Lateral cheekbone reduction

[rares54]

My stats right now:

148mm bizygomatic width
123mm bigonial width
65mm IPD
204mm facial length

The pros of reducing 5mm of bizygo width:
0.437-0.439 to 0.454 ESR
5.01 FWPFL to 4.84 (same as o'pry i think)
0.83 Bizygo to bigonial to 0.86-0.87

cons:
1.99 FWHR to 1.93
1.39-1.4 Total FWHR to 1.43 TFWHR (biggest con)

Is it worth making my eye area ideal but risk having a long face? Only way I could counter this is to reduce chin height, or lower my hairline

 

[irlesper]

are your eyes spaced one eye apart ?

 

[rares54]

are your eyes spaced one eye apart ?

Yes, roughly

my ICD is 33mm
PFL is 29.5-30mm

 

[irlesper]

Yes, roughly

my ICD is 33mm
PFL is 29.5-30mm

so actually you would benefit more from a canthopexy/canthoplasty than a cheekbone reduction
in my opinion, esr doesnt dictate one's eye spacing appearance but its rather the combination of PFL, ICD and OCD.
so having a higher pfl would give you the wide face + wide eyes halo
but this is just my opinion so take it with a grain of salt

 

[rares54]

so actually you would benefit more from a canthopexy/canthoplasty than a cheekbone reduction
in my opinion, esr doesnt dictate one's eye spacing appearance but its rather the combination of PFL, ICD and OCD.
so having a higher pfl would give you the wide face + wide eyes halo
but this is just my opinion so take it with a grain of salt

The problem with a lateral canthoplasty is that it depends entirely on my orbital socket and even then you can't expect more than 1-2mm, tbh it could be what I need but its easier to botch

As you can see my PFL looks like shit, even though the raw number is actually 30mm which is considered average or whatever. Most male models have this aswell, but way less face width

 

[Genio]

My stats right now:

148mm bizygomatic width
123mm bigonial width
65mm IPD
204mm facial length

The pros of reducing 5mm of bizygo width:
0.437-0.439 to 0.454 ESR
5.01 FWPFL to 4.84 (same as o'pry i think)
0.83 Bizygo to bigonial to 0.86-0.87

cons:
1.99 FWHR to 1.93
1.39-1.4 Total FWHR to 1.43 TFWHR (biggest con)

Is it worth making my eye area ideal but risk having a long face? Only way I could counter this is to reduce chin height, or lower my hairline

I found multiple model's online who are worshipped with Sub-2 FWHR, Which make's me question if 1.9 FWHR is Ideal (What I am trying to get at is, I doubt this would make much of a difference).

For TFWHR, However, I would recommend calculating your Chin-to-Philtrum Ratio and your Forehead Length (Width between Temporal Ridge / Height of Hairline to Glabella), this would kind of narrow down which path you should take.

 

[rares54]

I found multiple model's online who are worshipped with Sub-2 FWHR, Which make's me question if 1.9 FWHR is Ideal (What I am trying to get at is, I doubt this would make much of a difference).

For TFWHR, However, I would recommend calculating your Chin-to-Philtrum Ratio and your Forehead Length (Width between Temporal Ridge / Height of Hairline to Glabella), this would kind of narrow down which path you should take.

Mirin. I've seen you in several cheekbone reduction threads, glad you're active rn.

Imo anything 2+ is either gay alien or very masculine if you have the look for it
My chin-to philtrum is 2.56, my philtrum is 16mm and my chin is 41mm

In theory I could reduce the chin height by a bit, or get a hair transplant to lower the hairline. Is 1.42-1.43 really that bad of a failo? I think Vito Basso has 1.40

 

[TestoMaxxer]

The problem with a lateral canthoplasty is that it depends entirely on my orbital socket and even then you can't expect more than 1-2mm, tbh it could be what I need but its easier to botch

View attachment 5293435
As you can see my PFL looks like shit, even though the raw number is actually 30mm which is considered average or whatever. Most male models have this aswell, but way less face width

Broder ba en annan jag, min Pfl e oxå skit

 

[rares54]

Broder ba en annan jag, min Pfl e oxå skit

äre verkligen din pfl or is ur face just too wide?

Just reduced my face width, no change to the pfl whatsoever

 

[TestoMaxxer]

äre verkligen din pfl or is ur face just too wide?
View attachment 5293445
Just reduced my face width, no change to the pfl whatsoever

De kan va båda tror jag

 

[Genio]

Mirin. I've seen you in several cheekbone reduction threads, glad you're active rn.

Thank's man, I haven't been active as much because of Travelling and everything (I have also been falling out with this community since there's not much I can do regarding my look's currently), but I think if my 2 cent's can help somebody, I might aswell try.

Imo anything 2+ is either gay alien or very masculine if you have the look for it

The entire "Muh Zygomatic bone has to be a Square bonesmash and zygomatic implant's and filler and bonesmash" thing has to be some sort of inside joke, I have not seen much good-looking model's with prominent lateral zygo's (Even Vito Basso look's out-of-place with it).

My chin-to philtrum is 2.56, my philtrum is 16mm and my chin is 41mm

You are correct, there is some wiggle space in the Chin, I kind of calculated it quick, so please take this formula like a grain of salt.

(2.56 x 16) - (2.2 x 16) = 5.76m
if my calculation isn't bogus, you can reduce your chin by 5mm to keep TFWHR Ideal after your zygomatic reduction.
(I used 2.22 as an ideal CTP ratio for this calculation, but feel free to incorporate 2.1 instead of 2.2 if you'd like.)

