Male vs Female Nasal Size, Morphology & More

[Kingkellz]

Nasal Bones & Pyriform Aperture

Spoiler

Facial Gender Affirmation Surgery, An Issue of Facial Plastic Surgery Clinics of North America

Male nasal bones tend to meet in the midline at a sharper angle and the nasal aperture is higher and narrower, with sharp rather than rounded margins.

Morphometric Study of Nasal Bone and Piriform Aperture in Human Dry Skull​

Shape and size analysis of the piriform aperture and nasal bone showed the existence of a significant sexual dimorphism. The mean width of the piriform aperture was 24.9±1.59 mm in males and 22.77±1.57 mm in females, the mean length was 29.57±3.28mm in females and 31.16±3.58mm in males.

CT evaluation of the bony nasal pyramid dimensions ​

The bone thickness was 2.23 mm ± 0.15 mm in males and 2.19 mm ± 0.14 mm in females at the level of upper border of the nasal bone; 1.82 mm ± 0.32 mm in males and 1.81 mm ± 0.25 mm in females at the intermediate level; and 1.73 mm ± 0.30 mm in males and 1.86 mm ± 0.69 mm in females at the lower border of the nasal bone. The mean thickness on the lateral osteotomy line was 1.85 mm ± 0.32 mm in males and 1.91 mm ± 0.46 mm in females. The mean thickness of the medial osteotomy line was 2.08 ± 0.17 mm in males and 2.04 mm ± 0.17 mm in females. The mean length of the nasal bone was 30.61 mm ± 1.26 mm in males and 29.01 mm ± 1.12 mm in females. The mean width of the pyriform aperture was 18.83 mm ± 2.17 mm in males and 18.19 mm ± 1.85 in females.

Nasal Skin

Spoiler

Nasal Skin Thickness Measurements Using Computed Tomography in an Adult Saudi Population​

When the nasal skin thicknesses were compared between men and women, a significant difference was observed only at the columella (P = 0.016).

Male versus female skin: What dermatologists and cosmeticians should know​

The studies show that the skin parameters of hydration, transepidermal water loss, sebum, microcirculation, pigmentation, and thickness are generally higher in men but skin pH is higher in women. Also, skin pigmentation and thickness are significantly higher, facial wrinkles are deeper, and facial sagging is more prominent in the lower eyelids of men.

Nasal Size

Essentials of Facial Growth, by Enlow & Hans

The male nose is proportionately larger than the female nose (Fig. 8-7).

Why?

The overall body size of the male tends to be larger than that of the
female, and the male lungs are correspondingly more sizable to provide
for the relatively more massive muscles and body organs. This calls for a
larger airway, beginning with the nose and nasopharynx. A principal sexual dimorphic difference, therefore, is the size and configuration of the
nose, and this, in turn, leads to collateral differences in other topographic
structures of the face, since the airway is a developmental keystone.

Spoiler: More Info

Essentials of Facial Growth, by Enlow & Hans

The male nose, in general, tends to be
more protrusive, longer, wider, more fleshy, and tends to have larger and
more flaring nostrils. All of this is in contrast to a relatively thin and
less protrusive female nose.

Naini

The male nose is proportionately larger than the female
nose. Women tend to have smaller noses with more concave
dorsal morphology in profile view, whereas men’s noses are
relatively larger and more pronounced.

Thieme E-Journals - Facial Plastic Surgery / Full Text​

The male nose is generally larger than the female nose because of the increased volume of cartilage and bone. In contrast, female noses are smaller and shorter.

Ontogenetic scaling of the human nose in a longitudinal sample: implications for genus Homo facial evolution - PubMed​

We found that males and females exhibit similar nasal size values early in ontogeny and that sexual dimorphism in nasal size appears during adolescence. Moreover, when scaled to body size, males exhibit greater positive allometry in nasal size compared to females.

Sexually dimorphic differences in nasal development and scaling mirror patterns of ontogenetic variation in variables associated with oxygen consumption and tissue maintenance.

The ontogeny of nasal shape: An analysis of sexual dimorphism in a longitudinal sample - PubMed​

However, as sitting height increases males exhibit a disproportionate increase in nasal region height that is not present in the female sample. Moreover, the male nasal region is less integrated with the surrounding facial skeleton when compared to the female sample.

