LIP MAXXING ? (LIPCEL GTFIH) AS A LIPCEL

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REDNESS AND PLUMPNESS
LETS TALK ABOUT WATER METHODS TO SUM UP

PROBLEMS

1.GENES : NATURAL MELANIN PRODUCTION WHICH WILL CAUSE LIP DARKER
2. DIET : LOW AMOUNT OF IRON B2 B3 AND B6 AND VITAMIN C
3.SUN DAMAGE
4.SMOKING
5.LOW BLOOD CIRCULATION
6. DEAD SKIN CELLS IN LIP AREA


EASY FIXES
1. DONT BE DEFICIENT
2.NO SMOKING
3.SPF LIP BALM
4.LIP BRUSH USE PINK COLOUR

OTHER LESSER KNOWN METHODS

1. CAYENNE PEPPER METHOS /USING CAPSAICIN

CAPSAICIN BINDS WITH TRPV1 RECEPTOR THESE RECEPTOR DETECTS THE HEAT AND FIRE IN SKIN BINDING THESE RECEPTOR MEANS YOUR BODY IS GETTING FAKE HEAT SIGNAL AND TOO COOL THIS THE PROCESS OF VASODILATION STARTS TO OCCOUR AND THIS WILL CAUSE YOUR LIP TO BE RED AND PLUMPED

HOW TO USE


CAN USE ANY STUFF CONTAINING CAPSAICIN APPLY IT WITH VASLINE AND APPLY AT HIGHER CONC

I USED LOW CONC OF CAPSAICIN THEREFORE WORKED SLIGHTLY FOR ME USE MORE OF IT I SUGGEST BUT NOT TOO MUCH MAY CAUSE BURNS AND WAIT FOR SOME MINUTE

BEFORE

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AFTER
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2. USE NIACINAMIDE AROUND BORDER IT WILL REMOVE DULL AND GREYISH LOOK

3. USING TERTINOIN : IT WILL INCREASE SKIN CELLTURN OVER OF HYPER PIGMENTED LIPS AND BOOSTS COLLAGEN IN LIP AREA
HOW IT WORKS: DISCUSSED HERE AND WORK SAME FOR LIPS BUT LIPS ARE A BIT DELICATE


BEFORE AND AFTER
ONLY FOUND ONE NOT TOO MUCH

Screenshot 2026 05 10 210437


HOW TO APPLY
USE 0.025% USE A SMALL AMOUNT USE ONCE A WEEK THEN TWICE A WEEK IF TOLERATED AND INCREASE ITS FRQUENCY DONT USE IT 2 TIMES A DAY USE VASLINE AND GLYCERINE IT WILL SUCK ANY LIQUID AND LIPS HAS VERY THIN STRANTUM CORNEUM TO START WITH AND IT WILL CAUSE DEHYDRATION IN LIPS . IT ACCLERATES KERATINOCYTE TURNOVER SO FAST THAT THE LIPID BILAYER DONT HAVE TIME TO PROPERLY ORGANIZE

CITATION

THIS LINKS SHOWS HOW FRAGILE LIPS ARE https://share.google/r5ByWInhRKmqR8WG8

THIS IS BY MECHANISM WORKING BUT HAS LESS RESULTS AND DATA SO CANT TELL UNTIL I TRY MYSELF
LIP DEPIGMENTATION TREATMENTS

LAZER TREATMENTS

CO2 LASER
SEMI PERMANENT
REMOVES EXISTING PIGMENT BUT DOESNOT STOP FROM PRODUCING NEW ONES
WORKING
LASER VAPORIZES THE TOP LAYER OF PIGMENTED SKIN ALLOWING A NEW PINK LAYER TO GROW

Initial Results: You will typically see a significant difference after just one session as the dark skin scabs and peels off within about a week.

Full Course: Most patients require 1 to 3 sessions for complete depigmentation

Smoothing fine lines and crepey skin – The laser resurfaces the upper lip, softening superficial lines and improving the delicate, thin skin in this area.

Reducing the depth of deeper vertical wrinkles – By stimulating collagen in the dermis, CO₂ laser helps fill and flatten deeper, etched-in lines.

Tightening and firming the upper lip area – Thermal energy contracts existing collagen and encourages new fibre formation, giving the lip area a firmer, lifted appearance.

Stimulating long-term collagen production – Collagen and elastin regeneration continues for months after treatment, improving skin quality over time.

Improving pigmentation and texture – The laser evens out tone and smooths rough or dull skin, giving the upper lip a healthier, refreshed look.

Creating a smoother, more youthful lip border – Fine resurfacing enhances the lip contour, restoring definition and softening the appearance of smoker’s lines.

Because the upper lip is a small but collagen-rich area, CO₂ laser often delivers dramatic, noticeable results with minimal downtime.

TIME LINE OF IT STAYING CAUSE IT IS SEMI PERMANENT
Results can last for several years, but pigmentation may eventually return due to lifestyle habits like smoking, sun exposure, or hormonal changes.
If your lips are naturally dark due to genetics, they are more likely to eventually revert toward their original tone over time


TIME IT TAKES TO WORK


Improvements continue gradually as your skin heals and collagen rebuilds itself. Because the results come from your body’s natural regeneration, they look soft, natural, and long-lasting.

Timeline of results

1 week: Smoother surface, initial tightening
– The treated area feels firmer, and fine lines start to appear less noticeable as damaged skin is shed.

1 month: Visible reduction in fine lines – Early collagen production helps soften superficial wrinkles, and the upper lip begins to look smoother and more even.

3 months: Continued collagen remodelling – Deeper vertical lines start to diminish as new collagen strengthens the dermal layers, improving texture and elasticity.

6 months: Peak improvement – Maximum results are usually seen around six months after treatment, with a firmer, plumper, and more youthful upper lip.

Because CO₂ laser stimulates your own collagen rather than relying on fillers or artificial products, the results appear natural and harmonious, enhancing the upper lip subtly while restoring definition and smoothness.
[/SPOILER]

THIS CAN BE COMBINED WITH BOTOX AND FILLERS WHICH I WILL BE TALKING IN NEXT SECTION
IF YOU WANT TO KNOW MORE


BEFORE AND AFTER
Images 3


Screenshot 2026 05 11 030152

COST : 600$ TO 1200$

PICOSECOND LASER
WORKS PERMANENT:ogre::soy:

Picosecond (Pico) laser on lips is a safe, non-invasive, and effective treatment to reduce hyperpigmentation, lighten dark lips, and promote a pinker, more even tone. Using ultra-short pulses to break down melanin without excessive heat, it also stimulates collagen for smoother lips
Pico laser technology is known for its ability to break down pigment in the skin using ultra-short pulses of energy. This treatment is commonly used for tattoo removal, skin pigmentation, and rejuvenation, making it a possible treatment option for lip lightening.

Uses picosecond pulses to break down melanin in pigmented areas
Minimal downtime, with mild redness or swelling after treatment
Suitable for a variety of skin types and concerns


WHAT HAPPENS IN THE TREATMENT
Numbing cream applied 30-45 mins before
Gives Protective eyewear
Provider passes laser over lip area in controlled pulses
Entire lip treatment 10-20 mins
Immediate response: whitening (frosting) of treated area this means pigment is being destroyed





POST TREATMENT
POST TREATMENT:

First 24-48hrs



Swelling and redness is normal
Possible darkening of pigmented spots they come up before they clear (purging effect)
Vaseline only on lips and nothing much

Week 1-2:

Pigmented areas will crust and flake off
This is the melanin fragments being expelled
use moisturizer

Week 2-4:

results starts to show
Some pinkness/redness as new tissue reveales underneath
SESSIONS
Minimum 4-6 weeks between sessions

Most lip pigmentation cases need 3-6 sessions

Severe cases or very dense melanin can need up to 8

Results are added to be seen

CITATION

BEFORE AND AFTER PLUS SOME VIDEOS ABOUT IT




COST :150$ TO 400$ PER SESSION
FULL COURSE: 600$ TO 2000$


USING CHEMICALS
TRICHLOROACETIC ACID

Trichloroacetic acid (TCA) is a potent peeling agent (10%–50% concentrations) often used to treat perioral lines, smoker's lines, and sun damage around the lips.

