Lets create a theory of harmony buddy boyos

[Deleted member 5892]

Lets try to understand which features go well together and the ones who don't
whos with me?
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@thecel
@Preston

 

[HerpDerpson]

Harmony is just ratios, no?

 

[Deleted member 5892]

Harmony is just ratios, no?

idk bro im trying to understand

 

[Deleted member 15854]

i think that equal facial third is one of most important but idk, im iqcel tbhjeffrey to Adonisssssss smoking Hamza pack everyday

 

[Deleted member 17791]

Harmony is when most of your traits are around as good.

A harmonious face would have traits that are similar quality all across the board while an unharmonious face would have lots of really good and bad traits mixed in.

The idea is that a guy with only normal individual traits and no good or bad traits is better looking overall than a guy with a good jaw but shit eyes.

Basically, consistency in all your traits.

 

[Deleted member 20471]

lets create a thread of something which doesnt exist

 

[Deleted member 5892]

lets create a thread of something which doesnt exist

Me : "explain how someone can have perfect features according to PSL, perfect ratios and still shitty harmony"
Others: "harmony is about how everything fits together"
Others: "harmony doesn't exist"

I think its time to choose which one is true

 

[6ft4]

I consider harmony as something that's pleasing to look at without necessarily being able to instantly pinpoint the reason why
Like the face isn't getting carried by one spectacular trait but everything seems to be above average and fits nicely together
This is just my loose definition of harmony rather than an explanation on what creates it

 

[Deleted member 17791]

Me : "explain how someone can have perfect features according to PSL, perfect ratios and still shitty harmony"
Others: "harmony is about how everything fits together"
Others: "harmony doesn't exist"

I think its time to choose which one is true

having perfect ratios means you have great harmony bro. It means every trait is ideal size.

 

[Deleted member 20471]

Me : "explain how someone can have perfect features according to PSL, perfect ratios and still shitty harmony"
Others: "harmony is about how everything fits together"
Others: "harmony doesn't exist"

I think its time to choose which one is true

i mean harmony exists but it refers to ratios and proportions so why dont just say ratios and proportions

 

[Deleted member 5892]

Harmony is when most of your traits are around as good.

A harmonious face would have traits that are similar quality all across the board while an unharmonious face would have lots of really good and bad traits mixed in.

The idea is that a guy with only normal individual traits and no good or bad traits is better looking overall than a guy with a good jaw but shit eyes.

Basically, consistency in all your traits.

WOuldnt that make a face look average ?
When you look at faces with high consistency, but no real strong halos it gives you a normie looking face (ill send u an example)

 

[Deleted member 17791]

I consider harmony as something that's pleasing to look at without necessarily being able to instantly pinpoint the reason why
Like the face isn't getting carried by one spectacular trait but everything seems to be above average and fits nicely together
This is just my loose definition of harmony rather than an explanation on what creates it

That's just a proportional face. IE. good ratios.

 

[Deleted member 5892]

i mean harmony exists but it refers to ratios and proportions so why dont just say ratios and proportions

because its not ratios.

 

[Deleted member 5892]

I consider harmony as something that's pleasing to look at without necessarily being able to instantly pinpoint the reason why
Like the face isn't getting carried by one spectacular trait but everything seems to be above average and fits nicely together
This is just my loose definition of harmony rather than an explanation on what creates it

exactly. For example, a very narrow nose harmonizes better with thin lips than with narrow lips, etc
Harmony is more than just the basic ratios that we already know of

 

[Deleted member 5892]

having perfect ratios means you have great harmony bro. It means every trait is ideal size.

some guys with perfect ratios look bad

 

[Aesthetics_III]

drop two pictures of someone with good harmony and someone with shit harmony

 

[sub5inchcel]

its decent proportions and features combined with masculinazation and stuff like eyebrows and pheno and coloring

 

[Deleted member 17791]

WOuldnt that make a face look average ?
When you look at faces with high consistency, but no real strong halos it gives you a normie looking face (ill send u an example)

I know what you're referring to.

