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wondering about this
- Women prefer *moderately masculine* faces?
Not ‘the more masculine the better’?
- Women prefer moderately muscly men, not even oldschool aesthetic bodybuilders?
Another: „ Consistent with the inverted-U hypothesis of masculine traits, men with moderate muscularity are rated most attractive.”
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
- Women rate voice depth of 96Hz the most attractive male voice depth?
Average male is 120 Hz
But: Vin Diesel and Morgan Freeman are much lower than 96Hz, still it seems 96Hz is the most attractive and not ‘the lower the better’
https://academic.oup.com/beheco/article/27/2/512/2196612
https://www.researchgate.net/figure...-lower-pitched-voice-was-above_fig3_221689580
- Best study about penis size women that I found:
They let 75 Women choose between 33 different 3d-printed penis models they could touch:
"Women preferred a penis of slightly larger circumference and length for one-time (length = 6.4 inches/16.3 cm, circumference = 5.0 inches/12.7 cm) versus long-term (length = 6.3 inches/16.0 cm, circumference = 4.8 inches/12.2 cm) sexual partners."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4558040/
Not 8x6 or even larger
- Women want ideally a man that is 25cm taller than them in this study?
Western average woman is 165cm tall, so this would make ideal height of man 190cm.
Meaning 200cm is actually less attractive than 190cm?
www.researchgate.net
- Women prefer men with, but balding is a totally dimorphic masculine trait (and I imagine the more testosterone the more balding in general)? So having hair is basically non-masculine?
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This video has some thesis:
- ‘Ideal man’ portrayals in Media geared towards Men is in parts drastically different than
‘Ideal man’ portrayals in Media geared towards Men
Ideal men in media for men: supermuscular, powerful killing Rambo
Ideal men in media for women: goodlooking, also sweet sensitive Justin Timberlake
...
Male-male competition vs female mate choice:
“Darwin provided two mechanisms through which sexual selection operates: male–male competition and female mate choice.”
onlinelibrary.wiley.com
Male to male competition I am pretty sure is: Men fight / dominate each other (competition resulting in a status hierarchy or really war) and basically the male against male competitors who wins gets the first pick at the women, basically men decide among themselves (with competition or war) who gets the women.
While female mate choice is the effect when the woman chooses without that effect.
I am thinking male to male competition was more in old times? (Or religious monogamy / where eg the parents decide the man and only look at his status in the tribe)
Now she is just on tinder and just seeing how the man looks, that sounds like 100% female mate choice.
I guess ‘status’ is the whole thing, but status in modern times is not just given by men, it’s the same given by women. Eg movie star is a movie star not just because of male fans but also of female fans.
I would say status from women is even better than status from men – I would want to be a singer that has 99% female fans than a singer that has 99% male fans. (And also 99% male fans is not useless, she can see you have status other men looking at you, but her herself being a fan is surely 100x more powerful)
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On the other hand for each of these things (super muscular, supergiant cock..) I guess there is a minority of women who have a fetish for it and really go off on it.
Eg a small minority of women has a fetish for super-muscular guys. Or guys with superbig dicks. So perhaps the ‘ideal of the average woman’ gets you the biggest sum of total interest of women, but eg having a giant cock polarizes and gives you supermuch interest from a minority of women.
Another theory is that the average female likes something more beta than the superhot female.
Another theory is that females would give more hardcore answers if they were asked for ideal one night stand instead of general attractiveness.
- Women prefer *moderately masculine* faces?
Not ‘the more masculine the better’?
- Women prefer moderately muscly men, not even oldschool aesthetic bodybuilders?
Another: „ Consistent with the inverted-U hypothesis of masculine traits, men with moderate muscularity are rated most attractive.”
![pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov](/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fcdn.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov%2Fpubmed%2Fpersistent%2Fpubmed-meta-image-v2.jpg&hash=a1548116300a186a8bf3da49a5026dc1&return_error=1)
Why is muscularity sexy? Tests of the fitness indicator hypothesis - PubMed
Evolutionary scientists propose that exaggerated secondary sexual characteristics are cues of genes that increase offspring viability or reproductive success. In six studies the hypothesis that muscularity is one such cue is tested. As predicted, women rate muscular men as sexier, more...
