Lmao how can my girl says she is not sexually attracted to Vinnie Hacker?

[the BULL]

Do you really want me to get her to rate you? For you I'll twist her arm to do it on voice-note. But I'll have to say you are my friend like I did forevergymcelling when she rated him and tbqh with you mate, I think that's a major failo and could put my relationship in jeopardy.

Yes send her those Pics

Tell her that i want to know if i'm High appeal to blonde PAWGs like her

 

[Pharmaceutic]

The guy has NCT and is still in the top 5 most popular and talked about tiktokers by girls worldwide. He is genius IQ.

Never understood why NCT is seen as a net negative here. As far as I understand facial traits and whether they qualify as qualities or defects, most things that get taken as 'defects' here just get taken as defects because they are likelier to not play into the face's harmony or proportions than the alternative (i.e positive tilt in this case), not because they are actual, universal defects.

NCT can have a lot of appeal, especially if just slight and not overblown. It plays into a 'softer', 'puppy eyed' look that, combined with some other, more dimorphic traits, can help play into the pretty boy or maesthetic niches. It's the kinda shit that, when placed on the right face, will be described as 'dreamy' as opposed to 'intimidating', and that makes for its own kind of niche.

Source: have slight NCT with good eye area and eye area is always the part of me girls like the most and compliment me the most on

 

[Seth Walsh]

Where did you get all your facial aesthetics IQ from can I quickly ask? Any documentaries or anything you can point me towards?

PM'd you

 

[MakinItHappenReturn]

Yes send her those Pics View attachment 1876722View attachment 1876729View attachment 1876734

Tell her that i want to know if i'm High appeal to blonde PAWGs like her

I am not gonna do it today. I'll do it in person and then record it. Will send it to her phone then.

One autist discussion is enough for now + I reckon I'll get more out of her in person

This is the best pic I've seen of you btw. Prettyboxmaxxing

Your eyes are good

 

[Oberyn]

You don't need to explain the obvious to me. What you are saying is elementary.

My point is he has bone-mass, yet she says he looks like a boy. How can you have such sexual dimorphism in your face and still be seen as a boy? So this more comes down to his style than anything else.

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Also stop capping. Everyone with a brain knows you got filler. It's like saying Salludoon looks like he does now today because of mewing. It's fucking bullshit

half of the forum believes salludon hasn't got any surgery.

 

[Deleted member 18840]

Speaking facts my man!

Getting to 10% without being a roid/over/ogrecel is the best thing you can do for your face and entire appearance. So many people get caught up with things that'll just keep them from making the real improvements. Every day I see some thread like "That's it I'm pinning Test. ordered Test E gonna inject 500mg should I do it guys?". Anyone who's unsure of things or looking for validation and not looking to learn how to actually looksmax properly, is just doing themselves a disservice and wasting their time.

The amount of stuff I trialled over the past years is insane, dnp, clen, t3, 5-amino-1mq, nr, pqq, resveratrol, pqq, bromantane, cistanche, tongkat, lions mane, cordyceps, yohimbine, melanotan2... the list could literally go on forever - hundreds of supps and compounds.

But now I'm coming to the ultimate conclusion that you need to get to 10% so your face will gain angularity and your actual features will show, before you can even think about anything else. That's what looksmaxing is. That's the reality.

Having too much muscle at 10% and looking like a trenbolone freak also ruins the look. People need to do this shit properly if they actually care as much as you and I. There's no shortcuts and it's really really hard to get as lean as the people you see at the top of tiktok or male models.

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No fat allowed! Go to the gym and have a strict/consistent routine so you have some muscle at the end and you don't have an ultra-twink body.

That's it.

FACE FIRST

I love how you exactly nailed it im tired to argue with aspies who don’t know how the world works. Even for recessedcels, when they are lean enough, the angularity is enough to offpull the flaws on average.

But people want to just sit on a surgical table and have all the work done for them.

Reality is looksmaxxing is a grind, its a war, where every single battle matters.

To this day i don’t know how i look like, because not lean enough. Even for your own identity and self understanding you NEED to be lean.
What else we can learn from tiktokers is that hairstyle is super important and criminally underated while hairpill is overated. I mean yes having hair is necessity but then hairstyle is way more important than the rest.