The face doesn't look normal,


Normal


Average


An average face how zero flaws, it mogs any guy off the street. That's what makes you chad, having a mathematically average face.

That's the base of what makes someone beautiful, not individual traits. Once you have this, you're automatically a chad, if you have great individual traits on top of this, A10 hunter eyes, full red lips, sharp zygos etc. you'll become gigachad.

Having lots of striking traits on a shit unproportional face doesn't make you chad, it makes you uncanny or weird looking at worst and just kind of ugly at best.

 

[Deleted member 17791]

drop two pictures of someone with good harmony and someone with shit harmony

Good harmony


bad harmony

 

[Deleted member 17791]

some guys with perfect ratios look bad

post examples then

 

[Deleted member 5892]

drop two pictures of someone with good harmony and someone with shit harmony

ok.
Good harmony:

bad harmony:

 

[Deleted member 5892]

I know what you're referring to.

The face doesn't look normal,


Normal
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Average
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An average face how zero flaws, it mogs any guy off the street. That's what makes you chad, having a mathematically average face.

That's the base of what makes someone beautiful, not individual traits. Once you have this, you're automatically a chad, if you have great individual traits on top of this, A10 hunter eyes, full red lips, sharp zygos etc. you'll become gigachad.

Having lots of striking traits on a shit unproportional face doesn't make you chad, it makes you uncanny or weird looking at worst and just kind of ugly at best.

Women rated this guys face 6/10 Ive done experiments. Hes HTN to women
nah the "normal" guy is ugly legit 2/10 to women

 

[Deleted member 17791]

Women rated this guys face 6/10 Ive done experiments. Hes HTN to women
nah the "normal" guy is ugly legit 2/10 to women

which guy?

 

[Deleted member 5892]

which guy?

the "average white american male" that guy got rated 6/10 on average by foids jfl

 

[Deleted member 5892]

its decent proportions and features combined with masculinazation and stuff like eyebrows and pheno and coloring

i think it might be pheno tbh

 

[Deleted member 17791]

the "average white american male" that guy got rated 6/10 on average by foids jfl

You showed them a computer generated image and asked for a rate? You can't really do that and get an accurate answer. Women lie through their teeth about this stuff. You have to use dating apps to get their actual thoughts.

 

[Deleted member 5892]

You showed them a computer generated image and asked for a rate? You can't really do that and get an accurate answer. Women lie through their teeth about this stuff. You have to use dating apps to get their actual thoughts.

yea but why did they rate chico 8-9/10 then ? I created polls on girlsaskguys the girls there are blackpilled im not kidding theyre brutal asf
I was actually surprised

 

[Deleted member 20471]

because its not ratios.

it is you moron otherwise post an example

 

[Deleted member 17791]

yea but why did they rate chico 8-9/10 then ? I created polls on girlsaskguys the girls there are blackpilled im not kidding theyre brutal asf
I was actually surprised

I guess they could be more reliable if say they're anonymous.

Did you know the girl you asked?

I would have rated the morph a 7/10.

So That's not even a large deviation.

 

[Deleted member 5892]

it is you moron otherwise post an example

I just posted an example and dont fucking call me a moron give real arguments dont repeat what youve seen on this site like a fucking drone
Keanu reeves has bad ratios (long midface, low ipd) and looked good in his prime
Barrett looks like shit with perfect ratios

 

[Aesthetics_III]

ok.
Good harmony:

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bad harmony:

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Okay. Would you say Barrett looks more harmonious in this pic

then in this

Good harmony
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bad harmony
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This isn’t really harmony imo bieber has far better bones and features then him

 

[Deleted member 5892]

I guess they could be more reliable if say they're anonymous.

Did you know the girl you asked?

I would have rated the morph a 7/10.

