Looking for serious advice for surgeries

[CLO1]

I'm 32, I make good money, have good savings, have always suffered from a lack of confidence and self image issues and I'm very serious about doing something about this. So please don't comment to end it all or anything that's not helpful, I'd like to get real advice and have a good constructive thread so I can figure this all out.

I completely sick of living like this and feeling like this and am serious about making changes so I can actually feel confident in myself and the way I look.

I know I need to get my nose fixed, that's an obvious one. I know I should also get my hairline fixed. So those 2 are covered in terms of what I know need to be fixed.

I know I will never look like a model but I'd like to be "chad lite" or "high tier normie". Or somewhere around those levels of attractiveness. Is that possible?

I don't want to get jaw surgery after doing research on that so please don't suggest that.

I've PM'd some knowledgable members here and appreciate the advice I've gotten from them, but I figured if more people see it, there will be more specific information to me shared and talked about which could be helpful.

I've been advised to get genio for height purposes but also told not to based on some ratios/measurements, I've been advised malar implants, been advised supra implants also.

Not much has been said about my jaw which I find surprising since I lack real definition there.

I'm looking for advice on what needs augmenting, how much, which vectors the augmentation is needed and the surgeries that could produce those and then any tips on when planning those surgeries to get the optimal results.

Also looking for advice on which surgeries to prioritize. Not sure if I should get malar/jaw surgeries if needed before a rhino since it could change the shape of the nose that makes sense or go for rhino first, wouldn't be sure if I should do malar or jaw first, etc.

Would also GREATLY appreciate any realistic morphing.

These pics are from an ortho visit a couple months ago, not the best, but professional camera, correct angles. Hair and bear not groomed and my right upper eyelid was a little swollen from something but these are probably the best pictures I have for these purposes.

Please please help I'm sick of feeling like this about myself and I'm serious about doing something about it. All advice and suggestions are really appreciated.

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[Deleted member 7725]

Your brown eyes is your biggest failo. I think you're hardcapped where you are now.

 

[Artemis]

Your brown eyes is your biggest failo. I think you're hardcapped where you are now.

Blue eyes are autism.

Whatever reason he is capped, this is NOT his eyes

 

[deepweb1298]

Eye ptosis repair, genio for height, deep necklift with someone like Dr Mike Nayak + rhino

 

[CLO1]

Eye ptosis repair, genio for height, deep necklift with someone like Dr Mike Nayak + rhino

Appreciate the response!

Is eye ptosis repair a fairly "simple" procedure with high chance of good results?

Why do you suggest deep necklift over some sort of jaw augmentation?

 

[Verse]

Your brown eyes is your biggest failo. I think you're hardcapped where you are now.

his biggest failo is the fact he is not chad tbh

 

[khvirgin]

Blue eyes are autism.

Whatever reason he is capped, this is NOT his eyes

it's not just the color

 

[VladimirtheGreat]

I'm 32, I make good money, have good savings, have always suffered from a lack of confidence and self image issues and I'm very serious about doing something about this. So please don't comment to end it all or anything that's not helpful, I'd like to get real advice and have a good constructive thread so I can figure this all out.

I completely sick of living like this and feeling like this and am serious about making changes so I can actually feel confident in myself and the way I look.

I know I need to get my nose fixed, that's an obvious one. I know I should also get my hairline fixed. So those 2 are covered in terms of what I know need to be fixed.

I know I will never look like a model but I'd like to be "chad lite" or "high tier normie". Or somewhere around those levels of attractiveness. Is that possible?

I don't want to get jaw surgery after doing research on that so please don't suggest that.

I've PM'd some knowledgable members here and appreciate the advice I've gotten from them, but I figured if more people see it, there will be more specific information to me shared and talked about which could be helpful.

I've been advised to get genio for height purposes but also told not to based on some ratios/measurements, I've been advised malar implants, been advised supra implants also.

Not much has been said about my jaw which I find surprising since I lack real definition there.

I'm looking for advice on what needs augmenting, how much, which vectors the augmentation is needed and the surgeries that could produce those and then any tips on when planning those surgeries to get the optimal results.

Also looking for advice on which surgeries to prioritize. Not sure if I should get malar/jaw surgeries if needed before a rhino since it could change the shape of the nose that makes sense or go for rhino first, wouldn't be sure if I should do malar or jaw first, etc.

