constructive feedback here, even if the flaws that are holding me back truly are unfixable. @justanothergymcell


Dr. Y actually suggested silicone for me, just in case I'd like to have the implants removed at some point. I don't think there's much of a chance of them shifting since they're screwed in to the bone.

also nah I would say your pretty good looking, if you blurred out your eye area and the rest of your face is visible, I would assume your a chadlite/slayer seriously.

Your eye area surgeries should be life changing just by how much they hinder your appearence when everything else looks good aside from collagen maybe.

 

[SurgerySoon]

Nah not on your results lol, I know someone else that had a wrap around and it didnt turn out how it was supposed to. Hes also just not that knoeldge on where to place the implants in my opinion. If you read his reviews on realself, he did make alot of ppl suicidal due to misposition of implants. I did send him a couple of emails and he seemed pretty narcy like alot more then eppley so I just decided to go with Eppley.



Also for revision, do you have to pay for the entire thing again or do you get some type of discount when getting the implant revised?

Do you have any photos of the guy you know who had the bad wraparound implant result? Would be curious to see how it looks if you don't mind PMing me a photo or too.

Also, I'm not sure how much a revision would cost. If I get it done with Eppley (assuming I do it at all), I figure the cost will be the same as getting it all done again for the first time since I'd be a new patient of his. Dr. Y might offer a discount but I haven't asked yet.

to the OP's first point, i think you can LEARN how to be chad but it IS hard. basically learning PUA without all the cringey bullshit

as for your age, you're only as old as you look

lastly, i think it is possible to "look harmonious". harmony is very physical thing, its not some mystical thing that cant be recreated. is it hard to achieve if youre coming from a nonharmonious place? sure but its not impossible. just temper your expectations and really get your surgeries down and youll be fine

I appreciate the support. I think my problem is that in a comprehensive sense, my overall look just has something... "off" about it that makes it seem very difficult if not impossible to imagine what the really good-looking version of myself would look like.

also nah I would say your pretty good looking, if you blurred out your eye area and the rest of your face is visible, I would assume your a chadlite/slayer seriously.

Your eye area surgeries should be life changing just by how much they hinder your appearence when everything else looks good aside from collagen maybe.

Thanks. I have been using Retin-A since last July but my skin still kind of looks like shit, so I guess I need to step up my game and start using a dermaroller and get Fraxel laser treatments. I also started injecting HGH a couple months ago but IDK if it will ever make a noticeable difference in terms of skin quality.

 

[ZUZZCEL]

Do you have any photos of the guy you know who had the bad wraparound implant result? Would be curious to see how it looks if you don't mind PMing me a photo or too.

Also, I'm not sure how much a revision would cost. If I get it done with Eppley (assuming I do it at all), I figure the cost will be the same as getting it all done again for the first time since I'd be a new patient of his. Dr. Y might offer a discount but I haven't asked yet.

oh seriously? you have to pay for it all over again? damn that sucks, so If I wanted another 1-2mm chin projection or jaw angles, I have to pay 15k to do that?

and Ill try to find those pics, I have to get remember my password to my realself account lol, lost it.

 

[SurgerySoon]

oh seriously? you have to pay for it all over again? damn that sucks, so If I wanted another 1-2mm chin projection or jaw angles, I have to pay 15k to do that?

and Ill try to find those pics, I have to get remember my password to my realself account lol, lost it.

TBH I'm not sure if Eppley would charge the full price all over again. You could ask him but he might think you're one of the insane patients who wants a revision less than a week after surgery, LOL.

 

[ZUZZCEL]

TBH I'm not sure if Eppley would charge the full price all over again. You could ask him but he might think you're one of the insane patients who wants a revision less than a week after surgery, LOL.

yea I should wait, I have several questions I would like to ask him regarding other procedures so Ill probably book a consult (60 Minutes) for 200 bucks so I can get all my questions answered. Im just worried about "offending" him by asking a simple question relating to the removal of my implants as that would possibly get him irritated so I have to be careful with phrasing my words.