And eventually skin. Why do you think they wear makeup ? Because those three indicators are the most important. And you need to do everything to have a glowing skin irl.
Why do you think chico looks INSANE only in his modelling pics and videos? Its mainly a hairstyle and makeup to have perfect glowing skin pill. Even him who is epitome of harmony can’t get as harmonious as he was during shooting. Because it matters. And its retarded to get depressed over your looksminned self comparing it to them.

One last thing is lightning and angle. Lightning when you are 10% bodyfat, glowing skin, perfect hairstyle and haircut is cherry on top.

The equivalent of lightning irl when youre at top of your potential is STYLEMAXXING. Its NEVER talked enough here. STYLE and AURA makes or break you and its harder to find a proper one fitting you than finding the right surgery. Why do you think normies since a young age all are stylemaxxed?

 

[alriodai]

But let's also remember, while he has all these soft features that appeal to the female gaze; hair, eye-colour, lips, leanness etc... he does have absolute mogger bone-size and they are structured well. His proportions, measurements etc are on-point.

Don't you think that it's more he has a super sexually dimorphic face that he then softens up with various tricks and together it works it's magic? How tall is he btw? Can't be less than 5'8?

He's 5ft11 to 6ft (listed in his baseball HS team, his driver card and his boxing match against deji)
There is not way he is 5ft7 to 5ft8, his tall proportions just don't go along with that height, unless he's small IRL

Something that can help you is that Vinnie used to browse PSL forums, in a now deleted tweet back in November 2020, he said that he was insecure about his looks and that he used to browse internet forums to improve them, could be Lookism if it was there in 2017 or other forums

Not every advice applies to everyone tho, he was smart enough to know what works for him and do it

 

[Deleted member 18840]

I am not gonna do it today. I'll do it in person and then record it. Will send it to her phone then.

One autist discussion is enough for now + I reckon I'll get more out of her in person

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This is the best pic I've seen of you btw. Prettyboxmaxxing

Your eyes are good

He looks good ngl

 

[Seth Walsh]

Never understood why NCT is seen as a net negative here. As far as I understand facial traits and whether they qualify as qualities or defects, most things that get taken as 'defects' here just get taken as defects because they are likelier to not play into the face's harmony or proportions than the alternative (i.e positive tilt in this case), not because they are actual, universal defects.

NCT can have a lot of appeal, especially if just slight and not overblown. It plays into a 'softer', 'puppy eyed' look that, combined with some other, more dimorphic traits, can help play into the pretty boy or maesthetic niches. It's the kinda shit that, when placed on the right face, will be described as 'dreamy' as opposed to 'intimidating', and that makes for its own kind of niche.

Source: have slight NCT with good eye area and eye area is always the part of me girls like the most and compliment me the most on

You're right that NCT isn't always bad and can even play into a look. But it's an extreme exception - Chalamet and Hacker pull that off and might even look better with the slight NCT than with neutral or slight PCT.

In general NCT detracts from someone's look - be it a man or woman. We're still learning more and this goes to show that "PSL or outdated looks theory" isn't a blackbox system. There's so much nuance involved and exceptions definitely exist.

 

[MakinItHappenReturn]

Never understood why NCT is seen as a net negative here. As far as I understand facial traits and whether they qualify as qualities or defects, most things that get taken as 'defects' here just get taken as defects because they are likelier to not play into the face's harmony or proportions than the alternative (i.e positive tilt in this case), not because they are actual, universal defects.

NCT can have a lot of appeal, especially if just slight and not overblown. It plays into a 'softer', 'puppy eyed' look that, combined with some other, more dimorphic traits, can help play into the pretty boy or maesthetic niches. It's the kinda shit that, when placed on the right face, will be described as 'dreamy' as opposed to 'intimidating', and that makes for its own kind of niche.

Source: have slight NCT with good eye area and eye area is always the part of me girls like the most and compliment me the most on

NCT works well with low-trust faces but terrible with high trust faces. Granted the low-trust face is good of course.

 

[Deleted member 18840]

Do you think you are better looking than Vinnie Hacker? Lmao

'Barely Chadlite'

LMAO!

