Lefort 2 + CCW jaw rotation

[moze]

It doesnt split the infra orbital part that much as you think.its not the way you think it is.alveolar protraction is difficult with mse+fm coz there is no good protraction device rn in the market

 

[moze]

I'll believe it when I see it. Achieving alveolar advancement is difficult enough in adults with MSE + FM. Advancing the upper maxilla will be far more difficult and fraught with complications.

Can you imagine splitting the sutures of your upper maxilla? Especially around your orbits and infraorbital region. That could be incredibly dangerous. I don't think this would necessarily be the breakthrough you think it is! Generally, the more important the facial feature is, the more invasive the required treatment is.

Higher level LeForts are still the workhorse of midfacial advancment unfortunately and I can't see that changing for the forseeable future.

It doesn’t work the way u think. It doesn’t split the suture in the infra orbital part.mse+fm. Doesnt work even for alveolar region coz there is no good facemask rn

 

[greycel]

Really? It's interesting we don't hear about any results - even with that price tag - considering how widely promoted Pagnoni is in this forum and that LF2/3 is presented as the El Dorado of surgeries. I've seen LF2 results online - it's definitely not the silver bullet everyone thinks it is.

Right?
That’s exactly what I’m thinking
People get so caught up with trying to find somebody who is ready to undertake a LF2, completely not taking into account the fact that if he is that rare and only a few surgeons in the world do it, then they are surely not blackpilled to the extent that some surgeons for LF1 are
So you might look uncanny or bogged

 

[greycel]

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You are absolutely right, this is a result i saw from giant, many might say that he looks better than his before, but looking ugly but natural will always be better than pretty and uncanny.

This is what came to mind for me too when you said that
You know there’s that sharp contour and of course his lips looks massive and uncanny
But that sharp contour for his undereyes, if he perhaps had a fat grafting there would it fix it to make it look natural?

 

[greycel]

Looks too much
But he asked for it himself and the designer did a good job with his request
It still leaves the question does everyone know what they're asking for when they ask for it
I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and say yes

Don’t the 3D models they use have like a 95% accuracy to assess even how soft tissue would react to it

 

[chrishell]

Don’t the 3D models they use have like a 95% accuracy to assess even how soft tissue would react to it

For djs yes not for implants

 

[greycel]

It doesn’t work the way u think. It doesn’t split the suture in the infra orbital part.mse+fm. Doesnt work even for alveolar region coz there is no good facemask rn

When do you think the new facemask will come out?
And will this be able to move the jaws to their correct position upwards and forwards (as if we had good development - didn’t mouthbreathe)

This would make Leforts obsolete

 

[FrenchareMedCucks]

Normies cannot tell this guy had surgery and looks uncanny. Remove his lips filler and he s fine. Of course incels can spot it here on .org

Normies couldn't tell themselves this guy had bimax + full face implants, and he looks good . Perfect hardmaxx result.

 

[gravlek]

I disagree bro, I get way more IOI's now and my dating apps are never dry. This was also only a few months post op and my result is more natural but still very robust

All the images of me post implants that were shared here are when I was still swollen + under weight

I also had homo levels of lip filler which has now somewhat dissolved

I am one of Giants BOTB

You look fine, idk why people here are talking that crap. In the end the only measure that’s relevant is the amount of pussy you are getting based upon your looks. What did you get exactly?

 

[bimaxmaxxer]

Hes talking about what you sugested you utter fucking retard
Fat grafts jfl

fat grafts for the maxilla sounds funny af

 

[Linoob]

You look fine, idk why people here are talking that crap. In the end the only measure that’s relevant is the amount of pussy you are getting based upon your looks. What did you get exactly?

they mad because they sub5

 

[gravlek]

they mad because they sub5

Obviously. What did you get done exactly?

 

[moze]

hahahah

i am not telling you look bad.you look like a fuck boy.its a success if you wanted that look.i want natural and youthful appearance with minimal advancement

 

[Snicket]

they mad because they sub5

I really don’t think criticism is coming from a place of resentment here. Everyone here has acknowledged that you still look good.

Would you mind posting a before pic in the interests of a proper comparison? Ideally at same angle as posted pic. And maybe two frontals (b/a) as well.

 

[Lefor3Laser]

fat grafts for the maxilla sounds funny af

I said for the orbitals and not the maxilla

 

[geenk worg]

you can't rotate much a lefort 2

 

[Pakicel]

LF 2 moggs it is 35k with Celal ( including bimax and plates )

Avoid Celal. Way too many reports of botched.

 

[Snicket]

you can't rotate much a lefort 2

Which is why in most of the medical lit I’ve read orthographic surgery is either done at the same time as an LF2/3 or in a separate surgery to get the best bite and occlusal plane.

