Let me hear your opinion on why God doesn’t exist; I’ll debunk it

[Vazelrr]

Too often;people sit in the safety of disbelief without pressure-testing their own reasoning,so let’s flip the table: drop your strongest arguments against God’s existence, and I’ll respond directly.

I Don’t expect vague ‘religion bad’ clichés to hold here I want real arguments,you say God doesn’t exist? Prove it,i’ll be waiting with counterfire

 

[crazyguy]

Too often;people sit in the safety of disbelief without pressure-testing their own reasoning,so let’s flip the table: drop your strongest arguments against God’s existence, and I’ll respond directly.

Don’t expect vague ‘religion bad’ clichés to hold here I want real arguments,you say God doesn’t exist? Prove it,i’ll be waiting with counterfire

God exists

 

[Jason Voorhees]

I am Christian but I'm lukewarm. Im more interested in perfumes, guns, cars, watches, clothes and technology.

 

[venom418]

It doesn't matter to any one in both cases

 

[Vazelrr]

God exists

Fair enough, brother at least you already stand on the right side of the debate,but this thread is aimed at those who deny Him, so here's a rep for responding.

 

[Cessation]

Too often;people sit in the safety of disbelief without pressure-testing their own reasoning,so let’s flip the table: drop your strongest arguments against God’s existence, and I’ll respond directly.

I Don’t expect vague ‘religion bad’ clichés to hold here I want real arguments,you say God doesn’t exist? Prove it,i’ll be waiting with counterfire

If god was real you would be chad

 

[Vazelrr]

.

 

[RapeAllFemales]

God does not exist means to previously admit that something exists

 

[Vazelrr]

I am Christian but I'm lukewarm. Im more interested in perfumes, guns, cars, watches, clothes and technology.

Appreciate the honesty,but here’s the thing: being ‘lukewarm’ is the most dangerous state you acknowledge God exists, but you live as if He’s a background character in your life. Christ Himself said the lukewarm will be spat out (Revelation 3:16).
You’ve got passion for perfumes, guns, and cars imagine redirecting even half that energy toward faith.

 

[Vazelrr]

God does not exist means to previously admit that something exists

You’ve accidentally made a good point without realizing it,to deny God, you first have to entertain the very concept of Him;no one spends energy denying the existence of unicorns with philosophical essays and emotional fury, the obsession with disproving God shows that deep down, people recognize the weight of His existence. Your denial already proves His relevance.

 

[holycoper]

The duty of proving God existing is on the religious, not atheist. It is you coming with some book and telling me bout some sins and hell

 

[Vazelrr]

If god was real you would be chad

By your logic, faith should magically turn believers into Adam reincarnations overnight? Nonsense,God never promised you jawline genetics or height; He promised truth, salvation, and eternal life Being a Chad fades with age being aligned with God doesn’t. Better to be a humble believer in heaven than a ‘Adam’ burning in hell.

 

[Vazelrr]

It doesn't matter to any one in both cases

If it truly ‘doesn’t matter’ then why are civilizations, laws, and moral codes across history built on the assumption of God? why does your conscience sting when you betray trust or commit evil? saying it doesn’t matter is just intellectual laziness pretending the biggest question of existence has no consequences is the same as burying your head in the sand while the army marches in.

 

[Cessation]

By your logic, faith should magically turn believers into Adam reincarnations overnight? Nonsense,God never promised you jawline genetics or height; He promised truth, salvation, and eternal life Being a Chad fades with age being aligned with God doesn’t. Better to be a humble believer in heaven than a ‘Adam’ burning in hell.

Being Chad is better than whatever shit u said Dnr after 2nd sentence

 

[Vazelrr]

The duty of proving God existing is on the religious, not atheist. It is you coming with some book and telling me bout some sins and hell

Wrong,the duty isn’t one-sided. You claim no God exists, then defend it. Both are claims about reality,atheism hides behind this ‘burden of proof’ line as if it exempts them from explanation, but absence of belief is still a worldview; If I say there is a God, I bring evidence contingency, motion, morality, design. If you say there isn’t, then where does morality come from? Where does existence come from? What grounds truth and reason? If you can’t answer, then atheism is just borrowed meaning built on foundations you deny.

Atheists act like they’re standing on neutral ground;but they’re standing on stolen ground logic, morality, order all things that make sense only if God exists.

