List of surgeries im getting, post urs too

[anti caking agents]

I have my consultations upcomming and therefore nothing decided atm because I will adapt my plan to incorporate the information gleamed from the surgeons. However it will be one or a combination of the following:

• Bimax + Chinwing
• Chinwing
• Sliding Genioplasty

I will be posting updates later on, of course and the operation should be done with late summer this year. Depending on the result from these I might get some fillers for more angularity + to plump up my lips.

 

[kota]

I’ve decided against cutting anything above the jaw completely at this point

If you feel you can’t do without it, then it makes sense. Yes, youll most likely look a little better if it’s done right

Will you be satisfied? Probably not tbh

You must have a hefty malocclusion and overjet to be able to get anything out of BSSO alone though?

 

[Justttt]

Hopefully rhinoplasty this year as my nose is crooked, also worsens my breathing as I already have nasal polyps so should be covered by insurance.

 

[KEy21]

You must have a hefty malocclusion and overjet to be able to get anything out of BSSO alone though?

Nope not at all actually

That blackpilled Russian surgeon said I didn’t need anything

It’s just a small measurable occlusion that’s not ideal and non ideal genetically inherited bone structure further exacerbated and facilitated by poor oral posture

I just want things to be more forward than they are and for good reason. It’s just a looksmaxxing endeavor not really a functional problem in any regard

 

[kota]

Nope not at all actually

That blackpilled Russian surgeon said I didn’t need anything

It’s just a small measurable occlusion that’s not ideal and non ideal genetically inherited bone structure further exacerbated and facilitated by poor oral posture

I just want things to be more forward than they are and for good reason. It’s just a looksmaxxing endeavor not really a functional problem in any regard

I'm sure he knows what he's talking about but I'm confused how this would work if you already have a decent occlusion. Sounds to me like if you already have good occlusion and only advance the lower jaw you would get yourself an underbite. Do you know how this will be avoided?

I also sent him my CT and dental pics (with decent occlusion to start with) and in my case it will be bimax if anything.

Btw what makes you say you won't be content with a lefort too? Nose changes?

 

[KEy21]

I'm sure he knows what he's talking about by I'm confused how this would work if you already have a decent occlusion. Sounds to me like if you already have good occlusion and only advance the lower jaw you would turn into class 3. Do you know how this will be avoided?

I also sent him my CT and dental pics (with decent occlusion to start with) and in my case it wll be bimax if anything.

Btw what makes you say you won't be content with a lefort too? Nose changes?

I actually have no idea and that’s a good question. It’s still in the infancy stages of planning so far so a blueprint hasn’t even been made yet since I haven’t given the surgeon the go ahead yet to start planning. It’s just been basically all talk at this point and speculation

Anyway, much higher risk of blindness (especially with implants around that area), don’t want my canthoplexy or other movements to come undone that were made,

And I can just cope with a few cheap implants in that area and live with my mouth area not being ideally projected

Can’t cope with my face being numb for a year

Jaw is much more beneficial and practical in my case; where I already have several midface implants

It mitigates the constant re up on filler every few months as well

 

[elfmaxx]

Hair transplant only tbh.

 

[lookserumaxeru]

Genioplasty
lefort1+bsso
ptosis surgery

 

[Deleted member 4416]

ccw rotation
rhino
lateral bleparoplasty
stroma
lasik
probably orbital rim implants

 

[kota]

I actually have no idea and that’s a good question. It’s still in the infancy stages of planning so far so a blueprint hasn’t even been made yet since I haven’t given the surgeon the go ahead yet to start planning. It’s just been basically all talk at this point and speculation

Anyway, much higher risk of blindness (especially with implants around that area), don’t want my canthoplexy or other movements to come undone that were made,

And I can just cope with a few cheap implants in that area and live with my mouth area not being ideally projected

Can’t cope with my face being numb for a year

Jaw is much more beneficial and practical in my case; where I already have several midface implants

It mitigates the constant re up on filler every few months as well

Yeah I'm genuinely confused by this unless there was some miscommunication and he just intends to do a chin wing, which would be an option if you want to advance the mandible without changing the occlusion.

I get your point about the implants, but do you really think bimax would risk the cantho results? I've had eye work myself and intend on doing bimax. The cut itself is far from the same area and I've seen studies suggesting bimax can help slightly with the eye support if anything.

