LGD 4033 cycle

[bbyahu]

First thread, as previously an accountless lurker. Bulked naturally for five months from 76kg to 95kg with a little fat gain so went on a 3 week cut. Was sitting at 88kg pre cycle.

Taking - 5mg LGD-4033, 6.25mg enclomiphene, 12.5mg mk677 daily, 1000mg berberine for glucose, 3mg cjc1295 w/dac weekly (1.5mg twice a week), 10g creatine, 1200mg NAC, regular supplements (multivit, magnesium, zinc, d3 etc.)

Plan is 6 weeks on ligandrol at 5mg then 2-4 week 12.5mg enclo only pct. upping enclo to 12.5mg daily at week 2.

After that i'll maintain to ensure gains stay then cut for summer.

Calories are essentially just whatever i can possibly get my hands on but very much on a bulk aiming for 200g+ protein daily.

Current stats:
Age - 17
Height - 6'4.5 (in afternoon after gym so who knows)
Weight - 90kg (currently 3rd day on cycle)

Will aim to update frequently.

 

[Aryan Ogre]

I'm running an lgd cycle rn too. I'd reccomend you do the cycle for 8 weeks as opposed to 6 as you'll get more benefits from it. MK677 can raise blood sugar so make sure you aren't consumin high amounts of sugars.

Because lgd and creatine both cause water retention, I would reccomend possibly not taking creatine while on the cycle, as too much water retention could cause issues with blood pressure

 

[bbyahu]

I'm running an lgd cycle rn too. I'd reccomend you do the cycle for 8 weeks as opposed to 6 as you'll get more benefits from it. MK677 can raise blood sugar so make sure you aren't consumin high amounts of sugars.

Because lgd and creatine both cause water retention, I would reccomend possibly not taking creatine while on the cycle, as too much water retention could cause issues with blood pressure

Thanks I’ll probably stop the creatine then - might also help to maintain gains once I go back on it. Ideally would be an 8 week cycle but 6 weeks coincides with a holiday in which I won’t have gym access for about 5 days so I feel there’s little point risking much greater suppression for a period where I won’t even be working out. Also I’ve heard that after 6 week most gains are present and suppression starts to ramp up further but I have no clue if this actually true.

 

[Boosie’s_Build]

Thanks I’ll probably stop the creatine then - might also help to maintain gains once I go back on it. Ideally would be an 8 week cycle but 6 weeks coincides with a holiday in which I won’t have gym access for about 5 days so I feel there’s little point risking much greater suppression for a period where I won’t even be working out. Also I’ve heard that after 6 week most gains are present and suppression starts to ramp up further but I have no clue if this actually true.

By suppression do you mean of your test. Because at 0.01 mg lgd is surprising your test. Read the study’s. Also if you’re doing pct the suppression is obsolete you will recover.

Your liver is what most people are concerned about when dealing with Sarms. Somehow fear mongering and YouTube made everyone think they are going to die and go into liver failure. This is not what’s going to happen to u. Also after every study was completed and in most anecdotal evidence liver enzymes return to normal after stopping Sarms.

 

[bbyahu]

By suppression do you mean of your test. Because at 0.01 mg lgd is surprising your test. Read the study’s. Also if you’re doing pct the suppression is obsolete you will recover.

Your liver is what most people are concerned about when dealing with Sarms. Somehow fear mongering and YouTube made everyone think they are going to die and go into liver failure. This is not what’s going to happen to u. Also after every study was completed and in most anecdotal evidence liver enzymes return to normal after stopping Sarms.

Yeah I mean the test suppression. On the pct though, surely the more suppressed my test is at the end of cycle, the longer it will take to get back to baseline but also the more likely I am to lose my gains. That’s the main thing I want to avoid
Other thing with the suppression is the mood / low t side effects which I ideally wouldn’t get too much of although obviously I still expect a fair bit on my cycle. I’m not too worried about my liver health as I know that does seem to bounce back if you eat right and once off cycle.

 

[bbyahu]

Update 1
Day 5

Today was the first day I really felt any effects in strength - shoulder press and preacher curl both jumped by 3 reps since Tuesday session even with a chest and back day on Thursday. (I’m running an Arnold split with only one leg session a week built into Mondays chest and back)
Will check weight fasted in morning.

