Looking for serious advice for surgeries

[CLO1]

What's your height bro this is the most important thing and you haven't listed it...

If you're a manlet then ll..

5'11". Not amazing but not manlet.

Don't think it's height that's holding me back too much.

I know I'm not going to be a model or chad, that's fine.

Shooting for high tier normie, chad lite.

 

[Deleted member 20368]

5'11". Not amazing but not manlet.

Don't think it's height that's holding me back too much.

I know I'm not going to be a model or chad, that's fine.

Shooting for high tier normie, chad lite.

5'11 is good bro I would say just get a nose job and chin lipo and genioplasty...

 

[Artemis]

wtf?? so I have forward growth (at least enough), I have decent under eye support, deep set eyes. Decent jaw and cheekbokes but I'm still just average?

What is it that is holding me back then?

Idk. And im too lazy to figure. Ask someone to rate you.

While frustrating, it makes me think a little tweak here or there could get very good results.

yes. UNLESS it is sth wrong with your ratios. Then it is death-tier. Hard cap.

I honestly feel like my cheeks and jaw kind of suck? Surprised you say they're fine but I also don't know nearly as much.

You just did shitty photos, and you have a terrible oldcel hair/beard-style. You should really softmax first: maybe shave completely, change a haircut. In YOUR case, that is not a joke: might actually help.

Anyways. do NOT compare YOURSELF to frauds you see here on this website. More than 75% people here literally know how to make proper angles and lights for their shots. Believe or not, a GOOD pose, and GOOD lights can take you from 5/10 to 8/10. It is ALL NOT REAL.

And YOU made your photos without frauding, like for plastic surgery. You actually mog a lot of people on this website.

And you stare into camera, under bad lights, like autist, and expect to have a model look? Here how models look when they make photos like you:

YOU MOG the above abomination ^

PS. Also, you jaw seems ok, but idk, sth is off with your lower third. Like it is too small maybe?

 

[ChristianChad]

You have a really bad deviated septum, and that’s a medical indication for septoplasty, which can be covered by insurance. After that, leanmax to show facial angles. Your eyebrows are arched feminine way, so try to get them natural. Your chin projection is very good and harmony is good, just need to correct the obvious first.

Good reply.

How could he go about fixing his eyebrow shape?

 

[epictroll]

DJS will not help him you retards. Show me a single DJS candidate that looks like the OP? From his side profile it's obvious he has good occlusion and a well grown face.

Just saying "meh recessed muh maxilla" is retarded as fuck. If OP got any forward movement on anything he would become samelmaxxed, it would not look aesthetic at all.

 

[VladimirtheGreat]

You have all suggested increasing my chin height.

So how much height would be right?

Does it need any width?

Philtrum to chin ratio should be 1:2.5...do you have any pic without beard by the way?

 

[Kama]

Good reply.

How could he go about fixing his eyebrow shape?

By not waxing or plucking hair from below or bottom of the brows, only use elbow scissor to trim them from above. Common mistake when you pay someone to do them, mainstream has no clue about maesthenic beauty standards, they equate neotony as ideal, but that’s the opposite for men.

 

[CLO1]

Philtrum to chin ratio should be 1:2.5...do you have any pic without beard by the way?

hmm so what am I at? not sure how to measure sorry.

Not anything recent. I've had a beard since 2019

 

[VladimirtheGreat]

hmm so what am I at? not sure how to measure sorry.

Not anything recent. I've had a beard since 2019

From side view it doesnt look its even 1:2...now you have beard which gives you couple of mm of chin height..thats why i asked pic without beard

 

[CLO1]

From side view it doesnt look its even 1:2...now you have beard which gives you couple of mm of chin height..thats why i asked pic without beard

oo gotcha. Idk if my beard even adds even a mm, it might look thick/long because of how dark it is but it's not very long at all.

would I benefit from any added width or a little more chin height is all that's needed for my lower third in terms of ratios?

