let’s see if you are low iq - philosophical question that has an objective answer 🙌

[psychomandible]

There isn't a objective answer to this question.

What if that person created a weapon that caused someone to infinite suffering for infinite time ? What if they did that to 30 people ? 30,000 ? Does he still not deserve infinite suffering for infinite time ?

 

[Aryan Incel]

i asked my dad, step mother and step brother this question and they all failed (in my opinion.)

the question is:

would you send someone to eternal suffering? if they had done atrocious things? for example, hitler.

my stance, which is objectively correct, is that no one could commit any act that would make them deserve eternal suffering. someone could kill millions of people and still wouldn’t deserve close to eternal suffering.

no one deserves infinite suffering

No

 

[dawooddX]

i asked my dad, step mother and step brother this question and they all failed (in my opinion.)

the question is:

would you send someone to eternal suffering? if they had done atrocious things? for example, hitler.

my stance, which is objectively correct, is that no one could commit any act that would make them deserve eternal suffering. someone could kill millions of people and still wouldn’t deserve close to eternal suffering.

no one deserves infinite suffering

yeh eternal suffering is so hard to comprehend

if u touch hot water from ur sink and u realize that theirs a belief that after u die u will feel 100000x of that pain forever, not 1k years or 10k yrs, eternity like forever, holy shit

 

[wrestle.cel]

i asked my dad, step mother and step brother this question and they all failed (in my opinion.)

the question is:

would you send someone to eternal suffering? if they had done atrocious things? for example, hitler.

my stance, which is objectively correct, is that no one could commit any act that would make them deserve eternal suffering. someone could kill millions of people and still wouldn’t deserve close to eternal suffering.

no one deserves infinite suffering

i agree. no matter what someone does they don't deserve eternal suffering. Also, atrocious by what moral standards? Morality is fully subjective. in Hitlers eyes, killing millions of Jews isn't immoral at all, but in the eyes of a Jew it is atrocious.

 

[ascensionneeeded]

yeh eternal suffering is so hard to comprehend

if u touch hot water from ur sink and u realize that theirs a belief that after u die u will feel 100000x of that pain forever, not 1k years or 10k yrs, eternity like forever, holy shit

i know, its so insane.

Like you said, its so hard to comprehend the idea that people believe in religion where perfectly good people will experience something so unimaginably awful just for making the wrong decision on which religion to believe in, even though there’s no compelling evidence that makes any one religion stand out.

The fact that people will accept this shows that a lot of religion (not all) is undeniably harmful. Like how can people be brainwashed to the point where they will accept a scenario where anyone deserves this? And even worse, this punishment is given by an all-loving god? Can people not see the fault in this?

 

[ascensionneeeded]

Nigga in what world does this have an objective answer

Because finite actions with finite consequences can’t equate to the deserving of infinite punishment that’s infinitely times worse than any finite consequence someone could commit.

It’s the equivalent of someone accidentally brushing past someone on a train and being sentenced to unimaginable torture for 100 billion years.

^ if you multiply the brushing past someone by a finite number, like 900x worse, and they behead someone or kill lots of people, the punishment will be equally multiplied and still be infinitely times less than infinite suffering

it’s hard to grasp

 

[registerfasterusing]

Because finite actions with finite consequences can’t equate to the deserving of infinite punishment that’s infinitely times worse than any finite consequence someone could commit.

It’s the equivalent of someone accidentally brushing past someone on a train and being sentenced to unimaginable torture for 100 billion years.

^ if you multiply the brushing past someone by a finite number, like 900x worse, and they behead someone or kill lots of people, the punishment will be equally multiplied and still be infinitely times less than infinite suffering

it’s hard to grasp

Thats simply not true

An action can have infinite consequences, which can persist beyond the lifetimes of those who perpetrated it

 

[thedarkoverlord_666]

I would but not hitler

 

[Vazelrr]

Nigga says the most debated topic among religion that has the topic of heaven and hell and says "if you don't give an objective answer you're low iq"

 

[iblamechico]

The guy who dropped fat man and little boy would be in deep shit

If we're talking physical suffering then probably not THAT much shit since most of them died instantly.

 

[iblamechico]

Thats simply not true

An action can have infinite consequences, which can persist beyond the lifetimes of those who perpetrated it

How jfl

 

[Sub5kang]

If we're talking physical suffering then probably not THAT much shit since most of them died instantly.

A lot more who were outside blast zone but in radiation would be brutal

 

[registerfasterusing]

How jfl

How can it not

 

[iblamechico]

A lot more who were outside blast zone but in radiation would be brutal

There was this guy in Japan whose skin was falling apart because he was exposed to radiation or something. The doctors kept him alive for research until he died I think. He'd be feeling that 1000 fold. Brutal.