So That's not even a large deviation.

i dndt know them but they were in their early 20s
they rated brutally and they were very honest, not virtue signaling

 

[Deleted member 5892]

Okay. Would you say Barrett looks more harmonious in this pic

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then in this

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This isn’t really harmony imo bieber has far better bones and features then him

yeah he definitely does. But his ratios are the same it means its not ratios then

 

[Deleted member 17791]

I just posted an example and dont fucking call me a moron give real arguments dont repeat what youve seen on this site like a fucking drone
Keanu reeves has bad ratios (long midface, low ipd) and looked good in his prime
Barrett looks like shit with perfect ratios

Reeves has good ratios. This forum is wrong about what many of the ideal ratios are, which is the cause of the PSL autism.

 

[Deleted member 5892]

Reeves has good ratios. This forum is wrong about what many of the ideal ratios are, which is the cause of the PSL autism.

nah Reeves has a 0.9 midface ratio and his ES ratio is like 0.43. Both out of range
Same for his FWHR and facial index. Theyre out of range

 

[Deleted member 17791]

i dndt know them but they were in their early 20s
they rated brutally and they were very honest, not virtue signaling

Don't women rate most men 2-3/10?



5/10 isn't even 50th percentile.

So a 6/10 rating should mean 82nd percentile or something. He would be the middle column of the graph

 

[Ceo of cope]

thing is figuring out harmony would take machine learning/computers to acc learn, because humans are way too short sighted espec for something we already have lots of built in biases on (the human face). You guys forget that there are billions of possible ratios, even besides the usual stuff like midface, es ratio etc. LIke there may be some wild shit like pfl to jaw angle divided by the square of malar prominence factor times 50 that has major effect on harmony. Some STEMcel needs to run 1000s of people that have average ish features but good harmony through a machine learning system to try and get results.

 

[Ceo of cope]

Don't women rate most men 2-3/10?

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5/10 isn't even 50th percentile.

So a 6/10 rating should mean 82nd percentile or something. He would be the middle column of the graph

even though that distribution could work irl aswell we should'nt take that survey as gospell since it uses okcupid men from a certain tmie period (who were probably all soys) as it's only dataset.

 

[Deleted member 17791]

nah Reeves has a 0.9 midface ratio and his ES ratio is like 0.43. Both out of range
Same for his FWHR and facial index. Theyre out of range

Mid face ratio of 0.9 isn't that bad.

Yeah I guess his eyes aren't that good.

But the ideal isn't a wide face it should be oval. Having a moon face like barret is PSL autism.

 

[Deleted member 5892]

Don't women rate most men 2-3/10?

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5/10 isn't even 50th percentile.

So a 6/10 rating should mean 82nd percentile or something. He would be the middle column of the graph

yeah they do
The average white american male composite isnt statistically average, but hes neutral to look at. Thats what I mean by average

 

[Deleted member 20471]

I just posted an example and dont fucking call me a moron give real arguments dont repeat what youve seen on this site like a fucking drone
Keanu reeves has bad ratios (long midface, low ipd) and looked good in his prime
Barrett looks like shit with perfect ratios

again you are insanely stupid im not repeating anything reeves in that gif looks decent because he has an acceptable eye area and not a single big failo even the long midface isnt noticeable barrett looks like a baby lesbian because he is very bloated and thus it messes up with his ratios and even when he's lean he doesn't have ideal ratios his eye area and pheno is just outstanding and that's why he's considered to be good looking

 

[Ceo of cope]

thing is figuring out harmony would take machine learning/computers to acc learn, because humans are way too short sighted espec for something we already have lots of built in biases on (the human face). You guys forget that there are billions of possible ratios, even besides the usual stuff like midface, es ratio etc. LIke there may be some wild shit like pfl to jaw angle divided by the square of malar prominence factor times 50 that has major effect on harmony. Some STEMcel needs to run 1000s of people that have average ish features but good harmony through a machine learning system to try and get results.

I think this is already utilized in every branch of aesthetic design/modeling, like cars, consumer goods, electronics, paintings, homes etc

 

[Deleted member 5892]

Mid face ratio of 0.9 isn't that bad.

Yeah I guess his eyes aren't that good.

