Lefort 2 + CCW jaw rotation

[moze]

It doesnt split the infra orbital part that much as you think.its not the way you think it is.alveolar protraction is difficult with mse+fm coz there is no good protraction device rn in the market

 

[moze]

I'll believe it when I see it. Achieving alveolar advancement is difficult enough in adults with MSE + FM. Advancing the upper maxilla will be far more difficult and fraught with complications.

Can you imagine splitting the sutures of your upper maxilla? Especially around your orbits and infraorbital region. That could be incredibly dangerous. I don't think this would necessarily be the breakthrough you think it is! Generally, the more important the facial feature is, the more invasive the required treatment is.

Higher level LeForts are still the workhorse of midfacial advancment unfortunately and I can't see that changing for the forseeable future.

It doesn’t work the way u think. It doesn’t split the suture in the infra orbital part.mse+fm. Doesnt work even for alveolar region coz there is no good facemask rn

 

[greycel]

Really? It's interesting we don't hear about any results - even with that price tag - considering how widely promoted Pagnoni is in this forum and that LF2/3 is presented as the El Dorado of surgeries. I've seen LF2 results online - it's definitely not the silver bullet everyone thinks it is.

Right?
That’s exactly what I’m thinking
People get so caught up with trying to find somebody who is ready to undertake a LF2, completely not taking into account the fact that if he is that rare and only a few surgeons in the world do it, then they are surely not blackpilled to the extent that some surgeons for LF1 are
So you might look uncanny or bogged

 

[greycel]

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You are absolutely right, this is a result i saw from giant, many might say that he looks better than his before, but looking ugly but natural will always be better than pretty and uncanny.

This is what came to mind for me too when you said that
You know there’s that sharp contour and of course his lips looks massive and uncanny
But that sharp contour for his undereyes, if he perhaps had a fat grafting there would it fix it to make it look natural?

 

[greycel]

Looks too much
But he asked for it himself and the designer did a good job with his request
It still leaves the question does everyone know what they're asking for when they ask for it
I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and say yes

Don’t the 3D models they use have like a 95% accuracy to assess even how soft tissue would react to it

 

[chrishell]

Don’t the 3D models they use have like a 95% accuracy to assess even how soft tissue would react to it

For djs yes not for implants

 

[greycel]

It doesn’t work the way u think. It doesn’t split the suture in the infra orbital part.mse+fm. Doesnt work even for alveolar region coz there is no good facemask rn

When do you think the new facemask will come out?
And will this be able to move the jaws to their correct position upwards and forwards (as if we had good development - didn’t mouthbreathe)

This would make Leforts obsolete