Looksmaxxing Plan 16-18/19 (HIGH IQ GTFIH AND HELP)

[HardcoreLooksmaxxer]

Yo, hope ya'll are doing well. This is a reupload on this thread because I think I had it in the wrong thread. I need extreme criticism and help with my looksmaxxing plan and extremely high IQ guys cuz I'm tryna do an extreme transformation. Rn I'm 5,7 1/2-5,8 tall and hmtn-mhtn. My main issues are a mild lack maxillary of forward growth and chin projection. My eye area and everything else SEEMS to be fine. Nonetheless, let me get into this plan:
Firstly, 10IU HGH (I can afford it and dgaf abt bloat)split into 5 IU morning and 5 IU night.
40-60mcg teriparatide a day for max 2-3 years (to extremely increase bone turnover so I can grow even faster)
200mg MENT (Enanthate)/week (to cause extreme androgen influenced response to IGF-1 muscle and height wise)
15mg/day YK-11 (for extreme gains while on the androgens cuz myostatin is a bitch)
300-500mg(still deciding) of DHB/week
Aromasin (dosed 25mg a day to absolutely annihilate any aromatose that'll allow conversion of the trestolone enanthate to the methyl estrogen form)
Cialis (5mg a day for vasodilation and penis gains with the androgens)
Estrogen cypionate (microdosed to mimic 10-15pg/mL in blood so I don't die)
C60 (to prevent oxidative aging (yes IK gains will suffer but androgens are so extreme that that's ok)
POSSIBLY Clen + Ketotifen to prevent downregulation (2 weeks on and off) (reason is because I want to be an explosive powerlifting beast and Clenbuterol is a B2-agonist which causes extreme favoritism to type IIx glycolytic explosive fibers)
hCG + hMG for big balls and so I can recover after through SERMs and Kisspeptin
Telmisartan to mitigate vasoconstriction from clen and stay healthy
Epithalon (for longevity i don't really gaf if it doesn't help a lot)
BPC-157 and TB-500 for tendons cuz they got fucked from accutane (Ima take this before the androgens and probably take only heightmaxxing stuff I listed until I get enough money to do the androgen related stuff which will take roughly a month)
RU58841 so I don't go bald
TUDCA, NAC, Milk thistle, Liv-52, Vitamin E for liver support
POSSIBLY pentoxifylline to mitigate blood vessel damage even further.
If I can access it, roxadustat or a similar HIF stabilizer for extreme angiogenesis.
4-5K calories a day, 250-300g protein (pills for nutrition and cheap ass Costco rotisserie chickens, Greek yogurts, eggs, etc)
3-4L of water with 5-6g of elemental potassium, 1-2g of sodium (cause those Costco chickens definitely have a lot of sodium), 20g sugar, L-citrulline malate and beet root pills for Nitric Oxide (combine with the Cialis for vasodilation)) +12g collagen (all of this for skin and kidney support)
Training (heavy powerlifting and no pussy ass long hypertrophy sessions so I don't become a type I slow cortisol spiking pussy)
Don't forget Ashwaghanda (high dose), Lithium Orotate, Rhodiola Rosea, etc for emotional numbing cuz emotions suck
If I grow in the first month, I know that my growth plates are open(testing is too expensive)
Occasional bloodwork for E2, IGF-1, liver enzymes, HCR, RBC, etc.
I'm here for criticism and help. Please help a fellow looksmaxxer to ascend

 

[BR32]

Logically speaking stronger androgens give stronger results bro, that's all I'm tryna say. I'm not tryna run test and get full hypothalumus shutdown instead of getting full hypothalumus shutdown while doing real strong shit

You’re mixing up potency with outcomes. Higher AR binding or “stronger” androgens don’t scale linearly with results. Both hypertrophy and androgenic effects saturate pretty fast once AR signaling is sufficiently high.

Past that point you mostly hit diminishing returns while side effects keep scaling (acne, hair loss, BP, CNS strain, lipids, suppression).