But the ideal isn't a wide face it should be oval. Having a moon face like barret is PSL autism.
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0.9 is considered death tier for most people. This is what chico looks like with a 0.9 ratio

so basically you're going against what is commonly assumed to be true on this site. A 1.9 FWHR is seen as ideal on this site, but Reeves is out of range, once again. Proving that harmony cant (at least only) be about ratios

 

[Deleted member 5892]

thing is figuring out harmony would take machine learning/computers to acc learn, because humans are way too short sighted espec for something we already have lots of built in biases on (the human face). You guys forget that there are billions of possible ratios, even besides the usual stuff like midface, es ratio etc. LIke there may be some wild shit like pfl to jaw angle divided by the square of malar prominence factor times 50 that has major effect on harmony. Some STEMcel needs to run 1000s of people that have average ish features but good harmony through a machine learning system to try and get results.

just build the most powerful AI on earth to ascend theory over for me

 

[Deleted member 5892]

again you are insanely stupid im not repeating anything reeves in that gif looks decent because he has an acceptable eye area and not a single big failo even the long midface isnt noticeable barrett looks like a baby lesbian because he is very bloated and thus it messes up with his ratios and even when he's lean he doesn't have ideal ratios his eye area and pheno is just outstanding and that's why he's considered to be good looking

jfl youre literally proving my point that harmony isnt about ratios. You mentionned eye area and facial bodyfat
barrett is only considered to be good looking on this site (by gays aspies)

 

[Deleted member 17791]

even though that distribution could work irl aswell we should'nt take that survey as gospell since it uses okcupid men from a certain tmie period (who were probably all soys) as it's only dataset.

I suppose it MAY not directly translate to a general statistic for what women rate the majority of men.

We also don't know if they were all soy looking and it probably did include lots of normal people as most women don't match with average guys much. 5/10 is neutral, neither good looking or ugly, by that definition, women should be fine with dating them but not excited. That clearly excludes the majority of men, so we can safely say that the average man is sub 5/10, they are considered ugly to women as most women straight up just reject without much care.

 

[Ceo of cope]

just build the most powerful AI on earth to ascend theory over for me

unironically tho you can't figure out something where the thing itself (the face andn skull) and the means of detecting it's beauty (the human brain) have both evolved over millions of years by letting like 500 aspies theorize about it online in obscure forums, especially if what is beautiful to the human brain happens to be completely coincidental and not related to anything (sexual selection/ornament theory)

 

[Ceo of cope]

I suppose it MAY not directly translate to a general statistic for what women rate the majority of men.

We also don't know if they were all soy looking and it probably did include lots of normal people as most women don't match with average guys much. 5/10 is neutral, neither good looking or ugly, by that definition, women should be fine with dating them but not excited. That clearly excludes the majority of men, so we can safely say that the average man is sub 5/10, they are considered ugly to women as most women straight up just reject without much care.

Honestly when realizing this at first i couldn't fathom how we ever could get a civilization off the ground, let alone one that reaches 8 billion. I mean yeah arranged marriage rape enforced monogamy this and that but like, did most women just live in agony throughout history because of being wedded to a sub chad? And most men the same becauseu their wives didn't desire them? Seems pretty downthrodden to say the least

 

[Deleted member 17791]

Okay. Would you say Barrett looks more harmonious in this pic

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then in this

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This isn’t really harmony imo bieber has far better bones and features then him

Yes, his face looks longer in first pic.

0.9 is considered death tier for most people. This is what chico looks like with a 0.9 ratio

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so basically you're going against what is commonly assumed to be true on this site. A 1.9 FWHR is seen as ideal on this site, but Reeves is out of range, once again. Proving that harmony cant (at least only) be about ratios

That looks more 0.8


A FWHR of 1.8-2 is ideal but your whole face shouldn't be wide. You should have a long skull and wide mid face.

 

[Deleted member 5892]

unironically tho you can't figure out something where the thing itself (the face andn skull) and the means of detecting it's beauty (the human brain) have both evolved over millions of years, especially if what is beautiful to the human brain happens to be completely coincidental and not related to anything (sexual selection/ornament theory)

this. Like you said there are way too many microdetails in the face to analyze and stuff
YOure just born chad or youre 6 ft under