IS IT SAFE : YES USED 35% ON LIPS AND IT IS RECOMMENDED FOR HYPERPIGMENTATION

CONSIDERATION
IT FORMS WHITE PPT AT THE LIP AREA CAUSE IT REACTS WITH THE PROTEIN OF LIPS

Level 1 : Erythema (redness) with slight frosting
Level 2 : White frosting with pink showing through
Level 3 : Solid white frosting, no pink

HOW TO APPLY IT
Step 1 degreasing Acetone or alcohol applied to lips to remove all oils This determines penetration depth


Step 2 :ApplicationTCA applied with cotton tipped applicator or gauzeEven strokes across lip surfaceProvider watches frosting development in real time


Step 3 :Monitoring30-60 seconds per applicationMultiple thin layers safer than one thick applicationWatching for frosting level continuously


Step 4 Neutralization :TCA self neutralizes does NOT need baking soda unlike glycolic/salicylicWater can be applied to cool and stop sensation Never apply baking soda to TCA causes exothermic reaction

whole process takes 15 minutes
search more videos


AFTER PROCESS
Day 1-2:


Significant swelling.lips will be puffy
Tightness, redness
Vaseline only OR LIP blam

Day 3-4:

Skin starts darkening the treated tissue turns brown before shedding
Looks worse before better
Keep it moisturized

Day 5-7:

Peeling begins sheets of pigmented skin comes off
Let it shed naturally

Day 7-10:

New skin reveals underneath
Pink/red and sensitive
Looks raw at 1st

Week 2-4:

Color evens out
Redness fades

BEFORE AND AFTER


PHENOL PEEL
LOW ROI THESE METHODS ARE BETTER


2. LIP WIDTH
THIS IS THE TOPIC THAT IS MOST IGNORED RN
ORAL COMMISSURE :THE LIP CORNER . MAIN


Melior oral commissure fb

Modiolus :muscular node at each corner

Zygomaticus minor : pulls corners outward

Bone structure underneath (maxilla width)

HA FILLER AT ORAL COMMISSURES
HA filler placed directly at oral corners

Pushes commissures laterally

0.1-0.2ml per side only

Subtle addition
LOW SUBTLE CHANGE
BOTOX AT DAO MUSCLE(DEPRESSOR ANGULI ORIS)

DAO (depressor anguli oris) pulls corners DOWN and inward

Relaxing it with botox allows corners to sit more laterally

Also fixes downturned corners simultaneously

2-4 units per side

Results take about 1–2 weeks to appear.

TEMPORARY
LOW SUBTLE CHANGE
COMMISSUROPLASTY

Commissuroplasty is a surgical procedure used to reconstruct or adjust the corners of the mouth (oral commissures), typically to correct microstomia (small mouth opening) caused by trauma, surgery, or congenital conditions. It involves repositioning the corners of the mouth to improve both functionality and aesthetics

Direct surgical repositioning of oral corners

Small incision, relatively minor procedure

Permanent width increase

Also lifts downturned corners

Downtime 1-2 weeks
DURATION
Duration & Recovery: The procedure is typically performed under local anesthesia, lasting around 1 hour, and is generally done on an ambulatory (outpatient) basis.

The results are immediately visible, with full settling occurring around 1 year post-operation.

HOW IT IS DONE
Screenshot 2026 05 11 193646



Marking and Planning: The surgeon identifies the desired new width for the mouth. A common aesthetic landmark is the mid-pupillary line (a vertical line dropped from the center of the pupil).
Initial Incision: A horizontal incision is made starting from the existing corner of the mouth and extending outward to the new marked position.
Tissue Excision: Small triangular segments of skin are removed above and below the horizontal incision line. This creates a "gap" or defect that allows the corner of the mouth to be moved outward.
Muscle Adjustment: A small wedge of the orbicularis oris muscle (the muscle surrounding the lips) is often excised to create space for the new corner and prevent the mouth from "relapsing" to its original smaller size.
Mucosal Advancement: The inner lining of the mouth (buccal mucosa) is mobilized and pulled forward (advanced) to cover the newly created gap. This creates the new pink "vermilion" part of the lip in the widened area.
Layered Closure: The surgeon uses fine, permanent, or dissolvable sutures to close the wound in multiple layers—internal mucosa, muscle, and external skin—to ensure strength and minimize scarring

CITATION


BEFORE AND AFTER
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COST
USA


$1500-4000 typically
General anesthesia adds cost
Usually not covered by insurance (cosmetic)

UK:


£1500-3500
Private clinic only

Turkey:


$500-1200
Huge medical tourism destination for this specifically
Some genuinely excellent oral surgeons
Istanbul clinics most reputable

South Korea:


$800-2000
Probably best quality to price ratio globally
Korean surgeons very experienced with perioral procedures

India:


$300-800
Quality varies significantly
Mumbai and Delhi have decent options


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THREAD SONG



REDNESS AND PLUMPNESS
LETS TALK ABOUT WATER METHODS TO SUM UP

PROBLEMS

1.GENES : NATURAL MELANIN PRODUCTION WHICH WILL CAUSE LIP DARKER
2. DIET : LOW AMOUNT OF IRON B2 B3 AND B6 AND VITAMIN C
3.SUN DAMAGE
4.SMOKING
5.LOW BLOOD CIRCULATION
6. DEAD SKIN CELLS IN LIP AREA


EASY FIXES
1. DONT BE DEFICIENT
2.NO SMOKING
3.SPF LIP BALM
4.LIP BRUSH USE PINK COLOUR

OTHER LESSER KNOWN METHODS

1. CAYENNE PEPPER METHOS /USING CAPSAICIN

CAPSAICIN BINDS WITH TRPV1 RECEPTOR THESE RECEPTOR DETECTS THE HEAT AND FIRE IN SKIN BINDING THESE RECEPTOR MEANS YOUR BODY IS GETTING FAKE HEAT SIGNAL AND TOO COOL THIS THE PROCESS OF VASODILATION STARTS TO OCCOUR AND THIS WILL CAUSE YOUR LIP TO BE RED AND PLUMPED

HOW TO USE


CAN USE ANY STUFF CONTAINING CAPSAICIN APPLY IT WITH VASLINE AND APPLY AT HIGHER CONC

I USED LOW CONC OF CAPSAICIN THEREFORE WORKED SLIGHTLY FOR ME USE MORE OF IT I SUGGEST BUT NOT TOO MUCH MAY CAUSE BURNS AND WAIT FOR SOME MINUTE

2. USE NIACINAMIDE AROUND BORDER IT WILL REMOVE DULL AND GREYISH LOOK

3. USING TERTINOIN : IT WILL INCREASE SKIN CELLTURN OVER OF HYPER PIGMENTED LIPS AND BOOSTS COLLAGEN IN LIP AREA
HOW IT WORKS: DISCUSSED HERE AND WORK SAME FOR LIPS BUT LIPS ARE A BIT DELICATE


BEFORE AND AFTER
ONLY FOUND ONE NOT TOO MUCH

View attachment 5040772


HOW TO APPLY
USE 0.025% USE A SMALL AMOUNT USE ONCE A WEEK THEN TWICE A WEEK IF TOLERATED AND INCREASE ITS FRQUENCY DONT USE IT 2 TIMES A DAY USE VASLINE AND GLYCERINE IT WILL SUCK ANY LIQUID AND LIPS HAS VERY THIN STRANTUM CORNEUM TO START WITH AND IT WILL CAUSE DEHYDRATION IN LIPS . IT ACCLERATES KERATINOCYTE TURNOVER SO FAST THAT THE LIPID BILAYER DONT HAVE TIME TO PROPERLY ORGANIZE

CITATION

THIS LINKS SHOWS HOW FRAGILE LIPS ARE https://share.google/r5ByWInhRKmqR8WG8

THIS IS BY MECHANISM WORKING BUT HAS LESS RESULTS AND DATA SO CANT TELL UNTIL I TRY MYSELF
LIP DEPIGMENTATION TREATMENTS

LAZER TREATMENTS

CO2 LASER
SEMI PERMANENT
REMOVES EXISTING PIGMENT BUT DOESNOT STOP FROM PRODUCING NEW ONES
WORKING
LASER VAPORIZES THE TOP LAYER OF PIGMENTED SKIN ALLOWING A NEW PINK LAYER TO GROW

Initial Results: You will typically see a significant difference after just one session as the dark skin scabs and peels off within about a week.