 

[VladimirtheGreat]

oo gotcha. Idk if my beard even adds even a mm, it might look thick/long because of how dark it is but it's not very long at all.

would I benefit from any added width or a little more chin height is all that's needed for my lower third in terms of ratios?

Your chin width looks ok,but again you have beard,so i would need pic without beard to tell you...I am sure you heard about maxillofacial surgeorn Alvaro from Spain...he is really good in fixing short faces,here is an exemple

 

[CLO1]

Your chin width looks ok,but again you have beard,so i would need pic without beard to tell you...I am sure you heard about maxillofacial surgeorn Alvaro from Spain...he is really good in fixing short faces,here is an exemple

doesn't that involve jaw surgery?

and is my face really that short or is it just my chin height that's fucking me?

Willing to do genio and jaw angle implants if those are needed as well.

Would also do some sort of midface and/or cheek augmentation if needed as well but not going to do jaw surgery.

also the responses and advice is much appreciated man

 

[VladimirtheGreat]

doesn't that involve jaw surgery?

and is my face really that short or is it just my chin height that's fucking me?

Willing to do genio and jaw angle implants if those are needed as well.

Would also do some sort of midface and/or cheek augmentation if needed as well but not going to do jaw surgery.

also the responses and advice is much appreciated man

Your midface could benefit some foward growth,your nose looks bit sunken in which gives you bit nasal folds...if you dont want to do jaw surgery than implants are things to do....your gonial angle seem to be bit higher,again i cant be sure without picture with no beard

 

[SixCRY]

@tesseract @Acromegaly_Chad @SixCRY if OP gets BIMAX for a little advancement with CCW, would it be perfectionist or dumb?

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Bimax advancement will be a very BAD idea for OP. He already have slight bimax protrusion.

He lack lower third height, a bimax with CW if he lack upper teeth showing will be a better idea

To improve his look he need rhino and haur transplant thats it. OP is not ugly

 

[Oberyn]

DJS will not help him you retards. Show me a single DJS candidate that looks like the OP? From his side profile it's obvious he has good occlusion and a well grown face.

Just saying "meh recessed muh maxilla" is retarded as fuck. If OP got any forward movement on anything he would become samelmaxxed, it would not look aesthetic at all.

Occlusion doesn’t mean shit. Idk if he needs bimax. But he has kind of short face and asymmetry.
He needs rhino and infraorbital also he has scleral show

 

[randomvanish]

Bimax advancement will be a very BAD idea for OP. He already have slight bimax protrusion.

He lack lower third height, a bimax with CW if he lack upper teeth showing will be a better idea

To improve his look he need rhino and haur transplant thats it. OP is not ugly

but for the ideal forward growth, isn't he need something more? rhino + hair transplant will make him htn.

let's say that, hypothetically, he gets bimax for minimal advancement. why is it bad for him?

 

[CLO1]

Occlusion doesn’t mean shit. Idk if he needs bimax. But he has kind of short face and asymmetry.
He needs rhino and infraorbital also he has scleral show

what kind of changes would I be aiming to get with infra implants? will they help with the scleral show?

 

[CLO1]

Bimax advancement will be a very BAD idea for OP. He already have slight bimax protrusion.

He lack lower third height, a bimax with CW if he lack upper teeth showing will be a better idea

To improve his look he need rhino and haur transplant thats it. OP is not ugly

would a genio to add some height give me a big improvement?

 

[SixCRY]

would a genio to add some height give me a big improvement?

idk, i dont think it will improve u alot.
Bit rhino + HT certainly will

 

[Sir Galachad]

I'm 32, I make good money, have good savings, have always suffered from a lack of confidence and self image issues and I'm very serious about doing something about this. So please don't comment to end it all or anything that's not helpful, I'd like to get real advice and have a good constructive thread so I can figure this all out.

I completely sick of living like this and feeling like this and am serious about making changes so I can actually feel confident in myself and the way I look.

I know I need to get my nose fixed, that's an obvious one. I know I should also get my hairline fixed. So those 2 are covered in terms of what I know need to be fixed.

I know I will never look like a model but I'd like to be "chad lite" or "high tier normie". Or somewhere around those levels of attractiveness. Is that possible?

