LTR will descend most men

[Going2KillMyself]

Can’t find a single man who exited their shitty LTR in a better position than they entered. It’s usually the opposite. Everyone (wrongly) assumes the LTR is a victory for ascension. Maybe, but only if you are lucky.

The LTR drains your resources and energy and ur left in a worse state than ever. Since women are fuckable regardless, they still have options at the end but these men don’t. Then u have to consider the fights and bullshit u put up with

LTR is a giant scam most of the time as well. If u find a girl with a good sex drive and willing u can have frequent sex but otherwise it’s bullshit 1-2x a week max and it’s shit. And then u have to basically be roomates together

I’m almost certain most men enter into LTRs out of fear of missing out/ being perceived as an outcast. They should have spent the resources ascending and taking risks with their looks and career/money.

At the LTR scam especially in your 20s. It’s up there with mortgages tbh

Btw u can have a social circle while not being engaged in an LTR so you won’t be an outcast. As long as ur fit and not rotting people won’t assume you’re incapable of acquiring one (which is where the fear is).

MGTOW (MSTOW) clowns are retarded but they get one thing right: it’s better to be alone than be an abused dog

 

[russwestbrook]

Can’t find a single man who exited their shitty LTR in a better position than they entered

I ascended from bloaated ltn to upper htn lol but yes for the most part

 

[Deleted member 16346]

cope tbh, being in a good ltr was the best experience of my life

 

[thereallegend]

LTR + Wagecelling = No Time for Looksmaxxing = Descension

 

[Deleted member 17829]

The reason this happens is because most men dont realise this truth.

Smart ones (us hopefully) will work just as hard on self improvement while in a relationship

 

[MoggerGaston]

LTR + Wagecelling = No Time for Looksmaxxing = Descension

This. LTR takes time/energy, if u got a fulltime job next to it ull not have time to go to the gym, watch ur diet, skincare, dress well, etc.

Also having access to easy female validation leaves u unmotivated to try hard, u become soft and weak. lower T

 

[6ft4]

When choosing a cuck for an LTR, girls go for guys who "look" like they have it together but are just spending every cent they have on their car and clothes and "fun leisure filled lifestyle" to attract a foid
The foid sucks this man dry since he has no ambition for anything beyond an LTR and spending every spare cent he has amusing her and taking her on holidays etc
The truly ambitious man is Investing every cent he has or saving it for surgery in the hopes that he will one the wake up in the position of being a millionaire gigamogger to whom an LTR doesn't mean shit because he has Stacies seeking him wanting him to slay them
Women will overlook this man because he doesn't waste money on a car and clothes he doesn't need while he's on his grind

 

[Going2KillMyself]

I ascended from bloaated ltn to upper htn lol but yes for the most part

Excellent but losing weight is comparably easier to getting operations done or even fillers. It will be complicated explaining the need for this in an LTR and can lead to break up

cope tbh, being in a good ltr was the best experience of my life

Happy for u.

LTR + Wagecelling = No Time for Looksmaxxing = Descension

Correct.

The reason this happens is because most men dont realise this truth.

Smart ones (us hopefully) will work just as hard on self improvement while in a relationship

It’s almost impossible to justify why u need to ascend in an LTR. The woman will feel ur trying to leave. They want control

This. LTR takes time/energy, if u got a fulltime job next to it ull not have time to go to the gym, watch ur diet, skincare, dress well, etc.

Also having access to easy female validation leaves u unmotivated to try hard, u become soft and weak. lower T

Absolutely

 

[Going2KillMyself]

When choosing a cuck for an LTR, girls go for guys who "look" like they have it together but are just spending every cent they have on their car and clothes and "fun leisure filled lifestyle" to attract a foid
The foid sucks this man dry since he has no ambition for anything beyond an LTR and spending every spare cent he has amusing her and taking her on holidays etc
The truly ambitious man is Investing every cent he has or saving it for surgery in the hopes that he will one the wake up in the position of being a millionaire gigamogger to whom an LTR doesn't mean shit because he has Stacies seeking him wanting him to slay them
Women will overlook this man because he doesn't waste money on a car and clothes he doesn't need while he's on his grind

First part is really brutal . I wouldn’t spent every cent on surgery but until I was happy with how I looked I would not be devoting money to an LTR like some do

 

[Deleted member 17829]

It’s almost impossible to justify why u need to ascend in an LTR. The woman will feel ur trying to leave. They want control

nothing wrong with going gym and getting more money etc right?

 

[Going2KillMyself]

nothing wrong with going gym and getting more money etc right?