No i think you mog both of us tho.

 

[MakinItHappenReturn]

No i think you mog both of us tho.

You are ruining the discussion ngl

 

[Deleted member 18840]

You're right that NCT isn't always bad and can even play into a look. But it's an extreme exception - Chalamet and Hacker pull that off and might even look better with the slight NCT than with neutral or slight PCT.

In general NCT detracts from someone's look - be it a man or woman. We're still learning more and this goes to show that "PSL or outdated looks theory" isn't a blackbox system. There's so much nuance involved and exceptions definitely exist.

It only halo them because they know how to make the max out of it softmaxx wise : they learned to look sad boy, with the vibe, aura, clothing, style and grooming. You need to be smart to see it but better rating autistically feature by feature and calling urself a blackpiller am i right ?

 

[MakinItHappenReturn]

He's 5ft11 to 6ft (listed in his baseball HS team, his driver card and his boxing match against deji)
There is not way he is 5ft7 to 5ft8, his tall proportions just don't go along with that height, unless he's small IRL

Something that can help you is that Vinnie used to browse PSL forums, in a now deleted tweet back in November 2020, he said that he was insecure about his looks and that he used to browse internet forums to improve them, could be Lookism if it was there in 2017 or other forums

Not every advice applies to everyone tho, he was smart enough to know what works for him and do it

Wow. Holy fuckeroni. Do we have that tweet?

 

[Seth Walsh]

I love how you exactly nailed it im tired to argue with aspies who don’t know how the world works. Even for recessedcels, when they are lean enough, the angularity is enough to offpull the flaws on average.

But people want to just sit on a surgical table and have all the work done for them.

Reality is looksmaxxing is a grind, its a war, where every single battle matters.

To this day i don’t know how i look like, because not lean enough. Even for your own identity and self understanding you NEED to be lean.
What else we can learn from tiktokers is that hairstyle is super important and criminally underated while hairpill is overated. I mean yes having hair is necessity but then hairstyle is way more important than the rest.

And eventually skin. Why do you think they wear makeup ? Because those three indicators are the most important. And you need to do everything to have a glowing skin irl.
Why do you think chico looks INSANE only in his modelling pics and videos? Its mainly a hairstyle and makeup to have perfect glowing skin pill. Even him who is epitome of harmony can’t get as harmonious as he was during shooting. Because it matters. And its retarded to get depressed over your looksminned self comparing it to them.

One last thing is lightning and angle. Lightning when you are 10% bodyfat, glowing skin, perfect hairstyle and haircut is cherry on top.

The equivalent of lightning irl when youre at top of your potential is STYLEMAXXING. Its NEVER talked enough here. STYLE and AURA makes or break you and its harder to find a proper one fitting you than finding the right surgery. Why do you think normies since a young age all are stylemaxxed?

Yep. Nailed it!

Having a buzzcut or even short hair is pretty much a failo in 2022. Sure, you have hair. But from what we see, you need to grow your hair out so it can be styled. And styling it and finding a style that suits is not easy. Same goes for fashion, accessories too. Even finding the right ingredients for your skincare. Doing this all while dieting and losing fat is pretty much the basis for looksmaxing nowadays.

Roidcopers absolutely BTFO'd ITT

 

[Deleted member 18840]

Yep. Nailed it!

Having a buzzcut or even short hair is pretty much a failo in 2022. Sure, you have hair. But from what we see, you need to grow your hair out so it can be styled. And styling it and finding a style that suits is not easy. Same goes for fashion, accessories too. Even finding the right ingredients for your skincare. Doing this all while dieting and losing fat is pretty much the basis for looksmaxing nowadays.

Roidcopers absolutely BTFO'd ITT

Open your PM i have something very interesting to show you, if you want to.

 

[Pharmaceutic]

You're right that NCT isn't always bad and can even play into a look. But it's an extreme exception - Chalamet and Hacker pull that off and might even look better with the slight NCT than with neutral or slight PCT.

In general NCT detracts from someone's look - be it a man or woman. We're still learning more and this goes to show that "PSL or outdated looks theory" isn't a blackbox system. There's so much nuance involved and exceptions definitely exist.