 

[iblamechico]

How can it not

Tell me what the actions are nigga

 

[registerfasterusing]

Tell me what the actions are nigga

How does ww2 not have permanent consequences in the history of multiple countries

 

[puniteking]

i asked my dad, step mother and step brother this question and they all failed (in my opinion.)

the question is:

would you send someone to eternal suffering? if they had done atrocious things? for example, hitler.

my stance, which is objectively correct, is that no one could commit any act that would make them deserve eternal suffering. someone could kill millions of people and still wouldn’t deserve close to eternal suffering.

no one deserves infinite suffering

Hitler hasn’t done anything but protecting his people against the Jewish bankers for asking such a retarded question I will be sending you to eternal suffering for being a good goy

 

[IraniancelV2]

jfl, what a jester thread

 

[iblamechico]

How does ww2 not have permanent consequences in the history of multiple countries

Most things have permanent consequences then. You slapping a kid on the face would change the way he develops and change him forever. You can't unslap him.

That's "infinite consequences" to you? We're all going to hell.

 

[registerfasterusing]

Most things have permanent consequences then. You slapping a kid on the face would change the way he develops and change him forever. You can't unslap him.

That's "infinite consequences" to you? We're all going to hell.

I never spoke abt religion or moral responsibility

But idk how u can deny that every action has a permanent consequence
If they didnt then nothing would exist as it does

 

[iblamechico]

I never spoke abt religion or moral responsibility

Nigga the thread was about eternal damnation

 

[Kelly Oubre Jr]

they had done atrocious things? for example, hitler.

good goy

 

[iblamechico]

yeh eternal suffering is so hard to comprehend

if u touch hot water from ur sink and u realize that theirs a belief that after u die u will feel 100000x of that pain forever, not 1k years or 10k yrs, eternity like forever, holy shit

Literally why I stopped praying at 12. I pondered about that shit for hours while laying on my bed.

 

[registerfasterusing]

Nigga the thread was about eternal damnation

I didnt make the thread nigga

 

[Elias144]

We can presume the "enlightened" answer by looking at the idiot answer. What's the idiot answer? Yes. Hitler does deserve eternal damnation. While the manifestation of his malice in the physical world is finite, the potential malice contained within his spirit is theoretically infinite i.e. if he lived for an infinite period of time, he could potentially cause infinite suffering. That being said, yes, he does deserve eternal suffering. You can also come to this same conclusion without any logic by simply following your gut instinct like your "low iq" relatives did.

 

[iblamechico]

I didnt make the thread nigga

Nah u justified eternal damnation by saying it's possible for people to commit acts that have "infinite consequences" which you then changed to "permanent consequences" which is not the same thing. Fuck nigga.

 

[iblamechico]

While the manifestation of his malice in the physical world is finite, the potential malice contained within his spirit is theoretically infinite i.e. if he lived for an infinite period of time, he could potentially cause infinite suffering. That being said, yes, he does deserve eternal suffering.

And you say this why? Because he killed a bunch of kikes? He did a good thing in his eyes. It wasn't malice that drove him to do those things. God told the Israelites to genocide the Canaanites down to their babies because "they were evil". How'd u justify that?

You can also come to this same conclusion without any logic by simply following your gut instinct like your "low iq" relatives did.

The concept of hell didn't come from fucking "instinct" nigga jfl. You were definitely indoctrinated and conditioned to think that.

 

[dawooddX]

i know, its so insane.

Like you said, its so hard to comprehend the idea that people believe in religion where perfectly good people will experience something so unimaginably awful just for making the wrong decision on which religion to believe in, even though there’s no compelling evidence that makes any one religion stand out.

The fact that people will accept this shows that a lot of religion (not all) is undeniably harmful. Like how can people be brainwashed to the point where they will accept a scenario where anyone deserves this? And even worse, this punishment is given by an all-loving god? Can people not see the fault in this?

the arguements for this, for muslims and christians woulld be that

as a human u cannot fully comprehend the idea of god and what his ways are morally or what not, so it would be difficult for the human brain to grasp

people are aware of the knowledge of god(religion), so if they choose to stray away from it then they are actively refusing god so in the afterlife it is their decision that affects that

i worded it qute shit but thats the basics ig, atleast the ones ik

 

[registerfasterusing]

Nah u justified eternal damnation by saying it's possible for people to commit acts that have "infinite consequences" which you then changed to "permanent consequences" which is not the same thing. Fuck nigga.