Problem is only a handful of surgeons in the world are specialized enough to do it. Most have probably done it a couple of times on cadavers at med school.

 

[lurking truecel]

I disagree bro, I get way more IOI's now and my dating apps are never dry. This was also only a few months post op and my result is more natural but still very robust

All the images of me post implants that were shared here are when I was still swollen + under weight

I also had homo levels of lip filler which has now somewhat dissolved

I am one of Giants BOTB

Damn mirin result, how did you look before ?

 

[Linoob]

Obviously. What did you get done exactly?

Peek everything

 

[Linoob]

I really don’t think criticism is coming from a place of resentment here. Everyone here has acknowledged that you still look good.

Would you mind posting a before pic in the interests of a proper comparison? Ideally at same angle as posted pic. And maybe two frontals (b/a) as well.

Bare with me. I’ll try get some before and afters tomorrow

 

[Linoob]

I really don’t think criticism is coming from a place of resentment here. Everyone here has acknowledged that you still look good.

Would you mind posting a before pic in the interests of a proper comparison? Ideally at same angle as posted pic. And maybe two frontals (b/a) as well.

Best I can do for now

 

[Snicket]

Best I can do for now

Thanks for the comparison.
It's true that there are a lot of sh*t posters on this site.
At least you did something and certainly made an improvement, so I respect that - regardless of my criticisms.
Congrats.

 

[Linoob]

Thanks for the comparison.
It's true that there are a lot of sh*t posters on this site.
At least you did something and certainly made an improvement, so I respect that - regardless of my criticisms.
Congrats.

The infras and supras are a bit extreme and asymmetrical but it’s still a mog imo

Getting some sculptra to fill in my temple hollowness soon too so that should help

 

[FrenchareMedCucks]

The infras and supras are a bit extreme and asymmetrical but it’s still a mog imo

Getting some sculptra to fill in my temple hollowness soon too so that should help

You mogg you don't look uncanny at all Normies couldn't tell you had surgery.

Indeed supras and especially infras were extreme. How many mm you got there?

 

[Linoob]

You mogg you don't look uncanny at all Normies couldn't tell you had surgery.

Indeed supras and especially infras were extreme. How many mm you got there?

Thank you king. I agree, only a blackpilled autist is going to pick up on my “uncannyness”. Don’t know the measurements but can dm you the design iyw

 

[Lefor3Laser]

Best I can do for now

Tbh you improved and looks better, but if you had a chance to do a revision for free would you do it?, are you happy with the results?, did you expect better results or is this what was on your mind, do you regret anything that you have could done?
Good job on your ascension none the less.

 

[lurking truecel]

Thank you king. I agree, only a blackpilled autist is going to pick up on my “uncannyness”. Don’t know the measurements but can dm you the design iyw

Could you dm design to me too? Doing some hardmaxxing aswell soon, would be appreciated

 

[AforB]

The issue is that the nasal cavity is left behind. Implants and fat grafts are the realistic solution. Unfortunately, there is no optimal surgery for a recessed maxilla. Even LF2/3 don't make the midface more compact. There's concerns of sunken eyes (enophthalmos ), a larger nose, complications relating to facial nerves, moving the medial canthus. Rotation is also more limited. It's a very serious and invasive operation and yet people talk about here like ordering a happy meal.

shut up nigga, it's chad or death

 

[Snicket]

shut up nigga, it's chad or death

I have a name I can give you in exchange for the one you might have found. DM me.

 

[Mrxshmallow]

Thank you king. I agree, only a blackpilled autist is going to pick up on my “uncannyness”. Don’t know the measurements but can dm you the design iyw

Can I ask you something in DM regarding the implants? Good job by the way, you near HTN range, I’d say.

i don’t think it looks botched or uncanny like many said before, maybe it was the swelling that made you look a bit more bloated.

 

[iseeblue9]

Best I can do for now

The zygos infras are too big which makes the hollow eyes effect

Improvement for sure but there are limits to implants because its an IMPLANT
Implants tend to shine/weird shinny skin specially if u get zygos done

 

[iseeblue9]

The infras and supras are a bit extreme and asymmetrical but it’s still a mog imo

Getting some sculptra to fill in my temple hollowness soon too so that should help

why the asymmetry? isnt custom ones supposed to fix that

 

[FrenchareMedCucks]

Perfect design you should just have going 2mm less thick on infras and get a genio instead of chin implants and no one could have tell you had full face implants.

The chin especially look the least natural, genio + filler seems to be a better combo

 

[Linoob]

The zygos infras are too big which makes the hollow eyes effect
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Improvement for sure but there are limits to implants because its an IMPLANT
Implants tend to shine/weird shinny skin specially if u get zygos done

Yeah but normies dgaf. I slay now