Of course there’s nothing wrong with it but the woman will question why ur doing it. Unless u plan to spend the money on her

 

[Deleted member 17829]

Of course there’s nothing wrong with it but the woman will question why ur doing it. Unless u plan to spend the money on her

"to stay healthy and so can provide a good life to our future kids"

 

[Going2KillMyself]

"to stay healthy and so can provide a good life to our future kids"

Will only work for so long tbh. Eventually they’ll want commitment and marriage if that’s the case. Then gg they’re entitled to parts of ur future income. Women aren’t retarded, they won’t just take ur word for it. U can’t just say “oh Dw I’m doing it because I see us together” and not propose or invest heavy into the relationship

They want control

 

[Deleted member 17829]

Will only work for so long tbh. Eventually they’ll want commitment and marriage if that’s the case. Then gg they’re entitled to parts of ur future income. Women aren’t retarded, they won’t just take ur word for it. U can’t just say “oh Dw I’m doing it because I see us together” and not propose or invest heavy into the relationship

They want control

what happens if u simply dont give them control but keep getting more jacked and more money?

 

[Going2KillMyself]

what happens if u simply dont give them control but keep getting more jacked and more money?

LTR is dead

 

[Deleted member 17829]

LTR is dead

why, i liked it

 

[Going2KillMyself]

why, i liked it

On a real note it’s over

 

[Deleted member 17829]

WOT FUNNY

 

[Aladin]

Can’t find a single man who exited their shitty LTR in a better position than they entered. It’s usually the opposite. Everyone (wrongly) assumes the LTR is a victory for ascension. Maybe, but only if you are lucky.

The LTR drains your resources and energy and ur left in a worse state than ever. Since women are fuckable regardless, they still have options at the end but these men don’t. Then u have to consider the fights and bullshit u put up with

LTR is a giant scam most of the time as well. If u find a girl with a good sex drive and willing u can have frequent sex but otherwise it’s bullshit 1-2x a week max and it’s shit. And then u have to basically be roomates together

I’m almost certain most men enter into LTRs out of fear of missing out/ being perceived as an outcast. They should have spent the resources ascending and taking risks with their looks and career/money.

At the LTR scam especially in your 20s. It’s up there with mortgages tbh

Btw u can have a social circle while not being engaged in an LTR so you won’t be an outcast. As long as ur fit and not rotting people won’t assume you’re incapable of acquiring one (which is where the fear is).

MGTOW (MSTOW) clowns are retarded but they get one thing right: it’s better to be alone than be an abused dog

its a joke, i have 3 sisters, ive never seen a functional LTR where the due wasnt getting the short end of the shit
like srs
wham bam thank you mam
or nothing

 

[Going2KillMyself]

its a joke, i have 3 sisters, ive never seen a functional LTR where the due wasnt getting the short end of the shit
like srs
wham bam thank you mam
or nothing

nothing will change. Men will always suffer tbh

 

[softlysoftly]

Can’t find a single man who exited their shitty LTR in a better position than they entered. It’s usually the opposite. Everyone (wrongly) assumes the LTR is a victory for ascension. Maybe, but only if you are lucky.

The LTR drains your resources and energy and ur left in a worse state than ever. Since women are fuckable regardless, they still have options at the end but these men don’t. Then u have to consider the fights and bullshit u put up with

LTR is a giant scam most of the time as well. If u find a girl with a good sex drive and willing u can have frequent sex but otherwise it’s bullshit 1-2x a week max and it’s shit. And then u have to basically be roomates together

I’m almost certain most men enter into LTRs out of fear of missing out/ being perceived as an outcast. They should have spent the resources ascending and taking risks with their looks and career/money.

At the LTR scam especially in your 20s. It’s up there with mortgages tbh

Btw u can have a social circle while not being engaged in an LTR so you won’t be an outcast. As long as ur fit and not rotting people won’t assume you’re incapable of acquiring one (which is where the fear is).

MGTOW (MSTOW) clowns are retarded but they get one thing right: it’s better to be alone than be an abused dog

thats what doggies here don't like get thru they thick skulls
ltr is mostly not a win for most guys, these shut ins see most dudes their age with gf on the street but they don't realize the lack of sex and most of which is initiated by the guy and also the money the guy wastes for gf during the relationship only to get sex 1x a week max and at the end they come out older and fatter looking like they really think they win but they lose heavy

 

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[Mr.Proper]

The common mistake a lot of men make in LTR or marriage is thinking they "won" and now they can relax and abandon healthy lifestyle, taking care of themselves and so on. Then dead bedrooms, fights over little things etc.
Since I wouldn't like to have kids anyway, I'd prefer FwB personally. It's not as easily obtainable, though.