I don't want to get jaw surgery after doing research on that so please don't suggest that.

I've PM'd some knowledgable members here and appreciate the advice I've gotten from them, but I figured if more people see it, there will be more specific information to me shared and talked about which could be helpful.

I've been advised to get genio for height purposes but also told not to based on some ratios/measurements, I've been advised malar implants, been advised supra implants also.

Not much has been said about my jaw which I find surprising since I lack real definition there.

I'm looking for advice on what needs augmenting, how much, which vectors the augmentation is needed and the surgeries that could produce those and then any tips on when planning those surgeries to get the optimal results.

Also looking for advice on which surgeries to prioritize. Not sure if I should get malar/jaw surgeries if needed before a rhino since it could change the shape of the nose that makes sense or go for rhino first, wouldn't be sure if I should do malar or jaw first, etc.

Would also GREATLY appreciate any realistic morphing.

These pics are from an ortho visit a couple months ago, not the best, but professional camera, correct angles. Hair and bear not groomed and my right upper eyelid was a little swollen from something but these are probably the best pictures I have for these purposes.

Please please help I'm sick of feeling like this about myself and I'm serious about doing something about it. All advice and suggestions are really appreciated.


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What you clearly lack is Ramus projection (you can't see it), same goes for your cheekbones. Second issue is lips. Your lower lip stands out more than the upper. Your bite looks fine, so suggesting jaw surgery would really be too much. Hair also doesn't look too bad.

I would definetly reccomend Hyaluronic Acid fillers, especially since you can afford the reoccuring expense of touch ups. Pick a really good doc who has expereince with creating masculine faces and you're good to go. And probably make him inject a TINY bit in your upper lip too.

 

[CLO1]

What you clearly lack is Ramus projection (you can't see it), same goes for your cheekbones. Second issue is lips. Your lower lip stands out more than the upper. Your bite looks fine, so suggesting jaw surgery would really be too much. Hair also doesn't look too bad.

I would definetly reccomend Hyaluronic Acid fillers, especially since you can afford the reoccuring expense of touch ups. Pick a really good doc who has expereince with creating masculine faces and you're good to go. And probably make him inject a TINY bit in your upper lip too.

Yea bite is fine. Most comments here have said I have enough/decent forward growth.

So you think I'd benefit most from jaw and some sort of midface/cheek implant?

What type of changes would I want to achieve? (Asking about the specifics of the augmentations I need to make)

Any recommendations on surgeons that have produced great results when it comes to masculine faces?

I'm located in US.

 

[Sir Galachad]

Yea bite is fine. Most comments here have said I have enough/decent forward growth.

So you think I'd benefit most from jaw and some sort of midface/cheek implant?

What type of changes would I want to achieve? (Asking about the specifics of the augmentations I need to make)

Any recommendations on surgeons that have produced great results when it comes to masculine faces?

I'm located in US.

Yes, forward growth is fine, which is why you don't have to enhance your chin projection.

Yes, that are the areas though i am not a big fan of implants and again advice you to skip them.

I'm from Europe so can't help you with surgeons. Though there's a great Brasilian doc who does fillers, name is Igor Alves. Check out results on his instagram acccount.

 

[Incel Afterlife]

Kybella Injections (you won't need many), Hair transplant, Ultherapy, a better eyebrow beautician (they're making you look stupid currently), a nose job, and something done with your eyes and in this order.

 

[Johanjohan]

Kybella Injections (you won't need many), Hair transplant, Ultherapy, a better eyebrow beautician (they're making you look stupid currently), a nose job, and something done with your eyes and in this order.

Kybella injectioms where? Into which areas?

 

[Diremeyer]

I'm 32, I make good money, have good savings, have always suffered from a lack of confidence and self image issues and I'm very serious about doing something about this. So please don't comment to end it all or anything that's not helpful, I'd like to get real advice and have a good constructive thread so I can figure this all out.

I completely sick of living like this and feeling like this and am serious about making changes so I can actually feel confident in myself and the way I look.