 

[KEy21]

Yeah I'm genuinely confused by this unless there was some miscommunication and he just intends to do a chin wing, which would be an option if you want to advance the mandible without changing the occlusion.

I get your point about the implants, but do you really think bimax would risk the cantho results? I've had eye work myself and intend on doing bimax. The cut itself is far from the same area and I've seen studies suggesting bimax can help slightly with the eye support if anything.

It depends, I’m just paranoid. I don’t think surgeons do this often on people who have already had implants, fillers and canthoplexy lower eyelid retraction etc. so I just wanna talk about it first before id ever commit

But the blindness is still an issue and the swelling, so I’d still decide against regardless in all likelihood

 

[Luke LLL]

just canthal tilt with taban

 

[Averagecel]

live with my mouth area not being ideally projected

What do you mean by that? How does an ideally projected mouth area look like?

 

[KEy21]

What do you mean by that? How does an ideally projected mouth area look like?

 

[PenileFacialSurgery]

-FAGGA
-MSE with Facepulling
-Shit thst also expands jaw
-SFOT
-LeFort 2 or 3 Upwards rotation
-Chin, Jaw, Cheekbone Implants
-Rhino
-Skull Implants
-Browridge Implants
-Undereye Implants
-Orbital Box Osteotomy

-Leg Lengthening
-Clavicle Lengthening
-Arm Lengthening

-HGH & Roids


But possibly more and or other options.

 

[Averagecel]

-Orbital Box Osteotomy

No surgeon in the west will perform this surgery on you, unless you have Marko Jaric tier IPD. Your only option is to find a money hungry surgeon in India.

 

[PenileFacialSurgery]

No surgeon in the west will perform this surgery on you, unless you have Marko Jaric tier IPD. Your only option is to find a money hungry surgeon in India.

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Yeah I was going to include “maybe”

Heard there was really good Jew doctor who does this for aesthetic purposes in the US but I don’t know.

 

[Averagecel]

Yeah I was going to include “maybe”

Heard there was really good Jew doctor who does this for aesthetic purposes in the US but I don’t know.

What's your IPD?

 

[PenileFacialSurgery]

What's your IPD?

I can’t really properly measure

But like 55-60 more like 59 idk

 

[needsolution]

-FAGGA
-MSE with Facepulling
-Shit thst also expands jaw
-SFOT
-LeFort 2 or 3 Upwards rotation
-Chin, Jaw, Cheekbone Implants
-Rhino
-Skull Implants
-Browridge Implants
-Undereye Implants
-Orbital Box Osteotomy

-Leg Lengthening
-Clavicle Lengthening
-Arm Lengthening

-HGH & Roids


But possibly more and or other options.

Not gonna happen

 

[PenileFacialSurgery]

Not gonna happen

Sick my dick faggot .cocel

You’re not gonna do shit either

 

[needsolution]

No surgeon in the west will perform this surgery on you, unless you have Marko Jaric tier IPD. Your only option is to find a money hungry surgeon in India.

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There is many money hungry surgeons in west who would perform it for aesthetic purpose. OBO isnt that dangerous tho

 

[Golden Glass]

No surgeon in the west will perform this surgery on you, unless you have Marko Jaric tier IPD. Your only option is to find a money hungry surgeon in India.

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S. Anthony Wolfe and Douglass Sinn

 

[needsolution]

S. Anthony Wolfe and Douglass Sinn

And possibly many more. Only problem is money. People forget that everyone has their own price.

 

[Golden Glass]

And possibly many more. Only problem is money. People forget that everyone has their own price.

Yep.

I had been considering OBO for my IPD (already have 68-69 mm but believed that once I get MSE, my zygos would be too wide), as well as for vertical and depth orbital dystopia....

Now that I believe MSE can increase IPD a bit, if after I get MSE it does so, then I’d likely just get implants to raise the bottom of the eye socket of the lower eye, and asymmetrical orbital decompression vía Taban to address the depth asymmetry. So in all likelihood OBO for me would be overkill. But if I do ever want it, I know where to go (and how roughly much money it would be)

 

[needsolution]

Yep.