Ill pm you pics about how my wrap around implant turns out over the course as the swelling dies down.

 

[SurgerySoon]

yea I should wait, I have several questions I would like to ask him regarding other procedures so Ill probably book a consult (60 Minutes) for 200 bucks so I can get all my questions answered. Im just worried about "offending" him by asking a simple question relating to the removal of my implants as that would possibly get him irritated so I have to be careful with phrasing my words.

Ill pm you pics about how my wrap around implant turns out over the course as the swelling dies down.

Thanks, I hope it turns out well. What other procedures are you looking at getting done?

BTW, do you remember the username of the guy on Realself who had the bad wraparound implant with Dr. Y? Maybe I can look up his profile if so. What was bad about how it looked?

 

[justanothergymcell]

I appreciate the honest feedback. The problem with the move-to-Asia recommendation is that I'm just not interested in Asian girls. Also, I will be finishing grad school this year and will be starting a career in a fairly lucrative field that isn't really internationally "portable" in the sense that you can simply move to another country and obtain the same job.

The issue with your suggestion to just find a girl to settle down with is that I'm simply not interested in having LTRs, period, and this preference was most likely ingrained by the same psychological/environmental factors that have resulted in me simply not having the confidence or general social skills to be a natural slayer (I wholeheartedly agree with you on this point, BTW).

In general, I have always been the kind of guy who prefers to live a mostly solitary lifestyle, and yet I have never been interested in living the typical "NEET" life (I.e., I like to go to the gym, visit clubs/bars and nice restaurants, exercise outside, travel, and just be "out and about" in general). I hate just sitting around and doing nothing, and yet I'm not a particularly social person... so my lifestyle preferences and habits are sort of at odds with the fucked-up psychological state of being I have grown into, if that makes sense.

So basically, with my lifestyle and social preferences, this is the situation I'm in: even if I WASN'T specifically interested in hooking up with girls at clubs/bars, the fact that I don't ever want to be in a relationship means, ironically enough, that club/bar hookups or escortceling are basically my only other two options for female sexual engagement. You see the dilemma here?

In response to what you said about how I still won't be that good-looking even after I get surgery to completely overhaul my eye area, are there any specific traits or elements you can pinpoint that would still be holding me back? Or am I basically asking questions regarding the psychological nuances of attraction that researchers haven't been able to shed light on yet?

In other words, is it something as obvious as the ratios/proportions of certain facial features being slightly "off" enough to make it obvious that I'm not super-attractive, even though the individual deficiencies on their own are seemingly minor? Or is there a single glaring facial feature that (even after eye surgery) will prevent me from being GL, and which also happens to not be fixable via surgery?

Finally -- is the issue with me being over 30 based on me looking too old to look "normal" in a nightclub setting, or is the issue moreso related to the fact that at my age (and with me starting a white-collar career within the next year), it's just not really socially congruent to spend Friday/Saturday nights at clubs and bars anymore when my 30-plus contemporaries are starting families, focusing on their careers, focused on engaging in more "adult" indulgences that involve spending time with family, etc.?

Last question -- do you seriously think that even after eye surgery (as well as wraparound jaw implant surgery to lower my gonial angles) I won't be able to get ANY ONS's, ever? Am I seriously just so unattractive that I'm simply not ever going to be in that demographic, even if just occasionally? I mean, am I going to always be so bad-looking that by simply stepping foot into a large nightclub, I'll look so out of place that I'd make women feel uncomfortable?

Sorry for all the questions; I just like to get honest, blunt opinions from as many redpilled males as possible, especially those who are willing to provide objective feedback as opposed to mindless trolling.

Thanks

I understand your dilema, but let me ask you these questions:

1. Have you ever been in a serious, loving relationship where you have cohabited?
2. Have you ever escortcelled?
3. Have you ever had a ONS?