 

[holycoper]

Wrong,the duty isn’t one-sided. You claim no God exists, then defend it. Both are claims about reality,atheism hides behind this ‘burden of proof’ line as if it exempts them from explanation, but absence of belief is still a worldview; If I say there is a God, I bring evidence contingency, motion, morality, design. If you say there isn’t, then where does morality come from? Where does existence come from? What grounds truth and reason? If you can’t answer, then atheism is just borrowed meaning built on foundations you deny.

Atheists act like they’re standing on neutral ground;but they’re standing on stolen ground logic, morality, order all things that make sense only if God exists.

Who created God then

 

[Baldingman1998]

God exist 100% and the proof is that the elites or Jews or reptilians (whatever they are) believe in God and karma. That's why they use Hollywood to show and tell what they will do to you. In a way they are avoiding Gods punishment. Because by making you aware it's now become consentual suicide instead of killing the ignorant innocent.

 

[RapeAllFemales]

God exist 100% and the proof is that the elites or Jews or reptilians (whatever they are) believe in God and karma. That's why they use Hollywood to show and tell what they will do to you. In a way they are avoiding Gods punishment. Because by making you aware it's now become consentual suicide instead of killing the ignorant innocent.

god could definitely exist but he's not a creator just a sociopathic asshole who kills goyim at random i'm gnostic btw

 

[Baldingman1998]

god could definitely exist but he's not a creator just a sociopathic asshole who kills goyim at random i'm gnostic btw

Maybe. Because why would they go through the effort to tell us what they will do if they weren't afraid of God? Seems they know more about how God actually operates than all religions. This they do these rituals to avoid his punishment.

 

[Vazelrr]

The duty of proving God existing is on the religious, not atheist. It is you coming with some book and telling me bout some sins and hell

Who created God?’ is a category error God, by definition is the uncaused cause the necessary being that everything contingent relies onIf God needed a creator, He wouldn’t be God Asking ‘Who created God?’ is like asking ‘What does blue taste like?’ pure nonsense.

 

[holycoper]

Who created God?’ is a category error God, by definition is the uncaused cause the necessary being that everything contingent relies onIf God needed a creator, He wouldn’t be God Asking ‘Who created God?’ is like asking ‘What does blue taste like?’ pure nonsense.

Then why does our world and whole universe can't exist by the same logic? I mean why would universe have a creator

 

[Vazelrr]

God exist 100% and the proof is that the elites or Jews or reptilians (whatever they are) believe in God and karma. That's why they use Hollywood to show and tell what they will do to you. In a way they are avoiding Gods punishment. Because by making you aware it's now become consentual suicide instead of killing the ignorant innocent.

Belief isn’t proof Elites, politicians, and celebrities also believe in astrology, crystals and PR strategies that doesn’t make any of those things objectively true.
If anything the fact that powerful people exploit symbols, myths, and rituals shows how humans crave meaning not that those symbols are automatically realGod’s existence doesn’t rest on what shady elites believe;it rests on logic, contingency, and first cause Either a necessary being exists or it doesn’t and that’s a metaphysical question, not a Hollywood gossip column.

 

[quannnnnn]

Do you believe in laws of conservation of energy?

 

[g4rlic]

define God?

 

[Vazelrr]

god could definitely exist but he's not a creator just a sociopathic asshole who kills goyim at random i'm gnostic btw

“If God exists but is not a creator" then you’re just describing a very powerful being inside the universebnot God in the classical sense the definition of God in Christianity, Islam, Judaism, and even much of philosophy is the necessary, uncaused cause of everything that being can’t ‘kill at random’ like a petty tyrant inside creation because it’s the ground of existence itself.

What you’re describing sounds more like a demiurge or an archon from gnostic myths a lesser being Criticising that is fine, but it’s not the God that philosophers or the Bible are talking about If we’re going to debate,we should at least define terms properly.

 

[Vazelrr]

define God?

To define God clearly;God is the uncaused, necessary, eternal ground of existence itself not just a ‘big man in the sky,’ but the reason anything exists at all rather than nothing.

 

[Vazelrr]

Then why does our world and whole universe can't exist by the same logic? I mean why would universe have a creator

The universe can’t be its own explanation because it’s contingent it began, it changes, it depends on conditions outside itself science itself points to a beginning (Big Bang, entropy)Something that begins requires a cause;God is defined as the necessary, self-existent reality that doesn’t rely on anything else to exist that’s why He doesn’t need a creator, but the universe does.