 

[NoCope]

The common mistake a lot of men make in LTR or marriage is thinking they "won" and now they can relax and abandon healthy lifestyle, taking care of themselves and so on. Then dead bedrooms, fights over little things etc.
Since I wouldn't like to have kids anyway, I'd prefer FwB personally. It's not as easy obtainable, though.

Tbh, in this day and age, fwb are way more obtainable. Especially if you a lil ugly, women will still want your dick (as long as you are good at sex, but that’s something you can learn), but not rlly wanna date (but neither do you, cuz they a lil too hoe and a lil too ugly as well)

 

[Mr.Proper]

Tbh, in this day and age, fwb are way more obtainable. Especially if you a lil ugly, women will still want your dick (as long as you are good at sex, but that’s something you can learn), but not rlly wanna date (but neither do you, cuz they a lil too hoe and a lil too ugly as well)

I had a weird situation, when a girl said "you are strange (read: non-NT), so we can't date officially but sex was really good and I liked it, so let's stay fwb until I find myself a guy for relationships (read: socialized Chad)". It didn't take a long time to find the guy afterwards, of course.
Other girls, however, can't tell if you're good in sex, unless there is some gossip, maybe, or you demonstrate them "sex tapes" you recorded (that's quite unusual way).

 

[klamus]

Yeah its true. Went to My family Summer House sauna and swimming with My bros who Have All Been in LTR For years and this is The first Time I properly bodymogged them. They all had bellys and I was laughing at them.

 

[Deleted member 16220]

over regardless. LTR for normie is meme and slaying isn't option for normie. chad wins regardless you tell me.

 

[Going2KillMyself]

thats what doggies here don't like get thru they thick skulls
ltr is mostly not a win for most guys, these shut ins see most dudes their age with gf on the street but they don't realize the lack of sex and most of which is initiated by the guy and also the money the guy wastes for gf during the relationship only to get sex 1x a week max and at the end they come out older and fatter looking like they really think they win but they lose heavy

I’ve been saying this and few understand. I think it comes down to fear of missing out and no real strategy for improving looks/maybe they can’t improve looks in which case, it makes sense. I’m dedicating money to roiding/health and some surgery so I’ll take the gamble

Muh bbc supremacy

The common mistake a lot of men make in LTR or marriage is thinking they "won" and now they can relax and abandon healthy lifestyle, taking care of themselves and so on. Then dead bedrooms, fights over little things etc.
Since I wouldn't like to have kids anyway, I'd prefer FwB personally. It's not as easily obtainable, though.

LTR in the long run will be more damaging and hurtful in every way than getting a fwb.

I had a weird situation, when a girl said "you are strange (read: non-NT), so we can't date officially but sex was really good and I liked it, so let's stay fwb until I find myself a guy for relationships (read: socialized Chad)". It didn't take a long time to find the guy afterwards, of course.
Other girls, however, can't tell if you're good in sex, unless there is some gossip, maybe, or you demonstrate them "sex tapes" you recorded (that's quite unusual way).

Yeah its true. Went to My family Summer House sauna and swimming with My bros who Have All Been in LTR For years and this is The first Time I properly bodymogged them. They all had bellys and I was laughing at them.

Nothing will change tbh. This will continue.

over regardless. LTR for normie is meme and slaying isn't option for normie. chad wins regardless you tell me.

Normies have to evaluate whether they want to devote resources to ascension or just call it quits and LTR.

 

[๕ඞChick3ncu1ry]

familiarity breeds contempt

 

[๕ඞChick3ncu1ry]

cope tbh, being in a good ltr was the best experience of my life

How do you do it to keep the spark?

 

[oldcelloser]

LEAVE THE WEST YOU FUCKING GYNOCENTRIC CUKS

 

[BoneDensity]

LEAVE THE WEST YOU FUCKING GYNOCENTRIC CUKS

The only viable course of action. A normie cannot win in the west.

 

[eikson]

Coming out of a 6 year relationship I wouldn't say that LTRs always suck for normies if you avoid some of the mistakes that I made.
1) Dont get lazy. Your foid looksmatch will always have twice your SMV. Don't let her hypergamous doubt set in, especially when you live in a big city and are <30 years old.
2) Communicate early when you feel something is wrong or miss something. Most things can be fixed, if they can't it's best to spot them early. Don't make my mistake thinking things get better on their own or that there are things you can just sit out
3) Keep your options warm. I hate saying that but your looksmatch will always have dudes hitting on her who have a higher smv than you, even if she loves you this shit will mess with her head. Flirting with other women isn't cheating, it's simply evening the playing field a little.

