Kratom 3 times a day n Phenibut 3 times a day to prevent suicide

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Kratom 3 times a day n Phenibut 3 times a day to prevent suicide

 

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But what are the long-term effects of using those two daily?

 

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Be careful man, I had a friend who dabbled into both phenibut and kratom a lot and his addiction spiralled out of control, very easy to get addicted to that stuff, tolerance builds quick, withdrawals are very nasty.

But what are the long-term effects of using those two daily?

Physical and psychological addiction is almost guaranteed with frequent use, kratom withdrawal is comparable to heroin withdrawal because it’s an opiate

Probably some other stuff but thats just off the top of my head

 

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Be careful man, I had a friend who dabbled into both phenibut and kratom a lot and his addiction spiralled out of control, very easy to get addicted to that stuff, tolerance builds quick, withdrawals are very nasty.


Physical and psychological addiction is almost guaranteed with frequent use, kratom withdrawal is comparable to heroin withdrawal because it’s an opiate

Probably some other stuff but thats just off the top of my head

Kratom has not even close to the same potency as heroin. Heroin is likely more than 100x more potent than kratom if not even more than 100

Just because it's a opiate doesn't mean it's heavy. Opiates comes in various diffrent potency. Kratom is a mild opiate

Kratom withdrawal is mild. I even workcelled during kratom withdrawals. I know it's mild because sometimes I have to take 7 or 14 days tolerance reset breaks to reset tolerance to baseline

7 days break resets tolerance by 50%
14 days resets it to baseline

Also. It's impossible to overdose on kratom . If you take too much you will just vomit

 

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I've heard these drugs can give epilepsy. Watch out man

 

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Kratom has not even close to the same potency as heroin. Heroin is likely more than 100x more potent than kratom if not even more than 100

Just because it's a opiate doesn't mean it's heavy. Opiates comes in various diffrent potency. Kratom is a mild opiate

Okay, I phrased that wrong. I made it sound like because it’s an opiate the withdrawal is going to be comparable to heroin, this is not true.

You’re right kratom and heroin are nowhere near eachother when it comes to the potency of the drug, sure.

But the withdrawals you get from kratom are hell, just because the drug is mild in nature, doesn’t mean the withdrawals are going to be mild, don’t underestimate it. Some even consider kratom withdrawal worse than heroin.

Be careful man.

 

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Okay, I phrased that wrong. I made it sound like because it’s an opiate the withdrawal is going to be comparable to heroin, this is not true.

You’re right kratom and heroin are nowhere near eachother when it comes to the potency of the drug, sure.

But the withdrawals you get from kratom are hell, just because the drug is mild in nature, doesn’t mean the withdrawals are going to be mild, don’t underestimate it. Some even consider kratom withdrawal worse than heroin.

Be careful man.

The withdrawals are not hell either

I workcelled 9 hours a day during the 2 weeks breaks and I just felt depressed n tired (which is my normal way of feeling anyway since I have depression) but I could still work. No physical symptoms either like you would normally get from opiate withdrawals

I used to take buprenorphine before which is a very potent opiate (40 x more potent than morphine) and that withdrawal was actually hell. Kratom withdrawal is nothing compared to it

 

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The withdrawals are not hell either

I workcelled 9 hours a day during the 2 weeks breaks and I just felt depressed n tired (which is my normal way of feeling anyway since I have depression) but I could still work. No physical symptoms either like you would normally get from opiate withdrawals

I used to take buprenorphine before which is a very potent opiate (40 x more potent than morphine) and that withdrawal was actually hell. Kratom withdrawal is nothing compared to it

Buprenorphine is methadone right?

I’ve heard of people comparing that withdrawal to kratom.

But at the end of the day I guess it’s dose and individual dependent.

 

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Buprenorphine is methadone right?

I’ve heard of people comparing that withdrawal to kratom.

But at the end of the day I guess it’s dose and individual dependent.

No , buprenorhpine is subutex. Diffrent from methadone

 

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Buprenorphine is methadone right?

I’ve heard of people comparing that withdrawal to kratom.

But at the end of the day I guess it’s dose and individual dependent.

My guess would be the people complaining about kratom withdrawal must just be weak people tbh. I went on a Poland trip for 1 week during kratom withdrawal n I still had a great time in Poland (and i have used kratom daily with occasional 1 or 2 week breaks for 1 year, high doses too)

Or it could also be trolls who have not actually tried kratom but just wanna spread false propaganda about it for some reason.

But have people actually said kratom withdrawal is bad? When I googled it says the withdrawal is quite mild

I wonder where you read that kratom withdrawal is bad , bro?

The self improvement guy GLL "good looking loser" writes a lot of articles about kratom I suggest you check his site bro