Would also GREATLY appreciate any realistic morphing.

These pics are from an ortho visit a couple months ago, not the best, but professional camera, correct angles. Hair and bear not groomed and my right upper eyelid was a little swollen from something but these are probably the best pictures I have for these purposes.

Please please help I'm sick of feeling like this about myself and I'm serious about doing something about it. All advice and suggestions are really appreciated.


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Looks bit like short face syndrom...your chin could be more longer

 

[Artemis]

it's not just the color

I was replying to LooksOverAll who suggested his main issue is eye color

 

[CLO1]

his biggest failo is the fact he is not chad tbh

Can you at least share some helpful advice and suggestions?

 

[CLO1]

it's not just the color

There are good looking people with brown eyes. I know I'm not going to look like a model, that's fine.

So since we know my eye color is not what is holding me back from being high tier normie or maybe even chad lite, what is it that's holding me back from that and what can I do to correct those things?

 

[Verse]

Can you at least share some helpful advice and suggestions?

it is useful my friend, you have the wrong bones to become chad it is simply not possible without facial reconstruction surgery/skul transplant

 

[CLO1]

it is useful my friend, you have the wrong bones to become chad it is simply not possible without facial reconstruction surgery/skul transplant

I understand I'm not going to become chad. Am looking to hopefully improve to high tier normie and maybe maybe chad lite?

Maybe if we look at what about my bone structure prevents me from being chad, we then figure out what features need fixing, and which ones are likely to have a good result and improve my looks. Won't be to chad levels, that I understand.

 

[randomvanish]

@tesseract @Acromegaly_Chad @SixCRY if OP gets BIMAX for a little advancement with CCW, would it be perfectionist or dumb?

 

[khvirgin]

@tesseract @Acromegaly_Chad @SixCRY if OP gets BIMAX for a little advancement with CCW, would it be perfectionist or dumb?

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he already said he won't get jaw surgery
and honestly it wouldn't change anything

 

[randomvanish]

he already said he won't get jaw surgery
and honestly it wouldn't change anything

I'm just asking to understand. It would change a lot but not in PSL term maybe. bimax + implants always works.

 

[CLO1]

he already said he won't get jaw surgery
and honestly it wouldn't change anything

Could you help me figure out what would make a difference?

Again, I know I'm not going to be chad, but there's got to be a way to improve to at least high tier normie no?

 

[CLO1]

I'm just asking to understand. It would change a lot but not in PSL term maybe. bimax + implants always works.

Since I don't want to go with jaw surgery, and it might not change much anyways, what are things I could do to improve?

 

[randomvanish]

Since I don't want to go with jaw surgery, and it might not change much anyways, what are things I could do to improve?

nose first, jaw angle implants and zygomatic implants for angularity. also maybe eyebrow lowering.

 

[khvirgin]

Could you help me figure out what would make a difference?

Again, I know I'm not going to be chad, but there's got to be a way to improve to at least high tier normie no?

you're on the right path with nose and hair

 

[Deleted member 17920]

would he benefit from infraorbital implants?

 

[CLO1]

you're on the right path with nose and hair

anything else worthwhile doing or the likely hood of a good result is not high enough for anything else?

 

[Deleted member 6128]

Short face syndrome?

 

[khvirgin]

anything else worthwhile doing or the likely hood of a good result is not high enough for anything else?

higher chin and check your eyelids, someone mentioned you could have a slightly ptosis, not sure if it's the pic though

 

[Artemis]

@tesseract @Acromegaly_Chad @SixCRY if OP gets BIMAX for a little advancement with CCW, would it be perfectionist or dumb?

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Dumb. He has good forward growth. His SNA/SNB is ~84-88.

 

[deepweb1298]

Appreciate the response!

Is eye ptosis repair a fairly "simple" procedure with high chance of good results?

Why do you suggest deep necklift over some sort of jaw augmentation?

i mean you can do both, but usually you do bone surgeries first, so genio or bimax first then necklift

for ptosis repair, go to an oculoplastic surgeon and not sure tbh but its your eye so i wouldnt cheap out on it

 

[CLO1]

higher chin and check your eyelids, someone mentioned you could have a slightly ptosis, not sure if it's the pic though

Yea saw that. Not sure if he was locking in on the right eyelid that had some weird swelling going on with it that week or that wasn't what made him notice that at all and I might actually have some ptosis.