So yes "muh chad can always come and steal your gf" but don't overanalyze the blackpill. You probably wouldn't cheat with the first girl that hits on you and neither will your gf. Girls are more than the sum of their evolutionary instincts.

 

[FrenchareMedCucks]

Coming out of a 6 year relationship I wouldn't say that LTRs always suck for normies if you avoid some of the mistakes that I made.
1) Dont get lazy. Your foid looksmatch will always have twice your SMV. Don't let her hypergamous doubt set in, especially when you live in a big city and are <30 years old.
2) Communicate early when you feel something is wrong or miss something. Most things can be fixed, if they can't it's best to spot them early. Don't make my mistake thinking things get better on their own or that there are things you can just sit out
3) Keep your options warm. I hate saying that but your looksmatch will always have dudes hitting on her who have a higher smv than you, even if she loves you this shit will mess with her head. Flirting with other women isn't cheating, it's simply evening the playing field a little.

So yes "muh chad can always come and steal your gf" but don't overanalyze the blackpill. You probably wouldn't cheat with the first girl that hits on you and neither will your gf. Girls are more than the sum of their evolutionary instincts.

So assuming you are LTR your looksmatch and not mogging her by 1+ PSL , you pointed out the importance of good life style , social circle, cool hobbies and holydays.

Otherwise your looksmatch will get bored and find IRL or online dating one of her thousands male orbiters.

I find it incredibly harder to keep a LTR with one's looksmatch or not being cucked/dominated by the woman.
better to lower one's standard and have sex and cheating on her with better looking girls on her back.

As you pointed out every HTB or solid MTB have insane SMV can - at least have ONS with 5.5 PSL 6 PSL Chads from cities 200 km away
- get a new LTR with a rich statusmaxxed HTN/ low Chadlite
- betabuxx a millionaire oldcel

 

[MakinMogReturns]

Can’t find a single man who exited their shitty LTR in a better position than they entered. It’s usually the opposite. Everyone (wrongly) assumes the LTR is a victory for ascension. Maybe, but only if you are lucky.

The LTR drains your resources and energy and ur left in a worse state than ever. Since women are fuckable regardless, they still have options at the end but these men don’t. Then u have to consider the fights and bullshit u put up with

LTR is a giant scam most of the time as well. If u find a girl with a good sex drive and willing u can have frequent sex but otherwise it’s bullshit 1-2x a week max and it’s shit. And then u have to basically be roomates together

I’m almost certain most men enter into LTRs out of fear of missing out/ being perceived as an outcast. They should have spent the resources ascending and taking risks with their looks and career/money.

At the LTR scam especially in your 20s. It’s up there with mortgages tbh

Btw u can have a social circle while not being engaged in an LTR so you won’t be an outcast. As long as ur fit and not rotting people won’t assume you’re incapable of acquiring one (which is where the fear is).

MGTOW (MSTOW) clowns are retarded but they get one thing right: it’s better to be alone than be an abused dog

Wrong I am almost a chad and I have a LTR.

 

[eikson]

I find it incredibly harder to keep a LTR with one's looksmatch or not being cucked/dominated by the woman.
better to lower one's standard and have sex and cheating on her with better looking girls on her back.

As you pointed out every HTB or solid MTB have insane SMV can - at least have ONS with 5.5 PSL 6 PSL Chads from cities 200 km away
- get a new LTR with a rich statusmaxxed HTN/ low Chadlite
- betabuxx a millionaire oldcel

Yeah, this is kind of true. I noticed more girls getting lazy in LTRs tho, I almost dumped my ex two years ago because she refused to establish at least a minimal exercise routine. They can afford to let their smv plummet because they still have options. At the same time being in an LTR gives males an SMV boost while it's neutral for females. Guys don't care about preselection, girls do.

"As you pointed out every HTB or solid MTB have insane SMV can - at least have ONS with 5.5 PSL 6 PSL Chads from cities 200 km away
- get a new LTR with a rich statusmaxxed HTN/ low Chadlite
- betabuxx a millionaire oldcel"

Not really. The ONS part is true. The other two points don't really add up. There simply aren't enough statusmaxxed HTNs or chadlites around that want to commit to an LTR for every upper MTB to have that option. Millionaire oldcels looking for gold diggers are also extremely rare.