 

[Boosie’s_Build]

Yeah I mean the test suppression. On the pct though, surely the more suppressed my test is at the end of cycle, the longer it will take to get back to baseline but also the more likely I am to lose my gains. That’s the main thing I want to avoid
Other thing with the suppression is the mood / low t side effects which I ideally wouldn’t get too much of although obviously I still expect a fair bit on my cycle. I’m not too worried about my liver health as I know that does seem to bounce back if you eat right and once off cycle.

You will most likely keep more than 70% of your gains if you want it more towards 90-100% Run a gh secretagouge durning pct. I seriously think you will keep more than 85% of your gains if you keep the same intensity with pct and after.

 

[dada22]

I just did a cycle of this and it is not worth it. I will post full cycle log below. You lose literally all the gains once you come off.

 

[dada22]

I just did a cycle of this and it is not worth it. I will post full cycle log below. You lose literally all the gains once you come off.

 

[dada22]

You are just going to bloat your face and look like shit for minimal frame increase in PSL.

 

[bbyahu]

You will most likely keep more than 70% of your gains if you want it more towards 90-100% Run a gh secretagouge durning pct. I seriously think you will keep more than 85% of your gains if you keep the same intensity with pct and after.

Would I keep less gains if I took the secretagogue throughout the cycle and pct? Also how big of an impact would that 5 days off of gym be which is basically in the first week of pct?

 

[Boosie’s_Build]

Would I keep less gains if I took the secretagogue throughout the cycle and pct? Also how big of an impact would that 5 days off of gym be which is basically in the first week of pct?

I’m gonna take 1-2 weeks off lgd before pct. Ima just wait till I feel like I have no androgen active in my body then pct to make sure it’s fully out.
Idk it depends on a lot of factors, you might even feel better or the same. If you follow Mike mincer rest is best. Ur going to be bigger no matter what stop tripping abt the 1-3lbs u might lose. And start worring about the sleep you miss out on when u stay up on ur phone or some shit.

 

[bbyahu]

I’m gonna take 1-2 weeks off lgd before pct. Ima just wait till I feel like I have no androgen active in my body then pct to make sure it’s fully out.
Idk it depends on a lot of factors, you might even feel better or the same. If you follow Mike mincer rest is best. Ur going to be bigger no matter what stop tripping abt the 1-3lbs u might lose. And start worring about the sleep you miss out on when u stay up on ur phone or some shit.

Yeah that’s fair I need to get back into a proper sleep rhythm. Thanks

 

[Boosie’s_Build]

Yeah that’s fair I need to get back into a proper sleep rhythm. Thanks

Happy 4:20 am

 

[sebastzero]

I just did a cycle of this and it is not worth it. I will post full cycle log below. You lose literally all the gains once you come off.

Why did you lose all your gains? I know some people that retain most, is it just genetics and how fast you test recovers?

 

[bbyahu]

Day 8 - strength gains clear again particularly on leg press (up 40kg for reps since Monday) but I always seem to underestimate leg press strength so still likely working up to a true max set. Some subtle size gains particularly in upper chest but could be placebo.

 

[bbyahu]

Day 12 Unexpected setback- mum found lgd and enclomiphene today so currently confiscated. Have already ordered replacements so hopefully can resume (with much better hiding) by Monday. Does anybody have any idea what effect this pause might have on the cycle? Despite this - strength gains still coming very fast and have noticed size increases in shoulders and arms particularly. Looking forward to restarting cycle asap. Fuck.

 

[xasg]

could you provide photos w/ the updates

 

[TrueOgreGymcel]

Day 12 Unexpected setback- mum found lgd and enclomiphene today so currently confiscated. Have already ordered replacements so hopefully can resume (with much better hiding) by Monday. Does anybody have any idea what effect this pause might have on the cycle? Despite this - strength gains still coming very fast and have noticed size increases in shoulders and arms particularly. Looking forward to restarting cycle asap. Fuck.

Actually the pausing mid cycle will not cause any drastic effect, especially with sarms.