I had been considering OBO for my IPD (already have 68-69 mm but believed that once I get MSE, my zygos would be too wide), as well as for vertical and depth orbital dystopia....

Now that I believe MSE can increase IPD a bit, if after I get MSE it does so, then I’d likely just get implants to raise the bottom of the eye socket of the lower eye, and asymmetrical orbital decompression vía Taban to address the depth asymmetry. So in all likelihood OBO for me would be overkill. But if I do ever want it, I know where to go (and how roughly much money it would be)

No bro, you dont understand one thing. Its not about ipd, its all about PFL bro.

 

[Golden Glass]

No bro, you dont understand one thing. Its not about ipd, its all about PFL bro.

Lmao, I agree PFL is also important

 

[needsolution]

Lmao, PFL is also important

Pfl makes ur ipd wider or narrower.
I believe its most important feature.
Good exampld on good ipd and small pfl is AstroSky

He will never ascend any higher because his bad PFL. People here talking about MSE and IPD forget that you want to have harmonious face. There is no usage from good ipd since ur pfl wont match it.

 

[Golden Glass]

Pfl makes ur ipd wider or narrower.
I believe its most important feature.
Good exampld on good ipd and small pfl is AstroSky
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He will never ascend any higher because his bad PFL. People here talking about MSE and IPD forget that you want to have harmonious face. There is no usage from good ipd since ur pfl wont match it.

Astroskys eyes look fine tbh, his issue is philtrum and nose (in that pic midface looks too long but probably just Lens distortion).

And I generally agree but doesn’t someone like Chris Hemsworth and Nick Bateman both have below average PFL and (and hemsworth even has narrow IPD). And they both still get away with it.

 

[needsolution]

Astroskys eyes look fine tbh, his issue is philtrum and nose (in that pic midface looks too long but probably just Lens distortion).

And I generally agree but doesn’t someone like Chris Hemsworth and Nick Bateman both have below average PFL and (and hemsworth even has narrow IPD). And they both still get away with it.

Chemsworth has averagish pfl and 63mm ipd. I was arguing with fuk yeasterday and measured it by myself.

Bateman seems to have slighty below average pfl.

Yeah but u know they have top tier phenos, good hooding, eye height, eyebrows, eye color (in Chris case), harmony, hair, height. Literally a lot to compensate this one small below average feature. Just expection.

I been thinking how to increase pfl, need to find doctor and ask about my method.

 

[KEy21]

Pfl makes ur ipd wider or narrower.
I believe its most important feature.
Good exampld on good ipd and small pfl is AstroSky
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He will never ascend any higher because his bad PFL. People here talking about MSE and IPD forget that you want to have harmonious face. There is no usage from good ipd since ur pfl wont match it.

He’ll never ascend higher because he won’t fix his maxilla

Most of the looksmaxxing from here on out with him at his looks level, will be improvements to the side profile

 

[Ethnicope]

Penis shortening

 

[Golden Glass]

Chemsworth has averagish pfl and 63mm ipd. I was arguing with fuk yeasterday and measured it by myself.
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Bateman seems to have slighty below average pfl.

Yeah but u know they have top tier phenos, good hooding, eye height, eyebrows, eye color (in Chris case), harmony, hair, height. Literally a lot to compensate this one small below average feature. Just expection.

I been thinking how to increase pfl, need to find doctor and ask about my method.

Isn’t hemsworth like a good standard deviation below average? If those are in fact his measurements.

BTW, just measured mine, and got 30.8mm, assuming I’d have 11.77mm irises (I have myopia so it’s likely I have bigger irises). This could explain why my IPD doesn’t look wide on my face.

 

[needsolution]

Isn’t hemsworth like a good standard deviation below average? If those are in fact his measurements.

BTW, just measured mine, and got 30.8mm, assuming I’d have 11.77mm irises (I have myopia so it’s likely I have bigger irises). This could explain why my IPD doesn’t look wide on my face.

Depends on your facial width. My ipd is like 58mm and it looks wide set due to my smaller than average head.