 

[luuk]

I considered that and overcame through using DHB and MENT as the "base". Estrogen will be from microdosing estrogen cypionate because MENT converts extremely aggressively to methyl estrogen with aromatase so I just have to fully block it off

Has this combination been tried and documented? I hope you aren't just making it up as you go along here

 

[HardcoreLooksmaxxer]

Has this combination been tried and documented? I hope you aren't just making it up as you go along here

Never tried that's why I'm asking people for help, logically it should work but idk if I'm missing something

 

[NoaA99]

????? No logical explanation or criticism you're just immediately flaming me dude?

Obviously, you have zero relevant knowledge in regards to biology, yet for some odd reason, confidently talk about it.

 

[HardcoreLooksmaxxer]

Obviously, you have zero relevant knowledge in regards to biology, yet for some odd reason, confidently talk about it.

So brother why don't you explain what I'm saying wrong and what's so "retarded" to you?

 

[NoaA99]

What I mean is for example, surgery won't reap also the benefits you'd get from transformation by androgens. For example, from androgens craniofacial change happens all around the face, including the mandible, chin, higher raised cheekbones, and overall better forward growth. Compare this to surgery which only targets say for example maxillary forward growth

Do you actually have any credible evidence for your claims?

 

[luuk]

Never tried that's why I'm asking people for help, logically it should work but idk if I'm missing something

You should not risk your health and looks on surface level logic and good vibes this is advanced pharmacology and you should have a deep knowledge of these substances to be using them like this

When messing with growth pathways and hormones its never this simple please do your research

 

[luuk]

What I mean is for example, surgery won't reap also the benefits you'd get from transformation by androgens. For example, from androgens craniofacial change happens all around the face, including the mandible, chin, higher raised cheekbones, and overall better forward growth. Compare this to surgery which only targets say for example maxillary forward growth

You know you can get multiple surgeries right
Implants are substantially more effective and safer than whatever you're doing

 

[BR32]

Has this combination been tried and documented? I hope you aren't just making it up as you go along here

No testosterone is just stupid dude

Tests only function isn’t to convert to E2 but to to fulfill physiologic function of testosterone.

Also shutting down aromatase isn’t solved by supplementing with E2. You’re losing tissue specific aromatization which doesn’t get replaced with exogenous E2.

 

[luuk]

No testosterone is just stupid dude

Tests only function isn’t to convert to E2 but to to fulfill physiologic function of testosterone.

Also shutting down aromatase isn’t solved by supplementing with E2. You’re losing tissue specific aromatization which doesn’t get replaced with exogenous E2.

Yeah this guy does not know enough about the subject to be running these kinds of cycles

 

[BR32]

You know you can get multiple surgeries right
Implants are substantially more effective and safer than whatever you're doing

I was gonna say.

This is safer and more customizable

If you wanan go crazy just hit up giant implants and get that 20 part bimax+implants

 

[HardcoreLooksmaxxer]

Do you actually have any credible evidence for your claims?

This somewhat supports my point but there are other sources to show for it: https://www.researchgate.net/public...niofacial_growth_in_boys_with_delayed_puberty

You should not risk your health and looks on surface level logic and good vibes this is advanced pharmacology and you should have a deep knowledge of these substances to be using them like this

When messing with growth pathways and hormones its never this simple please do your research

I did as much research as possible, that's why I'm asking for outside opinions on what I'm lacking. All sides I logically combat through this stack

 

[Firstname.Lastname]

Have you tried a Le Fort 3 double jaw surgery yet?

 

[BR32]

Yeah this guy does not know enough about the subject to be running these kinds of cycles

Kids watch 1 MPMD video and decide they are ready to go

 

[HardcoreLooksmaxxer]

No testosterone is just stupid dude

Tests only function isn’t to convert to E2 but to to fulfill physiologic function of testosterone.