Full Course: Most patients require 1 to 3 sessions for complete depigmentation

Smoothing fine lines and crepey skin – The laser resurfaces the upper lip, softening superficial lines and improving the delicate, thin skin in this area.

Reducing the depth of deeper vertical wrinkles – By stimulating collagen in the dermis, CO₂ laser helps fill and flatten deeper, etched-in lines.

Tightening and firming the upper lip area – Thermal energy contracts existing collagen and encourages new fibre formation, giving the lip area a firmer, lifted appearance.

Stimulating long-term collagen production – Collagen and elastin regeneration continues for months after treatment, improving skin quality over time.

Improving pigmentation and texture – The laser evens out tone and smooths rough or dull skin, giving the upper lip a healthier, refreshed look.

Creating a smoother, more youthful lip border – Fine resurfacing enhances the lip contour, restoring definition and softening the appearance of smoker’s lines.

Because the upper lip is a small but collagen-rich area, CO₂ laser often delivers dramatic, noticeable results with minimal downtime.

TIME LINE OF IT STAYING CAUSE IT IS SEMI PERMANENT
Results can last for several years, but pigmentation may eventually return due to lifestyle habits like smoking, sun exposure, or hormonal changes.
If your lips are naturally dark due to genetics, they are more likely to eventually revert toward their original tone over time


TIME IT TAKES TO WORK


Improvements continue gradually as your skin heals and collagen rebuilds itself. Because the results come from your body’s natural regeneration, they look soft, natural, and long-lasting.

Timeline of results

1 week: Smoother surface, initial tightening
– The treated area feels firmer, and fine lines start to appear less noticeable as damaged skin is shed.

1 month: Visible reduction in fine lines – Early collagen production helps soften superficial wrinkles, and the upper lip begins to look smoother and more even.

3 months: Continued collagen remodelling – Deeper vertical lines start to diminish as new collagen strengthens the dermal layers, improving texture and elasticity.

6 months: Peak improvement – Maximum results are usually seen around six months after treatment, with a firmer, plumper, and more youthful upper lip.

Because CO₂ laser stimulates your own collagen rather than relying on fillers or artificial products, the results appear natural and harmonious, enhancing the upper lip subtly while restoring definition and smoothness.
[/SPOILER]

THIS CAN BE COMBINED WITH BOTOX AND FILLERS WHICH I WILL BE TALKING IN NEXT SECTION
IF YOU WANT TO KNOW MORE


BEFORE AND AFTER

COST : 600$ TO 1200$

PICOSECOND LASER
WORKS PERMANENT:ogre::soy:

Picosecond (Pico) laser on lips is a safe, non-invasive, and effective treatment to reduce hyperpigmentation, lighten dark lips, and promote a pinker, more even tone. Using ultra-short pulses to break down melanin without excessive heat, it also stimulates collagen for smoother lips
Pico laser technology is known for its ability to break down pigment in the skin using ultra-short pulses of energy. This treatment is commonly used for tattoo removal, skin pigmentation, and rejuvenation, making it a possible treatment option for lip lightening.

Uses picosecond pulses to break down melanin in pigmented areas
Minimal downtime, with mild redness or swelling after treatment
Suitable for a variety of skin types and concerns


WHAT HAPPENS IN THE TREATMENT
Numbing cream applied 30-45 mins before
Gives Protective eyewear
Provider passes laser over lip area in controlled pulses
Entire lip treatment 10-20 mins
Immediate response: whitening (frosting) of treated area this means pigment is being destroyed





POST TREATMENT
POST TREATMENT:

First 24-48hrs



Swelling and redness is normal
Possible darkening of pigmented spots they come up before they clear (purging effect)
Vaseline only on lips and nothing much

Week 1-2:

Pigmented areas will crust and flake off
This is the melanin fragments being expelled
use moisturizer

Week 2-4:

results starts to show
Some pinkness/redness as new tissue reveales underneath
SESSIONS
Minimum 4-6 weeks between sessions

Most lip pigmentation cases need 3-6 sessions

Severe cases or very dense melanin can need up to 8

Results are added to be seen

CITATION

BEFORE AND AFTER PLUS SOME VIDEOS ABOUT IT




COST :150$ TO 400$ PER SESSION
FULL COURSE: 600$ TO 2000$


USING CHEMICALS
TRICHLOROACETIC ACID

Trichloroacetic acid (TCA) is a potent peeling agent (10%–50% concentrations) often used to treat perioral lines, smoker's lines, and sun damage around the lips.

IS IT SAFE : YES USED 35% ON LIPS AND IT IS RECOMMENDED FOR HYPERPIGMENTATION

CONSIDERATION
IT FORMS WHITE PPT AT THE LIP AREA CAUSE IT REACTS WITH THE PROTEIN OF LIPS

Level 1 : Erythema (redness) with slight frosting
Level 2 : White frosting with pink showing through
Level 3 : Solid white frosting, no pink

HOW TO APPLY IT
Step 1 degreasing Acetone or alcohol applied to lips to remove all oils This determines penetration depth


Step 2 :ApplicationTCA applied with cotton tipped applicator or gauzeEven strokes across lip surfaceProvider watches frosting development in real time


Step 3 :Monitoring30-60 seconds per applicationMultiple thin layers safer than one thick applicationWatching for frosting level continuously


Step 4 Neutralization :TCA self neutralizes does NOT need baking soda unlike glycolic/salicylicWater can be applied to cool and stop sensation Never apply baking soda to TCA causes exothermic reaction

whole process takes 15 minutes
search more videos


AFTER PROCESS
Day 1-2:


Significant swelling.lips will be puffy
Tightness, redness
Vaseline only OR LIP blam

Day 3-4:

Skin starts darkening the treated tissue turns brown before shedding
Looks worse before better
Keep it moisturized

Day 5-7:

Peeling begins sheets of pigmented skin comes off
Let it shed naturally

Day 7-10:

New skin reveals underneath
Pink/red and sensitive
Looks raw at 1st

Week 2-4:

Color evens out
Redness fades

BEFORE AND AFTER


PHENOL PEEL
LOW ROI THESE METHODS ARE BETTER


2. LIP WIDTH
THIS IS THE TOPIC THAT IS MOST IGNORED RN
ORAL COMMISSURE :THE LIP CORNER . MAIN



Modiolus :muscular node at each corner

Zygomaticus minor : pulls corners outward

Bone structure underneath (maxilla width)

HA FILLER AT ORAL COMMISSURES
HA filler placed directly at oral corners

Pushes commissures laterally

0.1-0.2ml per side only

Subtle addition
LOW SUBTLE CHANGE
BOTOX AT DAO MUSCLE(DEPRESSOR ANGULI ORIS)

DAO (depressor anguli oris) pulls corners DOWN and inward

Relaxing it with botox allows corners to sit more laterally

Also fixes downturned corners simultaneously

2-4 units per side

Results take about 1–2 weeks to appear.

TEMPORARY
LOW SUBTLE CHANGE
COMMISSUROPLASTY

Commissuroplasty is a surgical procedure used to reconstruct or adjust the corners of the mouth (oral commissures), typically to correct microstomia (small mouth opening) caused by trauma, surgery, or congenital conditions. It involves repositioning the corners of the mouth to improve both functionality and aesthetics

Direct surgical repositioning of oral corners

Small incision, relatively minor procedure

Permanent width increase

Also lifts downturned corners

Downtime 1-2 weeks
DURATION
Duration & Recovery: The procedure is typically performed under local anesthesia, lasting around 1 hour, and is generally done on an ambulatory (outpatient) basis.

The results are immediately visible, with full settling occurring around 1 year post-operation.