Yea, fair enough. that's a reasonable way to see it.

 

[alriodai]

Yep absolutely brutal. We owe it to ourselves to all get to 10% bf just to see what our faces look like. Anything before that is cope. I'm on my way - but it's a long road. I've been trying to cut weight since I joined in Jan 2019. Still not there, but slowly and surely getting their and 90%+ of my looksmaxxing success (other than the gyno surgery which I needed) is down to simply losing FAT. The last place you lose fat is on your FACE.

So if your not looking like Hacker physique wise, your never gonna get that defined jawline he has.


And inb4 people say "muh I need bsso to get more forward growth, my jaw will look like shit if I get too lean". Is Hacker exceptionally genetically blessed? Negative Canthal Tilt, had fucked up teeth a few years ago, looked more bloated.

No, Hacker doesn't even have amazing forward growth he just stuck to rule 0 of looksmaxxing. Get as lean as fucking possible, and your jaw will look better. If you have a normal jaw that isn't recessed, you can look so so much better if you lose all the fat and subcutaneous water in your face.

Vinnie Hacker did it.

People underplay leanmaxxing so much, even to this day. The evidence is right in front of us. No one is getting lean enough. People cope with "muh surgeries" and then don't even know anything about surgeries - it's hilarious.

Let's not underestimate Vinnie Hacker's features in the first place Seth
You're talking like he was some normie getting lean and boom, he has super good features in the first place, he has a good nose that is feminine in the shape and tip and alar base but masculine in term of nose bridge which is perfect
He has big wide lips and a good philtrum and anterior nasal spine

He has super outward gonions, a big lower third and proportionate facial thirds, tall chin too which give illusion of taller face

His eye area is above average, his NCT was never a failo, he doesn't have NCT, he has neutral canthal tilt with negative hooding, he has good supra orbitals, a good browridge, and good dense thick eyebrows that are lengthy

Let's not speak about his super flawless skin with super good collagen, rare wrinkles etc

Wow. Holy fuckeroni. Do we have that tweet?

There was a few threads made about that back in November 2020 on this forum about it, I saw the tweet but I didn't care about Vinnie because I thuogh he was gay as fuck and I was super male gazed

Vinnie had a girlfriend for the first time and some fangirls of his was mad attacking her so he started to say how he was raped at 16 when he "quote on quote" ascended he was insecure about his looks so he never learned how to talk to girls properly and is scared they might judge him etc

I don't know if you could find them but they were probably deleted because he used curses in them

I think he took T tbh,

 

[Retarded Incel]

How ugly is your "girl"?

 

[alriodai]

Yea, fair enough. that's a reasonable way to see it.

The problem with NCT is most people don't know the difference between NCT and negative hooding
Does Tyler Maher have NCT? No he have negative hooding
The same is said for Vinnie Hacker

NCT is literally your orbitals being super tilted negatively, in this case Vinnie' sorbitals clearly aren't, he just have negative hooding

PLUS: You can fix negative hooding, an user here went from negative hooded eyes which give illusion of NCT (like extreme NCT) to noticeably neutral to postively canthal tilt

 

[Seth Walsh]

Open your PM i have something very interesting to show you, if you want to.

Opened them!

 

[MakinItHappenReturn]

Let's not underestimate Vinnie Hacker's features in the first place Seth
You're talking like he was some normie getting lean and boom, he has super good features in the first place, he has a good nose that is feminine in the shape and tip and alar base but masculine in term of nose bridge which is perfect
He has big wide lips and a good philtrum and anterior nasal spine

He has super outward gonions, a big lower third and proportionate facial thirds, tall chin too which give illusion of taller face

His eye area is above average, his NCT was never a failo, he doesn't have NCT, he has neutral canthal tilt with negative hooding, he has good supra orbitals, a good browridge, and good dense thick eyebrows that are lengthy

Let's not speak about his super flawless skin with super good collagen, rare wrinkles etc



There was a few threads made about that back in November 2020 on this forum about it, I saw the tweet but I didn't care about Vinnie because I thuogh he was gay as fuck and I was super male gazed

