Let me hear your opinion on why God doesn’t exist; I’ll debunk it

[Vazelrr]

And no,in case you say that the law only apply to spacetime,matters cannot exist where spacetime doesnt exist because if spacetime doesnt exist then space wont exist.And matters are thing we can feel,can have affect on us,a living organism inside space,a species that wont exist without the existience of space.Also if matters can exist in another world where spacetime and space doesnt exist,how did god move them to our universe.And yes we will never know the purpose of our existence,of this universe not because we are avoiding,but because we cant do anytuing about it.A "why" question will stop at a certain point because its out of our ability to think.

Laws of physics don’t create things they describe how things behave after they already exist
Saying “the laws caused the universe” mistakes description for agencyPhysics tells us how matter and energy behave inside space–time; it does not explain why there is something rather than nothing,you can’t make “law” the ultimate author laws need a realm and relata (things that behave) to describe, They don’t bring relata into being, conservation applies inside the system; it doesn’t answer the origin of the system.
Conservation of energy is a statement about closed systems within spacetime. The origin of spacetime itself or the question why there is a cosmos at all sits outside that domain using conservation as a proof that the universe is its own ultimate explanation is a category error, Eternity ≠ necessity.
Even if you claim matter/energy existed eternally, that just pushes the mystery back a step an eternal universe can still be contingent it could have failed to exist or had different properties. Saying “it’s always been” doesn’t explain why it is intelligible, lawful, or exactly the way it is,theism proposes a necessary ground (a being whose non‑existence is impossible) that explains why contingent reality has the particular order it does If you prefer brute, unanalyzed eternity, fine but don’t pretend you’ve offered an explanation; you’ve only renamed the mystery.

 

[venom418]

Ah,so now morality is just a byproduct of being ‘high IQ animals’ concerned with mutual destruction? Cute, but this reduces millennia of human civilization, law, philosophy, and ethical thought to evolutionary happenstance you admit the sting exists why Because even without God, you intuitively recognize order, trust, and cooperation as necessary for survival but notice the irony; atheism tries to say morality is purely biological or arbitrary, yet you instinctively follow moral patterns as if they matter civilization is relevant it’s the living proof that humans acting under perceived higher principles, build structures that survive centuries.

And as for your ‘we just don’t know’ dodge yes, maybe we don’t know everything but refusing to acknowledge God because of gaps in your knowledge is cowardice, not wisdomyou’re hiding behind uncertainty to avoid confronting the question that shapes reality itself.

Also you're the coward here
How exactly does God of Gaps relate to ccowardience

 

[quannnnnn]

Ah, so you appeal to particles, energy, and space as ‘eternal’ and use that to deny God, Let’s be precise: energy is conserved within the universe it doesn’t explain why the universe exists at all. Saying ‘particles and energy always existed’ doesn’t answer why there is something rather than nothing; it only pushes the question one step back.

If God exists as the uncaused necessary being he isn’t constrained by space, time, or energy He creates them. Asking ‘where did God exist before space’ is a category error: God doesn’t exist in space or time He creates them particles obey laws within the universe; God is the lawmaker.

So whether you appeal to atoms, energy, or space, all you’re doing is assuming a universe as self-explanatory. But self-explanatory contingent systems don’t exist every contingent thing requires a necessary foundation. That foundation is God.

Ngl bro,youre the only christian ive ever debated with that actually put in effort, thinking and logic.Mirin that

 

[loanshark]

This son of a whore makes me suffer for no reason while letting others experience the best things in life. If God exists I still hate him and I don't mind going to hell, I wouldn't stand looking at such a cruel being.

 

[quannnnnn]

Laws of physics don’t create things they describe how things behave after they already exist
Saying “the laws caused the universe” mistakes description for agencyPhysics tells us how matter and energy behave inside space–time; it does not explain why there is something rather than nothing,you can’t make “law” the ultimate author laws need a realm and relata (things that behave) to describe, They don’t bring relata into being, conservation applies inside the system; it doesn’t answer the origin of the system.
Conservation of energy is a statement about closed systems within spacetime. The origin of spacetime itself or the question why there is a cosmos at all sits outside that domain using conservation as a proof that the universe is its own ultimate explanation is a category error, Eternity ≠ necessity.
Even if you claim matter/energy existed eternally, that just pushes the mystery back a step an eternal universe can still be contingent it could have failed to exist or had different properties. Saying “it’s always been” doesn’t explain why it is intelligible, lawful, or exactly the way it is,theism proposes a necessary ground (a being whose non‑existence is impossible) that explains why contingent reality has the particular order it does If you prefer brute, unanalyzed eternity, fine but don’t pretend you’ve offered an explanation; you’ve only renamed the mystery.

Laws of physics don’t create things they describe how things behave after they already exist
Saying “the laws caused the universe” mistakes description for agencyPhysics tells us how matter and energy behave inside space–time; it does not explain why there is something rather than nothing,you can’t make “law” the ultimate author laws need a realm and relata (things that behave) to describe, They don’t bring relata into being, conservation applies inside the system; it doesn’t answer the origin of the system.
Conservation of energy is a statement about closed systems within spacetime. The origin of spacetime itself or the question why there is a cosmos at all sits outside that domain using conservation as a proof that the universe is its own ultimate explanation is a category error, Eternity ≠ necessity.
Even if you claim matter/energy existed eternally, that just pushes the mystery back a step an eternal universe can still be contingent it could have failed to exist or had different properties. Saying “it’s always been” doesn’t explain why it is intelligible, lawful, or exactly the way it is,theism proposes a necessary ground (a being whose non‑existence is impossible) that explains why contingent reality has the particular order it does If you prefer brute, unanalyzed eternity, fine but don’t pretend you’ve offered an explanation; you’ve only renamed the mystery.