HOW IT IS DONE
View attachment 5045890


Marking and Planning: The surgeon identifies the desired new width for the mouth. A common aesthetic landmark is the mid-pupillary line (a vertical line dropped from the center of the pupil).
Initial Incision: A horizontal incision is made starting from the existing corner of the mouth and extending outward to the new marked position.
Tissue Excision: Small triangular segments of skin are removed above and below the horizontal incision line. This creates a "gap" or defect that allows the corner of the mouth to be moved outward.
Muscle Adjustment: A small wedge of the orbicularis oris muscle (the muscle surrounding the lips) is often excised to create space for the new corner and prevent the mouth from "relapsing" to its original smaller size.
Mucosal Advancement: The inner lining of the mouth (buccal mucosa) is mobilized and pulled forward (advanced) to cover the newly created gap. This creates the new pink "vermilion" part of the lip in the widened area.
Layered Closure: The surgeon uses fine, permanent, or dissolvable sutures to close the wound in multiple layers—internal mucosa, muscle, and external skin—to ensure strength and minimize scarring

CITATION


BEFORE AND AFTER

COST
USA


$1500-4000 typically
General anesthesia adds cost
Usually not covered by insurance (cosmetic)

UK:


£1500-3500
Private clinic only

Turkey:


$500-1200
Huge medical tourism destination for this specifically
Some genuinely excellent oral surgeons
Istanbul clinics most reputable

South Korea:


$800-2000
Probably best quality to price ratio globally
Korean surgeons very experienced with perioral procedures

India:


$300-800
Quality varies significantly
Mumbai and Delhi have decent options


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THREAD SONG



REDNESS AND PLUMPNESS
LETS TALK ABOUT WATER METHODS TO SUM UP

PROBLEMS

1.GENES : NATURAL MELANIN PRODUCTION WHICH WILL CAUSE LIP DARKER
2. DIET : LOW AMOUNT OF IRON B2 B3 AND B6 AND VITAMIN C
3.SUN DAMAGE
4.SMOKING
5.LOW BLOOD CIRCULATION
6. DEAD SKIN CELLS IN LIP AREA


EASY FIXES
1. DONT BE DEFICIENT
2.NO SMOKING
3.SPF LIP BALM
4.LIP BRUSH USE PINK COLOUR

OTHER LESSER KNOWN METHODS

1. CAYENNE PEPPER METHOS /USING CAPSAICIN

CAPSAICIN BINDS WITH TRPV1 RECEPTOR THESE RECEPTOR DETECTS THE HEAT AND FIRE IN SKIN BINDING THESE RECEPTOR MEANS YOUR BODY IS GETTING FAKE HEAT SIGNAL AND TOO COOL THIS THE PROCESS OF VASODILATION STARTS TO OCCOUR AND THIS WILL CAUSE YOUR LIP TO BE RED AND PLUMPED

HOW TO USE


CAN USE ANY STUFF CONTAINING CAPSAICIN APPLY IT WITH VASLINE AND APPLY AT HIGHER CONC

I USED LOW CONC OF CAPSAICIN THEREFORE WORKED SLIGHTLY FOR ME USE MORE OF IT I SUGGEST BUT NOT TOO MUCH MAY CAUSE BURNS AND WAIT FOR SOME MINUTE

2. USE NIACINAMIDE AROUND BORDER IT WILL REMOVE DULL AND GREYISH LOOK

3. USING TERTINOIN : IT WILL INCREASE SKIN CELLTURN OVER OF HYPER PIGMENTED LIPS AND BOOSTS COLLAGEN IN LIP AREA
HOW IT WORKS: DISCUSSED HERE AND WORK SAME FOR LIPS BUT LIPS ARE A BIT DELICATE


BEFORE AND AFTER
ONLY FOUND ONE NOT TOO MUCH

View attachment 5040772


HOW TO APPLY
USE 0.025% USE A SMALL AMOUNT USE ONCE A WEEK THEN TWICE A WEEK IF TOLERATED AND INCREASE ITS FRQUENCY DONT USE IT 2 TIMES A DAY USE VASLINE AND GLYCERINE IT WILL SUCK ANY LIQUID AND LIPS HAS VERY THIN STRANTUM CORNEUM TO START WITH AND IT WILL CAUSE DEHYDRATION IN LIPS . IT ACCLERATES KERATINOCYTE TURNOVER SO FAST THAT THE LIPID BILAYER DONT HAVE TIME TO PROPERLY ORGANIZE

CITATION

THIS LINKS SHOWS HOW FRAGILE LIPS ARE https://share.google/r5ByWInhRKmqR8WG8

THIS IS BY MECHANISM WORKING BUT HAS LESS RESULTS AND DATA SO CANT TELL UNTIL I TRY MYSELF
LIP DEPIGMENTATION TREATMENTS

LAZER TREATMENTS

CO2 LASER
SEMI PERMANENT
REMOVES EXISTING PIGMENT BUT DOESNOT STOP FROM PRODUCING NEW ONES
WORKING
LASER VAPORIZES THE TOP LAYER OF PIGMENTED SKIN ALLOWING A NEW PINK LAYER TO GROW

Initial Results: You will typically see a significant difference after just one session as the dark skin scabs and peels off within about a week.

Full Course: Most patients require 1 to 3 sessions for complete depigmentation

Smoothing fine lines and crepey skin – The laser resurfaces the upper lip, softening superficial lines and improving the delicate, thin skin in this area.

Reducing the depth of deeper vertical wrinkles – By stimulating collagen in the dermis, CO₂ laser helps fill and flatten deeper, etched-in lines.

Tightening and firming the upper lip area – Thermal energy contracts existing collagen and encourages new fibre formation, giving the lip area a firmer, lifted appearance.

Stimulating long-term collagen production – Collagen and elastin regeneration continues for months after treatment, improving skin quality over time.

Improving pigmentation and texture – The laser evens out tone and smooths rough or dull skin, giving the upper lip a healthier, refreshed look.

Creating a smoother, more youthful lip border – Fine resurfacing enhances the lip contour, restoring definition and softening the appearance of smoker’s lines.

Because the upper lip is a small but collagen-rich area, CO₂ laser often delivers dramatic, noticeable results with minimal downtime.

TIME LINE OF IT STAYING CAUSE IT IS SEMI PERMANENT
Results can last for several years, but pigmentation may eventually return due to lifestyle habits like smoking, sun exposure, or hormonal changes.
If your lips are naturally dark due to genetics, they are more likely to eventually revert toward their original tone over time


TIME IT TAKES TO WORK


Improvements continue gradually as your skin heals and collagen rebuilds itself. Because the results come from your body’s natural regeneration, they look soft, natural, and long-lasting.

Timeline of results

1 week: Smoother surface, initial tightening
– The treated area feels firmer, and fine lines start to appear less noticeable as damaged skin is shed.

1 month: Visible reduction in fine lines – Early collagen production helps soften superficial wrinkles, and the upper lip begins to look smoother and more even.

3 months: Continued collagen remodelling – Deeper vertical lines start to diminish as new collagen strengthens the dermal layers, improving texture and elasticity.

6 months: Peak improvement – Maximum results are usually seen around six months after treatment, with a firmer, plumper, and more youthful upper lip.

Because CO₂ laser stimulates your own collagen rather than relying on fillers or artificial products, the results appear natural and harmonious, enhancing the upper lip subtly while restoring definition and smoothness.
[/SPOILER]

THIS CAN BE COMBINED WITH BOTOX AND FILLERS WHICH I WILL BE TALKING IN NEXT SECTION
IF YOU WANT TO KNOW MORE


BEFORE AND AFTER

COST : 600$ TO 1200$

PICOSECOND LASER
WORKS PERMANENT:ogre::soy:

Picosecond (Pico) laser on lips is a safe, non-invasive, and effective treatment to reduce hyperpigmentation, lighten dark lips, and promote a pinker, more even tone. Using ultra-short pulses to break down melanin without excessive heat, it also stimulates collagen for smoother lips
Pico laser technology is known for its ability to break down pigment in the skin using ultra-short pulses of energy. This treatment is commonly used for tattoo removal, skin pigmentation, and rejuvenation, making it a possible treatment option for lip lightening.