I know I need to get my nose fixed, that's an obvious one. I know I should also get my hairline fixed. So those 2 are covered in terms of what I know need to be fixed.

I know I will never look like a model but I'd like to be "chad lite" or "high tier normie". Or somewhere around those levels of attractiveness. Is that possible?

I don't want to get jaw surgery after doing research on that so please don't suggest that.

I've PM'd some knowledgable members here and appreciate the advice I've gotten from them, but I figured if more people see it, there will be more specific information to me shared and talked about which could be helpful.

I've been advised to get genio for height purposes but also told not to based on some ratios/measurements, I've been advised malar implants, been advised supra implants also.

Not much has been said about my jaw which I find surprising since I lack real definition there.

I'm looking for advice on what needs augmenting, how much, which vectors the augmentation is needed and the surgeries that could produce those and then any tips on when planning those surgeries to get the optimal results.

Also looking for advice on which surgeries to prioritize. Not sure if I should get malar/jaw surgeries if needed before a rhino since it could change the shape of the nose that makes sense or go for rhino first, wouldn't be sure if I should do malar or jaw first, etc.

Would also GREATLY appreciate any realistic morphing.

These pics are from an ortho visit a couple months ago, not the best, but professional camera, correct angles. Hair and bear not groomed and my right upper eyelid was a little swollen from something but these are probably the best pictures I have for these purposes.

Please please help I'm sick of feeling like this about myself and I'm serious about doing something about it. All advice and suggestions are really appreciated.


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Get a more fashionable hairstyle, and teach yourself to style your hair proper. You'd benefit massively from that. Likewise if you'd fashionmax that would serve you well. And if you're less than 6'2 slip some half inch insoles into your shoes. Half inch or less.

You look fairly good btw.

 

[Incel Afterlife]

Kybella injectioms where? Into which areas?

Chin and submental/jaw areas

 

[poopoohead]

lmfao this was on

 

[MadTwatter]

I'm 32, I make good money, have good savings, have always suffered from a lack of confidence and self image issues and I'm very serious about doing something about this. So please don't comment to end it all or anything that's not helpful, I'd like to get real advice and have a good constructive thread so I can figure this all out.

I completely sick of living like this and feeling like this and am serious about making changes so I can actually feel confident in myself and the way I look.

I know I need to get my nose fixed, that's an obvious one. I know I should also get my hairline fixed. So those 2 are covered in terms of what I know need to be fixed.

I know I will never look like a model but I'd like to be "chad lite" or "high tier normie". Or somewhere around those levels of attractiveness. Is that possible?

I don't want to get jaw surgery after doing research on that so please don't suggest that.

I've PM'd some knowledgable members here and appreciate the advice I've gotten from them, but I figured if more people see it, there will be more specific information to me shared and talked about which could be helpful.

I've been advised to get genio for height purposes but also told not to based on some ratios/measurements, I've been advised malar implants, been advised supra implants also.

Not much has been said about my jaw which I find surprising since I lack real definition there.

I'm looking for advice on what needs augmenting, how much, which vectors the augmentation is needed and the surgeries that could produce those and then any tips on when planning those surgeries to get the optimal results.

Also looking for advice on which surgeries to prioritize. Not sure if I should get malar/jaw surgeries if needed before a rhino since it could change the shape of the nose that makes sense or go for rhino first, wouldn't be sure if I should do malar or jaw first, etc.

Would also GREATLY appreciate any realistic morphing.

These pics are from an ortho visit a couple months ago, not the best, but professional camera, correct angles. Hair and bear not groomed and my right upper eyelid was a little swollen from something but these are probably the best pictures I have for these purposes.

Please please help I'm sick of feeling like this about myself and I'm serious about doing something about it. All advice and suggestions are really appreciated.


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You need a minor surgery to fix the asymmetry in your eyes.
Have you considered an orbital box osteotomy?
I know a guy who will work with all budgets.

 

[CLO1]

You need a minor surgery to fix the asymmetry in your eyes.
Have you considered an orbital box osteotomy?
I know a guy who will work with all budgets.