Vinnie had a girlfriend for the first time and some fangirls of his was mad attacking her so he started to say how he was raped at 16 when he "quote on quote" ascended he was insecure about his looks so he never learned how to talk to girls properly and is scared they might judge him etc

I don't know if you could find them but they were probably deleted because he used curses in them

I think he took T tbh,

I already worked out that Vinnie was a marketing genius when I watched this video of his right here:



Way he says 'Oh Jesus' like my mans cumming from getting his cock sucked... and look how they responded:

 

[Oberyn]

being a low bf and getting bimax/surgeries and shit isn't one way or another. If someone is willing to get bimax I'm sure the person can get low bf easily as well. Bimax isn't a joke. Being a low bf isn't gonna solve anything for a recessed person. Actually, I look worse when I'm at 10% my jaw looks way more inward.

 

[justadude]

its not hard to believe that some girls dont like that look

 

[Seth Walsh]

Wow. Holy fuckeroni. Do we have that tweet?

Not the tweet but prolly referring to it

 

[alriodai]

I already worked out that Vinnie was a marketing genius when I watched this video of his right here:



Way he says 'Oh Jesus' like my mans cumming from getting his cock sucked... and look how they responded:

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Jfl i feel bad for non blackpileld people doing shit like that

But this is just the halo effect again

 

[MakinItHappenReturn]

Jfl i feel bad for non blackpileld people doing shit like that

But this is just the halo effect again

His voice is fucking good though.

 

[alriodai]

You don't need to explain the obvious to me. What you are saying is elementary.

My point is he has bone-mass, yet she says he looks like a boy. How can you have such sexual dimorphism in your face and still be seen as a boy? So this more comes down to his style than anything else.

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Also stop capping. Everyone with a brain knows you got filler. It's like saying Salludoon looks like he does now today because of mewing. It's fucking bullshit

I didn't see this but I think him having super clear skin and big lips and "puppy" eyes may be the reason why

The reason why girls like Vinnie is because of his sexual dismorphism with his skull and lower third and body but his good soft features (lips, his eye area" etc), he looks soft yet masculine in the same time

His voice is fucking good though.

Not according to women, when he first talked they was sarcastically mocking it, they though he sounded super high T and deep voice but they weren't at all disappointed

 

[alriodai]

Speaking facts my man!

Getting to 10% without being a roid/over/ogrecel is the best thing you can do for your face and entire appearance. So many people get caught up with things that'll just keep them from making the real improvements. Every day I see some thread like "That's it I'm pinning Test. ordered Test E gonna inject 500mg should I do it guys?". Anyone who's unsure of things or looking for validation and not looking to learn how to actually looksmax properly, is just doing themselves a disservice and wasting their time.

The amount of stuff I trialled over the past years is insane, dnp, clen, t3, 5-amino-1mq, nr, pqq, resveratrol, pqq, bromantane, cistanche, tongkat, lions mane, cordyceps, yohimbine, melanotan2... the list could literally go on forever - hundreds of supps and compounds.

But now I'm coming to the ultimate conclusion that you need to get to 10% so your face will gain angularity and your actual features will show, before you can even think about anything else. That's what looksmaxing is. That's the reality.

Having too much muscle at 10% and looking like a trenbolone freak also ruins the look. People need to do this shit properly if they actually care as much as you and I. There's no shortcuts and it's really really hard to get as lean as the people you see at the top of tiktok or male models.

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No fat allowed! Go to the gym and have a strict/consistent routine so you have some muscle at the end and you don't have an ultra-twink body.

That's it.

FACE FIRST

I agree with you brother but some guys just don't have the features to pull it

Guys here have seen so many attractive faces they wasn't supposed to see that when they see guys like this dude you posted get pussy they get shocked and be like "just be e-boy HTN" meanwihle this guy is literally clearly attractive, clear skin, harmonious face, good nose, ok lips, ok jaw, good eye area, good hair (impossible to get for most of this forum btw)

Most of this forum users have shit features and think they mog theses guys

You need at least average or ok soft features to pull that shit

 

[MakinItHappenReturn]

I didn't see this but I think him having super clear skin and big lips and "puppy" eyes may be the reason why

The reason why girls like Vinnie is because of his sexual dismorphism with his skull and lower third and body but his good soft features (lips, his eye area" etc), he looks soft yet masculine in the same time

Not according to women, when he first talked they was sarcastically mocking it, they though he sounded super high T and deep voice but they weren't at all disappointed

At least I voice-mog him then.