Uses picosecond pulses to break down melanin in pigmented areas
Minimal downtime, with mild redness or swelling after treatment
Suitable for a variety of skin types and concerns


WHAT HAPPENS IN THE TREATMENT
Numbing cream applied 30-45 mins before
Gives Protective eyewear
Provider passes laser over lip area in controlled pulses
Entire lip treatment 10-20 mins
Immediate response: whitening (frosting) of treated area this means pigment is being destroyed





POST TREATMENT
POST TREATMENT:

First 24-48hrs



Swelling and redness is normal
Possible darkening of pigmented spots they come up before they clear (purging effect)
Vaseline only on lips and nothing much

Week 1-2:

Pigmented areas will crust and flake off
This is the melanin fragments being expelled
use moisturizer

Week 2-4:

results starts to show
Some pinkness/redness as new tissue reveales underneath
SESSIONS
Minimum 4-6 weeks between sessions

Most lip pigmentation cases need 3-6 sessions

Severe cases or very dense melanin can need up to 8

Results are added to be seen

CITATION

BEFORE AND AFTER PLUS SOME VIDEOS ABOUT IT




COST :150$ TO 400$ PER SESSION
FULL COURSE: 600$ TO 2000$


USING CHEMICALS
TRICHLOROACETIC ACID

Trichloroacetic acid (TCA) is a potent peeling agent (10%–50% concentrations) often used to treat perioral lines, smoker's lines, and sun damage around the lips.

IS IT SAFE : YES USED 35% ON LIPS AND IT IS RECOMMENDED FOR HYPERPIGMENTATION

CONSIDERATION
IT FORMS WHITE PPT AT THE LIP AREA CAUSE IT REACTS WITH THE PROTEIN OF LIPS

Level 1 : Erythema (redness) with slight frosting
Level 2 : White frosting with pink showing through
Level 3 : Solid white frosting, no pink

HOW TO APPLY IT
Step 1 degreasing Acetone or alcohol applied to lips to remove all oils This determines penetration depth


Step 2 :ApplicationTCA applied with cotton tipped applicator or gauzeEven strokes across lip surfaceProvider watches frosting development in real time


Step 3 :Monitoring30-60 seconds per applicationMultiple thin layers safer than one thick applicationWatching for frosting level continuously


Step 4 Neutralization :TCA self neutralizes does NOT need baking soda unlike glycolic/salicylicWater can be applied to cool and stop sensation Never apply baking soda to TCA causes exothermic reaction

whole process takes 15 minutes
search more videos


AFTER PROCESS
Day 1-2:


Significant swelling.lips will be puffy
Tightness, redness
Vaseline only OR LIP blam

Day 3-4:

Skin starts darkening the treated tissue turns brown before shedding
Looks worse before better
Keep it moisturized

Day 5-7:

Peeling begins sheets of pigmented skin comes off
Let it shed naturally

Day 7-10:

New skin reveals underneath
Pink/red and sensitive
Looks raw at 1st

Week 2-4:

Color evens out
Redness fades

BEFORE AND AFTER


PHENOL PEEL
LOW ROI THESE METHODS ARE BETTER


2. LIP WIDTH
THIS IS THE TOPIC THAT IS MOST IGNORED RN
ORAL COMMISSURE :THE LIP CORNER . MAIN



Modiolus :muscular node at each corner

Zygomaticus minor : pulls corners outward

Bone structure underneath (maxilla width)

HA FILLER AT ORAL COMMISSURES
HA filler placed directly at oral corners

Pushes commissures laterally

0.1-0.2ml per side only

Subtle addition
LOW SUBTLE CHANGE
BOTOX AT DAO MUSCLE(DEPRESSOR ANGULI ORIS)

DAO (depressor anguli oris) pulls corners DOWN and inward

Relaxing it with botox allows corners to sit more laterally

Also fixes downturned corners simultaneously

2-4 units per side

Results take about 1–2 weeks to appear.

TEMPORARY
LOW SUBTLE CHANGE
COMMISSUROPLASTY

Commissuroplasty is a surgical procedure used to reconstruct or adjust the corners of the mouth (oral commissures), typically to correct microstomia (small mouth opening) caused by trauma, surgery, or congenital conditions. It involves repositioning the corners of the mouth to improve both functionality and aesthetics

Direct surgical repositioning of oral corners

Small incision, relatively minor procedure

Permanent width increase

Also lifts downturned corners

Downtime 1-2 weeks
DURATION
Duration & Recovery: The procedure is typically performed under local anesthesia, lasting around 1 hour, and is generally done on an ambulatory (outpatient) basis.

The results are immediately visible, with full settling occurring around 1 year post-operation.

HOW IT IS DONE
View attachment 5045890


Marking and Planning: The surgeon identifies the desired new width for the mouth. A common aesthetic landmark is the mid-pupillary line (a vertical line dropped from the center of the pupil).
Initial Incision: A horizontal incision is made starting from the existing corner of the mouth and extending outward to the new marked position.
Tissue Excision: Small triangular segments of skin are removed above and below the horizontal incision line. This creates a "gap" or defect that allows the corner of the mouth to be moved outward.
Muscle Adjustment: A small wedge of the orbicularis oris muscle (the muscle surrounding the lips) is often excised to create space for the new corner and prevent the mouth from "relapsing" to its original smaller size.
Mucosal Advancement: The inner lining of the mouth (buccal mucosa) is mobilized and pulled forward (advanced) to cover the newly created gap. This creates the new pink "vermilion" part of the lip in the widened area.
Layered Closure: The surgeon uses fine, permanent, or dissolvable sutures to close the wound in multiple layers—internal mucosa, muscle, and external skin—to ensure strength and minimize scarring

CITATION


BEFORE AND AFTER

COST
USA


$1500-4000 typically
General anesthesia adds cost
Usually not covered by insurance (cosmetic)

UK:


£1500-3500
Private clinic only

Turkey:


$500-1200
Huge medical tourism destination for this specifically
Some genuinely excellent oral surgeons
Istanbul clinics most reputable

South Korea:


$800-2000
Probably best quality to price ratio globally
Korean surgeons very experienced with perioral procedures

India:


$300-800
Quality varies significantly
Mumbai and Delhi have decent options


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So can i apply tret 0.025% cream on the lips? My lips are dark and pigmented asf
 
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So can i apply tret 0.025% cream on the lips? My lips are dark and pigmented asf
be careful it can cause chapped lips too for redness its good chemical peel is good option and wait for part 2
 
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REDNESS AND PLUMPNESS
LETS TALK ABOUT WATER METHODS TO SUM UP

PROBLEMS

1.GENES : NATURAL MELANIN PRODUCTION WHICH WILL CAUSE LIP DARKER
2. DIET : LOW AMOUNT OF IRON B2 B3 AND B6 AND VITAMIN C
3.SUN DAMAGE
4.SMOKING
5.LOW BLOOD CIRCULATION
6. DEAD SKIN CELLS IN LIP AREA


EASY FIXES
1. DONT BE DEFICIENT
2.NO SMOKING
3.SPF LIP BALM
4.LIP BRUSH USE PINK COLOUR

OTHER LESSER KNOWN METHODS

1. CAYENNE PEPPER METHOS /USING CAPSAICIN

CAPSAICIN BINDS WITH TRPV1 RECEPTOR THESE RECEPTOR DETECTS THE HEAT AND FIRE IN SKIN BINDING THESE RECEPTOR MEANS YOUR BODY IS GETTING FAKE HEAT SIGNAL AND TOO COOL THIS THE PROCESS OF VASODILATION STARTS TO OCCOUR AND THIS WILL CAUSE YOUR LIP TO BE RED AND PLUMPED

HOW TO USE


CAN USE ANY STUFF CONTAINING CAPSAICIN APPLY IT WITH VASLINE AND APPLY AT HIGHER CONC

I USED LOW CONC OF CAPSAICIN THEREFORE WORKED SLIGHTLY FOR ME USE MORE OF IT I SUGGEST BUT NOT TOO MUCH MAY CAUSE BURNS AND WAIT FOR SOME MINUTE