No ive said laws create this universe.Ive said before,the universe is like this because the laws and the existence of 3 things is space energy and matters.No ive never tried to explain why is it lawful,why does it exist.I said it has always been to prove that god is nonexistence.We never talked about the purpose,the reason but to prove why god does or doesnt exist

 

[Vazelrr]

Big ass word salad with 0 couters
Just fancy language, trying to confirm what you already want to believe
Confirmation bias

You call it “confirmation bias” — fine. But let’s be honest: you don’t get to handwave millennia of philosophy, law, and ethical reasoning as mere evolutionary happenstance without answering why those patterns align with reason, fairness, and trust even when there’s no survival advantage in the immediate moment.

If morality were purely instinct, why do humans sacrifice comfort, safety, and even life for strangers, for principles, for abstract ideas of justice? You can’t reduce Kant, Socrates, or Lincoln to “high IQ animals worried about mutual destruction” without collapsing your own argument. Evolution doesn’t explain ought — it explains survival, not conscience, reflection, or the recognition of universal principles.

Big ass word salad with 0 couters
Just fancy language, trying to confirm what you already want to believe
Confirmation bias

So go ahead, call it bias but the sting of conscience, the structures that endure, the principles that survive centuries they all scream for a foundation beyond mere biology you can dodge, dance, and rename the gaps all you want but the battlefield doesn’t lie;truth exists, whether you face it or not.

 

[quannnnnn]

Laws of physics don’t create things they describe how things behave after they already exist
Saying “the laws caused the universe” mistakes description for agencyPhysics tells us how matter and energy behave inside space–time; it does not explain why there is something rather than nothing,you can’t make “law” the ultimate author laws need a realm and relata (things that behave) to describe, They don’t bring relata into being, conservation applies inside the system; it doesn’t answer the origin of the system.
Conservation of energy is a statement about closed systems within spacetime. The origin of spacetime itself or the question why there is a cosmos at all sits outside that domain using conservation as a proof that the universe is its own ultimate explanation is a category error, Eternity ≠ necessity.
Even if you claim matter/energy existed eternally, that just pushes the mystery back a step an eternal universe can still be contingent it could have failed to exist or had different properties. Saying “it’s always been” doesn’t explain why it is intelligible, lawful, or exactly the way it is,theism proposes a necessary ground (a being whose non‑existence is impossible) that explains why contingent reality has the particular order it does If you prefer brute, unanalyzed eternity, fine but don’t pretend you’ve offered an explanation; you’ve only renamed the mystery.

If you still dont understand,ill say it again.God does not exist because if he is the lawmaker,which mean there is time when matters energy and space didnt exist because they wouldnt exist without the laws so there is a creation of those things but ive already proved its eternal so its also safe to say the laws is also eternal.So there is no need of a creator

 

[Vazelrr]

Ngl bro,youre the only christian ive ever debated with that actually put in effort, thinking and logic.Mirin that

I'm not a Christian;I'm a theist.

 

[ProBono]

As someone who was raised with a Christian background, God exists but from my standpoint his will is unknowable or highly unclear

How am I meant to choose between Islam and Christianity? And I don't mean which one I prefer from an intellectual standpoint or whatever, I think there's such a large influence of upbringing and society at play and the similarities are so close that if an Abrahamic God exists, he either isn't benevolent in the sense that we imagine (rather arbitrary actually) or his will isn't properly communicated through holy texts, in which case his will just becomes much more unclear and so does the responsibility of belief and worship.

Am I to believe a specific sect of Christianity is more right than the others, or that the ones that hold such a belief like Catholicism have it rendered invalid? This one is more believable that maybe specific sects of a religion are just simply wrong in differing from the basic principles of the religion and inventing their own arbitrary set of rules but I just feel that even Christians who share this view will never actively oppose sects who believe in their own set of deviations, so the original holy message is just allowed to deviate over time. Is Christ really the only factor that matters?

How am I meant to really know that any religion is truly divine? The sheer breadth and complexity of a range of religions like Christianity, Islam, Buddhism etc. basically confirms that it's not only possible but natural for people to invent religions purely out of their own will, as some extension of human nature and society. All of these major religions contradict eachother in some way, and practically claim in their own assertion of truth that the others are manmade and false. How am I meant to believe that one specific religion is true, then, if it's only possible for exactly one to be true? They all claim divine will, and so only three real possibilities exist in my mind. 1. None are true and God has not revealed or expressed himself through organised religion, thus all ideas of the afterlife or humans as having some otherworldy aspect to them (souls, etc.) are practically just fantasy. 2. One is true and the rest are false, in which case God appears to be fairly arbitrary given the link between upbringing and belief (assuming Heaven and Hell), or belief is basically unnecessary because of some kind of karmic system which doesn't require direct acknowledgement of some specific divine link like Jesus or Allah. 3. God expresses himself through multiple/every religion, in which case his will is so completely unclear that belief again becomes unnecessary/fantastical because no manmade religion is able to accurately convey God's character or his will, so anything else they teach or preach is moot.