 

[Xangsane]

I did say that her and she continues to give elaborate explanations on why this guy isn't attractive. Baffles me

She is coping.

 

[alriodai]

I see you took the Vinnie Hacker pill tho
It's crazy because the forum was calling him ugly as fuck back in 2020 and 2021
Some guys was saying he had an account here after he made that tweet unironically

Vinnie hacker looks so fucking insane

Holy shit this man's lower third, cheekbones, brow ridge, everything is insane. gigamogger pheno as well. The only minus I can see is slightly weak eyebrows He is so fucking underrated on this forum. Honestly wtf he's a gigachad

looksmax.org

 

[Deleted member 22099]

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Mate at this point I think you're sexually attracted to Vinnie Hacker

 

[Deleted member 18301]

Could be he isn’t her type
(I don’t like tall women with masculine features) yes they are very attractive but they aren’t my personal type
Second she could lie to you but I doubt it since she is 34
Third stop asking your gf to rate other man

 

[EverythingMattersCel]

Speaking facts my man!

Getting to 10% without being a roid/over/ogrecel is the best thing you can do for your face and entire appearance. So many people get caught up with things that'll just keep them from making the real improvements. Every day I see some thread like "That's it I'm pinning Test. ordered Test E gonna inject 500mg should I do it guys?". Anyone who's unsure of things or looking for validation and not looking to learn how to actually looksmax properly, is just doing themselves a disservice and wasting their time.

The amount of stuff I trialled over the past years is insane, dnp, clen, t3, 5-amino-1mq, nr, pqq, resveratrol, pqq, bromantane, cistanche, tongkat, lions mane, cordyceps, yohimbine, melanotan2... the list could literally go on forever - hundreds of supps and compounds.

But now I'm coming to the ultimate conclusion that you need to get to 10% so your face will gain angularity and your actual features will show, before you can even think about anything else. That's what looksmaxing is. That's the reality.

Having too much muscle at 10% and looking like a trenbolone freak also ruins the look. People need to do this shit properly if they actually care as much as you and I. There's no shortcuts and it's really really hard to get as lean as the people you see at the top of tiktok or male models.

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No fat allowed! Go to the gym and have a strict/consistent routine so you have some muscle at the end and you don't have an ultra-twink body.

That's it.

FACE FIRST

You need a baseline of facial averageness for this to work.

My facial averageness is close to 0. Bulbous nose (ogre trait - extreme percentile), short chin (37mm chin - bottom 10 percentile), narrow and round jaw (not dimorphic), I have a very hyperdivergent facial growth pattern, lots of growth on the saggital plane, extremely long mandible and tall ramus. Also an ogre-tier browridge with caveman-tier supraorbital insertion. Fish-tier lips... very disproortionately sized lower lip to upper lip ratio, with very narrow mouth.

I have dimorphism in all of the wrong places for the female gaze. I also look phenotypically ambiguous. I don't fit any niche, ethnic subtype or look close to the average person in any way.

The number of insults and times I have been put down for simply existing. There's a lot wrong with my FACE. The empirical evidence backs everything up too. The first time I tried Tinder, I swiped 100k profiles for a 0.05% match rate... tried it again with better pics and I was still performing below the average man (0.5%). In the pics, I had top 1% physique, it was impossible to induce pathogenic disgust from my skin alone (couldn't see any acne or scars), and th pic set was semi-normal (pic with dog, group pic in club, 1 selfie and 1 physique pic).

tl;dr:
Very hypermasculine eye area with a suboptimal jaw from the frontal view + all of my ratios are off. Even if I lean down to 10% it won't make any difference. A lot of girls find me to be a special kind of ugly. I have never seen others get the treatment I have gotten over the years.

 

[Seth Walsh]

You need a baseline of facial averageness for this to work.