When you say higher chin, you mean I could use more chin height with a sliding genio?

 

[Mr.Proper]

Nose is what immediately caught my attention, so, I'd suggest rhino first.
Agree with others about chin, more vertical length would help. It's either implant or genio. Chin implant is less invasive, faster recovery, supposedly more predictable result. Genioplasty is your own bone and gives a better submental lift. Both surgeries a way less invasive than bimax with way less risks.
Right eye ptosis is quite noticeable, can get a correction there too. Softmaxing - would suggest making your eyebrows less rounded, darker, and enhance eyelashes as they can mask your ptosis a bit.

 

[randomvanish]

Dumb. He has good forward growth. His SNA/SNB is ~84-88.

no he's definitely ok. but not perfect

 

[CLO1]

Nose is what immediately caught my attention, so, I'd suggest rhino first.
Agree with others about chin, more vertical length would help. It's either implant or genio. Chin implant is less invasive, faster recovery, supposedly more predictable result. Genioplasty is your own bone and gives a better submental lift. Both surgeries a way less invasive than bimax with way less risks.
Right eye ptosis is quite noticeable, can get a correction there too. Softmaxing - would suggest making your eyebrows less rounded, darker, and enhance eyelashes as they can mask your ptosis a bit.

do we know why genio gives a better submental lift? which is something I think i could definitely benefit from.

Is there any way to mimic the submental lift of a genio with chin implant?

 

[Mr.Proper]

do we know why genio gives a better submental lift? which is something I think i could definitely benefit from.

Is there any way to mimic the submental lift of a genio with chin implant?

Not always the case but it's because of technique when muscle cut is made such way that the part of bone is moved with muscles attached to it

Implant can also improve things a bit but mostly because of skin advancement, I guess.

 

[CLO1]

If I need some chin height - how much should I be aiming for?

If I do that, do I need to get some jaw angle implants to go with that?

 

[Deleted member 7725]

Blue eyes are autism.

Whatever reason he is capped, this is NOT his eyes

Thinking that all these obscure calculations matter and not the color itself is the real autism. muh ESL canthal ratios brah!

 

[Artemis]

Thinking that all these obscure calculations matter and not the color itself is the real autism. muh ESL canthal ratios brah!

SHit man... idk tbh...

I at the same time hate and like your statement...

do i just put ... or ... fuck...

But yeah, ESL canthal ratios are all autism TBH... but the eye color is not that important either...

Maybe im biased: i live in a country where everyone has blue eyes. In fact, it is rarer to meet someone with brown eyes here, than with blue eyes. But, blue eyes do not impress me in the slightest...

First, they are not visible except in certain lights. And you need to look people in the eye under different angles to actually see them.
Secondly, it is all about contrast. People with blue eyes are almost always blondes. Bad contrast. Not striking at all.

 

[Germania]

I'm 32, I make good money, have good savings, have always suffered from a lack of confidence and self image issues and I'm very serious about doing something about this. So please don't comment to end it all or anything that's not helpful, I'd like to get real advice and have a good constructive thread so I can figure this all out.

I completely sick of living like this and feeling like this and am serious about making changes so I can actually feel confident in myself and the way I look.

I know I need to get my nose fixed, that's an obvious one. I know I should also get my hairline fixed. So those 2 are covered in terms of what I know need to be fixed.

I know I will never look like a model but I'd like to be "chad lite" or "high tier normie". Or somewhere around those levels of attractiveness. Is that possible?

I don't want to get jaw surgery after doing research on that so please don't suggest that.

I've PM'd some knowledgable members here and appreciate the advice I've gotten from them, but I figured if more people see it, there will be more specific information to me shared and talked about which could be helpful.

I've been advised to get genio for height purposes but also told not to based on some ratios/measurements, I've been advised malar implants, been advised supra implants also.

Not much has been said about my jaw which I find surprising since I lack real definition there.

I'm looking for advice on what needs augmenting, how much, which vectors the augmentation is needed and the surgeries that could produce those and then any tips on when planning those surgeries to get the optimal results.

Also looking for advice on which surgeries to prioritize. Not sure if I should get malar/jaw surgeries if needed before a rhino since it could change the shape of the nose that makes sense or go for rhino first, wouldn't be sure if I should do malar or jaw first, etc.

Would also GREATLY appreciate any realistic morphing.