(PDF) 3D ANALYSIS OF SEXUAL DIMORPHISM IN THE NASAL CAVITY OF MODERN HUMANS​

We confirmed sexual dimorphism in this structure, males having larger
airways than females. The outflow region in the nasal cavities differs in
absolute and relative size, especially in the proportions of the choanae.
This could be related to respiratory oxygen consumption and body energy
expenditure.
Our findings support the
hypothesis that human upper airways are larger in males than in females,
as proposed in Rosas and Bastir (2002). Larger choanae in males permit
inhalation of greater air volume in the respiratory sistem than smaller
female choanae (Mlynski et al., 2001).

Are gender differences in external noses caused by differences in nasal septal growth? - PubMed​

Nasal septa and external noses were both larger in males than in females at the beginning of the study period, although not significantly. The differences became significant throughout the study due to differential increases between the sexes during the monitored growth spurts.

Adolescent growth patterns of the bony and cartilaginous framework of the nose: a cephalometric study - PubMed​

Nasal height and nasal bridge length became fully mature in males at 15 years and fully mature in females at 12 years. The upper nasal dorsum, lower nasal dorsum, anterior nasal depth, and posterior nasal depth exhibited continuous growth up to 14 years in males and 2 years earlier in females. Nasal tip protrusion approached its mature size in males at 15 years and at 13 years in females.

Nasal Dorsal Contour

*Note how the cartoon depicts the differences in male and female nasal dorsal contour

A line drawn from nasion (N′) to the nasal tip (pronasale, Prn) forms the nasal dorsal line.
The contour of the nasal dorsum and dorsal line (N′- Prn) may be straight, convex or concave.
In men, the dorsum is approximately on the dorsal line. In women, the nasal dorsum may be up to 2 mm basal and parallel to the dorsal line.

Males

Researchgate

A high dorsum that is
straight or with a slight hump may be considered the
ideal for the white male nose.

Essentials of Facial Growth, by Enlow & Hans

The male nose usually ranges from a straight
to a convex (aquiline) profile.

Why are there multiple variations in male nasal configuration?

Spoiler

The reason for the multiple male variations in nasal configuration lies in the more protuberant nature of the whole nasal region. Both
the upper and lower parts of the whole external nose are protrusive, but
the lower part can be constrained to a degree by the septopremaxillary
ligament, palate, and maxillary arch. The contour of the nose thus "rotates"; it either ''bends'' to give an aquiline configuration or rotates into a
straight, but more vertical, alignment.

Females

Researchgate

A nasal dorsum with a
straight profile or a slight concavity at the rhinion
currently is generally considered the aesthetic ideal
for the white female nose.

Essentials of Facial Growth, by Enlow & Hans

The female nose tends to range from
a straight to a somewhat concave profile.

Nasal Base Inclination

The intersection of a line through the
most anterior and posterior edges of the nostril with a true
vertical line through subnasale. Some authorities refer to
this measurement as the ‘nasolabial angle ’or ‘columella
inclination’, both of which are inaccurate as the upper lip
and columella are not involved in the measurement.
Normal values are:
• Male: 90 – 95 °.
• Female: 95 – 105 °

*Note how cartoons once again highlight the differences in male and female nasal base inclination

Males

Females

What influences the nasal base inclination?

As you can see the direction of the anterior nasal spine influences the nasal base inclination.


Nasal Tip
Essentials of Facial Growth, by Enlow & Hans

The tip of the male nose is often
more pointed and has a greater tendency to turn downward, and the some-
what more rounded female nose often tips upward.
The external nares in
the female are more often visible in a face-on view for this reason.

Males

Females

Supra-tip Break
The supratip break or depression is a subtle dorsal
depression formed by the convexity of the cephalic edges of the lateral crura as they diverge superolaterally over the cartilaginous nasal dorsum, higher than the nasal septum. It is a slight depression that exists on the aesthetic nose and helps to distinguish the dorsum from the tip; it is often more pronounced in the female.