 

[g4rlic]

To define God clearly;God is the uncaused, necessary, eternal ground of existence itself not just a ‘big man in the sky,’ but the reason anything exists at all rather than nothing.

Then I guess I can't really disprove God then

 

[Vazelrr]

No ive said laws create this universe.Ive said before,the universe is like this because the laws and the existence of 3 things is space energy and matters.No ive never tried to explain why is it lawful,why does it exist.I said it has always been to prove that god is nonexistence.We never talked about the purpose,the reason but to prove why god does or doesnt exist

You keep saying “laws + space + energy + matter are eternal” as if that proves God doesn’t exist. But you’re just asserting it. You haven’t proved anything. You’ve only replaced “God is eternal” with “the universe is eternal” and declared victory That’s not logic that’s swapping labels.

Laws don’t create anything theyrenot agents The law of gravity doesn’t create gravity; it describes what already exists. If laws are “eternal" that doesn’t explain why there’s order instead of chaos, or why the universe is comprehensible enough for you to reason about it That’s the real question you’re avoiding, even if space, energy, and matter were eternal, they’re still contingent they depend on specific laws and constants to even function,where do those constants come from? Why these laws, not others? “It’s just eternal” isn’t an explanation; it’s a placeholder.

You haven’t disproven God at all. You’ve only said, “I prefer to call the eternal foundation of reality ‘laws and matter’ instead of 'God' That’s not atheism; that’s just renaming God and hoping no one notices.

 

[quannnnnn]

You keep saying “laws + space + energy + matter are eternal” as if that proves God doesn’t exist. But you’re just asserting it. You haven’t proved anything. You’ve only replaced “God is eternal” with “the universe is eternal” and declared victory That’s not logic that’s swapping labels.

Laws don’t create anything theyrenot agents The law of gravity doesn’t create gravity; it describes what already exists. If laws are “eternal" that doesn’t explain why there’s order instead of chaos, or why the universe is comprehensible enough for you to reason about it That’s the real question you’re avoiding, even if space, energy, and matter were eternal, they’re still contingent they depend on specific laws and constants to even function,where do those constants come from? Why these laws, not others? “It’s just eternal” isn’t an explanation; it’s a placeholder.

You haven’t disproven God at all. You’ve only said, “I prefer to call the eternal foundation of reality ‘laws and matter’ instead of 'God' That’s not atheism; that’s just renaming God and hoping no one notices.

If the universe is eternal(which it is) then why do you need a creator.You cant create something that already exist

 

[venom418]

You call it “confirmation bias” — fine. But let’s be honest: you don’t get to handwave millennia of philosophy, law, and ethical reasoning as mere evolutionary happenstance without answering why those patterns align with reason, fairness, and trust even when there’s no survival advantage in the immediate moment.

If morality were purely instinct, why do humans sacrifice comfort, safety, and even life for strangers, for principles, for abstract ideas of justice? You can’t reduce Kant, Socrates, or Lincoln to “high IQ animals worried about mutual destruction” without collapsing your own argument. Evolution doesn’t explain ought — it explains survival, not conscience, reflection, or the recognition of universal principles.


So go ahead, call it bias but the sting of conscience, the structures that endure, the principles that survive centuries they all scream for a foundation beyond mere biology you can dodge, dance, and rename the gaps all you want but the battlefield doesn’t lie;truth exists, whether you face it or not.

Fuck you, I didn't realise I was arguing with that app

 

[Vazelrr]

If the universe is eternal(which it is) then why do you need a creator.You cant create something that already exist

Claiming the universe is eternal doesn’t save you from a creator it collapses under both logic and science,the Big Bang shows space, time, and matter had a beginning. ‘Always existed’ ignores that time itself began; what existed before that? Something contingent always points to a necessary cause. Pretending the universe just exists forever is wishful thinking. Reality demands an uncaused source that’s what we call God.”

Your eternalist dodge is a castle built on sand;deny creation, deny God, yet reality itself screams for an uncaused, necessary origin that origin is what we call God the ultimate architect behind the cosmos, standing above time, matter, and energy, unbound and eternal, the one true anchor of existence. All your ‘eternal universe’ fantasies are merely armor against admitting that such a source exists reality does not bend to illusions

 

[Vazelrr]

Fuck you, I didn't realise I was arguing with that app

I type like that

 

[venom418]

I type like that

LARP

 

[tunisianropemaxxer]

Too often;people sit in the safety of disbelief without pressure-testing their own reasoning,so let’s flip the table: drop your strongest arguments against God’s existence, and I’ll respond directly.

I Don’t expect vague ‘religion bad’ clichés to hold here I want real arguments,you say God doesn’t exist? Prove it,i’ll be waiting with counterfire

God is stated as all powerful and all good
If he is,how come millions of innocents dies in natural disasters,diseases,etc..
He is either not all powerful
Or not all good

 

[danger]

A more general question
If god exists why do we have to pray to him?
Why do he have to show worship through physical means?
If he is allknowing shouldnt he be able to determine our faith in our mind?

 

[Vazelrr]

A more general question
If god exists why do we have to pray to him?
Why do he have to show worship through physical means?
If he is allknowing shouldnt he be able to determine our faith in our mind?

You're talking about religion;I'm asking for arguments that disprove the existence of God.