These pics are from an ortho visit a couple months ago, not the best, but professional camera, correct angles. Hair and bear not groomed and my right upper eyelid was a little swollen from something but these are probably the best pictures I have for these purposes.

Please please help I'm sick of feeling like this about myself and I'm serious about doing something about it. All advice and suggestions are really appreciated.


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I have no idea where you live, but you are definitely more attractive than average. I would even now classify you as a high tiernormie or chadlite. If you srsly want surgery then Rhino, I had one myself. But Rhino usually won't boost a man that massively. What about gym, fashion, social media? Do you have any mental problems besides "confidence"?

 

[Chadpreetmaybe]

OP, first of all ignore all these bottom of the barrel self hating incels. They're clowns here, helps us laugh

Apart from that idk whatever reason you have for not getting djs, but it will definitely help you, you have a great base thankfully, hairline fixing and rhinoplasty will definitely ascend you alot, you should gymmaxx as well. Incels here will tell you not to gymmaxx but they're fools, gymmaxx to 10% bf with good amount of muscles.

Bimax + genio + rhino + hair transplant + jaw angle implants is what I suggest. Also focus on skincare

 

[CLO1]

I have no idea where you live, but you are definitely more attractive than average. I would even now classify you as a high tiernormie or chadlite. If you srsly want surgery then Rhino, I had one myself. But Rhino usually won't boost a man that massively. What about gym, fashion, social media? Do you have any mental problems besides "confidence"?

Appreciate the positive words but I'm definitely no high tier or even close to chadlite unfortunately.

I know rhino won't boost me that much because my nose wasn't previously this fucked up and I still wasn't a high tier normie or chadlite so I know there are other features that are lacking to get me there.

I've always thought a sharper jaw but maybe that will improve with a genio for height.

Coming here made me realize that my midface seems pretty fucked with my puffy looking skin right around the nose and the deep nasolabial folds.

I completely lack any sort of angularity I think but I'm just not as educated on this stuff as some people here to know what to fix and how to fix it so hoping to put together a plan soon before I'm out of what's left of my good years.

Gym is tough for me as I have an elbow condition that can only be fixed with a pretty invasive surgery but I run, cycle, swim and I am trying to rehab my elbow to hopefully be able to lift again. My diets pretty good as well.

Fashion wise I dress very well and have a good fashion sense.

I'm not a big social media person.

Mental problems, no, just lack confidence, self-esteem type shit.

 

[CLO1]

OP, first of all ignore all these bottom of the barrel self hating incels. They're clowns here, helps us laugh

Apart from that idk whatever reason you have for not getting djs, but it will definitely help you, you have a great base thankfully, hairline fixing and rhinoplasty will definitely ascend you alot, you should gymmaxx as well. Incels here will tell you not to gymmaxx but they're fools, gymmaxx to 10% bf with good amount of muscles.

Bimax + genio + rhino + hair transplant + jaw angle implants is what I suggest. Also focus on skincare

Appreciate the response.

I don't want to do bimax after researching it a lot so can I still get good results from the other suggestions you've made without it?

I've been suggested genio for chin height in private PMs and then also had 1 or 2 people say if I do that it'll throw off some ratios. How can I go about figuring out which is true?

For jaw angle implants what type of augmentation would you suggest? Height and width or just one?

I also feel like the fat looking under eye/cheek area with the deep nasolabial folds really fucks me no? Leave that alone?

 

[Germania]

Appreciate the positive words but I'm definitely no high tier or even close to chadlite unfortunately.

I would say that I have a critical but also realistic view on looks. Based on the two pictures you showed, which aren't even good shots, you're well above average. I'll go to the gym right after work and I might see 2-3 men on your level. And it's a very crowded gym during peak time in the center of a big German city. You look german aswell btw, am i right? haha

Do you have some more pics of yourself? And when you take pictures, think about lense distraction. Selfie cam is not 1:1 how you look irl.

 

[Pakicel]

Surgery won't do shit for you. Will prolly even make you look worse. You have too much of a normie face to ascend.

 

[utcrew]

rhino/hairline/ptosis for now

 

[tehVigilante]

Judging from ur xray you dont need any jaw surgery, you actualy have good forward growth, advancing ur jaws with bimax would make you look like a dog, however maybe your chin could be touched a bit but thats about it as far as jaws go.