The supratip is the part of the nose where the inferior region of the nasal dorsum meets the tip of the nose, a supratip break is present when there is a variation in height between the nasal tip and the adjacent nasal bridge.

The male nose may have a dorsal hump or straight dorsum with very little supratip break, whereas the female nose is considered attractive if it shows a straight or mildly concave dorsum with an accented tip.

Nasion Level

Males

Men tend to have higher nasion levels (ideally above the mid-pupil) than women due the sex/gender differences in both the nasal bones and nasal aperture.
Essentials of Facial Growth, by Enlow & Hans

The interorbital part of the nasal bridge in the male
tends to be much higher.

Facial Gender Affirmation Surgery, An Issue of Facial Plastic Surgery Clinics of North America

The nasal aperture in men is higher and narrower, with sharp rather than rounded margins.

Females

Females tend to have nasion levels around the mid-pupil or lower.


Nasion Height

Sexual Dimorphism in the Nose Morphotype

The female and the male populations had
a mean of 7.73 mm and 9.20 mm respectively.
There were a significant differences
(p<0.01) in the nasion projection from the face between the
two genders, the male having a greater projection than the
female population. Males: mean of 9.2mm, Females: mean of 7.73mm

@bogii @Pendejo @forwardgrowth @Bobelbrah

 

[Tenshi]

you have a lot of free time don't you

 

[Kingkellz]

You can tell by the nose--judging sex from an isolated facial feature - PubMed​

Analysis of variance demonstrated a significant interaction of sex of nose and view of nose, such that male noses were identified better in frontal and in profile views, but female noses better in the three-quarter view. It is suggested that one possible reason for the seemingly contradictory role of the nose in previous studies of sex judgment is that all noses look more male in frontal views. For a nose to be perceived as female, its distinctive shape must be made available to the perceiver; this is most likely from the three-quarter view.

Thieme E-Journals - Facial Plastic Surgery / Full Text​

The male nose is generally larger than the female nose because of the increased volume of cartilage and bone. As previously noted, the nose has a more acute glabellar angle in the male than in the female.[4] [5] [7] [11] Male nasal bones tend to meet in the midline at a sharper angle[7] [16] and the nasal aperture is higher and narrower, with sharp rather than rounded margins. In contrast, female noses are smaller and shorter. They have narrower bridges and alar bases, with a more obtuse nasolabial angle.[12] [16] The male nose may have a dorsal hump or straight dorsum with very little supratip break, whereas the female nose is considered attractive if it shows a straight or mildly concave dorsum with an accented tip.[11] [16] The male nose has a slightly wider nasal root than the female nose and a somewhat wider alar width. Additionally, there is a significantly large difference between labial insertions of the alar base in males compared with females.[5]

forgot to tag @VeryFuglyNiyguhs

 

[6ft4]

I've never slayed a girl with one of those cute upturned noses
Also never slayed one with one of those thin bridged noses, I spoke to a JB last year who had one, it set her apart from the rest of the JBs she was with

 

[Tallooksmaxxer]

fucking jannies man...

whats next? am i going to get banned for hate crimes against lgbt community?

 

[Korea]

fucking jannies man...

whats next? am i going to get banned for hate crimes against lgbt community?

Now you know that video was a bit overboard .

 

[tyronelite]

The King never misses

 

[Tallooksmaxxer]

Now you know that video was a bit overboard .

i have certainly seen worst ones here

 

[Korea]

i have certainly seen worst ones here

In off topic

 

[AscendingHero]

Nasal Bones & Pyriform Aperture

Spoiler

Facial Gender Affirmation Surgery, An Issue of Facial Plastic Surgery Clinics of North America

Morphometric Study of Nasal Bone and Piriform Aperture in Human Dry Skull​

CT evaluation of the bony nasal pyramid dimensions​

Nasal Skin

Spoiler

Nasal Skin Thickness Measurements Using Computed Tomography in an Adult Saudi Population​

Male versus female skin: What dermatologists and cosmeticians should know​

Nasal Size
View attachment 1699176

Essentials of Facial Growth, by Enlow & Hans

Why?