Is 1.42-1.43 really that bad of a failo? I think Vito Basso has 1.40

Nobody can give you a clear answer if you don't get the Surgery, even morph's will be weird when it comes to this. In my viewpoint, I think you should just get the Lateral Zygomatic reduction first and then decide if Chin reduction is needed or not.

 

[rares54]

Thank's man, I haven't been active as much because of Travelling and everything (I have also been falling out with this community since there's not much I can do regarding my look's currently), but I think if my 2 cent's can help somebody, I might aswell try.

Yeah community has been pretty shit lately, I mean for the past year or so ppl are just asking the same basic softmax questions and no one is thinking outside the box anymore.

The entire "Muh Zygomatic bone has to be a Square bonesmash and zygomatic implant's and filler and bonesmash" thing has to be some sort of inside joke, I have not seen much good-looking model's with prominent lateral zygo's (Even Vito Basso look's out-of-place with it).

This, I have awesome zygos in good lighting but it all comes down to how I'm treated both by girls and society, if ''muh zygos'' thing were true then i'd be giga mogger, u dont need insane zygos to be chad. Of course, flat zygos are shit because you dont have any bone support at all,

but in my case I think it would be best to reduce them, even if they're my most ''precious'' bone. It literally fucks w my most important ratio lol

Nobody can give you a clear answer if you don't get the Surgery, even morph's will be weird when it comes to this. In my viewpoint, I think you should just get the Lateral Zygomatic reduction first and then decide if Chin reduction is needed or not.

Yeah. I've contacted some clinics in Turkey, btw where do you think I should do this? From what i've seen most recommend korea, but just the plane ticket alone is gonna cost me price of half the surgery.

Also it would be great to get since it will make my jaw look normal in comparison, so I won't have to get jaw implants for now atleast, 2 birds 1 stone kinda situation

 

[Genio]

Yeah community has been pretty shit lately, I mean for the past year or so ppl are just asking the same basic softmax questions and no one is thinking outside the box anymore.

There are still a few smart lad's who I appreciate on this Forum (since majority of the community is unfortunately offtopic eviscer's or people with sub-20 post's), but honestly it's just hectic and tiresome entering this website nowaday's.

Yeah. I've contacted some clinics in Turkey, btw where do you think I should do this? From what i've seen most recommend korea, but just the plane ticket alone is gonna cost me price of half the surgery.

If you want my serious opinion, no clue. I have been recommended Korea aswell in the past, but I'm still 16 and saving.
I think it's important to make it known, I haven't actually decided what type of Hardmaxx I plan to get either, I have been meaning to get a CBCT scan conducted to show which part of my Zygomatic bone is the cause for my Unideal FWHR.
I suspect it to mainly the Zygomatic-Maxillary Suture, since my Zygomatic arch protrudes inward beginning from the Zygomatic-Temporal Suture (Which can be solved with Boneshaving), This can be solved locally in my Home county, Egypt, for around 1250 to 2600 USD total.

(Apologies for the late response, by the way, I am currently not at my House complex, and was without a charger, so I had to borrow one from my Local reception.)

 

[rares54]

If you want my serious opinion, no clue. I have been recommended Korea aswell in the past, but I'm still 16 and saving.
I think it's important to make it known, I haven't actually decided what type of Hardmaxx I plan to get either, I have been meaning to get a CBCT scan conducted to show which part of my Zygomatic bone is the cause for my Unideal FWHR.
I suspect it to mainly the Zygomatic-Maxillary Suture, since my Zygomatic arch protrudes inward beginning from the Zygomatic-Temporal Suture (Which can be solved with Boneshaving), This can be solved locally in my Home county, Egypt, for around 1250 to 2600 USD total.

(Apologies for the late response, by the way, I am currently not at my House complex, and was without a charger, so I had to borrow one from my Local reception.)

No worries, Yeah i'm getting a referral by a turkish surgeon soon so i can get a cbct here in sweden. I have contacted some clinics from turkey and see what they're gonna say. What type of zygo reduction do you think is made when u only need to reduce the width from the front?

 

[Genio]

No worries, Yeah i'm getting a referral by a turkish surgeon soon so i can get a cbct here in sweden. I have contacted some clinics from turkey and see what they're gonna say. What type of zygo reduction do you think is made when u only need to reduce the width from the front?

Anterior Zygomatic Reduction

I don't see how that would really reduce Wide FWHR or an Unideal ESR, though.
I am also not sure if it is as viable (or useful) to get in comparison to Lateral zygomatic reduction.

 

[rares54]

Anterior Zygomatic Reduction

I don't see how that would really reduce Wide FWHR or an Unideal ESR, though.
I am also not sure if it is as viable (or useful) to get in comparison to Lateral zygomatic reduction.

Yeah the only reason i want to get it is to fix my esr

and also make my eyes appear wider, i actually have normal pfl, my eyes look small in comparison to my skull, ppl always tell me ''you have small eyes''

 

[iblamemygenes]

Yes, roughly

my ICD is 33mm
PFL is 29.5-30mm

This is not one eye apart and it’s a flaw, I think it’s due to low pfl

 

[rares54]

This is not one eye apart and it’s a flaw, I think it’s due to low pfl

its 1.10x one eye apart not a flaw btw

Still, my eyes would look wide set with this ratio

Its not like my eyes are 0.70x apart

 

[rares54]

This is not one eye apart and it’s a flaw, I think it’s due to low pfl

Also in what world is 29.5mm pfl low man?
Dont get me with the giggly 36mm pfl bullshit, no one has that

Chico has 28-29mm pfl
Everyone has max 32mm, every model