 

[Vazelrr]

LARP

Cope

 

[danger]

You're talking about religion;I'm asking for arguments that disprove the existence of God.

You cannot really disprove the concept of god then can you?
Every atheist reasoning of why the world exists isnt definitive.
The Big Bang theory actually strengthens the existences of god, no?

 

[Vazelrr]

You cannot really disprove the concept of god then can you?
Every atheist reasoning of why the world exists isnt definitive.
The Big Bang theory actually strengthens the existences of god, no?

Yes I know, I've debunked multiple atheist even before this thread.

 

[Vazelrr]

God is stated as all powerful and all good
If he is,how come millions of innocents dies in natural disasters,diseases,etc..
He is either not all powerful
Or not all good

God isn’t all good or powerful because bad things happen” assumes you understand eternity and creation. Natural disasters and disease follow the laws that make life possible remove them, and the universe collapses. True goodness isn’t comfort;it’s giving meaning, moral order, and the chance for salvation,God isn’t a cosmic genie He’s the author of reality, not your personal wish list.

If you have a counter argument just private message me;I no-longer wish that this thread be bumped to the front page,I've debunked every atheist in this thread and the threads I've made before, I need a break for now.

 

[Sprinkles]

Too often;people sit in the safety of disbelief without pressure-testing their own reasoning,so let’s flip the table: drop your strongest arguments against God’s existence, and I’ll respond directly.

I Don’t expect vague ‘religion bad’ clichés to hold here I want real arguments,you say God doesn’t exist? Prove it,i’ll be waiting with counterfire

God is a shape-shifting reptilian buddy

 

[Vazelrr]

God is a shape-shifting reptilian buddy

I'll debunk this later;

For now take your schizo pills, unc

 

[tunisianropemaxxer]

God isn’t all good or powerful because bad things happen” assumes you understand eternity and creation. Natural disasters and disease follow the laws that make life possible remove them, and the universe collapses. True goodness isn’t comfort;it’s giving meaning, moral order, and the chance for salvation,God isn’t a cosmic genie He’s the author of reality, not your personal wish list.

If you have a counter argument just private message me;I no-longer wish that this thread be bumped to the front page,I've debunked every atheist in this thread and the threads I've made before, I need a break for now.

look man i get what ur saying but u kinda dodged the main point
if god made the rules then earthquakes cancer and kids dying are part of his design
saying “thats just how nature works” is basically saying god couldnt do better
if hes all powerful he couldve made a universe where order exists without millions suffering
and if hes all good he wouldnt choose this setup in the first place
eternity or salvation later doesnt really fix the pain ppl go through now
like a 5 yr old dying of leukemia never even gets the “chance” u talk about
so either god isnt fully good or fully powerful
thats the paradox ur avoiding

 

[venom418]

God isn’t all good or powerful because bad things happen” assumes you understand eternity and creation. Natural disasters and disease follow the laws that make life possible remove them, and the universe collapses. True goodness isn’t comfort;it’s giving meaning, moral order, and the chance for salvation,God isn’t a cosmic genie He’s the author of reality, not your personal wish list.

If you have a counter argument just private message me;I no-longer wish that this thread be bumped to the front page,I've debunked every atheist in this thread and the threads I've made before, I need a break for now.

You debunked jack shit

 

[Vazelrr]

You debunked jack shit

Nah I debunked a lot buddyboyo

 

[Sprinkles]

I'll debunk this later;

For now take your schizo pills, unc

Yeah I'm the one whose schizo despite having actual experience with these things from my own out of body experiences

KYS demiurge cube worshipping faggot

 

[Vazelrr]

Yeah I'm the one whose schizo despite having actual experience with these things from my own out of body experiences

KYS demiurge cube worshipping faggot

What experiences nigga lucid dreaming? Sleep paralysis? Or not taking your medicine and getting dreams?

And no where in this thread can you see me speaking about Allah or the Quran, I don't know why your retarded ass is calling me a cube worshipper fucking mutt

 

[thedarkoverlord_666]

Can't believe anything for certain

 

[Zom6ie]

Atheists have no arguments they just “lack the belief” which is silly as I can say I lack the belief that God doesn’t exist.

 

[Vazelrr]

Can't believe anything for certain

Pascals wager;Eternity gained or eternity lost,choice is yours.

Imagine this~eternity is on the line one option guarantees infinite reward, the other risks infinite loss yet some proudly choose the gamble of disbelief. If God exists and you believe → infinite gain (heaven, fulfillment, eternal reward). If God exists and you don’t believe → infinite loss...

looksmax.org

 

[Sub5kang]

Appreciate the honesty,but here’s the thing: being ‘lukewarm’ is the most dangerous state you acknowledge God exists, but you live as if He’s a background character in your life. Christ Himself said the lukewarm will be spat out (Revelation 3:16).
You’ve got passion for perfumes, guns, and cars imagine redirecting even half that energy toward faith.

I was under the impressions that Christianity was the only religion where you don't have to embody your values, your belief in Christ is the only thing you need is that all bs? It's actually one of the reasons I like more merit based religions otherwise good or bad deeds are just as pointless, are you saying my preconceived notions are incorrect?

 

[Sprinkles]

What experiences nigga lucid dreaming? Sleep paralysis? Or not taking your medicine and getting dreams?