In other words, do you really actually know what you want or are you still in some discovery phase based upon observed assumptions of what other lifestyle possibilities exist?

As far as your attractiveness limitations, I think you are already well apprised of my thoughts since your self questioning is exactly what I believe and continue to question myself. Your single glaring feature now is the one eye and your ceiling is limited by many nuanced factors that you seem to be aware of.

As far as your age, yes, I also think your questioning demonstrates you also understand that element as well. I think both factors, percieved age and social acceptance, are equally a hindrance.

I think you could definitely still have a ONS, but again, the more limiting factor will be your social skills. I don't think you will be able to just post pictures on Tinder and have a chick agree to come over immediately without even meeting, but feel free to explore that avenue if you wish.

If it helps, I am actually older than you and have had more surgeries, but I can answer yes to all 3 questions above. And guess what - I could still answer yes before I had even a single surgery. And also guess what - I wouldn't be able to answer yes until my very late 20s. And, when I finally could answer yes, I was a NW3, PSL 4 5'9 manlet. I am getting surgery for myself and I honestly have no idea what my long term goal is, but whatever it is, looking better will help tremendously for whatever I decide. And it certainly won't involve many ONS or anything primal like that, because honestly, having a loving relationship was the best out of all three - by far. I have aspirations of going back to Asia and finding my 'waifu', but we shall see.

Good luck man, hit me up via PM if you like so we don't overtake this thread (unless you feel it benefits all).

 

[ZUZZCEL]

Thanks, I hope it turns out well. What other procedures are you looking at getting done?

BTW, do you remember the username of the guy on Realself who had the bad wraparound implant with Dr. Y? Maybe I can look up his profile if so. What was bad about how it looked?

I think I know who your talking about but I cant remember the name, its been like 6 months since I looked into his patients/his results.

I came to the conclusion that that Yaremchuk is said to be conservative in the amount of facial changes he gives, he likes very natural results. Eppley would probably have gone even further (if the patient wanted it) and gone full slayer mode on the guy but doesnt go "overboard" that would make you look like a cartoon.

I do think if you had your midface implant by Eppley it would look better but I wouldnt consider revision until you get your surgeries with taban, you can always book a consult and ask w.e questions. 2mms would make a huge difference imo. Its something to consider after your surgeries with Taban though.


At the moment, Im intrested in Bilateral Buccal Lipectomies and Perioral Mound Liposuction would be in the range of $4,900.00 - $5,700.00 for now. as that would make my cheeks look more prominent. Another Goal of mine is to improve my bite slightly with Invislign which would slightly help my chin projection.

 

[itsOVER]

Why are you so convinced that I will never be able to get any ONS's/hookups in the West? Am I really that bad looking? If so, what is the primary issue that is holding me back from being able to get even one ONS per month (I.e., not slaying, but just the occasional ONS) with a girl at a club/bar? It must be pretty bad if you're telling me to stay out of nightclubs altogether. Looking for constructive feedback here, even if the flaws that are holding me back truly are unfixable. @justanothergymcell

Let's be quite clear here: a different girl every month (12 a year) is 'slayer' tier in any country, and would put you squarely in the top 5% of men. Muh Chad banging a new girl every night simply doesn't exist - the average number of sexual partners a man has in his lifetime is 11.7: https://www.nhs.uk/news/lifestyle-and-exercise/results-of-uk-sex-survey-published/. Even that number is probably inflated (foids reported their lifetime as 7.7, and while that's likely an underestimate, it's not mathematically possible for men and women to have a different average total partner count. Given men are prone to overestimates, and women to underestimates, you could probably clock the real figure at around 9 partners in an average lifetime).

So no, you won't be banging a new girl every month.

 

[crosshold]

Do you have any photos of the guy you know who had the bad wraparound implant result? Would be curious to see how it looks if you don't mind PMing me a photo or too.