 

[quannnnnn]

The universe can’t be its own explanation because it’s contingent it began, it changes, it depends on conditions outside itself science itself points to a beginning (Big Bang, entropy)Something that begins requires a cause;God is defined as the necessary, self-existent reality that doesn’t rely on anything else to exist that’s why He doesn’t need a creator, but the universe does.

Do you believe in the law of conservation of energy

 

[Vazelrr]

Do you believe in the law of conservation of energy

Yes, I believe in the laws of conservation of energy inside the universeBut those laws describe how things behave once the universe exists they don’t explain why the universe exists at all, Conservation of energy applies to closed systems in spacetime; it doesn’t apply to the act of creating spacetime itself.

In fact the universe’s total energy appears to sum near zero (positive matter vs negative gravity)which points to it being contingent not eternal,the question of why there’s a universe rather than nothing still stands and that’s where the concept of a necessary being (God) comes in;the laws of physics can’t explain their own origin

 

[quannnnnn]

Yes, I believe in the laws of conservation of energy inside the universeBut those laws describe how things behave once the universe exists they don’t explain why the universe exists at all, Conservation of energy applies to closed systems in spacetime; it doesn’t apply to the act of creating spacetime itself.

In fact the universe’s total energy appears to sum near zero (positive matter vs negative gravity)which points to it being contingent not eternal,the question of why there’s a universe rather than nothing still stands and that’s where the concept of a necessary being (God) comes in;the laws of physics can’t explain their own origin

"Once the universe exist" the universe is eternal,it wasnt created,it just exist here wwitout a start or an ending.And the laws of conservative of energy is the proof of that.Therefore it doesnt need a creator since it has always exist

 

[venom418]

If it truly ‘doesn’t matter’ then why are civilizations, laws, and moral codes across history built on the assumption of God? why does your conscience sting when you betray trust or commit evil? saying it doesn’t matter is just intellectual laziness pretending the biggest question of existence has no consequences is the same as burying your head in the sand while the army marches in.

It stings because we are advanced Superior beings with the most complex Brain ever
And we see whats happening,and we think I wouldn't want to be in that position, it's a selfish reason to prevent mutual destruction
Probably stings to other high iq animals like elephant and dolphin too
And that civilisation part isn't relevant at all

 

[venom418]

If it truly ‘doesn’t matter’ then why are civilizations, laws, and moral codes across history built on the assumption of God? why does your conscience sting when you betray trust or commit evil? saying it doesn’t matter is just intellectual laziness pretending the biggest question of existence has no consequences is the same as burying your head in the sand while the army marches in.

Also you're creating God of Gaps
What if we just don't know

 

[Vazelrr]

"Once the universe exist" the universe is eternal,it wasnt created,it just exist here wwitout a start or an ending.And the laws of conservative of energy is the proof of that.Therefore it doesnt need a creator since it has always exist

If you claim the universe is eternal, you’re just redefining it into the role of Godyou’ve turned the contingent into the necessary the problem is, the universe is full of change, entropy, and dependency all signs of something contingent, not necessary.the laws of conservation describe how energy behaves inside time but they don’t erase the deeper question: why does anything exist at all, rather than nothing? An eternal universe still requires a grounding for its existence, otherwise you’re just smuggling God in under the name ‘universe'

 

[quannnnnn]

If you claim the universe is eternal, you’re just redefining it into the role of Godyou’ve turned the contingent into the necessary the problem is, the universe is full of change, entropy, and dependency all signs of something contingent, not necessary.the laws of conservation describe how energy behaves inside time but they don’t erase the deeper question: why does anything exist at all, rather than nothing? An eternal universe still requires a grounding for its existence, otherwise you’re just smuggling God in under the name ‘universe'

Yes the universe is eternal,the base of it is just simply paryicles,energy and space.Also atoms contain energy and any kind of particles(elolectrons,protons,neutron,..) which is a part of atoms have the same ammount of energy.And since energy cant be created or destroyed,we can say that particles also cant be destroy or created.With 2 bases of the universe already eternal,if god exist can you explain to me how did he create space and before space is created,where do particles and energy exist?

 

[Panzram]

Too often;people sit in the safety of disbelief without pressure-testing their own reasoning,so let’s flip the table: drop your strongest arguments against God’s existence, and I’ll respond directly.