My facial averageness is close to 0. Bulbous nose (ogre trait - extreme percentile), short chin (37mm chin - bottom 10 percentile), narrow and round jaw (not dimorphic), I have a very hyperdivergent facial growth pattern, lots of growth on the saggital plane, extremely long mandible and tall ramus. Also an ogre-tier browridge with caveman-tier supraorbital insertion. Fish-tier lips... very disproortionately sized lower lip to upper lip ratio, with very narrow mouth.

I have dimorphism in all of the wrong places for the female gaze. I also look phenotypically ambiguous. I don't fit any niche, ethnic subtype or look close to the average person in any way.

The number of insults and times I have been put down for simply existing. There's a lot wrong with my FACE. The empirical evidence backs everything up too. The first time I tried Tinder, I swiped 100k profiles for a 0.05% match rate... tried it again with better pics and I was still performing below the average man (0.5%). In the pics, I had top 1% physique, it was impossible to induce pathogenic disgust from my skin alone (couldn't see any acne or scars), and th pic set was semi-normal (pic with dog, group pic in club, 1 selfie and 1 physique pic).

tl;dr:
Very hypermasculine eye area with a suboptimal jaw from the frontal view + all of my ratios are off. Even if I lean down to 10% it won't make any difference. A lot of girls find me to be a special kind of ugly. I have never seen others get the treatment I have gotten over the years.

Since a lot of your ratios are off I don't think it's just koinophilic averageness you lack but maybe you lack harmony and that base. Sorry to hear man. You should still see if you look better when very lean, you can't be 100% sure you won't look any better than you do with fat. But yeah it's gonna be harder to motivate yourself to leanmaxx with the conclusion/perception you have. Only you know though. Do whatever you feel is best for you

 

[EverythingMattersCel]

Since a lot of your ratios are off I don't think it's just koinophilic averageness you lack but maybe you lack harmony and that base. Sorry to hear man. You should still see if you look better when very lean, you can't be 100% sure you won't look any better than you do with fat. But yeah it's gonna be harder to motivate yourself to leanmaxx with the conclusion/perception you have. Only you know though. Do whatever you feel is best for you

Yep also forgot to mention... my undereye is bottom 1 percentile. Getting too lean would compromise my fat pads to the point I would look very old. My tear trough deformity is already very prominent and it's gotten worse over the last couple of years. 0 youth indicators = 0 pussy.

The worst part is there is no viable plan apart from soft-maxxxing. I know what surgeries would improve my facial harmony, but the gains would be slim compared to your average normie. Cost-benefit is not really there atm.

 

[Seth Walsh]

Yep also forgot to mention... my undereye is bottom 1 percentile. Getting too lean would compromise my fat pads to the point I would look very old. My tear trough deformity is already very prominent and it's gotten worse over the last couple of years. 0 youth indicators = 0 pussy.

The worst part is there is no viable plan apart from soft-maxxxing. I know what surgeries would improve my facial harmony, but the gains would be slim compared to your average normie. Cost-benefit is not really there atm.

So many you need some type of surgery so that you can leanmaxx for a better face later down the line. Bad infraorbitals are due to your maxilla not being pushed up and forward enough.

What surgeries do you think will improve your harmony. Tbh I never really think about facial surgeries unless its bimax/mma or a rhino. I think doing surgeries in an attempt to "create/fix" harmony can lead to a lot of complications, ie; looking botched, overdone, uncanny etc. Because with surgeries you need to know exactly what to do and the procedures should be kept to a minimum imo.

 

[Deleted member 19157]

its because he does thirsttraps but hes really good at making them seem tasteful and less cringe unlike guys like nils who are better looking but are cringelords

he has insane aura + great body halo and charisma indeed

 

[ItsOVERBuddyBoyos]

@Seth Walsh LOOOOOL wtf? How? It goes against all the science of beauty logic

Think it's more his style than anything?

She told you he doesn't seem manly to her.
She's a grown woman not a teen and she prefers more masc guys over prettyboys.
She even mentioned how she didn't his lips because they were too big and feminine

People have types. Looks are not 100% objective.

JFL at the science of beauty logic

What a weird discussion to have with your gf

I concur

Girls have types. How weird is that convo fr. Your gf has no reason to lie to you.

