Just raged about my gonial angle after seeing a bad pic of me

[DoctorLooksmax]

Why did I have to be born with such a shit gonial angle , I have most of the other bones needed to be GL but my mandible - arguable the most important has let me down big time

 

[Deleted member 17872]

What? I thought u were a fellow 100 degree gonial angle mogger

 

[DoctorLooksmax]

What? I thought u were a fellow 100 degree gonial angle mogger

I have 100 degree gonial angle yes.

Its an awful trait JFL

you need 115-130.


very high gonial angle just as bad my boss at work has like a 155 degree gonial angle and his whole face just goes straight down it looks like me doesnt even have a ramus just a flat sunken face

 

[Deleted member 17872]

I have 100 degree gonial angle yes.

Its an awful trait JFL

you need 115-130.


very high gonial angle just as bad my boss at work has like a 155 degree gonial angle and his whole face just goes straight down it looks like me doesnt even have a ramus just a flat sunken face

Is your's like this.

Mine is like this and it look amazing tbh.

 

[DoctorLooksmax]

Is your's like this.
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Mine is like this and it look amazing tbh.

his looks like 105-110 tbh

also my mandible reccessed compared to that

 

[Deleted member 17872]

his looks like 105-110 tbh

Well how does yours look like?

also my mandible reccessed compared to that

I think ur problem is the recessed mandible not the gonial angle.

 

[Deleted member 16058]

Well how does yours look like?


I think ur problem is the recessed mandible not the gonial angle.

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[DoctorLooksmax]

Well how does yours look like?


I think ur problem is the recessed mandible not the gonial angle.

I mean it is barely reccessed thats why I said reccessed compared to him, my chin is still just in front of nasion

 

[Xangsane]

what is mine hebrew

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Slavs me

 

[Deleted member 17872]

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Bad angle. Ur jaw looks kinda round tbh. Around 115-125

 

[DoctorLooksmax]

Bad angle. Ur jaw looks kinda round tbh. Around 115-125

Thats literally an Ideal angle lol- he doesnt look good though but not cos of his gonial angle

Bad angle. Ur jaw looks kinda round tbh. Around 115-125

 

[Deleted member 16058]

Bad angle. Ur jaw looks kinda round tbh. Around 115-125

so in the optimal range of most people

 

[Deleted member 16058]

Thats literally an Ideal angle lol- he doesnt look good though but not cos of his gonial angle

best and worst features?

 

[DoctorLooksmax]

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Youd need a scan / speak to ortho or maxfac to know for sure but I think youve got a reccessed maxilla tbh

best and worst features?

At a glance- hes got a convex nose and a reccessed maxilla-

cant judge eye area prpeorly from side profile, but eyebrows look good and strong browridge

strong chin as well

 

[Deleted member 16058]

Youd need a scan / speak to ortho or maxfac to know for sure but I think youve got a reccessed maxilla tbh

my bite is actually good.

 

[Deleted member 18840]

I mean it is barely reccessed thats why I said reccessed compared to him, my chin is still just in front of nasion

Do your bimax and stop overthinking it. Easy to say tho. I wish i had big flaws needing bimax instead of subbtle flaws that are hard to fix with little ascension possible.

 

[DoctorLooksmax]

my bite is actually good.

probably dental compensation - made its just a bad pic idk

 

[Deleted member 17872]

Thats literally an Ideal angle lol- he doesnt look good though but not cos of his gonial angle

Bad angle of the picture taken. He should haven taken a picture from a better angle.

I mean it is barely reccessed thats why I said reccessed compared to him, my chin is still just in front of nasion

Ur gonial angle is good wtf r u talking about?

so in the optimal range of most people

Optimal is between 100-110. But urs not bad. But u have other problems

 

[DoctorLooksmax]

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Do your bimax and stop overthinking it. Easy to say tho. I wish i had big flaws needing bimax instead of subbtle flaws that are hard to fix with little ascension possible.

Im getting rhino first I think- got a consult in 3 weeks time where the surgeon is doing a morph for me- ill share the morph with you and another PSLers after the consult and you can advise if its worth going thrrough or not

 

[Deleted member 16058]

Bad angle of the picture taken. He should haven taken a picture from a better angle.


Ur gonial angle is good wtf r u talking about?


Optimal is between 100-110. But urs not bad. But u have other problems

i agree the picture could have been better.

 

[Deleted member 18840]

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Im getting rhino first I think- got a consult in 3 weeks time where the surgeon is doing a morph for me- ill share the morph with you and another PSLers after the consult and you can advise if its worth going thrrough or not

Sure. I know decently well about nose jobs.
But if i was you i would get bimax then rhino because bimax alter the shape of the nose or the nose overall.