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- Women rate voice depth of 96Hz the most attractive male voice depth?
Average male is 120 Hz
But: Vin Diesel and Morgan Freeman are much lower than 96Hz, still it seems 96Hz is the most attractive and not ‘the lower the better’
https://academic.oup.com/beheco/article/27/2/512/2196612
https://www.researchgate.net/figure...-lower-pitched-voice-was-above_fig3_221689580
- Best study about penis size women that I found:
They let 75 Women choose between 33 different 3d-printed penis models they could touch:
"Women preferred a penis of slightly larger circumference and length for one-time (length = 6.4 inches/16.3 cm, circumference = 5.0 inches/12.7 cm) versus long-term (length = 6.3 inches/16.0 cm, circumference = 4.8 inches/12.2 cm) sexual partners."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4558040/
Not 8x6 or even larger
- Women want ideally a man that is 25cm taller than them in this study?
Western average woman is 165cm tall, so this would make ideal height of man 190cm.
Meaning 200cm is actually less attractive than 190cm?
![www.researchgate.net](/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fi1.rgstatic.net%2Fpublication%2F236670565_The_height_of_choosiness_Mutual_mate_choice_for_stature_results_in_suboptimal_pair_formation_for_both_sexes%2Flinks%2F5a5d1b43a6fdcc68fa96f217%2Flargepreview.png&hash=9ebbb69cf75c30f5299db15fc1b493dd&return_error=1)
(PDF) The height of choosiness: Mutual mate choice for stature results in suboptimal pair formation for both sexes
PDF | Mutual mate choice is prevalent in humans, where both males and females have a say in their choice of partner. How the choices made by one sex... | Find, read and cite all the research you need on ResearchGate
![www.researchgate.net](/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fc5.rgstatic.net%2Fm%2F41542880220916%2Fimages%2Ffavicon%2Ffavicon-32x32.png&hash=56b960edd3fe86cebfab146fa346b7d7&return_error=1)
- Women prefer men with, but balding is a totally dimorphic masculine trait (and I imagine the more testosterone the more balding in general)? So having hair is basically non-masculine?
---
This video has some thesis:
- ‘Ideal man’ portrayals in Media geared towards Men is in parts drastically different than
‘Ideal man’ portrayals in Media geared towards Men
Ideal men in media for men: supermuscular, powerful killing Rambo
Ideal men in media for women: goodlooking, also sweet sensitive Justin Timberlake
...
Male-male competition vs female mate choice:
“Darwin provided two mechanisms through which sexual selection operates: male–male competition and female mate choice.”
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Male to male competition I am pretty sure is: Men fight / dominate each other (competition resulting in a status hierarchy or really war) and basically the male against male competitors who wins gets the first pick at the women, basically men decide among themselves (with competition or war) who gets the women.
While female mate choice is the effect when the woman chooses without that effect.
I am thinking male to male competition was more in old times? (Or religious monogamy / where eg the parents decide the man and only look at his status in the tribe)
Now she is just on tinder and just seeing how the man looks, that sounds like 100% female mate choice.
I guess ‘status’ is the whole thing, but status in modern times is not just given by men, it’s the same given by women. Eg movie star is a movie star not just because of male fans but also of female fans.
I would say status from women is even better than status from men – I would want to be a singer that has 99% female fans than a singer that has 99% male fans. (And also 99% male fans is not useless, she can see you have status other men looking at you, but her herself being a fan is surely 100x more powerful)
---
On the other hand for each of these things (super muscular, supergiant cock..) I guess there is a minority of women who have a fetish for it and really go off on it.
Eg a small minority of women has a fetish for super-muscular guys. Or guys with superbig dicks. So perhaps the ‘ideal of the average woman’ gets you the biggest sum of total interest of women, but eg having a giant cock polarizes and gives you supermuch interest from a minority of women.
Another theory is that the average female likes something more beta than the superhot female.
Another theory is that females would give more hardcore answers if they were asked for ideal one night stand instead of general attractiveness.