Spoiler: More Info

Essentials of Facial Growth, by Enlow & Hans

Naini

Thieme E-Journals - Facial Plastic Surgery / Full Text​

Ontogenetic scaling of the human nose in a longitudinal sample: implications for genus Homo facial evolution - PubMed​

The ontogeny of nasal shape: An analysis of sexual dimorphism in a longitudinal sample - PubMed​

(PDF) 3D ANALYSIS OF SEXUAL DIMORPHISM IN THE NASAL CAVITY OF MODERN HUMANS​

Are gender differences in external noses caused by differences in nasal septal growth? - PubMed​

Adolescent growth patterns of the bony and cartilaginous framework of the nose: a cephalometric study - PubMed​

Nasal Dorsal Contour
View attachment 1699191
*Note how the cartoon depicts the differences in male and female nasal dorsal contour
View attachment 1699194
A line drawn from nasion (N′) to the nasal tip (pronasale, Prn) forms the nasal dorsal line.
The contour of the nasal dorsum and dorsal line (N′- Prn) may be straight, convex or concave.
In men, the dorsum is approximately on the dorsal line. In women, the nasal dorsum may be up to 2 mm basal and parallel to the dorsal line.

Males
View attachment 1699196
Researchgate

Essentials of Facial Growth, by Enlow & Hans

Why are there multiple variations in male nasal configuration?

Spoiler

The reason for the multiple male variations in nasal configuration lies in the more protuberant nature of the whole nasal region. Both
the upper and lower parts of the whole external nose are protrusive, but
the lower part can be constrained to a degree by the septopremaxillary
ligament, palate, and maxillary arch. The contour of the nose thus "rotates"; it either ''bends'' to give an aquiline configuration or rotates into a
straight, but more vertical, alignment.

Females
View attachment 1699204
Researchgate

Essentials of Facial Growth, by Enlow & Hans



Nasal Base Inclination
View attachment 1699225
The intersection of a line through the
most anterior and posterior edges of the nostril with a true
vertical line through subnasale. Some authorities refer to
this measurement as the ‘nasolabial angle ’or ‘columella
inclination’, both of which are inaccurate as the upper lip
and columella are not involved in the measurement.
Normal values are:
• Male: 90 – 95 °.
• Female: 95 – 105 °
View attachment 1699226
*Note how cartoons once again highlight the differences in male and female nasal base inclination

Males
View attachment 1699228
Females
View attachment 1699229
What influences the nasal base inclination?
View attachment 1699231
As you can see the direction of the anterior nasal spine influences the nasal base inclination.


Nasal Tip
Essentials of Facial Growth, by Enlow & Hans


Males
View attachment 1699234
Females
View attachment 1699236


Supra-tip Break
The supratip break or depression is a subtle dorsal
depression formed by the convexity of the cephalic edges of the lateral crura as they diverge superolaterally over the cartilaginous nasal dorsum, higher than the nasal septum. It is a slight depression that exists on the aesthetic nose and helps to distinguish the dorsum from the tip; it is often more pronounced in the female.
View attachment 1699309
The supratip is the part of the nose where the inferior region of the nasal dorsum meets the tip of the nose, a supratip break is present when there is a variation in height between the nasal tip and the adjacent nasal bridge.
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Nasion Level
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Males
View attachment 1699262
Men tend to have higher nasion levels (ideally above the mid-pupil) than women due the sex/gender differences in both the nasal bones and nasal aperture.
Essentials of Facial Growth, by Enlow & Hans

Facial Gender Affirmation Surgery, An Issue of Facial Plastic Surgery Clinics of North America

Females
View attachment 1699263
Females tend to have nasion levels around the mid-pupil or lower.


Nasion Height
View attachment 1699244
Sexual Dimorphism in the Nose Morphotype



@bogii @Pendejo @forwardgrowth @Bobelbrah

I've been waiting for this banger for years and you kept on your word of delivering this thread back in 2020

Thxs for this OP

I love these types of informative threads

I also highly recommend everyone to read Essentials of Facial growth by Enlow and Hans ASAP

 

[tyronelite]

In off topic

@omqwaider778 wants a rating by you

He can’t message u so I’m forwarding the message

 

[Korea]

@omqwaider778 wants a rating by you

He can’t message u so I’m forwarding the message

I retired.