 

[DoctorLooksmax]

Sure. I know decently well about nose jobs.
But if i was you i would get bimax then rhino because bimax alter the shape of the nose or the nose overall.

I do agree in an ideal world its better to do jaw surgery first

But also bare in mind that ramieri did not reccomend me a bimax - he reccomended me BSSO and vertical genio only with no lefort 1 movement

Also for practical/life circumstance reasons I have to wait about 18 mor months until I can realistically do a bimax and I dotn wanna not fix other failos in the mean time you get me.

My other big failo is my IPD which isnt really fixable unfortuantely but there was a really good thread where someone showed how a more defined nasal bridge made wide IPD look less bad and reduced perceived IPD.

Also if i narrow the bridge, lefort 1 (if i do have leforft 1 movement) should onyl effect the lower partt of the nose not the nasal bridge

 

[Deleted member 16058]

@DoctorLooksmax is it true that browridge is one of the last bones to stop growing in your face?

 

[DoctorLooksmax]

Bad angle of the picture taken. He should haven taken a picture from a better angle.


Ur gonial angle is good wtf r u talking about?


Optimal is between 100-110. But urs not bad. But u have other problems

Its not bro youre a coping short face-cel

110 is probably fine if youve got a decent ramus- 110 would suit my face quite well I image cos ive got a good ramus, even like 106-108 would probably be okay with my ramus

100 is awful though

 

[Deleted member 18840]

I do agree in an ideal world its better to do jaw surgery first

But also bare in mind that ramieri did not reccomend me a bimax - he reccomended me BSSO and vertical genio only with no lefort 1 movement

Also for practical/life circumstance reasons I have to wait about 18 mor months until I can realistically do a bimax and I dotn wanna not fix other failos in the mean time you get me.

My other big failo is my IPD which isnt really fixable unfortuantely but there was a really good thread where someone showed how a more defined nasal bridge made wide IPD look less bad and reduced perceived IPD.

Also if i narrow the bridge, lefort 1 (if i do have leforft 1 movement) should onyl effect the lower partt of the nose not the nasal bridge

Yes i feel you. Go for it.
And ask for subbtle nasal bridge refinement, that will it stays masc on the side and due to the cutting, the nasal bridge will look thicker and ipd better. Grow eyebrows too by all means to fraud ipd.
Regarding ipd/midface, a tall chin helps too

 

[Deleted member 15674]

Why did I have to be born with such a shit gonial angle , I have most of the other bones needed to be GL but my mandible - arguable the most important has let me down big time

autism

 

[Stopping@Nothing19]

I have 100 degree gonial angle yes.

Its an awful trait JFL

you need 115-130.


very high gonial angle just as bad my boss at work has like a 155 degree gonial angle and his whole face just goes straight down it looks like me doesnt even have a ramus just a flat sunken face

100 degrees is normie, i don't see the issue

 

[Deleted member 16058]

100 degrees is normie, i don't see the issue

Cavill is a chadlite at best.

 

[DoctorLooksmax]

Yes i feel you. Go for it.
And ask for subbtle nasal bridge refinement, that will it stays masc on the side and due to the cutting, the nasal bridge will look thicker and ipd better. Grow eyebrows too by all means to fraud ipd.
Regarding ipd/midface, a tall chin helps too

Yes tbf this is lifefuel for me to read and I agree because as you can see all my main failos actually go together

Like my IPD, Nasal width and short chin are all working against eachohter- If I even fix one of them it makes the others look less bad and improves my overall harmony.

Im minoxing my brows atm but it has only really made them thciker not horizontally longer- I think you need eyebrow transplant for that

i read on real self that eyebrow transplant results tend to be shit cos they use head hair which doesnt match the consistenty of eyebrow hair which is why i decided against that surgery myself

 

[Deleted member 17829]

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[Deprived]

I mean it is barely reccessed thats why I said reccessed compared to him, my chin is still just in front of nasion

Yours is similar to mine, cuz short chin. I’m gonna get 2mm of vertical height from my implant though which should fix it

 

[Deleted member 17872]

Its not bro youre a coping short face-cel

No. U r just projecting. By ur definition Cavill has a short face.

110 is probably fine if youve got a decent ramus- 110 would suit my face quite well I image cos ive got a good ramus, even like 106-108 would probably be okay with my ramus

100 is awful though

Ur problrm is your chin height not jaw.

 

[Deleted member 16058]

No. U r just projecting. By ur definition Cavill has a short face.

Ur problrm is your chin height not jaw.

Is it true that browridge is one of the last bones to stop growing in your face?