 

[medialcanthuscel]

-Stroma to get even lighter eyes than my dark blue ehes
-MSE
-Facepuller with bult in palate expander to shorten my midface by pulling upwards and forwards
-Get a rhinoplasty once my midface is shorter so my nose itself can actually get shorter aswell, considering the bone around it shortened
-Genioplasty/Wraparound jaw implant
-Eye surgery to fix my mild eye assymetry
-Eyebrow transplant/minoxidil/bionyl on eyebrows for thicker more masculine eyebrows
-Dyeing hair darker and eyebrows too, lashes too
-Cheekbone implants
-Infra Orbital implants/undereye Fillers for dark spots
-Neck training
-Hairline lowering
-Something else to get truly hunterish eyes

No face puller or surgery can make a midface shorter jfl

 

[needsolution]

No face puller or surgery can make a midface shorter jfl

Lefort 2 with ccw can make it shorter by a couple mms.

 

[WBC323]

I would probably need to recreate my whole body to get to chad tier

 

[Averagecel]

Is it really that important? Imo side profile is cope. What matters is front and 3/4.

 

[JamesHowlett]

Only surgery I’d think of getting is something for eye shape.

Other than that, leanmaxxing and hairmaxxing work great for me due to good base.

 

[Golden Glass]

Is it really that important? Imo side profile is cope. What matters is fromt and 3/4.

Yes

 

[KEy21]

Is it really that important? Imo side profile is cope. What matters is fromt and 3/4.

You can still see a difference from the front when the teeth are moved forward

And if 3/4 matters then side profile matters too lol

 

[Joyride]

Lefort 1+ Double Jaw Surgery
Rhinoplasty
Eyebrow implant
Chin implant after jaw surgery

very unlikely but maybe - canthoplasty

 

[Averagecel]

And if 3/4 matters then side profile matters too lol

You couldn't be more wrong.

3/4 >>>>> side profile

3/4 is still the front but from a different angle. You can still see most features and facial structure like hollow cheeks, ogee curve, nose width, mouth width, eyebrow width, IPD, PFL, medial canthus, and canthal tilt in 3/4, whereas in side profile you can't see those features.

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Also, when people remember you, they remember you by your front or 3/4, not side profile.

 

[KEy21]

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You couldn't be more wrong.

3/4 >>>>> side profile

3/4 is still the front but from a different angle. You can still see most features and facial structure like hollow cheeks, ogee curve, nose width, mouth width, eyebrow width, IPD, PFL, medial canthus, and canthal tilt in 3/4, whereas in side profile you can't see those features.

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Also, when people remember you, they remember you by your front or 3/4, not side profile.

In regard to the 3/4 vs side profile vs front, I’d still say front is the clear winner bar none.

Meeks has a nice aesthetic mouth area tbh, it looks good from the front as well. So he’s not the best example for this, although I get what you’re saying and agree for the most part.

You also have to remember that with the lefort 1 that it’s not only the mouth getting moved forward, but other parts surrounding that may have had immense volume deficiency before. So while it’s great, the mouth is only an added bonus.

I, personally, think a nice forward mouth area is part of an ideal overall package. Is it insanely important for being attractive? Of course not. But it’s an insanely good feature in a lot of pretty looking people that can be further halod by other surrounding features that work in harmony together.

 

[Deleted member 685]

No face puller or surgery can make a midface shorter jfl

How would you know? If you find a way to shorten the underlying bone and then get a rhino for example to fix the outside it could help. MSE has been proven to help too

 

[medialcanthuscel]

you can't shorten the central part of the skull omg

 

[Deleted member 685]

you can't shorten the central part of the skull omg

You don't understand it. And we're talking purely about the maxilla

 

[Golden Glass]

you can't shorten the central part of the skull omg

•Midface advancement really makes the midface look shorter
•Maxillary impaction actually does shorten it,

and getting a rhino and/or lip lift afterward would make the actual appearance of the midface itself even shorter.

NOTE: that image is of a maxillary impaction and maxillary setback—unless you have severe overbite a maxillary setback shouldn’t be done, but anyone can get maxillary impaction.

 

[medialcanthuscel]

anyone can get maxillary impaction.

 

[PenileFacialSurgery]

Pfl makes ur ipd wider or narrower.
I believe its most important feature.
Good exampld on good ipd and small pfl is AstroSky
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He will never ascend any higher because his bad PFL. People here talking about MSE and IPD forget that you want to have harmonious face. There is no usage from good ipd since ur pfl wont match it.

You’re retarded.