Nigga I never uttered a word abt ‘eternal damnation’ idk wtf ur reading
And is permanence not infinite??? Fuck are u saying nigga

Ur assuming that im associating responsibility for an action with consequence which i never said

 

[ascensionneeeded]

the arguements for this, for muslims and christians woulld be that

as a human u cannot fully comprehend the idea of god and what his ways are morally or what not, so it would be difficult for the human brain to grasp

people are aware of the knowledge of god(religion), so if they choose to stray away from it then they are actively refusing god so in the afterlife it is their decision that affects that

i worded it qute shit but thats the basics ig, atleast the ones ik

i can see your point but i think that’s such bs

my whole point is that their is no compelling evidence for any one religion that will make a religion stand out as being way more true than the others… if there was then there wouldn’t be so many devoted muslims and christians. an all loving god wouldn’t send someone to eternal suffering for such a justified decision (getting unlucky) and they wouldn’t do it for a bigger picture either as they could just do this without the suffering.

god sends you to eternal hell for the bigger picture? why can’t the bigger picture not involve suffering if he has that power? suffering does not have to be necessary? therefore there’s no suffering or god isnt all loving

 

[Elias144]

And you say this why? Because he killed a bunch of kikes? He did a good thing in his eyes. It wasn't malice that drove him to do those things. God told the Israelites to genocide the Canaanites down to their babies because "they were evil". How'd u justify that?


The concept of hell didn't come from fucking "instinct" nigga jfl. You were definitely indoctrinated and conditioned to think that.

We live in a physical world with real outcomes, not in an abstract world of thoughts. In an abstract sense, maybe Hitler wasn't "evil"- because we could argue over the concept of what constitutes evil. However, for all intents and purposes, he was evil. He brutally murdered innocent children for personal gain. Without any further thought, just ask yourself that question- do you want babies to be murdered? You don't need to overthink it. There's no practical benefit to turning this into an abstract debate topic.

I don't support organized religion either, I think like in the case you described (god ordering genocide) that religion is simply used as a justification for evil.

The concept of hell is literally all instinct. It's a manifestation of the fear of death in the form of a concept. Fear of death is arguably THE instinct from which all other instincts are derived.

 

[iblamechico]

Nigga I never uttered a word abt ‘eternal damnation’ idk wtf ur reading
And is permanence not infinite??? Fuck are u saying nigga

Ur assuming that im associating responsibility for an action with consequence which i never said

Permanence for this finite world is still finite. Nothing lasts forever. It's not just to give you infinite punishment for what you do in this finite plane. That's the point fuck nigga.

Because finite actions with finite consequences can’t equate to the deserving of infinite punishment that’s infinitely times worse than any finite consequence someone could commit.

Thats simply not true

An action can have infinite consequences, which can persist beyond the lifetimes of those who perpetrated it

"Beyond the lifetimes" how many lifetimes? Still not infinite

 

[ascensionneeeded]

We live in a physical world with real outcomes, not in an abstract world of thoughts. In an abstract sense, maybe Hitler wasn't "evil"- because we could argue over the concept of what constitutes evil. However, for all intents and purposes, he was evil. He brutally murdered innocent children for personal gain. Without any further thought, just ask yourself that question- do you want babies to be murdered? You don't need to overthink it. There's no practical benefit to turning this into an abstract debate topic.

I don't support organized religion either, I think like in the case you described (god ordering genocide) that religion is simply used as a justification for evil.

The concept of hell is literally all instinct. It's a manifestation of the fear of death in the form of a concept. Fear of death is arguably THE instinct from which all other instincts are derived.

spot on

 

[ascensionneeeded]

Nigga I never uttered a word abt ‘eternal damnation’ idk wtf ur reading
And is permanence not infinite??? Fuck are u saying nigga

Ur assuming that im associating responsibility for an action with consequence which i never said

• bad actions deserve an equally bad punishment

• a person cannot carry out an action that has infinitely bad consequences

• therefore no person deserves infinite punishment

 

[dawooddX]

i can see your point but i think that’s such bs

my whole point is that their is no compelling evidence for any one religion that will make a religion stand out as being way more true than the others… if there was then there wouldn’t be so many devoted muslims and christians. an all loving god wouldn’t send someone to eternal suffering for such a justified decision (getting unlucky) and they wouldn’t do it for a bigger picture either as they could just do this without the suffering.

god sends you to eternal hell for the bigger picture? why can’t the bigger picture not involve suffering if he has that power? suffering does not have to be necessary? therefore there’s no suffering or god isnt all loving

i know, i COULD understand their arguement for it and their prespective but it isnt concrete enough for me to accept it aswell or come to terms with it

i js hate the idea of heaven/hell and the existence after death genuienly, i dont want to be happy or sad forever after deaht why dont i get that choice?? i dont want either,

moreover all the emotions we feel r js chemical reactions in our brain their not even real, its so hard to rlly think abt it

theres also stories of their book and during those times and actions, i just dont agree with, like their marriages or wtever