Also shutting down aromatase isn’t solved by supplementing with E2. You’re losing tissue specific aromatization which doesn’t get replaced with exogenous E2.

what the fuck would tissue specific aromatization have anything to do of relevance if you're injecting exogenous estrogen cypionate. The organs and "tissue specific" aromatization areas will already get the E2

 

[luuk]

I did as much research as possible, that's why I'm asking for outside opinions on what I'm lacking. All sides I logically combat through this stack

No you did not as you are proposing using DHB as a base with no test and everything about this cycle has been hamfisted together from cursory glances at effect profiles
The human body is incredibly complex. Its not a clean-cut manner of "This drug causes growth and x side effect, so take this other one that prevents x and you're good". Also theres a lot of drug interactions that could be going on here that you haven't even considered

 

[HardcoreLooksmaxxer]

Kids watch 1 MPMD video and decide they are ready to go

I don't even know who that is and I have planned this all myself. You're not giving any logical explanations to what is wrong in it which is what I'm asking and simply just shitting on me

 

[BR32]

I don't even know who that is and I have planned this all myself. You're not giving any logical explanations to what is wrong in it which is what I'm asking and simply just shitting on me

I’ve been explaining the mechanisms clearly

You asked for feedback

 

[HardcoreLooksmaxxer]

No you did not as you are proposing using DHB as a base with no test and everything about this cycle has been hamfisted together from cursory glances at effect profiles
The human body is incredibly complex. Its not a clean-cut manner of "This drug causes growth and x side effect, so take this other one that prevents x and you're good". Also theres a lot of drug interactions that could be going on here that you haven't even considered

MENT literally attaches to every androgen receptor. WHY would you need a test base dude? If I add test suddenly everythings good? DHB counteracts the usual effects of MENT which is why I chose specifically it as the "base", and for the drug interactions, that's what I'm trying to get help for man lol I never said I know everything I'm literally trying to get help on this

 

[luuk]

I don't even know who that is and I have planned this all myself. You're not giving any logical explanations to what is wrong in it which is what I'm asking and simply just shitting on me

People are shitting on you because you've conjured up an unreasonably complex and dangerous cycle without deep enough knowledge of the subject
Its ok to not know things, but you should not be attempting stuff like this if you haven't done extensive and comprehensive research into every detail of it. If you have to ask about it here you shouldn't be injecting it into yourself

 

[BR32]

what the fuck would tissue specific aromatization have anything to do of relevance if you're injecting exogenous estrogen cypionate. The organs and "tissue specific" aromatization areas will already get the E2

“Tissue specific”

Not everything aromatizes same.

Exogenous supplementation even with bioidentical E2 is NOT the same as natural aromatization.

 

[HardcoreLooksmaxxer]

I’ve been explaining the mechanisms clearly

You asked for feedback

I've only seen you mention tissue specific aromatization and test brother. Why would test logically be necessary in this stack? It has no logical use whatsoever (and if it does please tell me).

 

[HardcoreLooksmaxxer]

People are shitting on you because you've conjured up an unreasonably complex and dangerous cycle without deep enough knowledge of the subject
Its ok to not know things, but you should not be attempting stuff like this if you haven't done extensive and comprehensive research into every detail of it. If you have to ask about it here you shouldn't be injecting it into yourself

Dude I did as much research as I can with what I'm given. Brother, do you not understand this? Do you think I can make this up without knowledge on it? How do you think logically speaking I know what sides exist and what occurs without knowledge on it? I need opinions and answers from others who know what they're doing and actually understand it from others who have done shit because knowledge I got from org and from online only goes SO deep

 

[BR32]

I've only seen you mention tissue specific aromatization and test brother. Why would test logically be necessary in this stack? It has no logical use whatsoever (and if it does please tell me).

Because every cycle needs a test base because you NEED to aromatize or you will have health complications.

The aromatization matters too

Endocrine signaling is full of feedback loops you can’t just remove the main sex hormone substrate and Expect everything to work fine.

 

[NoaA99]

So brother why don't you explain what I'm saying wrong and what's so "retarded" to you?