I Don’t expect vague ‘religion bad’ clichés to hold here I want real arguments,you say God doesn’t exist? Prove it,i’ll be waiting with counterfire

Can't prove a negative. Prove I don't have a 13 inch cock.

 

[quannnnnn]

If you claim the universe is eternal, you’re just redefining it into the role of Godyou’ve turned the contingent into the necessary the problem is, the universe is full of change, entropy, and dependency all signs of something contingent, not necessary.the laws of conservation describe how energy behaves inside time but they don’t erase the deeper question: why does anything exist at all, rather than nothing? An eternal universe still requires a grounding for its existence, otherwise you’re just smuggling God in under the name ‘universe'

Also if god is the universe,arent we a part of him and some of us are evil so he also have evil parts?

 

[Vazelrr]

Yes the universe is eternal,the base of it is just simply paryicles,energy and space.Also atoms contain energy and any kind of particles(elolectrons,protons,neutron,..) which is a part of atoms have the same ammount of energy.And since energy cant be created or destroyed,we can say that particles also cant be destroy or created.With 2 bases of the universe already eternal,if god exist can you explain to me how did he create space and before space is created,where do particles and energy exist?

Ah, so you appeal to particles, energy, and space as ‘eternal’ and use that to deny God, Let’s be precise: energy is conserved within the universe it doesn’t explain why the universe exists at all. Saying ‘particles and energy always existed’ doesn’t answer why there is something rather than nothing; it only pushes the question one step back.

If God exists as the uncaused necessary being he isn’t constrained by space, time, or energy He creates them. Asking ‘where did God exist before space’ is a category error: God doesn’t exist in space or time He creates them particles obey laws within the universe; God is the lawmaker.

So whether you appeal to atoms, energy, or space, all you’re doing is assuming a universe as self-explanatory. But self-explanatory contingent systems don’t exist every contingent thing requires a necessary foundation. That foundation is God.

 

[Vazelrr]

Also if god is the universe,arent we a part of him and some of us are evil so he also have evil parts?

No don't start twisting my words,I never said God is the universe you’re attacking a phantom you made upGod is the uncaused, necessary being who creates, sustains and governs the universe; He is outside it, not part of it. That’s like claiming a sculptor is identical to the clay he shapesthen blaming the sculptor for imperfections in the statue youve built a strawman, set it on fire, and are pretending you struck God Himself. Reality doesn’t bend to your imagination.

 

[slaters]

Don’t know what to believe

 

[Vazelrr]

Don’t know what to believe

Pascals wager;Eternity gained or eternity lost,choice is yours.

Imagine this~eternity is on the line one option guarantees infinite reward, the other risks infinite loss yet some proudly choose the gamble of disbelief. If God exists and you believe → infinite gain (heaven, fulfillment, eternal reward). If God exists and you don’t believe → infinite loss...

looksmax.org

 

[tyym1111]

i believe that something created us.
i dont believe in religion.

 

[slaters]

Pascals wager;Eternity gained or eternity lost,choice is yours.

Imagine this~eternity is on the line one option guarantees infinite reward, the other risks infinite loss yet some proudly choose the gamble of disbelief. If God exists and you believe → infinite gain (heaven, fulfillment, eternal reward). If God exists and you don’t believe → infinite loss...

looksmax.org

The problem is if you only believe out of fear or reward
How much do you truly believe ?

 

[Vazelrr]

The problem is if you only believe out of fear or reward
How much do you truly believe ?

I explained the fear factor in that thread;just read it, you don't have to rep it.

 

[slaters]

I explained the fear factor in that thread;just read it, you don't have to rep it.

I only read the first like 20 words I’ll read the rest

 

[Vazelrr]

Also you're creating God of Gaps
What if we just don't know

Ah,so now morality is just a byproduct of being ‘high IQ animals’ concerned with mutual destruction? Cute, but this reduces millennia of human civilization, law, philosophy, and ethical thought to evolutionary happenstance you admit the sting exists why Because even without God, you intuitively recognize order, trust, and cooperation as necessary for survival but notice the irony; atheism tries to say morality is purely biological or arbitrary, yet you instinctively follow moral patterns as if they matter civilization is relevant it’s the living proof that humans acting under perceived higher principles, build structures that survive centuries.

And as for your ‘we just don’t know’ dodge yes, maybe we don’t know everything but refusing to acknowledge God because of gaps in your knowledge is cowardice, not wisdomyou’re hiding behind uncertainty to avoid confronting the question that shapes reality itself.