I rapidly became the forum's counselor for BDD and I didn't sign up for that jfl.

 

[tyronelite]

I retired.

I rapidly became the forum's counselor for BDD and I didn't sign up for that jfl.

Goddamn lmaoo

 

[AscendingHero]

Mirin this trend of you using cartoons in your threads and post to better illustrate this point

Comics are incredibly blackpilled and what better way to depict a point than this

We gotta get more authors on this forum using such in their threads ngl

Respect

 

[Deleted]

This is ideal though

 

[Deleted member 16371]

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This is ideal though

“my nose is bigger than most peoples skull”- Arvid Gustavson,2022

 

[Manu le coq]

Stfu you disgusting piece of shit kys

 

[Deleted member 7098]

High-IQ post, should be bookmarked for anyone looking to get a rhino, as to know what you should strive for and more importantly what you should avoid in order to not look like a gay-boy after surgery

forgot to tag @

@VeryFuglyNiyguhs

Also didn‘t tag me and my crooked-nose

 

[AscendingHero]

OP thoughts on noses with very prominent dorsums (nasal bridges) with deep set prominent infra glabellar notches but with the nasolobial a bit on the higher side +very sharp nose (little bolbousity)

Examples:

---

Secondly what are your views on the forward grown vs recessed forehead thing? I would love for you to make a thread on the ideal upper third in males with studies backing it up with the technical terminology.

What's the difference in this forehead vs this one
​

Forward Grown Square Androgenc Foreheads

VS "Recessed" Foreheads

Like this one even has a very strong browridge but his frontal bone is not nearly as aesthetic

Lack of glabellar bossing at all just makes it even look more juvenile and neotenous

Morph courtesy of @StrangerDanger

vs

@Kingkellz you also made a good Nessman morph on it too

vs

​

Spoiler: Unrelated but David Gandy with a straighter nose bridge

 

[MaxillaMaxing]

OP thoughts on nose with very prominent dorsums (nasal bridges) with deep set prominent infra glabellar notches but with the nasolobial a bit on the higher side +very sharp nose (little bolbousity)

Examples:
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---

Secondly what are your views on the forward grown vs recessed forehead thing? I would love for you to make a thread on the ideal upper third in males with studies backing it up with the technical terminology.

What's the difference in this forehead vs this one
​

Forward Grown Square Androgenc Foreheads
View attachment 1699395View attachment 1699396

View attachment 1699402View attachment 1699407View attachment 1699414View attachment 1699419View attachment 1699420View attachment 1699421View attachment 1699422View attachment 1699423View attachment 1699431View attachment 1699432
VS "Recessed" Foreheads

Like this one even has a very strong browridge but his frontal bone is not nearly as aesthetic
View attachment 1699425
Lack of glabellar bossing at all just makes it even look more juvenile and neotenous
View attachment 1699426View attachment 1699427

Morph courtesy of @StrangerDanger
View attachment 1699400 vs View attachment 1699408

@Kingkellz you also made a good Nessman morph on it too
View attachment 1699415 vs View attachment 1699416​

Spoiler: Unrelated but David Gandy with a straighter nose bridge

View attachment 1699380View attachment 1699381

But you did ben Simmons dirty .

 

[StrangerDanger]

OP thoughts on nose with very prominent dorsums (nasal bridges) with deep set prominent infra glabellar notches but with the nasolobial a bit on the higher side +very sharp nose (little bolbousity)

Examples:
View attachment 1699383View attachment 1699385View attachment 1699409View attachment 1699412

---

Secondly what are your views on the forward grown vs recessed forehead thing? I would love for you to make a thread on the ideal upper third in males with studies backing it up with the technical terminology.