Why would I, or anyone else (with a brain), share valuable information with some random grey, especially at a time when mainstream exposure is at an all-time high?

You research and looksmax for yourself, not for educating others.
The most important aspect of looksmaxing is relativity- you are judged compared to others around you, not in a vacuum.
Unlike some other user, I don’t give a shit about meaningless validation from online-strangers.

 

[luuk]

Dude I did as much research as I can with what I'm given. Brother, do you not understand this? Do you think I can make this up without knowledge on it? How do you think logically speaking I know what sides exist and what occurs without knowledge on it? I need opinions and answers from others who know what they're doing and actually understand it from others who have done shit because knowledge I got from org and from online only goes SO deep

You're right, you CAN'T research a stack like this because nobody has ever done it before beause its ridiculously complex, dangerous and entirely novel
And since you cannot adequately research something like this you shouldn't run it.
If you want to do it, feel free to, its your life
Get a pic of the look on the ER doctor's face when you tell him the shit you're running before your organs fail

 

[HardcoreLooksmaxxer]

“Tissue specific”

Not everything aromatizes same.

Exogenous supplementation even with bioidentical E2 is NOT the same as natural aromatization.

The estrogen cypionate would function to help provide estrogen to those tissues. I've never heard of aromatization being necessary for health other than the reason of E2, could you please elaborate on this?

Because every cycle needs a test base because you NEED to aromatize or you will have health complications.

The aromatization matters too

Endocrine signaling is full of feedback loops you can’t just remove the main sex hormone substrate and Expect everything to work fine.

Why is aromatization necessary? I'm already inhibiting the main hypothalumus and aromatase simply functions to convert test to estrogen. It is not necessary for binding or for health. If I'm wrong, please correct me brother which is why i'm asking for outside opinions

 

[HardcoreLooksmaxxer]

Why would I, or anyone else (with a brain), share valuable information with some random grey, especially at a time when mainstream exposure is at an all-time high?

You research and looksmax for yourself, not for educating others.
The most important aspect of looksmaxing is relativity- you are judged compared to others around you, not in a vacuum.
Unlike some other user, I don’t give a shit about meaningless validation from online-strangers.

Then you're just a POS who has no point to even be on the forum. Mainstream would never fucking looksmaxx like this and you know it, you're just saying that because you know nothing and you're trying to make yourself sound like you know something. I tell people my advice significantly on not running neurotoxic braindead compounds like tren and my advice on how to talk and treat girls because this is what this forum is for. Hope you understand brother

 

[HardcoreLooksmaxxer]

You're right, you CAN'T research a stack like this because nobody has ever done it before beause its ridiculously complex, dangerous and entirely novel
And since you cannot adequately research something like this you shouldn't run it.
If you want to do it, feel free to, its your life
Get a pic of the look on the ER doctor's face when you tell him the shit you're running before your organs fail

Logically why would my organs fail. The liver doesn't even really get strained and the only thing I need to combat is Yk-11. Renal blood flow will need to be accelerated which I'll do with Astragalus Membranaceus. Liver support will also be Citrus Bergamot and Ezetimibe. I'm preventing extreme oxidative stress and damage with C60 which is the strongest antioxidant. I'm doing Cialis and Telmisartan to prevent damage from vasoconstriction on veins and arteries + the heart. What will stress the organs so hard that will cause failure?

 

[luuk]

Then you're just a POS who has no point to even be on the forum. Mainstream would never fucking looksmaxx like this and you know it, you're just saying that because you know nothing and you're trying to make yourself sound like you know something. I tell people my advice significantly on not running neurotoxic braindead compounds like tren and my advice on how to talk and treat girls because this is what this forum is for. Hope you understand brother

Is MENT not likely also neurotoxic too, being a 19-nor? From a cursory glance it hasn't even been researched enough for us to know for sure

 

[HardcoreLooksmaxxer]

Is MENT not likely also neurotoxic too, being a 19-nor? From a cursory glance it hasn't even been researched enough for us to know for sure

MENT is not directly neurotoxic but Tren definitely is. 19-nors don't tend to be neurotoxic but do have an issue with raising prolactin hence Deca Dick.