 

[sphenocide]

no proof, u can’t see him hear him or even feel him, your brainwashed into believing he exists so you follow the religious morals and stay controlled

 

[quannnnnn]

Ah, so you appeal to particles, energy, and space as ‘eternal’ and use that to deny God, Let’s be precise: energy is conserved within the universe it doesn’t explain why the universe exists at all. Saying ‘particles and energy always existed’ doesn’t answer why there is something rather than nothing; it only pushes the question one step back.

If God exists as the uncaused necessary being he isn’t constrained by space, time, or energy He creates them. Asking ‘where did God exist before space’ is a category error: God doesn’t exist in space or time He creates them particles obey laws within the universe; God is the lawmaker.

So whether you appeal to atoms, energy, or space, all you’re doing is assuming a universe as self-explanatory. But self-explanatory contingent systems don’t exist every contingent thing requires a necessary foundation. That foundation is God.

So the cause of the universe is the laws of physics and the existence of matters and energy inside a space.I already proved that matters,energy and space is eternal so if god actually exist,he would be the one who made the laws.But the question is without the laws of physics,3 of those things wouldnt exist because their existence is also based off the laws.However,if god created the laws,then he is also the creator of everything but the fact that matters,energy and space are created also goes against the law of physics.So its logical to say that the universe is eternal and didnt have a creator.

 

[quannnnnn]

Ah,so now morality is just a byproduct of being ‘high IQ animals’ concerned with mutual destruction? Cute, but this reduces millennia of human civilization, law, philosophy, and ethical thought to evolutionary happenstance you admit the sting exists why Because even without God, you intuitively recognize order, trust, and cooperation as necessary for survival but notice the irony; atheism tries to say morality is purely biological or arbitrary, yet you instinctively follow moral patterns as if they matter civilization is relevant it’s the living proof that humans acting under perceived higher principles, build structures that survive centuries.

And as for your ‘we just don’t know’ dodge yes, maybe we don’t know everything but refusing to acknowledge God because of gaps in your knowledge is cowardice, not wisdomyou’re hiding behind uncertainty to avoid confronting the question that shapes reality itself.

And no,in case you say that the law only apply to spacetime,matters cannot exist where spacetime doesnt exist because if spacetime doesnt exist then space wont exist.And matters are thing we can feel,can have affect on us,a living organism inside space,a species that wont exist without the existience of space.Also if matters can exist in another world where spacetime and space doesnt exist,how did god move them to our universe.And yes we will never know the purpose of our existence,of this universe not because we are avoiding,but because we cant do anytuing about it.A "why" question will stop at a certain point because its out of our ability to think.

 

[venom418]

Big ass word salad with 0 couters
Just fancy language, trying to confirm what you already want to believe
Confirmation bias

Ah,so now morality is just a byproduct of being ‘high IQ animals’ concerned with mutual destruction? Cute, but this reduces millennia of human civilization, law, philosophy, and ethical thought to evolutionary happenstance you admit the sting exists why Because even without God, you intuitively recognize order, trust, and cooperation as necessary for survival but notice the irony; atheism tries to say morality is purely biological or arbitrary, yet you instinctively follow moral patterns as if they matter civilization is relevant it’s the living proof that humans acting under perceived higher principles, build structures that survive centuries.

And as for your ‘we just don’t know’ dodge yes, maybe we don’t know everything but refusing to acknowledge God because of gaps in your knowledge is cowardice, not wisdomyou’re hiding behind uncertainty to avoid confronting the question that shapes reality itself.

 

[venom418]

Big ass word salad with 0 couters
Just fancy language, trying to confirm what you already want to believe
Confirmation bias

Ah,so now morality is just a byproduct of being ‘high IQ animals’ concerned with mutual destruction? Cute, but this reduces millennia of human civilization, law, philosophy, and ethical thought to evolutionary happenstance you admit the sting exists why Because even without God, you intuitively recognize order, trust, and cooperation as necessary for survival but notice the irony; atheism tries to say morality is purely biological or arbitrary, yet you instinctively follow moral patterns as if they matter civilization is relevant it’s the living proof that humans acting under perceived higher principles, build structures that survive centuries.

And as for your ‘we just don’t know’ dodge yes, maybe we don’t know everything but refusing to acknowledge God because of gaps in your knowledge is cowardice, not wisdomyou’re hiding behind uncertainty to avoid confronting the question that shapes reality itself.