2. USE NIACINAMIDE AROUND BORDER IT WILL REMOVE DULL AND GREYISH LOOK

3. USING TERTINOIN : IT WILL INCREASE SKIN CELLTURN OVER OF HYPER PIGMENTED LIPS AND BOOSTS COLLAGEN IN LIP AREA
HOW IT WORKS: DISCUSSED HERE AND WORK SAME FOR LIPS BUT LIPS ARE A BIT DELICATE


BEFORE AND AFTER
ONLY FOUND ONE NOT TOO MUCH

View attachment 5040772


HOW TO APPLY
USE 0.025% USE A SMALL AMOUNT USE ONCE A WEEK THEN TWICE A WEEK IF TOLERATED AND INCREASE ITS FRQUENCY DONT USE IT 2 TIMES A DAY USE VASLINE AND GLYCERINE IT WILL SUCK ANY LIQUID AND LIPS HAS VERY THIN STRANTUM CORNEUM TO START WITH AND IT WILL CAUSE DEHYDRATION IN LIPS . IT ACCLERATES KERATINOCYTE TURNOVER SO FAST THAT THE LIPID BILAYER DONT HAVE TIME TO PROPERLY ORGANIZE

CITATION

THIS LINKS SHOWS HOW FRAGILE LIPS ARE https://share.google/r5ByWInhRKmqR8WG8

THIS IS BY MECHANISM WORKING BUT HAS LESS RESULTS AND DATA SO CANT TELL UNTIL I TRY MYSELF
LIP DEPIGMENTATION TREATMENTS

LAZER TREATMENTS

CO2 LASER
SEMI PERMANENT
REMOVES EXISTING PIGMENT BUT DOESNOT STOP FROM PRODUCING NEW ONES
WORKING
LASER VAPORIZES THE TOP LAYER OF PIGMENTED SKIN ALLOWING A NEW PINK LAYER TO GROW

Initial Results: You will typically see a significant difference after just one session as the dark skin scabs and peels off within about a week.

Full Course: Most patients require 1 to 3 sessions for complete depigmentation

Smoothing fine lines and crepey skin – The laser resurfaces the upper lip, softening superficial lines and improving the delicate, thin skin in this area.

Reducing the depth of deeper vertical wrinkles – By stimulating collagen in the dermis, CO₂ laser helps fill and flatten deeper, etched-in lines.

Tightening and firming the upper lip area – Thermal energy contracts existing collagen and encourages new fibre formation, giving the lip area a firmer, lifted appearance.

Stimulating long-term collagen production – Collagen and elastin regeneration continues for months after treatment, improving skin quality over time.

Improving pigmentation and texture – The laser evens out tone and smooths rough or dull skin, giving the upper lip a healthier, refreshed look.

Creating a smoother, more youthful lip border – Fine resurfacing enhances the lip contour, restoring definition and softening the appearance of smoker’s lines.

Because the upper lip is a small but collagen-rich area, CO₂ laser often delivers dramatic, noticeable results with minimal downtime.

TIME LINE OF IT STAYING CAUSE IT IS SEMI PERMANENT
Results can last for several years, but pigmentation may eventually return due to lifestyle habits like smoking, sun exposure, or hormonal changes.
If your lips are naturally dark due to genetics, they are more likely to eventually revert toward their original tone over time


TIME IT TAKES TO WORK


Improvements continue gradually as your skin heals and collagen rebuilds itself. Because the results come from your body’s natural regeneration, they look soft, natural, and long-lasting.

Timeline of results

1 week: Smoother surface, initial tightening
– The treated area feels firmer, and fine lines start to appear less noticeable as damaged skin is shed.

1 month: Visible reduction in fine lines – Early collagen production helps soften superficial wrinkles, and the upper lip begins to look smoother and more even.

3 months: Continued collagen remodelling – Deeper vertical lines start to diminish as new collagen strengthens the dermal layers, improving texture and elasticity.

6 months: Peak improvement – Maximum results are usually seen around six months after treatment, with a firmer, plumper, and more youthful upper lip.

Because CO₂ laser stimulates your own collagen rather than relying on fillers or artificial products, the results appear natural and harmonious, enhancing the upper lip subtly while restoring definition and smoothness.
[/SPOILER]

THIS CAN BE COMBINED WITH BOTOX AND FILLERS WHICH I WILL BE TALKING IN NEXT SECTION
IF YOU WANT TO KNOW MORE


BEFORE AND AFTER

COST : 600$ TO 1200$

PICOSECOND LASER
WORKS PERMANENT:ogre::soy:

Picosecond (Pico) laser on lips is a safe, non-invasive, and effective treatment to reduce hyperpigmentation, lighten dark lips, and promote a pinker, more even tone. Using ultra-short pulses to break down melanin without excessive heat, it also stimulates collagen for smoother lips
Pico laser technology is known for its ability to break down pigment in the skin using ultra-short pulses of energy. This treatment is commonly used for tattoo removal, skin pigmentation, and rejuvenation, making it a possible treatment option for lip lightening.

Uses picosecond pulses to break down melanin in pigmented areas
Minimal downtime, with mild redness or swelling after treatment
Suitable for a variety of skin types and concerns


WHAT HAPPENS IN THE TREATMENT
Numbing cream applied 30-45 mins before
Gives Protective eyewear
Provider passes laser over lip area in controlled pulses
Entire lip treatment 10-20 mins
Immediate response: whitening (frosting) of treated area this means pigment is being destroyed





POST TREATMENT
POST TREATMENT:

First 24-48hrs



Swelling and redness is normal
Possible darkening of pigmented spots they come up before they clear (purging effect)
Vaseline only on lips and nothing much

Week 1-2:

Pigmented areas will crust and flake off
This is the melanin fragments being expelled
use moisturizer

Week 2-4:

results starts to show
Some pinkness/redness as new tissue reveales underneath
SESSIONS
Minimum 4-6 weeks between sessions

Most lip pigmentation cases need 3-6 sessions

Severe cases or very dense melanin can need up to 8

Results are added to be seen

CITATION

BEFORE AND AFTER PLUS SOME VIDEOS ABOUT IT




COST :150$ TO 400$ PER SESSION
FULL COURSE: 600$ TO 2000$


USING CHEMICALS
TRICHLOROACETIC ACID

Trichloroacetic acid (TCA) is a potent peeling agent (10%–50% concentrations) often used to treat perioral lines, smoker's lines, and sun damage around the lips.

IS IT SAFE : YES USED 35% ON LIPS AND IT IS RECOMMENDED FOR HYPERPIGMENTATION

CONSIDERATION
IT FORMS WHITE PPT AT THE LIP AREA CAUSE IT REACTS WITH THE PROTEIN OF LIPS

Level 1 : Erythema (redness) with slight frosting
Level 2 : White frosting with pink showing through
Level 3 : Solid white frosting, no pink

HOW TO APPLY IT
Step 1 degreasing Acetone or alcohol applied to lips to remove all oils This determines penetration depth


Step 2 :ApplicationTCA applied with cotton tipped applicator or gauzeEven strokes across lip surfaceProvider watches frosting development in real time


Step 3 :Monitoring30-60 seconds per applicationMultiple thin layers safer than one thick applicationWatching for frosting level continuously


Step 4 Neutralization :TCA self neutralizes does NOT need baking soda unlike glycolic/salicylicWater can be applied to cool and stop sensation Never apply baking soda to TCA causes exothermic reaction

whole process takes 15 minutes
search more videos


AFTER PROCESS
Day 1-2:


Significant swelling.lips will be puffy
Tightness, redness
Vaseline only OR LIP blam

Day 3-4:

Skin starts darkening the treated tissue turns brown before shedding
Looks worse before better
Keep it moisturized

Day 5-7:

Peeling begins sheets of pigmented skin comes off
Let it shed naturally

Day 7-10:

New skin reveals underneath
Pink/red and sensitive
Looks raw at 1st

Week 2-4:

Color evens out
Redness fades

BEFORE AND AFTER


PHENOL PEEL
LOW ROI THESE METHODS ARE BETTER


2. LIP WIDTH
THIS IS THE TOPIC THAT IS MOST IGNORED RN
ORAL COMMISSURE :THE LIP CORNER . MAIN



Modiolus :muscular node at each corner

Zygomaticus minor : pulls corners outward

Bone structure underneath (maxilla width)

HA FILLER AT ORAL COMMISSURES
HA filler placed directly at oral corners

Pushes commissures laterally

0.1-0.2ml per side only

Subtle addition
LOW SUBTLE CHANGE
BOTOX AT DAO MUSCLE(DEPRESSOR ANGULI ORIS)

DAO (depressor anguli oris) pulls corners DOWN and inward

Relaxing it with botox allows corners to sit more laterally

Also fixes downturned corners simultaneously

2-4 units per side

Results take about 1–2 weeks to appear.