 

[Kama]

You have a really bad deviated septum, and that’s a medical indication for septoplasty, which can be covered by insurance. After that, leanmax to show facial angles. Your eyebrows are arched feminine way, so try to get them natural. Your chin projection is very good and harmony is good, just need to correct the obvious first.

 

[materialistic]

Get rhino asap.

 

[Artemis]

Get rhino asap.

Well, this is the only thing one can pinpoint immediately. But is it the BEST use of his money really?

He is also forward grown, so does not need any jaw surgery. He has actually good undereye and his eyes are deep set. Jaw and cheekbones seem ok at least, or even above average.

The only other thing i'd add is he could definitely use the paranasal implants here.

Again, idk what is wrong with his look tbh, but despite all being good on paper, his face is SO DAMN PUNCHEABLE. Like you look at OP, and wanna punch him, or at least not approach (if you are a girl)

I probably has to do sth with the lower third ratios.

 

[CLO1]

Eye ptosis repair, genio for height, deep necklift with someone like Dr Mike Nayak + rhino

Looks bit like short face syndrom...your chin could be more longer

higher chin and check your eyelids, someone mentioned you could have a slightly ptosis, not sure if it's the pic though

Nose is what immediately caught my attention, so, I'd suggest rhino first.
Agree with others about chin, more vertical length would help. It's either implant or genio. Chin implant is less invasive, faster recovery, supposedly more predictable result. Genioplasty is your own bone and gives a better submental lift. Both surgeries a way less invasive than bimax with way less risks.
Right eye ptosis is quite noticeable, can get a correction there too. Softmaxing - would suggest making your eyebrows less rounded, darker, and enhance eyelashes as they can mask your ptosis a bit.

OP, first of all ignore all these bottom of the barrel self hating incels. They're clowns here, helps us laugh

Apart from that idk whatever reason you have for not getting djs, but it will definitely help you, you have a great base thankfully, hairline fixing and rhinoplasty will definitely ascend you alot, you should gymmaxx as well. Incels here will tell you not to gymmaxx but they're fools, gymmaxx to 10% bf with good amount of muscles.

Bimax + genio + rhino + hair transplant + jaw angle implants is what I suggest. Also focus on skincare

Judging from ur xray you dont need any jaw surgery, you actualy have good forward growth, advancing ur jaws with bimax would make you look like a dog, however maybe your chin could be touched a bit but thats about it as far as jaws go.

You have all suggested increasing my chin height.

So how much height would be right?

Does it need any width?

 

[CLO1]

nose first, jaw angle implants and zygomatic implants for angularity. also maybe eyebrow lowering.

what vectors do I need to augment with jaw angle implants and the zygomatic implants?

Height? Width? How much you think?

 

[CLO1]

Nose is what immediately caught my attention, so, I'd suggest rhino first.
Agree with others about chin, more vertical length would help. It's either implant or genio. Chin implant is less invasive, faster recovery, supposedly more predictable result. Genioplasty is your own bone and gives a better submental lift. Both surgeries a way less invasive than bimax with way less risks.
Right eye ptosis is quite noticeable, can get a correction there too. Softmaxing - would suggest making your eyebrows less rounded, darker, and enhance eyelashes as they can mask your ptosis a bit.

These are pretty much the shape of my eyebrows. Would the only way to fix them be some type of hair transplant?

 

[Deleted member 20368]

What's your height bro this is the most important thing and you haven't listed it...

If you're a manlet then ll..

 

[CLO1]

Well, this is the only thing one can pinpoint immediately. But is it the BEST use of his money really?

He is also forward grown, so does not need any jaw surgery. He has actually good undereye and his eyes are deep set. Jaw and cheekbones seem ok at least, or even above average.

The only other thing i'd add is he could definitely use the paranasal implants here.

Again, idk what is wrong with his look tbh, but despite all being good on paper, his face is SO DAMN PUNCHEABLE. Like you look at OP, and wanna punch him, or at least not approach (if you are a girl)

I probably has to do sth with the lower third ratios.

wtf?? so I have forward growth (at least enough), I have decent under eye support, deep set eyes. Decent jaw and cheekbokes but I'm still just average?

What is it that is holding me back then?

While frustrating, it makes me think a little tweak here or there could get very good results.

I honestly feel like my cheeks and jaw kind of suck? Surprised you say they're fine but I also don't know nearly as much.