 

[Deleted member 18840]

By ur definition Cavill has a short face.

He does have a rather short chin. Its not tall

 

[Deleted member 18840]

Yes tbf this is lifefuel for me to read and I agree because as you can see all my main failos actually go together

Like my IPD, Nasal width and short chin are all working against eachohter- If I even fix one of them it makes the others look less bad and improves my overall harmony.

Im minoxing my brows atm but it has only really made them thciker not horizontally longer- I think you need eyebrow transplant for that

i read on real self that eyebrow transplant results tend to be shit cos they use head hair which doesnt match the consistenty of eyebrow hair which is why i decided against that surgery myself

Honestly your case is luckily an easy fix.
There must be some fraud available to grow eyebrows tbh.

 

[Deleted member 17872]

Is it true that browridge is one of the last bones to stop growing in your face?

Don't know

He does have a rather short chin. Its not tall

Short chin not short face

 

[Deleted member 18840]

Don't know


Short chin not short face

Yes short chin.

 

[DoctorLooksmax]

No. U r just projecting. By ur definition Cavill has a short face.

Ur problrm is your chin height not jaw.

Eh?

Chin height is a result of a low gonial angle bro -

I have consulted maxfacs and they said my problems is jaw deep rather than chin, they reccomended CW rotation

CW rot ration of the mandible will give me a taller chin

 

[Deleted member 17872]

Yes short chin.

Doesn't matter with this face

 

[Deleted member 18840]

Doesn't matter with this face

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Its just phenonpill. Tbh.

 

[Deleted member 16058]

Don't know

Would make sense as it's evolutionary function is:

Evidence suggests brow ridges function to protect the eyes and orbital bones during hand-to-hand combat, given that they are an incredibly dimorphic trait.

But then Eppley says:

Their growth should be consistent with that of the skull which is usually complete no later than age 18. Prominent brow bone often do not become apparent until after puberty for many young males and they seemingly ‘grow’ up until the late teenage years.

 

[Deleted member 17872]

Eh?

Chin height is a result of a low gonial angle bro -

Nah Maher has a huge chin and extremely low gonial angle.

I have consulted maxfacs and they said my problems is jaw deep rather than chin, they reccomended CW rotation

CW rot ration of the mandible will give me a taller chin

They are scamming u

 

[DoctorLooksmax]

Yours is similar to mine, cuz short chin. I’m gonna get 2mm of vertical height from my implant though which should fix it

2mm? thats fuck all bro tbh not gonna make a difference irl

 

[DoctorLooksmax]

Nah Maher has a huge chin and extremely low gonial angle.

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They are scamming u

Bceause he has a gigantic ramus- like one of the tallest ramus I ever seen

You can get away with lower gonial angles if and only if you have tall ramus

 

[Deleted member 16058]

Also @David Rothschild plight of dolichocephalics:

Whereas male models:

 

[Deprived]

2mm? thats fuck all bro tbh not gonna make a difference irl

It will, maybe I’m underestimating the height of the implant but I’m getting some vertical height to say the least

 

[Deleted member 17872]

Bceause he has a gigantic ramus- like one of the tallest ramus I ever seen

You can get away with lower gonial angles if and only if you have tall ramus

What do u think his ramus height is?

Mine is around 85mm

 

[DoctorLooksmax]

What do u think his ramus height is?

Mine is around 85mm

Thats good- if you look decent with a low gonial angle, it probbaly means you have a tall ramus- My ramus is close to 9cm.


Tyler has honestly one of the tallest ramus I ever seen, baring in mind hes 6'4 his ramus is probably over 10cm

 

[DoctorLooksmax]

It will, maybe I’m underestimating the height of the implant but I’m getting some vertical height to say the least

Okay well good luck and hope you ascned but from the before and afters ive seen genio almost always produces nicer results than implant imo

but good luck and tbf even 2mm is better than nothing and in your case maybe itll make a differnce everyone is different

 

[Deprived]

Okay well good luck and hope you ascned but from the before and afters ive seen genio almost always produces nicer results than implant imo

but good luck and tbf even 2mm is better than nothing and in your case maybe itll make a differnce everyone is different

Yeah I thought long and hard abt genio tbh. But because of the way my chin is angled and how I don’t have much recession compared to the avg genio patient, it makes me a good candidate for chin implant instead. Genio would give me better results but it’s more expensive and it’s harder to find a surgeon that’s willing to increase lower third height with it for some reason.

Kind of serving as a gineau pig for this forum since people often say chin implants don’t give good results or causes bone erosion. But I’ve contacted many of the people from the surgeons I’m considering and they report nothing bad even after 5 years.