TEMPORARY
LOW SUBTLE CHANGE
COMMISSUROPLASTY

Commissuroplasty is a surgical procedure used to reconstruct or adjust the corners of the mouth (oral commissures), typically to correct microstomia (small mouth opening) caused by trauma, surgery, or congenital conditions. It involves repositioning the corners of the mouth to improve both functionality and aesthetics

Direct surgical repositioning of oral corners

Small incision, relatively minor procedure

Permanent width increase

Also lifts downturned corners

Downtime 1-2 weeks
DURATION
Duration & Recovery: The procedure is typically performed under local anesthesia, lasting around 1 hour, and is generally done on an ambulatory (outpatient) basis.

The results are immediately visible, with full settling occurring around 1 year post-operation.

HOW IT IS DONE
View attachment 5045890


Marking and Planning: The surgeon identifies the desired new width for the mouth. A common aesthetic landmark is the mid-pupillary line (a vertical line dropped from the center of the pupil).
Initial Incision: A horizontal incision is made starting from the existing corner of the mouth and extending outward to the new marked position.
Tissue Excision: Small triangular segments of skin are removed above and below the horizontal incision line. This creates a "gap" or defect that allows the corner of the mouth to be moved outward.
Muscle Adjustment: A small wedge of the orbicularis oris muscle (the muscle surrounding the lips) is often excised to create space for the new corner and prevent the mouth from "relapsing" to its original smaller size.
Mucosal Advancement: The inner lining of the mouth (buccal mucosa) is mobilized and pulled forward (advanced) to cover the newly created gap. This creates the new pink "vermilion" part of the lip in the widened area.
Layered Closure: The surgeon uses fine, permanent, or dissolvable sutures to close the wound in multiple layers—internal mucosa, muscle, and external skin—to ensure strength and minimize scarring

CITATION


BEFORE AND AFTER

COST
USA


$1500-4000 typically
General anesthesia adds cost
Usually not covered by insurance (cosmetic)

UK:


£1500-3500
Private clinic only

Turkey:


$500-1200
Huge medical tourism destination for this specifically
Some genuinely excellent oral surgeons
Istanbul clinics most reputable

South Korea:


$800-2000
Probably best quality to price ratio globally
Korean surgeons very experienced with perioral procedures

India:


$300-800
Quality varies significantly
Mumbai and Delhi have decent options


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Good shit boss o7
 
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Tbh I'd say no, but very close. atleast should be in the "threads you might've missed section"
thanks for feedback i will try to cover more in 2nd part i didnt see any lip guide in here so i tried to post this
 
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BUMP SEMI FINAL
 
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THREAD SONG



REDNESS AND PLUMPNESS
LETS TALK ABOUT WATER METHODS TO SUM UP

PROBLEMS

1.GENES : NATURAL MELANIN PRODUCTION WHICH WILL CAUSE LIP DARKER
2. DIET : LOW AMOUNT OF IRON B2 B3 AND B6 AND VITAMIN C
3.SUN DAMAGE
4.SMOKING
5.LOW BLOOD CIRCULATION
6. DEAD SKIN CELLS IN LIP AREA


EASY FIXES
1. DONT BE DEFICIENT
2.NO SMOKING
3.SPF LIP BALM
4.LIP BRUSH USE PINK COLOUR

OTHER LESSER KNOWN METHODS

1. CAYENNE PEPPER METHOS /USING CAPSAICIN

CAPSAICIN BINDS WITH TRPV1 RECEPTOR THESE RECEPTOR DETECTS THE HEAT AND FIRE IN SKIN BINDING THESE RECEPTOR MEANS YOUR BODY IS GETTING FAKE HEAT SIGNAL AND TOO COOL THIS THE PROCESS OF VASODILATION STARTS TO OCCOUR AND THIS WILL CAUSE YOUR LIP TO BE RED AND PLUMPED

HOW TO USE


CAN USE ANY STUFF CONTAINING CAPSAICIN APPLY IT WITH VASLINE AND APPLY AT HIGHER CONC

I USED LOW CONC OF CAPSAICIN THEREFORE WORKED SLIGHTLY FOR ME USE MORE OF IT I SUGGEST BUT NOT TOO MUCH MAY CAUSE BURNS AND WAIT FOR SOME MINUTE

2. USE NIACINAMIDE AROUND BORDER IT WILL REMOVE DULL AND GREYISH LOOK

3. USING TERTINOIN : IT WILL INCREASE SKIN CELLTURN OVER OF HYPER PIGMENTED LIPS AND BOOSTS COLLAGEN IN LIP AREA
HOW IT WORKS: DISCUSSED HERE AND WORK SAME FOR LIPS BUT LIPS ARE A BIT DELICATE


BEFORE AND AFTER
ONLY FOUND ONE NOT TOO MUCH

View attachment 5040772


HOW TO APPLY
USE 0.025% USE A SMALL AMOUNT USE ONCE A WEEK THEN TWICE A WEEK IF TOLERATED AND INCREASE ITS FRQUENCY DONT USE IT 2 TIMES A DAY USE VASLINE AND GLYCERINE IT WILL SUCK ANY LIQUID AND LIPS HAS VERY THIN STRANTUM CORNEUM TO START WITH AND IT WILL CAUSE DEHYDRATION IN LIPS . IT ACCLERATES KERATINOCYTE TURNOVER SO FAST THAT THE LIPID BILAYER DONT HAVE TIME TO PROPERLY ORGANIZE

CITATION

THIS LINKS SHOWS HOW FRAGILE LIPS ARE https://share.google/r5ByWInhRKmqR8WG8

THIS IS BY MECHANISM WORKING BUT HAS LESS RESULTS AND DATA SO CANT TELL UNTIL I TRY MYSELF
LIP DEPIGMENTATION TREATMENTS

LAZER TREATMENTS

CO2 LASER
SEMI PERMANENT
REMOVES EXISTING PIGMENT BUT DOESNOT STOP FROM PRODUCING NEW ONES
WORKING
LASER VAPORIZES THE TOP LAYER OF PIGMENTED SKIN ALLOWING A NEW PINK LAYER TO GROW

Initial Results: You will typically see a significant difference after just one session as the dark skin scabs and peels off within about a week.

Full Course: Most patients require 1 to 3 sessions for complete depigmentation

Smoothing fine lines and crepey skin – The laser resurfaces the upper lip, softening superficial lines and improving the delicate, thin skin in this area.

Reducing the depth of deeper vertical wrinkles – By stimulating collagen in the dermis, CO₂ laser helps fill and flatten deeper, etched-in lines.

Tightening and firming the upper lip area – Thermal energy contracts existing collagen and encourages new fibre formation, giving the lip area a firmer, lifted appearance.

Stimulating long-term collagen production – Collagen and elastin regeneration continues for months after treatment, improving skin quality over time.

Improving pigmentation and texture – The laser evens out tone and smooths rough or dull skin, giving the upper lip a healthier, refreshed look.

Creating a smoother, more youthful lip border – Fine resurfacing enhances the lip contour, restoring definition and softening the appearance of smoker’s lines.

Because the upper lip is a small but collagen-rich area, CO₂ laser often delivers dramatic, noticeable results with minimal downtime.