This

 

[deepweb1298]

caging hard

 

[Prince88]

The problem with NCT is most people don't know the difference between NCT and negative hooding
Does Tyler Maher have NCT? No he have negative hooding
The same is said for Vinnie Hacker

NCT is literally your orbitals being super tilted negatively, in this case Vinnie' sorbitals clearly aren't, he just have negative hooding

PLUS: You can fix negative hooding, an user here went from negative hooded eyes which give illusion of NCT (like extreme NCT) to noticeably neutral to postively canthal tilt

Which user and how did he do it?

 

[alriodai]

Which user and how did he do it?

My autistic journey to improve my eye area

This is the last time I'll speak about this, I have already talked about this to a lot of greycels and I'm tired of it so just go to this thread for infos. I am also making this thread since some people still deny ice hooding has any truth to it What I have done : ice hooding,eyelid pulling...

looksmax.org

 

[softlysoftly]

Mate at this point I think you're sexually attracted to Vinnie Hacker

he already admitted he likes to take it up the batty I know if vinnie offered him some clout he would gladly spread his cheeks

 

[Blackgymmax]

Ask her to rate him
And u will see

Na i know alot who dont like ballou

 

[Blackgymmax]

Also how low aware can you be ?
@MakinItHappenReturn your girl is 34+, she grew up with different standards.
Looks are RELATIVE. I probably have the biggest understanding off looks here, and how to ascend.

She had different soft power influencing her. During her time men were more masculine looking and behaving.
She is genuinely not attracted.
On top even lookswise hes barely BARELY a chadlite with that eye area.
And, beside hes way too young, women taste change with age too and hormone levels.

Theres more into play. Alot of roastie girls will limit themself to some shitty unideal type thats more realistic to them as a cope. Like the medium ugly shit. You think that girl would have the option to reject a vinnie on tinder? Theyd never yes swipe her in a billion years and she knows it

 

[MakinItHappenReturn]

Theres more into play. Alot of roastie girls will limit themself to some shitty unideal type thats more realistic to them as a cope. Like the medium ugly shit. You think that girl would have the option to reject a vinnie on tinder? Theyd never yes swipe her in a billion years and she knows it

Yeah I agree this happens with HTB-MTB girls but honestly I don't believe this is the case here bro lol. She really doesn't like the thick lips and overly feminised styling. It's more a styling issue.

This is one her celebrity crushes for instance:

So as you can see she gravitates to medium-complexion guys too. Guys with an exotic look.

I know you're a 'standardcel' as they would call it, with this thread you've done, so I understand the bias but it's really not so in this instance

attracting beckys is literally worthless

i see "chadlites" flexing about getting average looking girls when that just proves how low value men are. you think women value getting attention from average looking men? even the actual butt ugly women fall into a deep depression when average looking men who mog then give them the slightest...

looksmax.org

 

[Deleted member 21688]

No appeal, it's over for Vinnie buddy boyos!

 

[germanlooks]

Are you a cuck? why are you asking your girl if she is attracted to another man
He's a dayouth smh @Jiyn @StreegeReturn

My first thought.

OP behind the screen during the conversation while fantasizing about getting cucked by Hacker

 

[germanlooks]

Never understood why NCT is seen as a net negative here. As far as I understand facial traits and whether they qualify as qualities or defects, most things that get taken as 'defects' here just get taken as defects because they are likelier to not play into the face's harmony or proportions than the alternative (i.e positive tilt in this case), not because they are actual, universal defects.

NCT can have a lot of appeal, especially if just slight and not overblown. It plays into a 'softer', 'puppy eyed' look that, combined with some other, more dimorphic traits, can help play into the pretty boy or maesthetic niches. It's the kinda shit that, when placed on the right face, will be described as 'dreamy' as opposed to 'intimidating', and that makes for its own kind of niche.

Source: have slight NCT with good eye area and eye area is always the part of me girls like the most and compliment me the most on

Because NCT is an indicator of unhealthy facial development. The more severe it is the more it makes you look like as if your face is melting off. Besides that it makes you look sleepy or sad.

It’s not the worst failo to have especially if it’s isn’t too brutally negative tilted.

But still the difference between sleepy prey and alert hunter gets clear:

(Obv NCT and PCT isn’t the only difference here, but it’s the most visible)