Pretty sure an orbital box osteotomy is anything but a minor surgery.

What change do you think needs to be made?

Can it be achieved with implants?

 

[KillMe]

lol I came here and looked this thread up just to see what the jbwmaxxer that chimp was ooging out over looked like

 

[Broski]

Man's famous now

 

[Bobelbrah]

Idk. And im too lazy to figure. Ask someone to rate you.

yes. UNLESS it is sth wrong with your ratios. Then it is death-tier. Hard cap.

You just did shitty photos, and you have a terrible oldcel hair/beard-style. You should really softmax first: maybe shave completely, change a haircut. In YOUR case, that is not a joke: might actually help.

Anyways. do NOT compare YOURSELF to frauds you see here on this website. More than 75% people here literally know how to make proper angles and lights for their shots. Believe or not, a GOOD pose, and GOOD lights can take you from 5/10 to 8/10. It is ALL NOT REAL.

And YOU made your photos without frauding, like for plastic surgery. You actually mog a lot of people on this website.

And you stare into camera, under bad lights, like autist, and expect to have a model look? Here how models look when they make photos like you:

YOU MOG the above abomination ^

PS. Also, you jaw seems ok, but idk, sth is off with your lower third. Like it is too small maybe?

Is that Robert Pattison?

 

[Artemis]

Is that Robert Pattison?

Yes, Welcome to the real world, outside of Insta, angle/lights, and makeup frauding

 

[CursedOne]

The thing is U arent even ugly, U are Just average looking. U Lack mogger Features such as chin, jaw, cheekbone, browridge

 

[Bobelbrah]

Yes, Welcome to the real world, outside of Insta, angle/lights, and makeup frauding

Jfl, looks like he could be posting here! Actually lifefuel, ngl, so thanks for sharing

 

[Bobelbrah]

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[Celery]

Hey man. Looks like there’s a lot of trolls on this thread so try to ignore them. Lots of very young people on the site.

Now as for augmentation; I do agree that genio or an implant would help you. Better yet, you have a narrowing lower third, meaning that your jaw is doesn't have outward projecting gonions and therefore, it makes you look less masculine. You should look into a wraparound jaw implant and Malar implants to augment your cheekbones. There's a member here @Win200 that I personally think had a massive improvement from these same implants. Checkout his thread here https://looksmax.org/threads/new-im...cheek-and-jaw-implant-from-dr-e.236061/page-5

Shoot me a PM, I'd love to chat and discuss. I plan to get similar implants soon and would be cool to shoot the shit with a guy who seems down to earth. Cheers

I'm 32, I make good money, have good savings, have always suffered from a lack of confidence and self image issues and I'm very serious about doing something about this. So please don't comment to end it all or anything that's not helpful, I'd like to get real advice and have a good constructive thread so I can figure this all out.

I completely sick of living like this and feeling like this and am serious about making changes so I can actually feel confident in myself and the way I look.

I know I need to get my nose fixed, that's an obvious one. I know I should also get my hairline fixed. So those 2 are covered in terms of what I know need to be fixed.

I know I will never look like a model but I'd like to be "chad lite" or "high tier normie". Or somewhere around those levels of attractiveness. Is that possible?

I don't want to get jaw surgery after doing research on that so please don't suggest that.

I've PM'd some knowledgable members here and appreciate the advice I've gotten from them, but I figured if more people see it, there will be more specific information to me shared and talked about which could be helpful.

I've been advised to get genio for height purposes but also told not to based on some ratios/measurements, I've been advised malar implants, been advised supra implants also.

Not much has been said about my jaw which I find surprising since I lack real definition there.

I'm looking for advice on what needs augmenting, how much, which vectors the augmentation is needed and the surgeries that could produce those and then any tips on when planning those surgeries to get the optimal results.

Also looking for advice on which surgeries to prioritize. Not sure if I should get malar/jaw surgeries if needed before a rhino since it could change the shape of the nose that makes sense or go for rhino first, wouldn't be sure if I should do malar or jaw first, etc.