 

[ascensionneeeded]

i know, i COULD understand their arguement for it and their prespective but it isnt concrete enough for me to accept it aswell or come to terms with it

i js hate the idea of heaven/hell and the existence after death genuienly, i dont want to be happy or sad forever after deaht why dont i get that choice?? i dont want either,

moreover all the emotions we feel r js chemical reactions in our brain their not even real, its so hard to rlly think abt it

theres also stories of their book and during those times and actions, i just dont agree with, like their marriages or wtever

it’s because any infinite consciousness doesn’t work. a human can’t be infinitely conscious, our brains can’t process this and living infinitely would quickly turn into living hell.

even if you were happy every day in heaven, you wouldn’t want to live for infinitely many years.

the scariest thing is since you are alive reading this, it means you are in a world where infinite exists.

the only way for infinite to work is if humans don’t experience it, that’s why we just cease to exists when we die because the idea of infinity just doesn’t hold up.

 

[iblamechico]

spot on

Wdym spot on hes against u bro

 

[ascensionneeeded]

Wdym spot on hes against u bro

the misuse of religion to justify evil not the moral judgments aspect

 

[Gonthar]

would you send someone to eternal suffering? if they had done atrocious things? for example, hitler.

my stance, which is objectively correct, is that no one could commit any act that would make them deserve eternal suffering. someone could kill millions of people and still wouldn’t deserve close to eternal suffering.

no one deserves infinite suffering

You wouldn't think like this if you were one of the persons who suffered because of Hitler let's say...

This is obviously alluding to religion, I wouldn't but I'm not God for he knows best how about that

If you were God and had the power to do this, you would obviously do it, since you're God and you can get away with anything.

 

[greycel]

@sayonara

 

[ascensionneeeded]

You wouldn't think like this if you were one of the persons who suffered because of Hitler let's say...

If you were God and had the power to do this, you would obviously do it, since you're God and you can get away with anything.

someone could brutally kill my whole family and i wouldn’t send them to eternal suffering

and this is such cope
god wouldn’t do this if he was all loving and the fact he can ‘get away with it’ just makes him sound evil

 

[Primalsplit]

I would send anyone to eternal suffering if I didn't like the way they look.

 

[ascensionneeeded]

I would send anyone to eternal suffering if I didn't like the way they look.

bros an edgelord

 

[Sub5kang]

There was this guy in Japan whose skin was falling apart because he was exposed to radiation or something. The doctors kept him alive for research until he died I think. He'd be feeling that 1000 fold. Brutal.

Hisashi ouchi, bros name is literally "ouchie"

 

[crazyguy]

i asked my dad, step mother and step brother this question and they all failed (in my opinion.)

the question is:

would you send someone to eternal suffering? if they had done atrocious things? for example, hitler.

my stance, which is objectively correct, is that no one could commit any act that would make them deserve eternal suffering. someone could kill millions of people and still wouldn’t deserve close to eternal suffering.

no one deserves infinite suffering

i'd send you to eternal suffering for asking this retarded question

 

[Sub5kang]

i'd send you to eternal suffering for asking this retarded question

Legit there's been theological debates for thousands of years if you have a question chances are they've already been answered by a well-read religious figure

 

[ascensionneeeded]

i'd send you to eternal suffering for asking this retarded question

how’s it retarded? what’s your view?

 

[MiserableMan]

i asked my dad, step mother and step brother this question and they all failed (in my opinion.)

the question is:

would you send someone to eternal suffering? if they had done atrocious things? for example, hitler.

my stance, which is objectively correct, is that no one could commit any act that would make them deserve eternal suffering. someone could kill millions of people and still wouldn’t deserve close to eternal suffering.

no one deserves infinite suffering

They deserve to die the same amount of times as the people they killed, eternal suffering is retarded. Unless you literally wipe out entire creations and kill billions, even then eternal suffering will be too harsh of a punishment.

 

[Gonthar]

someone could brutally kill my whole family and i wouldn’t send them to eternal suffering

You're either just virtue signalling or you are really cucked...

and this is such cope
god wouldn’t do this if he was all loving and the fact he can ‘get away with it’ just makes him sound evil

If you had the power of a god you won't think the same, the all loving God is a more recent invention, the one in the Old Testament was quick to punish those that disobeyed him, sinners, etc.

 

[ascensionneeeded]

You're either just virtue signalling or you are really cucked...

If you had the power of a god you won't think the same, the all loving God is a more recent invention, the one in the Old Testament was quick to punish those that disobeyed him, sinners, etc.

no i’m just not stupid and brainwashed

why would an evil god exist? wtf is the point in that? i didn’t ask to exist