TIME LINE OF IT STAYING CAUSE IT IS SEMI PERMANENT
Results can last for several years, but pigmentation may eventually return due to lifestyle habits like smoking, sun exposure, or hormonal changes.
If your lips are naturally dark due to genetics, they are more likely to eventually revert toward their original tone over time


TIME IT TAKES TO WORK


Improvements continue gradually as your skin heals and collagen rebuilds itself. Because the results come from your body’s natural regeneration, they look soft, natural, and long-lasting.

Timeline of results

1 week: Smoother surface, initial tightening
– The treated area feels firmer, and fine lines start to appear less noticeable as damaged skin is shed.

1 month: Visible reduction in fine lines – Early collagen production helps soften superficial wrinkles, and the upper lip begins to look smoother and more even.

3 months: Continued collagen remodelling – Deeper vertical lines start to diminish as new collagen strengthens the dermal layers, improving texture and elasticity.

6 months: Peak improvement – Maximum results are usually seen around six months after treatment, with a firmer, plumper, and more youthful upper lip.

Because CO₂ laser stimulates your own collagen rather than relying on fillers or artificial products, the results appear natural and harmonious, enhancing the upper lip subtly while restoring definition and smoothness.
[/SPOILER]

THIS CAN BE COMBINED WITH BOTOX AND FILLERS WHICH I WILL BE TALKING IN NEXT SECTION
IF YOU WANT TO KNOW MORE


BEFORE AND AFTER

COST : 600$ TO 1200$

PICOSECOND LASER
WORKS PERMANENT:ogre::soy:

Picosecond (Pico) laser on lips is a safe, non-invasive, and effective treatment to reduce hyperpigmentation, lighten dark lips, and promote a pinker, more even tone. Using ultra-short pulses to break down melanin without excessive heat, it also stimulates collagen for smoother lips
Pico laser technology is known for its ability to break down pigment in the skin using ultra-short pulses of energy. This treatment is commonly used for tattoo removal, skin pigmentation, and rejuvenation, making it a possible treatment option for lip lightening.

Uses picosecond pulses to break down melanin in pigmented areas
Minimal downtime, with mild redness or swelling after treatment
Suitable for a variety of skin types and concerns


WHAT HAPPENS IN THE TREATMENT
Numbing cream applied 30-45 mins before
Gives Protective eyewear
Provider passes laser over lip area in controlled pulses
Entire lip treatment 10-20 mins
Immediate response: whitening (frosting) of treated area this means pigment is being destroyed





POST TREATMENT
POST TREATMENT:

First 24-48hrs



Swelling and redness is normal
Possible darkening of pigmented spots they come up before they clear (purging effect)
Vaseline only on lips and nothing much

Week 1-2:

Pigmented areas will crust and flake off
This is the melanin fragments being expelled
use moisturizer

Week 2-4:

results starts to show
Some pinkness/redness as new tissue reveales underneath
SESSIONS
Minimum 4-6 weeks between sessions

Most lip pigmentation cases need 3-6 sessions

Severe cases or very dense melanin can need up to 8

Results are added to be seen

CITATION

BEFORE AND AFTER PLUS SOME VIDEOS ABOUT IT




COST :150$ TO 400$ PER SESSION
FULL COURSE: 600$ TO 2000$


USING CHEMICALS
TRICHLOROACETIC ACID

Trichloroacetic acid (TCA) is a potent peeling agent (10%–50% concentrations) often used to treat perioral lines, smoker's lines, and sun damage around the lips.

IS IT SAFE : YES USED 35% ON LIPS AND IT IS RECOMMENDED FOR HYPERPIGMENTATION

CONSIDERATION
IT FORMS WHITE PPT AT THE LIP AREA CAUSE IT REACTS WITH THE PROTEIN OF LIPS

Level 1 : Erythema (redness) with slight frosting
Level 2 : White frosting with pink showing through
Level 3 : Solid white frosting, no pink

HOW TO APPLY IT
Step 1 degreasing Acetone or alcohol applied to lips to remove all oils This determines penetration depth


Step 2 :ApplicationTCA applied with cotton tipped applicator or gauzeEven strokes across lip surfaceProvider watches frosting development in real time


Step 3 :Monitoring30-60 seconds per applicationMultiple thin layers safer than one thick applicationWatching for frosting level continuously


Step 4 Neutralization :TCA self neutralizes does NOT need baking soda unlike glycolic/salicylicWater can be applied to cool and stop sensation Never apply baking soda to TCA causes exothermic reaction

whole process takes 15 minutes
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AFTER PROCESS
Day 1-2:


Significant swelling.lips will be puffy
Tightness, redness
Vaseline only OR LIP blam

Day 3-4:

Skin starts darkening the treated tissue turns brown before shedding
Looks worse before better
Keep it moisturized

Day 5-7:

Peeling begins sheets of pigmented skin comes off
Let it shed naturally

Day 7-10:

New skin reveals underneath
Pink/red and sensitive
Looks raw at 1st

Week 2-4:

Color evens out
Redness fades

BEFORE AND AFTER


PHENOL PEEL
LOW ROI THESE METHODS ARE BETTER


2. LIP WIDTH
THIS IS THE TOPIC THAT IS MOST IGNORED RN
ORAL COMMISSURE :THE LIP CORNER . MAIN



Modiolus :muscular node at each corner

Zygomaticus minor : pulls corners outward

Bone structure underneath (maxilla width)

HA FILLER AT ORAL COMMISSURES
HA filler placed directly at oral corners

Pushes commissures laterally

0.1-0.2ml per side only

Subtle addition
LOW SUBTLE CHANGE
BOTOX AT DAO MUSCLE(DEPRESSOR ANGULI ORIS)

DAO (depressor anguli oris) pulls corners DOWN and inward

Relaxing it with botox allows corners to sit more laterally

Also fixes downturned corners simultaneously

2-4 units per side

Results take about 1–2 weeks to appear.

TEMPORARY
LOW SUBTLE CHANGE
COMMISSUROPLASTY

Commissuroplasty is a surgical procedure used to reconstruct or adjust the corners of the mouth (oral commissures), typically to correct microstomia (small mouth opening) caused by trauma, surgery, or congenital conditions. It involves repositioning the corners of the mouth to improve both functionality and aesthetics

Direct surgical repositioning of oral corners

Small incision, relatively minor procedure

Permanent width increase

Also lifts downturned corners

Downtime 1-2 weeks
DURATION
Duration & Recovery: The procedure is typically performed under local anesthesia, lasting around 1 hour, and is generally done on an ambulatory (outpatient) basis.

The results are immediately visible, with full settling occurring around 1 year post-operation.

HOW IT IS DONE
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Marking and Planning: The surgeon identifies the desired new width for the mouth. A common aesthetic landmark is the mid-pupillary line (a vertical line dropped from the center of the pupil).
Initial Incision: A horizontal incision is made starting from the existing corner of the mouth and extending outward to the new marked position.
Tissue Excision: Small triangular segments of skin are removed above and below the horizontal incision line. This creates a "gap" or defect that allows the corner of the mouth to be moved outward.
Muscle Adjustment: A small wedge of the orbicularis oris muscle (the muscle surrounding the lips) is often excised to create space for the new corner and prevent the mouth from "relapsing" to its original smaller size.
Mucosal Advancement: The inner lining of the mouth (buccal mucosa) is mobilized and pulled forward (advanced) to cover the newly created gap. This creates the new pink "vermilion" part of the lip in the widened area.
Layered Closure: The surgeon uses fine, permanent, or dissolvable sutures to close the wound in multiple layers—internal mucosa, muscle, and external skin—to ensure strength and minimize scarring

CITATION


BEFORE AND AFTER

COST
USA


$1500-4000 typically
General anesthesia adds cost
Usually not covered by insurance (cosmetic)

UK:


£1500-3500
Private clinic only

Turkey:


$500-1200
Huge medical tourism destination for this specifically
Some genuinely excellent oral surgeons
Istanbul clinics most reputable

South Korea:


$800-2000
Probably best quality to price ratio globally
Korean surgeons very experienced with perioral procedures

India:


$300-800
Quality varies significantly
Mumbai and Delhi have decent options


PALLET EXPANSION
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