 

[luuk]

Logically why would my organs fail. The liver doesn't even really get strained and the only thing I need to combat is Yk-11. Renal blood flow will need to be accelerated which I'll do with Astragalus Membranaceus. Liver support will also be Citrus Bergamot and Ezetimibe. I'm preventing extreme oxidative stress and damage with C60 which is the strongest antioxidant. I'm doing Cialis and Telmisartan to prevent damage from vasoconstriction on veins and arteries + the heart. What will stress the organs so hard that will cause failure?

Have you not considered that maybe some of these drugs might interact, and that you're heavily disregulating homeostasis and causing stress to multiple organ systems through multiple pathways
Not to mention that you're practically guessing the doses

 

[HardcoreLooksmaxxer]

You’re mixing up potency with outcomes. Higher AR binding or “stronger” androgens don’t scale linearly with results. Both hypertrophy and androgenic effects saturate pretty fast once AR signaling is sufficiently high.

Past that point you mostly hit diminishing returns while side effects keep scaling (acne, hair loss, BP, CNS strain, lipids, suppression).

Yeah was concerned about this but I realized test isn't even close to hitting diminishing returns as no one even runs it high enough to reach that point. For this I might consider downscaling to 100mg/week of MENT

 

[HardcoreLooksmaxxer]

Have you not considered that maybe some of these drugs might interact, and that you're heavily disregulating homeostasis and causing stress to multiple organ systems through multiple pathways
Not to mention that you're practically guessing the doses

For MENT, I'm going based off the doses most people take + it's AR-binding strength. For the rest, it's plug and test with bloodwork (mainly the microdosed estrogen) but everything else is the usual dosing if not slightly less. Homeostasis definitely will be disregulated which happens with practically every stack, but I really don't understand what you're saying through the "multiple pathways". I do know that the load on them will increase but I don't know if you mean load wise or if the drugs will interact to do something bad.

 

[luuk]

I really don't understand what you're saying through the "multiple pathways". I do know that the load on them will increase but I don't know if you mean load wise or if the drugs will interact to do something bad.

I mean, you’re disregulating so many systems at once, taking so many different drugs and causing so many different side effects that they’re bound to compound and interact and cause complications. If you do start this I suggest introducing compounds gradually so you know whats causing what and how they interact

 

[HardcoreLooksmaxxer]

I mean, you’re disregulating so many systems at once, taking so many different drugs and causing so many different side effects that they’re bound to compound and interact and cause complications. If you do start this I suggest introducing compounds gradually so you know whats causing what and how they interact

I'm doing the heightmaxxing part first cuz I get my money in a month for this stuff so maybe that'll be good? Is that what you mean?

 

[NoaA99]

Then you're just a POS who has no point to even be on the forum. Mainstream would never fucking looksmaxx like this and you know it, you're just saying that because you know nothing and you're trying to make yourself sound like you know something. I tell people my advice significantly on not running neurotoxic braindead compounds like tren and my advice on how to talk and treat girls because this is what this forum is for. Hope you understand brother

I’m simply a rational person, unlike you supposedly, who understands that nothing should be used before extensive research has been done and something is thoroughly understood.

For once, I’ll point out the most obvious health-related reason why taking HGH twice a day is a retarded idea, something anyone with even minimal research should know.
HGH basically acts as an indirect antagonist to insulin.
It increases cellular uptake of free fatty acids for ATP synthesis.
If HGH is taken twice daily, the lipolytic state is prolonged and will inevitably interfere with meal timing.
When glucose is now consumed, it cannot be efficiently shuttled into cells due to the ongoing preference for fatty acid oxidation (Beta-oxidation).
As a result, blood glucose obviously rises and prompts increased insulin secretion to compensate and somewhat try to force glucose uptake.