Would also GREATLY appreciate any realistic morphing.

These pics are from an ortho visit a couple months ago, not the best, but professional camera, correct angles. Hair and bear not groomed and my right upper eyelid was a little swollen from something but these are probably the best pictures I have for these purposes.

Please please help I'm sick of feeling like this about myself and I'm serious about doing something about it. All advice and suggestions are really appreciated.


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[Foreverbrad]

Beards cap you at low HTN honestly

 

[CLO1]

The thing is U arent even ugly, U are Just average looking. U Lack mogger Features such as chin, jaw, cheekbone, browridge

yea I mean that's the thing, I'm maybe average looking. I'd like to max out my looks within reason.

Looking for advice on what I need to improve my looks and what surgeries will help me achieve that

 

[CLO1]

Beards cap you at low HTN honestly

Think I'm better looking with the beard although it looks much better when it's groomed and shorter.

You seem to be pretty involved on here, what things do you think I need to do to improve my looks and in what order/how should I prioritize?

 

[Foreverbrad]

Think I'm better looking with the beard although it looks much better when it's groomed and shorter.

You seem to be pretty involved on here, what things do you think I need to do to improve my looks and in what order/how should I prioritize?

If you’re better looking with a beard it usually just means you lack mass in your entire jaw so that points towards genio / angle implants or even a wraparound. Very few people don’t benefit from a stronger jaw.

You have “prey eyes” but there’s still no sure solution for that problem.

The eyebrow shape suggestions are important.

Personally I think light eyes would help but again, no solution - yet.

Hair transplant if you want but as long as you keep a beard you’re never really going to look youthful.



Also, inject BPC-157 and TB-500 for your injury to heal it quicker - I think gymmaxxing will help you far more than these surgeries.

 

[CLO1]

If you’re better looking with a beard it usually just means you lack mass in your entire jaw so that points towards genio / angle implants or even a wraparound. Very few people don’t benefit from a stronger jaw.

You have “prey eyes” but there’s still no sure solution for that problem.

The eyebrow shape suggestions are important.

Personally I think light eyes would help but again, no solution - yet.

Hair transplant if you want but as long as you keep a beard you’re never really going to look youthful.



Also, inject BPC-157 and TB-500 for your injury to heal it quicker - I think gymmaxxing will help you far more than these surgeries.

What defines "prey eyes"?

Are there any "safe" or what would be considered very effective surgeries that could help improve that but might not totally fix it?

 

[Account717]

Your brown eyes is your biggest failo. I think you're hardcapped where you are now.

This is so cringe
Its the eye asymmetry and shape

 

[Account717]

What defines "prey eyes"?

Are there any "safe" or what would be considered very effective surgeries that could help improve that but might not totally fix it?

Prey means rounder eye shape , or where the angle of your eyes is tilted outward instead of inward, which you have a bit.
You could also say dark eye color is a trait of prey eyes , but i would defintiely not worry about eye color if i were you

 

[Account717]

Your nose is crooked as well, definitely look into fixing that. Shouldnt be too hard
Not sure if its the angle but the right side of your picture looks better htan the left (the left side of your face)

 

[Deleted member 22639]

Just saw this thread, I played around with eye colors on Facetune and green looks pretty good with your complexion imo
Get that app and test different colors and shades
Surgeries can be great but you have to take care of these important softmaxxes first
For colored contacts people use colorcl, tddeye, and Solotica for higher end ones (only once you’ve found a favorite color using a cheaper brand first)
You are def above average btw, good luck

 

[Deleted member 22639]

Also try to talk to @Amnesia about chin fillers for a bigger chin and square shape

 

[Saggitarian]

Surgery for looks? Fake fix. Do it and you will be forever known as a Trans-Chad.

 

[Foreverbrad]

Surgery for looks? Fake fix. Do it and you will be forever known as a Trans-Chad.

What are you even doing on this forum then?

 

[Saggitarian]

What are you even doing on this forum then?

Advocating for surgery is a requirement to be on this forum or some shit?