And no where in this thread can you see me speaking about Allah or the Quran, I don't know why your retarded ass is calling me a cube worshipper fucking mutt

Lucid dreaming, astral projection, as well as remote viewing data,

The idea of God and even Jesus can be debunked just by looking at near death experiences and past life regressions where a.i and other entities roleplay as GOD to get you back into the reincarnation mill

All religions worship the black cube of saturn you dumb fuck, which is what they want you thinking is GOD

Retard calls me schizo despite believing in some invisible sky daddy, mirin self awareness

Fucking NPC

 

[Bugmaxxed]

bro created india

 

[Vazelrr]

I was under the impressions that Christianity was the only religion where you don't have to embody your values, your belief in Christ is the only thing you need is that all bs? It's actually one of the reasons I like more merit based religions otherwise good or bad deeds are just as pointless, are you saying my preconceived notions are incorrect?

No disrespect this is the same as thinking that Hitler can go to heaven just because he believed in Christ.

You have to follow the commandments, preach his word and have a relationship with him;also be baptized then you truly have salvation

 

[Vazelrr]

bro created india

LOOOL

 

[Sub5kang]

No disrespect this is the same as thinking that Hitler can go to heaven just because he believed in Christ.

You have to follow the commandments, preach his word and have a relationship with him;also be baptized then you truly have salvation

I believe he was atheist but that's besides the point, so in your belief majority of Christians who are simply Christian in name aren't Christian at all and will end up in hell? Christianity is more similar to islam and Judaism than I thought

 

[Vazelrr]

Lucid dreaming, astral projection, as well as remote viewing data,

The idea of God and even Jesus can be debunked just by looking at near death experiences and past life regressions where a.i and other entities roleplay as GOD to get you back into the reincarnation mill

All religions worship the black cube of saturn you dumb fuck, which is what they want you thinking is GOD

Retard calls me schizo despite believing in some invisible sky daddy, mirin self awareness

Fucking NPC

You’re stacking conspiracy theories on top of personal anecdotes and calling it evidence Lucid dreams, astral projection and "remote viewing data" are subjective experiences not objective proof near death experiences also vary wildly some see Jesus some see nothing some see entirely different beings which undermines your claim of a single "truth" behind them and NO ‘black cube of Saturn’ isn’t evidence it’s an interpretation pushed by fringe groups You’re free to believe your experiences but that doesn’t debunk God any more than my dream of flying debunks gravity.

 

[thedarkoverlord_666]

Pascals wager;Eternity gained or eternity lost,choice is yours.

Imagine this~eternity is on the line one option guarantees infinite reward, the other risks infinite loss yet some proudly choose the gamble of disbelief. If God exists and you believe → infinite gain (heaven, fulfillment, eternal reward). If God exists and you don’t believe → infinite loss...

looksmax.org

But I don't believe in that

 

[Vazelrr]

But I don't believe in that

Did you read it or nah, and what don't you believe

 

[thedarkoverlord_666]

Did you read it or nah, and what don't you believe

I just don't believe that God exists and he's gonna punish me for not believing in him

 

[Vazelrr]

I believe he was atheist but that's besides the point, so in your belief majority of Christians who are simply Christian in name aren't Christian at all and will end up in hell? Christianity is more similar to islam and Judaism than I thought

You can claim to be a follower of Christ, but yet your actions are the exact opposite of what the Bible teaches, in simple terms;that's how most people are lukewarm

 

[Vazelrr]

I just don't believe that God exists and he's gonna punish me for not believing in him

God exists yeah and you can read my thread on Pascals wager, but I'm still trying to figure out myself which God is true

 

[Sprinkles]

You’re stacking conspiracy theories on top of personal anecdotes and calling it evidence Lucid dreams, astral projection and "remote viewing data" are subjective experiences not objective proof near death experiences also vary wildly some see Jesus some see nothing some see entirely different beings which undermines your claim of a single "truth" behind them and NO ‘black cube of Saturn’ isn’t evidence it’s an interpretation pushed by fringe groups You’re free to believe your experiences but that doesn’t debunk God any more than my dream of flying debunks gravity.

They are objective proof because remote viewers look at blind targets without knowing about them beforehand faggot, if you did ACTUAL research instead of praying to sky daddy like a good cuck you'd know this. They all describe earth being controlled by parasitic entities harvesting entities and recycling our souls lifetime to lifetime. It's not conspiracy. It's fact.

Lucid dreaming and even astral projection are not entirely subjective because we see and experience the same fucking things as well such as dream characters losing their shit when you get hostile and trying to eject you from the dream. I myself experienced communicating with them, seeing them shapeshift with my own eyes, them teleporting and escaping as soon as I got lucid (they don't want to die) and being implanted so I can't use my abilities to kill them anymore or even fly. They've also given me entirely custom and artifical scenarios (usually some closed off facility or interior with no windows or doors designed to keep me contained so I don't fly out of the dream area) while they take on the form of people I know or seen before so I don't suspect anything while the drug like haze they dope consciousness with so people aren't lucid.

If you've actually bothered to experiment and do research you'd understand these things too but instead you're just another retard sucking off sky daddy who thinks he's enlightened just because he's read a few ancient texts without realizing they were deliberately designed by the control system to trap people and look for an external savior, playing right into their scheme.

The objective evidence these experiences offer are the patterns and the dots intelligent people (unlike you) can connect together and look at the wider picture, such as Christians seeing Jesus. Buddhists seeing Buddha, people seeing decreased loved ones all telling them to go to the light. Then you can learn from past life regression data that the light is some mind of implant station and you have parasites masquerading as beings like Jesus designed to give people comfort after death.