Repeat this mechanism over a specific time span, and it will rapidly impair insulin sensitivity, effectively ending your little cycle.
There are other reasons as well, but I’ll leave it at that.

 

[HardcoreLooksmaxxer]

I’m simply a rational person, unlike you supposedly, who understands that nothing should be used before extensive research has been done and something is thoroughly understood.

For once, I’ll point out the most obvious health-related reason why taking HGH twice a day is a retarded idea, something anyone with even minimal research should know.
HGH basically acts as an indirect antagonist to insulin.
It increases cellular uptake of free fatty acids for ATP synthesis.
If HGH is taken twice daily, the lipolytic state is prolonged and will inevitably interfere with meal timing.
When glucose is now consumed, it cannot be efficiently shuttled into cells due to the ongoing preference for fatty acid oxidation (Beta-oxidation).
As a result, blood glucose obviously rises and prompts increased insulin secretion to compensate and somewhat try to force glucose uptake.

Repeat this mechanism over a specific time span, and it will rapidly impair insulin sensitivity, effectively ending your little cycle.
There are other reasons as well, but I’ll leave it at that.

Oh this? I was just planning to inject 1-2 hours before eating breakfast and inject 1-2 hours after eating my last meal. Would this not be good for counteracting that? Really appreciate the help brother

 

[HardcoreLooksmaxxer]

I’m simply a rational person, unlike you supposedly, who understands that nothing should be used before extensive research has been done and something is thoroughly understood.

For once, I’ll point out the most obvious health-related reason why taking HGH twice a day is a retarded idea, something anyone with even minimal research should know.
HGH basically acts as an indirect antagonist to insulin.
It increases cellular uptake of free fatty acids for ATP synthesis.
If HGH is taken twice daily, the lipolytic state is prolonged and will inevitably interfere with meal timing.
When glucose is now consumed, it cannot be efficiently shuttled into cells due to the ongoing preference for fatty acid oxidation (Beta-oxidation).
As a result, blood glucose obviously rises and prompts increased insulin secretion to compensate and somewhat try to force glucose uptake.

Repeat this mechanism over a specific time span, and it will rapidly impair insulin sensitivity, effectively ending your little cycle.
There are other reasons as well, but I’ll leave it at that.

Or should I just inject 10IU at night and also take Berberine HCl or Metformin HCl?

 

[HardcoreLooksmaxxer]

I’m simply a rational person, unlike you supposedly, who understands that nothing should be used before extensive research has been done and something is thoroughly understood.

For once, I’ll point out the most obvious health-related reason why taking HGH twice a day is a retarded idea, something anyone with even minimal research should know.
HGH basically acts as an indirect antagonist to insulin.
It increases cellular uptake of free fatty acids for ATP synthesis.
If HGH is taken twice daily, the lipolytic state is prolonged and will inevitably interfere with meal timing.
When glucose is now consumed, it cannot be efficiently shuttled into cells due to the ongoing preference for fatty acid oxidation (Beta-oxidation).
As a result, blood glucose obviously rises and prompts increased insulin secretion to compensate and somewhat try to force glucose uptake.

Repeat this mechanism over a specific time span, and it will rapidly impair insulin sensitivity, effectively ending your little cycle.
There are other reasons as well, but I’ll leave it at that.

Is decreasing to 8IU a smarter move? Berberine HCl and at night is good or no? Thanks for the help brother

 

[NoaA99]

Oh this? I was just planning to inject 1-2 hours before eating breakfast and inject 1-2 hours after eating my last meal. Would this not be good for counteracting that? Really appreciate the help brother

You can theoretically eat a meal close to or rather before the injection, just not close to the actual lypolitic state, which obviously isn’t immediately active right after the injection.
That’s one of the reasons, why you should ideally inject before going to bed.

There are several other reasons as well, but as I explained, you have to do your own research.
Everything is out there, and easily accessible.