 

[๕ඞChick3ncu1ry]

Can’t find a single man who exited their shitty LTR in a better position than they entered. It’s usually the opposite. Everyone (wrongly) assumes the LTR is a victory for ascension. Maybe, but only if you are lucky.

The LTR drains your resources and energy and ur left in a worse state than ever. Since women are fuckable regardless, they still have options at the end but these men don’t. Then u have to consider the fights and bullshit u put up with

LTR is a giant scam most of the time as well. If u find a girl with a good sex drive and willing u can have frequent sex but otherwise it’s bullshit 1-2x a week max and it’s shit. And then u have to basically be roomates together

I’m almost certain most men enter into LTRs out of fear of missing out/ being perceived as an outcast. They should have spent the resources ascending and taking risks with their looks and career/money.

At the LTR scam especially in your 20s. It’s up there with mortgages tbh

Btw u can have a social circle while not being engaged in an LTR so you won’t be an outcast. As long as ur fit and not rotting people won’t assume you’re incapable of acquiring one (which is where the fear is).

MGTOW (MSTOW) clowns are retarded but they get one thing right: it’s better to be alone than be an abused dog

THIS!!!!!

I've been praising this and avoiding LTR like a plague my whole life. Being on my own with the freedom I have + getting girls who are DTF once a week is enough + validation from strangers.

 

[๕ඞChick3ncu1ry]

cope tbh, being in a good ltr was the best experience of my life

You were the prize in that relationship then because you got chad treatment by your partner.

 

[Tasty17]

Happened to me. I’m 26 now and most of my prime is wasted.

 

[Boxingfan]

Didn't this guy kill himself?

 

[thereallegend]

Yeah, this is kind of true. I noticed more girls getting lazy in LTRs tho, I almost dumped my ex two years ago because she refused to establish at least a minimal exercise routine. They can afford to let their smv plummet because they still have options. At the same time being in an LTR gives males an SMV boost while it's neutral for females. Guys don't care about preselection, girls do.



Not really. The ONS part is true. The other two points don't really add up. There simply aren't enough statusmaxxed HTNs or chadlites around that want to commit to an LTR for every upper MTB to have that option. Millionaire oldcels looking for gold diggers are also extremely rare.

A lot of women are simply lazy. They'll only have dating apps downloaded for a week and then delete after getting overwhelmed with propositions or getting pumped/dumped. They'll cope with career/school/friends/alcohol/vaping/pets and hope some tall HTN approaches them IRL.

 

[Skywalker]

cope tbh, being in a good ltr was the best experience of my life

you're low t beta

 

[Skywalker]

Didn't this guy kill himself?

yep deserved though; beta male disney fantasy and low t; if he injected he would have gone past the blue pill/disney fantasy

 

[Deleted member 22093]

The trick is to never forget about how your life was when you were ugly and never lose sight of the fact that the relationship could end at any time. Stick to your routine you have for staying in shape and don't get complacent just because you're in a relationship. An LTR with the right woman can be one of the most fulfilling and insightful experiences you'll ever have.

 

[Deleted member 16357]

Yeah, this is kind of true. I noticed more girls getting lazy in LTRs tho, I almost dumped my ex two years ago because she refused to establish at least a minimal exercise routine. They can afford to let their smv plummet because they still have options. At the same time being in an LTR gives males an SMV boost while it's neutral for females. Guys don't care about preselection, girls do.



Not really. The ONS part is true. The other two points don't really add up. There simply aren't enough statusmaxxed HTNs or chadlites around that want to commit to an LTR for every upper MTB to have that option. Millionaire oldcels looking for gold diggers are also extremely rare.

Just lol at these delusional blackpillers thinking all these MTB’s are dating millionaires and statusmaxxed chadlites. Then you go outside and see them with 5’7 asians.

 

[LOST]

LTR are peace after certain age and when you have your shit together.
LTR is a huge temptation, love feels good, daily sex, comfortable sex....
But thats the problem: COMFORT
You get lazy, you think its enough, and u stop improving yourself in all areas.

After 27-28 LTR with a good woman is a wise decision if you know how to deal with it.
Before prolly worth just to gain experienice, go through some breakups young and have resources to overcome future losses of people around.
But yes, they can make you a lil bitch and usually you exit them in a worse position.

But anyways in my opinion...at certain age you feel better with a woman, than with multiple hoes

 

[Deleted member 16371]

Didn't this guy kill himself?

Did he?