Also, I'm not sure how much a revision would cost. If I get it done with Eppley (assuming I do it at all), I figure the cost will be the same as getting it all done again for the first time since I'd be a new patient of his. Dr. Y might offer a discount but I haven't asked yet.


I appreciate the support. I think my problem is that in a comprehensive sense, my overall look just has something... "off" about it that makes it seem very difficult if not impossible to imagine what the really good-looking version of myself would look like.


Thanks. I have been using Retin-A since last July but my skin still kind of looks like shit, so I guess I need to step up my game and start using a dermaroller and get Fraxel laser treatments. I also started injecting HGH a couple months ago but IDK if it will ever make a noticeable difference in terms of skin quality.

again if youre open to it, i can take a look at your pics. i can send you mine also if that would make you feel safer

 

[LDNPari]

Why are you so convinced that I will never be able to get any ONS's/hookups in the West? Am I really that bad looking? If so, what is the primary issue that is holding me back from being able to get even one ONS per month (I.e., not slaying, but just the occasional ONS) with a girl at a club/bar? It must be pretty bad if you're telling me to stay out of nightclubs altogether. Looking for constructive feedback here, even if the flaws that are holding me back truly are unfixable. @justanothergymcell


Dr. Y actually suggested silicone for me, just in case I'd like to have the implants removed at some point. I don't think there's much of a chance of them shifting since they're screwed in to the bone.

Pics of face? What surgeries did you get done with Y?

 

[Kade]

that patient was probably the type of ones that refused to listen to surgeons advice about adjusting implants prior to surgery, he also didnt do proper research in regards to what surgeries he really needed.

He was screwed from the start due to the long midface imo, he should have just gotten that kpop triangular chin and a lip lift.

if you have a long midface, implants are a really bad idea. It wasnt eppleys fault in regards to that procedure

If you have a long midface, what is a good idea? (besides rope obv) I have a fairly long midface but was considering infraorbital malar implants. willing to PM pics

 

[ZUZZCEL]

If you have a long midface, what is a good idea? (besides rope obv) I have a fairly long midface but was considering infraorbital malar implants. willing to PM pics

you cant fix long midface without cutting bone


go ahead and pm me pics, ill respond tomm

 

[Kade]

you cant fix long midface without cutting bone


go ahead and pm me pics, ill respond tomm

I can’t seem to PM you. I’m assuming it’s because I have a low post count but not sure how many messages/posts I need to have access to that

 

[SurgerySoon]

I understand your dilema, but let me ask you these questions:

1. Have you ever been in a serious, loving relationship where you have cohabited?
2. Have you ever escortcelled?
3. Have you ever had a ONS?

In other words, do you really actually know what you want or are you still in some discovery phase based upon observed assumptions of what other lifestyle possibilities exist?

As far as your attractiveness limitations, I think you are already well apprised of my thoughts since your self questioning is exactly what I believe and continue to question myself. Your single glaring feature now is the one eye and your ceiling is limited by many nuanced factors that you seem to be aware of.

As far as your age, yes, I also think your questioning demonstrates you also understand that element as well. I think both factors, percieved age and social acceptance, are equally a hindrance.

I think you could definitely still have a ONS, but again, the more limiting factor will be your social skills. I don't think you will be able to just post pictures on Tinder and have a chick agree to come over immediately without even meeting, but feel free to explore that avenue if you wish.

If it helps, I am actually older than you and have had more surgeries, but I can answer yes to all 3 questions above. And guess what - I could still answer yes before I had even a single surgery. And also guess what - I wouldn't be able to answer yes until my very late 20s. And, when I finally could answer yes, I was a NW3, PSL 4 5'9 manlet. I am getting surgery for myself and I honestly have no idea what my long term goal is, but whatever it is, looking better will help tremendously for whatever I decide. And it certainly won't involve many ONS or anything primal like that, because honestly, having a loving relationship was the best out of all three - by far. I have aspirations of going back to Asia and finding my 'waifu', but we shall see.

