Lefort 2 + CCW jaw rotation

[Clark]

How much would it cost in Turkey? Any tips??

 

[Lefor3Laser]

Why lefort 2?, not many perform it unless giant implant, i would reccomend you to get infra implants or fat grafts for the upper maxilla

 

[FrenchareMedCucks]

LF 2 moggs it is 35k with Celal ( including bimax and plates )

 

[N1666]

Why lefort 2?, not many perform it unless giant implant, i would reccomend you to get infra implants or fat grafts for the upper maxilla

You are a fucking idiot everything you’ve just said is wrong.

 

[Lefor3Laser]

You are a fucking idiot everything you’ve just said is wrong.

Yeah sure, only surgeon who performs it is celal in turkey, almost no other surgeon will perform it on you unless top tier deformity.

 

[oily703]

Yeah sure, only surgeon who performs it is celal in turkey, almost no other surgeon will perform it on you unless top tier deformity.

Hes talking about what you sugested you utter fucking retard
Fat grafts jfl

 

[Lefor3Laser]

Hes talking about what you sugested you utter fucking retard
Fat grafts jfl

If no fat grafts you'll end up bad with only infras as seen in many cases of giant implants

 

[FrenchareMedCucks]

Yeah sure, only surgeon who performs it is celal in turkey, almost no other surgeon will perform it on you unless top tier deformity.

Pagnoni does it too but for 70-80k per a user here who asked him in 2022

 

[Lefor3Laser]

Pagnoni does it too but for 70-80k per a user here who asked him in 2022

Way to much tbh, 80k for the results that you get it in turkey for 20k+

 

[Snicket]

Pagnoni does it too but for 70-80k per a user here who asked him in 2022

Really? It's interesting we don't hear about any results - even with that price tag - considering how widely promoted Pagnoni is in this forum and that LF2/3 is presented as the El Dorado of surgeries. I've seen LF2 results online - it's definitely not the silver bullet everyone thinks it is.

 

[Snicket]

Why lefort 2?, not many perform it unless giant implant, i would reccomend you to get infra implants or fat grafts for the upper maxilla

The issue is that the nasal cavity is left behind. Implants and fat grafts are the realistic solution. Unfortunately, there is no optimal surgery for a recessed maxilla. Even LF2/3 don't make the midface more compact. There's concerns of sunken eyes (enophthalmos ), a larger nose, complications relating to facial nerves, moving the medial canthus. Rotation is also more limited. It's a very serious and invasive operation and yet people talk about here like ordering a happy meal.

 

[Lefor3Laser]

The issue is that the nasal cavity is left behind. Implants and fat grafts are the realistic solution. Unfortunately, there is no optimal surgery for a recessed maxilla. Even LF2/3 don't make the midface more compact. There's concerns of sunken eyes (enophthalmos ), a larger nose, complications relating to facial nerves, moving the medial canthus. Rotation is also more limited. It's a very serious and invasive operation and yet people talk about here like ordering a happy meal.

There is also an implant for the nasal bone, but i saw it only at Eppley so i am not sure if other surgeons do it.

 

[Snicket]

There is also an implant for the nasal bone, but i saw it only at Eppley so i am not sure if other surgeons do it.

You can also get a rhinoplasty which augments the nose bridge, I think. The danger with surgeries is how quickly it becomes a rabbit hole. More surgeries = more chance of a botch. That's not an anti-surgery argument. It's just that people have unrealistic expectations about what surgery can achieve. You can achieve some degree of improvement but it's no silver bullet in the vast majority of cases sadly - at least if your entire maxilla is recessed.

 

[Lefor3Laser]

You can also get a rhinoplasty which augments the nose bridge, I think. The danger with surgeries is how quickly it becomes a rabbit hole. More surgeries = more chance of a botch. That's not an anti-surgery argument. It's just that people have unrealistic expectations about what surgery can achieve. You can achieve some degree of improvement but it's no silver bullet in the vast majority of cases sadly - at least if your maxillary complex is recessed.

Indeed, as i said, i saw many giant implant results wich were underwhelming or uncanny, sadly not even implants feel right sometimes, big movements/implants = more uncanny looks.

 

[Snicket]

Indeed, as i said, i saw many giant implant results wich were underwhelming or uncanny, sadly not even implants feel right sometimes, big movements/implants = more uncanny looks.

Totally agreed. One guy who had his entire maxilla covered in implants looked like MJ. I'm not even anti-implants but they should augment the existing, albeit flawed, structure instead of almost trying to replace the entire facial skeleton! Tom Cruise had incredibly natural jaw implants in his early 20s and they looked great.

 

[Lefor3Laser]

Totally agreed. One guy who had his entire maxilla covered in implants looked like MJ. I'm not even anti-implants but they should augment the existing, albeit flawed, structure instead of almost trying to replace the entire facial skeleton! Tom Cruise had incredibly natural jaw implants in his early 20s and they looked great.

You are absolutely right, this is a result i saw from giant, many might say that he looks better than his before, but looking ugly but natural will always be better than pretty and uncanny.

 

[Snicket]

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You are absolutely right, this is a result i saw from giant, many might say that he looks better than his before, but looking ugly but natural will always be better than pretty and uncanny.

Yep. Seen many cases like this. The facial contour looks totally unnatural. Accepting some measure of improvement and knowing when to walk away is key.

 

[Clark]

The issue is that the nasal cavity is left behind. Implants and fat grafts are the realistic solution. Unfortunately, there is no optimal surgery for a recessed maxilla. Even LF2/3 don't make the midface more compact. There's concerns of sunken eyes (enophthalmos ), a larger nose, complications relating to facial nerves, moving the medial canthus. Rotation is also more limited. It's a very serious and invasive operation and yet people talk about here like ordering a happy meal.

Are there any concerns about the CCW jaw rotation tho? Will it actually look good? I’m definitely doing CCW rotation, but I’m considering Lefort because someone told me it’s cheaper when done with CCW rotation.

 

[Clark]

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You are absolutely right, this is a result i saw from giant, many might say that he looks better than his before, but looking ugly but natural will always be better than pretty and uncanny.

I don’t even consider that uncanny tbh, dude looks good asf

 

[Acne Victim]

The issue is that the nasal cavity is left behind. Implants and fat grafts are the realistic solution. Unfortunately, there is no optimal surgery for a recessed maxilla. Even LF2/3 don't make the midface more compact. There's concerns of sunken eyes (enophthalmos ), a larger nose, complications relating to facial nerves, moving the medial canthus. Rotation is also more limited. It's a very serious and invasive operation and yet people talk about here like ordering a happy meal.

The people who talk about lf2/3 like that are usually teenagers who think it’s edgy to be getting extremely invasive procedures. LF2 specially has a shit roi imo

 

[Snicket]

Are there any concerns about the CCW jaw rotation tho? Will it actually look good? I’m definitely doing CCW rotation, but I’m considering Lefort because someone told me it’s cheaper when done with CCW rotation.

It's an interesting point. We know the nature rotation changes when you mobilise more of the maxilla. In a lot of the medical literature I've read, LF2/3 is done first and then orthognathic surgery is done separately to get the optimal occlusal plane and bite. In some other cases, the surgeon mobilises different parts of the maxilla simultaneously. E.g. LF1 + naso-maxillary region + orbits and cheekbones. It's super specialised though. Only a tiny subset of surgeons do this apparently.