Now if it was an anabolic compound like tren or deca, it might be another story but we're not there. LGD is one of the best sarms and if your training is locked in and diet on point, the results you experience are to be expected. You're on the right track but be more careful with hiding your stuff. Even though I would argue your mother does not have the right to take your belongings like that.

 

[bbyahu]

Actually the pausing mid cycle will not cause any drastic effect, especially with sarms.

Now if it was an anabolic compound like tren or deca, it might be another story but we're not there. LGD is one of the best sarms and if your training is locked in and diet on point, the results you experience are to be expected. You're on the right track but be more careful with hiding your stuff. Even though I would argue your mother does not have the right to take your belongings like that.

Yeah i didn't notice any negatives from the pause and am already back to gaining strength very quickly after restarting on tuesday. Luckily my new supply is pills so far easier to hide than the liquids I used before. Also, would you recommend staying at 5mg (technically 4.5 now with new source) or going to 10 (technically 9). Is there a big difference or just 20% more gains with extra suppression?

 

[TrueOgreGymcel]

Yeah i didn't notice any negatives from the pause and am already back to gaining strength very quickly after restarting on tuesday. Luckily my new supply is pills so far easier to hide than the liquids I used before. Also, would you recommend staying at 5mg (technically 4.5 now with new source) or going to 10 (technically 9). Is there a big difference or just 20% more gains with extra suppression?

I don't think the juice is worth the squeeze at this point (pun intended). You could go up a few mg if that's what you really want, to see if there's an increase in the response, around 7mg maybe.

Truth to be told, at some point it's best to stack sarms instead of relying solely on one and going ham on the dosage/cycle length. If you ever consider another cycle in the future, try LGD + Rad for massive gains. You could also consider Ostarine if you want more of a cutting cycle. Needless to say PCT is highly recommended with both of these suggestions.

If this is your first cycle currently and you're happy with the results so far, keep the dosage and finish it. There will always be time to experiment later. Always remember that even with sarms you have to come off and take a break before starting again.

This is my personal opinion, not medical advice, not a professional healthcare practitioner and so forth...

 

[bbyahu]

Week 3 finished - working weight for bench press and shoulder press both up by 10kg for just 2 or 3 reps less, so should be +10kg at same reps by next session for each. My arms and shoulders are becoming noticeably larger - Dad has commented a few times, as has girlfriend plus in mirror there is a clear difference. I am currently looking slightly leaner in the abs as well although I'm definitely noticing a little bit of facial bloat but it's not too big of an issue and I'm not currently at the bodyfat for proper hollow cheeks anyway. My weight is now just below 93kg which is a bit annoying as i was hoping for more but still very very happy particularly given the visual size and strength gains.

I don't think I'm noticing any side effects as of yet although at times i feel every so slightly dulled but I would attribute that more to stress/fatigue than actual suppression. Overall very happy still.

 

[bbyahu]

Final session of week 4 done - still getting stronger but reps added each session seems to be stalling / is at the same rate or just faster than without lgd. Would upping the dose be worth it? Suppression still seems to be minimal or at least not negative but is instead dulling me slightly. Not a problem though. Shoulder is slightly injured so hopefully will repair itself by Monday.

 

[bbyahu]

I'm running an lgd cycle rn too. I'd reccomend you do the cycle for 8 weeks as opposed to 6 as you'll get more benefits from it. MK677 can raise blood sugar so make sure you aren't consumin high amounts of sugars.

Because lgd and creatine both cause water retention, I would reccomend possibly not taking creatine while on the cycle, as too much water retention could cause issues with blood pressure

is it true that most of the increases in muscle mass/physique come in weeks 7-8 or is that utter nonsense?. I’m considering going a full 8 weeks but not sure.

 

[Aryan Ogre]

is it true that most of the increases in muscle mass/physique come in weeks 7-8 or is that utter nonsense?. I’m considering going a full 8 weeks but not sure.

For the mass gains I started getting noticeably "fuller" on week 2ish and onwards.

When I started the cycle I went front 155lbs to 169.5lbs, but I injured my back and got really sick with an infection so I went down to 166ish, where I am at right now. But I've mostly healed up so I should start gaining again soon. Injury aside I'd say gaining 12 pounds so far os quite good considering a lot of it is muscle.