Good luck man, hit me up via PM if you like so we don't overtake this thread (unless you feel it benefits all).

@justanothergymcell Sorry for taking so long to respond; I had meant to type up a response sooner but got kind of busy with other things. The answer to all three of your questions is "no." However, even though I have never been in a BF/GF relationship, it doesn't feel like I "missed out" in that regard, because I simply don't have any interest in being in one of those relationships in the first place. I know it sounds like it would be unfulfilling to most other guys, but in light of the extent of interactions I want with girls, "the one and done" nature of ONS's comes as close as possible to accommodating what I want (even if it's still not the ideal lifestyle to have).

To respond to your second point -- what I find both amusing and disheartening is the fact that for so many other guys, evaluating their looks and suggesting improvements can be as simple as looking at their photos and saying, "Great base, just fix X, Y, and Z features and you'll ascend, definite chad potential, good luck brah!"

... But on the other hand, for me, most people look at my photos and say, "Well, the only thing that's really 'off' is your eye area... but even after you get your eye area overhauled, I still can't imagine you being all that good-looking," and when I follow-up with the question of WHAT ELSE I should improve and/or alter to become more attractive, nobody can pin-point anything. It's like I'm the victim of some weird curse that prevents me from ever being able to become truly GL and which also makes it impossible for apparently to identify the specific physical facial traits that are holding me back. I mean, seriously -- how can it be so instantaneously obvious to others as to why someone's not particularly attractive, and yet be impossible at the same time for someone to improve whatever it is that's holding them back?

Anyways, to respond to what you said about the age issue -- I'm guessing I clearly look my age (31+)? Is that an issue because being 30+ is generally considered to be socially unacceptable in nightclub/bar settings, or is it more about actually looking too old as opposed to the actual age number itself? In other words, if I was "only" 25-26 but still looked exactly the same, would you say the same thing about me being likely to run into issues with attracting women due to my (perceived, in this case) age?

If I begin an intense anti-aging regimen including tretinoin (which I've already been using for almost a year), dermaneedling, red light therapy, peptides (HGH, GHK-Cu, epithalon, etc.), Fraxel laser treatments, and whatever the hell else is out there that has the potential to make someone either look younger or at least not visibly age as rapidly, do you think there's a possibility I could get through the rest of my 30's looking not much older than I look now (or potentially even look a bit younger)? This is assuming that I don't *already* look too old for what I want.

BTW, this is kind of a random aside, but to respond to the suggestions to just go "slay in Asia," I have to ask -- what is it about Asian girls that supposedly guarantees they'll be attracted to me? Do they just have much lower standards than white girls in the West? Why is it that an Asian girl of average attractiveness would find me attractive but not a white girl of average attractiveness?

(BTW -- I know that you didn't want to take up anymore space in this thread to talk about all this stuff, but since the thread itself has been dead for a few weeks, I figured it wouldn't really hurt at this point)

 

[Elgoblino]

any more pics yet?

 

[SurgerySoon]

How's the swelling looking?

 

[ZUZZCEL]

How's the swelling looking?

any more pics yet?

flared up the past 2 days since i binged,

ill post pics tomm


before and afters

 

[fOreVER]

flared up the past 2 days since i binged,

ill post pics tomm


before and afters

Does ccw rotation fix long midface?

 

[SurgerySoon]

flared up the past 2 days since i binged,

ill post pics tomm


before and afters

Thanks, looking forward to seeing them; hope healing is going well.

@justanothergymcell Did you see my latest novella I posted in this thread the other day? Feel free to PM me if you'd rather respond privately and not take up space in this thread

 

[Elgoblino]

flared up the past 2 days since i binged,

ill post pics tomm


before and afters

where dem pics at boyo

 

[ZUZZCEL]

where dem pics at boyo

posted it before a ton of times lol, but ill post it here since this is the og thread