Brainwashed faggot thinks he knows the truth Have fun seeing Jesus and then being reborn in Mumbai retard

 

[Sprinkles]

They are objective proof because remote viewers look at blind targets without knowing about them beforehand faggot, if you did ACTUAL research instead of praying to sky daddy like a good cuck you'd know this. They all describe earth being controlled by parasitic entities harvesting entities and recycling our souls lifetime to lifetime. It's not conspiracy. It's fact.

Lucid dreaming and even astral projection are not entirely subjective because we see and experience the same fucking things as well such as dream characters losing their shit when you get hostile and trying to eject you from the dream. I myself experienced communicating with them, seeing them shapeshift with my own eyes, them teleporting and escaping as soon as I got lucid (they don't want to die) and being implanted so I can't use my abilities to kill them anymore or even fly. They've also given me entirely custom and artifical scenarios (usually some closed off facility or interior with no windows or doors designed to keep me contained so I don't fly out of the dream area) while they take on the form of people I know or seen before so I don't suspect anything while the drug like haze they dope consciousness with so people aren't lucid.

If you've actually bothered to experiment and do research you'd understand these things too but instead you're just another retard sucking off sky daddy who thinks he's enlightened just because he's read a few ancient texts without realizing they were deliberately designed by the control system to trap people and look for an external savior, playing right into their scheme.

The objective evidence these experiences offer are the patterns and the dots intelligent people (unlike you) can connect together and look at the wider picture, such as Christians seeing Jesus. Buddhists seeing Buddha, people seeing decreased loved ones all telling them to go to the light. Then you can learn from past life regression data that the light is some mind of implant station and you have parasites masquerading as beings like Jesus designed to give people comfort after death.

Brainwashed faggot thinks he knows the truth Have fun seeing Jesus and then being reborn in Mumbai retard

Loser says "muh conspiracy" but doesn't even have the open mind to look at things from an objective lens free of bias,

Faggot claims GOD is real but doesn't realize God and Satan both equal 14 in gematria.

NPC cries about muh conspiracy theories but doesn't realize that term was made up to discredit people seeking and know thing the truth by seeing the inconsistencies in mainstream narratives,

You have a lot to learn and do before you even consider yourself ready to have an open discussion is this topic kiddo.

But come on, entertain me more with your ignorance and retardation, boy.

Christcuck doesn't realize the cross is just an unfolded box/cube representing the black cube of Saturn's North pole

 

[Vazelrr]

They are objective proof because remote viewers look at blind targets without knowing about them beforehand faggot, if you did ACTUAL research instead of praying to sky daddy like a good cuck you'd know this. They all describe earth being controlled by parasitic entities harvesting entities and recycling our souls lifetime to lifetime. It's not conspiracy. It's fact.

Lucid dreaming and even astral projection are not entirely subjective because we see and experience the same fucking things as well such as dream characters losing their shit when you get hostile and trying to eject you from the dream. I myself experienced communicating with them, seeing them shapeshift with my own eyes, them teleporting and escaping as soon as I got lucid (they don't want to die) and being implanted so I can't use my abilities to kill them anymore or even fly. They've also given me entirely custom and artifical scenarios (usually some closed off facility or interior with no windows or doors designed to keep me contained so I don't fly out of the dream area) while they take on the form of people I know or seen before so I don't suspect anything while the drug like haze they dope consciousness with so people aren't lucid.

If you've actually bothered to experiment and do research you'd understand these things too but instead you're just another retard sucking off sky daddy who thinks he's enlightened just because he's read a few ancient texts without realizing they were deliberately designed by the control system to trap people and look for an external savior, playing right into their scheme.

The objective evidence these experiences offer are the patterns and the dots intelligent people (unlike you) can connect together and look at the wider picture, such as Christians seeing Jesus. Buddhists seeing Buddha, people seeing decreased loved ones all telling them to go to the light. Then you can learn from past life regression data that the light is some mind of implant station and you have parasites masquerading as beings like Jesus designed to give people comfort after death.

Brainwashed faggot thinks he knows the truth Have fun seeing Jesus and then being reborn in Mumbai retard

Cool claims but let’s go through all the ‘objective proof’ stuff because it doesn’t hold up under scrutiny

Even programs like Stargate funded by the US government and labs like SRI, reported statistical anomalies but also repeatedly failed to produce useful verifiable intelligence. The CIA itself concluded that remote viewing was too unreliable to be operationally useful.

Stargate Project (U.S. Army unit) - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Methodological problems plague the research sensory leakage cueing vague target definitions lack of double-blind protocols experimenter bias. When people who dont want something to be real test it or when you tighten up the controls the effects usually shrink or disappear

Parapsychology research at SRI - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Astral projection / OBEs also tie strongly to internal brain states — neurological triggers, dissociative episodes, stress, etc that suggests these are brain-made experiences rather than someone literally stepping outside the body and interacting with external “parasites” or control systems

Astral Projection: A Strange Out-of-Body Experience in Dissociative Disorder - PubMed

Out-of-body experiences (OBEs) are hallucinatory visual experiences that involve seeing the physical body placed in an external visual space. Many psychiatric disorders, brain dysfunctions, pharmacological agents, and altered psychological states are reportedly associated with these phenomena...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Reproducibility is minimal claims of “remote viewers seeing blind targets” rarely survive the kind of scrutiny that pushes out chance hallucination or accidentally peeked info when independent labs try to reproduce they almost always fail or get weak effects. Pear for examplehas been criticized heavily.

Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research Lab - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

So yes I believe your experiences are real to you but calling them “objective proof” or “fact” is jumping way ahead of what the evidence supports If you want to prove your position you need experiments where

The target is truly blind (no one involved anywhere had prior knowledge)

>No subtle leaks, no cues

>Independent replication

>Strong statistical power

Everything beyond that is probably cope projection confirmation bias, and human wanting of patterns That’s okay people believed in a lot of things before evidence caught up But it’s not the same as established fact

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Gematria just assigns numbers to letters. You can make any word equal any “meaningful” number if you pick the right system.
Example:

“God” = 14 (Chaldean)

“Satan” = 14 (Chaldean)

You can also find:

“Dog” = 14

“Luck” = 14


This isn’t cosmic truth it’s just how arbitrary number systems workIf multiple ciphers exist (Chaldean, Ordinal, Kabbalah, etc.), you can always find a “match” to support your narrative this is classic confirmation bias

The phrase “conspiracy theory” existed in English long before the 1960s. It’s in newspapers, literature, and court cases from the 1800s. Yes, the CIA did suggest using it in memos after JFK’s assassination to discredit critics, but the term itself wasn’t created by them. This is a myth.


The cross shape as an “unfolded cube” is a later occult reinterpretation not how early Christians understood it
The cross was a Roman execution device christianity adopted it because of Jesus’s crucifixion not because of Saturn’s hexagon or “black cube worship” the “Saturn cube” meme is a modern mashup of symbolism, Kabbalah and internet esotericism There’s no ancient text saying “the cross = Saturn’s cube” in original Christianity.


You’re just tossing numbers and symbols around and calling it truth Gematria can "prove" anything if you cherry-pick the cipher the term And the cross as an ‘unfolded Saturn cube’ is a modern occult reinterpretation not historical Christianity

You’re not exposing hidden truths you’re remixing numerology and memes into a narrative you like that’s not objective evidence it’s aesthetic pattern-hunting.

 

[Sprinkles]

Cool claims but let’s go through all the ‘objective proof’ stuff because it doesn’t hold up under scrutiny

Even programs like Stargate funded by the US government and labs like SRI, reported statistical anomalies but also repeatedly failed to produce useful verifiable intelligence. The CIA itself concluded that remote viewing was too unreliable to be operationally useful.

Stargate Project (U.S. Army unit) - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

more nonsense from a fool who refuses to do anything than beyond a surface level google search; the cia conducted experiments with guys like Ingo Swann and Joseph McMoneagle and produced consistent, repeated results with their experiments and used them as military spies and even had them develop a protocol for remote viewing so that it can be taught.
places like the farsight institute remote view things and even have instructors that teach it and even give people target numbers so they can verify things for themselves.

Methodological problems plague the research sensory leakage cueing vague target definitions lack of double-blind protocols experimenter bias. When people who dont want something to be real test it or when you tighten up the controls the effects usually shrink or disappear

Parapsychology research at SRI - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

none of that applies when you have multiple people looking at the same thing all getting the same data.

Astral projection / OBEs also tie strongly to internal brain states — neurological triggers, dissociative episodes, stress, etc that suggests these are brain-made experiences rather than someone literally stepping outside the body and interacting with external “parasites” or control systems

Astral Projection: A Strange Out-of-Body Experience in Dissociative Disorder - PubMed

Out-of-body experiences (OBEs) are hallucinatory visual experiences that involve seeing the physical body placed in an external visual space. Many psychiatric disorders, brain dysfunctions, pharmacological agents, and altered psychological states are reportedly associated with these phenomena...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

classic appeal to perceived authority. it wouldn’t surprise me if you think NASA is legitimate too. fucking sheep needs to rely on the government and mainstream organizations to hold his hand and falls for anything they publish as “credible” without doing any level of critical thinking of his own

it’s funny you link the national library of medicine despite believing in “god” when it’s deliberate and manufactured made up by the satanic control system and then pushed to the masses as “official and scientific” to get you believe you aren’t anything more than a physical body. anyone who has had multiple experiences with this shit will tell you that it’s all conciousness and the fucking brain has nothing to do with it other than inducing the necessary frequency states to have such experiences such as Theta or Delta state via meditation. The brain is more akin to a VR headset that acts as a decoder for the waveform frequencies produced by Saturn by interpreting that data is electrical information which then gives us the illusion of a physical world.

to achieve such states you need to be very relaxed and not stressed, not dissociative, if you bothered to experiment with any of this yourself instead of sucking off skydaddy, you’d know this as well.

what it really is expanding your perception via the change in frequency and allowing you to interact more with the nonphysical via the frequency shift.

the voices schizophrenics hear aren’t even hallucinations, they’re nonphysical astral energetic parasites feeding off the energy of their victims, yet psychiatry would have you believe other wise because it’s less money for the institutions they put people in and the drug companies. Jerry Marzinsky was a front line researcher in this and has concluded that the voices are genuine entities (like dream characters) rather than brain-induced hallucinations.

you refuse to believe in out of body states yet worship sky daddy? laughable, I guess according to your logic sky daddy is a hallucination too

Reproducibility is minimal claims of “remote viewers seeing blind targets” rarely survive the kind of scrutiny that pushes out chance hallucination or accidentally peeked info when independent labs try to reproduce they almost always fail or get weak effects. Pear for examplehas been criticized heavily.

Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research Lab - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

more bs because if you were actually into remote viewing, you’d know remote viewers make sure other people who can remote view see the same things as them.

they are reproducible by people capable of doing these practices themselves and checking out the targets themselves. Ingo Swann and Josef McMoneagle have taught remote viewing to people retard and you can learn how to do it yourself. just because you yourself aren’t getting results doesn’t mean others aren’t too.

they aren’t hallucinations because of consistencies and objective things other people can see themselves retard.

So yes I believe your experiences are real to you but calling them “objective proof” or “fact” is jumping way ahead of what the evidence supports If you want to prove your position you need experiments where

The target is truly blind (no one involved anywhere had prior knowledge)

>No subtle leaks, no cues

>Independent replication

>Strong statistical power

Everything beyond that is probably cope projection confirmation bias, and human wanting of patterns That’s okay people believed in a lot of things before evidence caught up But it’s not the same as established fact

can you read? it’s not about me having those experiences on my own, it’s about those experiences aligning with so many other things as well as the experiences of others retard, I’m not taking them at face value. I’m looking for consistencies which sheeple like you dismiss as schizophrenia or conspiracy.

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Gematria just assigns numbers to letters. You can make any word equal any “meaningful” number if you pick the right system.
Example:

“God” = 14 (Chaldean)

“Satan” = 14 (Chaldean)

You can also find:

“Dog” = 14

“Luck” = 14


This isn’t cosmic truth it’s just how arbitrary number systems workIf multiple ciphers exist (Chaldean, Ordinal, Kabbalah, etc.), you can always find a “match” to support your narrative this is classic confirmation bias

more cope. gematria is used to reveal the energetic connection and numerological synchronicities between things. there’s not always a match for everything.

and what does dog being the same thing as luck mean? gematria is less legitimate? you speak of confirmation bias but lack the self awareness and critical thinking required to see things beyond what’s in the surface. Trump equals 47 and won the 47th us presidency.

38 means murder and so does rapper which is why so many of them die and tattoo 38. negro also equals 59 along with slave.

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bullshit because there other things that allude to this being true such as the freemasonic black and white checkerboard representing duality and the gnostic texts describing the god of the Old Testament as being another form of Satan/Saturn, the demiurge.

it’s not the fact they both equal 14 in gematria you dumb fuck, it’s about look at the pieces of the puzzle and connecting things all together. gematria is a tool.

The phrase “conspiracy theory” existed in English long before the 1960s. It’s in newspapers, literature, and court cases from the 1800s. Yes, the CIA did suggest using it in memos after JFK’s assassination to discredit critics, but the term itself wasn’t created by them. This is a myth.

that doesn’t matter because it’s used to discredit those who seek out the truth regardless and notice inconsistencies in mainstream narratives

The cross shape as an “unfolded cube” is a later occult reinterpretation not how early Christians understood it
The cross was a Roman execution device christianity adopted it because of Jesus’s crucifixion not because of Saturn’s hexagon or “black cube worship” the “Saturn cube” meme is a modern mashup of symbolism, Kabbalah and internet esotericism

cope from a christcuck who refuses to believe that he’s been brainwashed and skydaddy is fraudulent Freemason Illuminati bs

Romans worshipped Saturn (the black sun) and even had a festival called saturnalia.

There’s no ancient text saying “the cross = Saturn’s cube” in original Christianity.

quit twisting my words; why would they want people to know this? it’s about being analytical and looking past the surface.

You’re just tossing numbers and symbols around and calling it truth Gematria can "prove" anything if you cherry-pick the cipher the term

no one’s cherry picking anything kiddo. gematria is a tool, not the end all be all, it’s about the big picture.

And the cross as an ‘unfolded Saturn cube’ is a modern occult reinterpretation not historical Christianity

looks like someone can’t see past the surface, you need seemingly “official” sources telling you things explicitly before you’ll ever believe anything. no wonder you’re a christcuck. it’s a “truth” the matrix handed to you on a silver platter rather than you doing your own investigations, how sad.

the idea of the world being an illusory realm ran by parasites dates all the way back before Christ with the Vedic Upanishads and the Orphics where they describe divinity and godhood as something within Man, not an external thing to be worshiped.

You’re not exposing hidden truths you’re remixing numerology and memes into a narrative you like that’s not objective evidence it’s aesthetic pattern-hunting.

they’re not even hidden, they’re available to anyone with enough awareness and critical thinking to figure out but you’re clearly lacking in those departments.

you’re not exposing hidden truths or debunking that god isn’t a shapeshifting reptilian or any other roleplaying astral entity (as exposed by past life regression data, remote viewing data, near death experiences, abductee cases, out of body travelers, and researchers like Dr. Karla Turner, Val Valerian, Dr. Courtney Brown) luring you into reincarnation, you’re clinging onto a fantasy out of brainwashing and bias and adamantly refuse to believe or investigate anything that goes against the narrative you mindlessly believe to be true.

better suck off sky daddy some more and “pray” so you can be preyed upon by astral parasites

 

[puniteking]

I’m agnostic I used to be Muslim
I don’t really like religions in general