What's the difference in this forehead vs this one
​

Forward Grown Square Androgenc Foreheads
View attachment 1699395View attachment 1699396

View attachment 1699402View attachment 1699407View attachment 1699414View attachment 1699419View attachment 1699420View attachment 1699421View attachment 1699422View attachment 1699423View attachment 1699431View attachment 1699432
VS "Recessed" Foreheads

Like this one even has a very strong browridge but his frontal bone is not nearly as aesthetic
View attachment 1699425
Lack of glabellar bossing at all just makes it even look more juvenile and neotenous
View attachment 1699426View attachment 1699427

Morph courtesy of @StrangerDanger
View attachment 1699400 vs View attachment 1699408

@Kingkellz you also made a good Nessman morph on it too
View attachment 1699415 vs View attachment 1699416​

Spoiler: Unrelated but David Gandy with a straighter nose bridge

View attachment 1699380View attachment 1699381

Extremely blackpilled knowledge

 

[Deleted member 16371]

Extremely blackpilled knowledge

You learnt that from someone else lol don’t act like your the one that first found this knowledge

 

[StrangerDanger]

Morph courtesy of @StrangerDanger
View attachment 1699400 vs View attachment 1699408​

Though this morph looks like shit cause the browridge is too high-set and too much of a nasofrontal gap but anyway I suppose it illustrates the point of a recessed vs forward grown forehead

 

[VeryFuglyNiyguhs]

OP thoughts on nose with very prominent dorsums (nasal bridges) with deep set prominent infra glabellar notches but with the nasolobial a bit on the higher side +very sharp nose (little bolbousity)

Examples:
View attachment 1699383View attachment 1699385View attachment 1699409View attachment 1699412

---

Secondly what are your views on the forward grown vs recessed forehead thing? I would love for you to make a thread on the ideal upper third in males with studies backing it up with the technical terminology.

What's the difference in this forehead vs this one
​

Forward Grown Square Androgenc Foreheads
View attachment 1699395View attachment 1699396

View attachment 1699402View attachment 1699407View attachment 1699414View attachment 1699419View attachment 1699420View attachment 1699421View attachment 1699422View attachment 1699423View attachment 1699431View attachment 1699432
VS "Recessed" Foreheads

Like this one even has a very strong browridge but his frontal bone is not nearly as aesthetic
View attachment 1699425
Lack of glabellar bossing at all just makes it even look more juvenile and neotenous
View attachment 1699426View attachment 1699427

Morph courtesy of @StrangerDanger
View attachment 1699400 vs View attachment 1699408

@Kingkellz you also made a good Nessman morph on it too
View attachment 1699415 vs View attachment 1699416​

Spoiler: Unrelated but David Gandy with a straighter nose bridge

View attachment 1699380View attachment 1699381

My dad's nose and brow ridge mog oni and akuma.

 

[StrangerDanger]

You learnt that from someone else lol don’t act like your the one that first found this knowledge

yh @reptiles taught me about it. I saw him mentioning recessed foreheads a year ago or so and had no clue what it meant back then so he showed me one example and since then I've been on the lookout

 

[racoon4]

it turns out I have a womans nose. giga ovER for me

 

[Prettyboy]

I've been waiting for this banger for years and you kept on your word of delivering this thread back in 2020

Thxs for this OP

I love these types of informative threads

I also highly recommend everyone to read Essentials of Facial growth by Enlow and Hans ASAP

+1, love to read Kingkellz’ threads, they are one of the most informative content on this website

 

[Gestapo]

i have certainly seen worst ones here

Retards like you should stick to the off topic section

 

[Bobelbrah]

BOTB tier thread tbh. Now, on to the discussion:

Nasal Base Inclination

The intersection of a line through the
most anterior and posterior edges of the nostril with a true
vertical line through subnasale. Some authorities refer to
this measurement as the ‘nasolabial angle ’or ‘columella
inclination’, both of which are inaccurate as the upper lip
and columella are not involved in the measurement.
Normal values are:
• Male: 90 – 95 °.
• Female: 95 – 105 °

*Note how cartoons once again highlight the differences in male and female nasal base inclination

Males

Females

What influences the nasal base inclination?

As you can see the direction of the anterior nasal spine influences the nasal base inclination.

It wasn't as clear in this section as in the rest of the post, but I assume that you intended to show that nasal base inclination is part of human dimorphism(correct me if I am wrong here). While this maybe could be true to some extent, I can't stop wondering if part of this apparent dimorphism is exaggerated due to craniofacial dystrophy. This seems to be quite apparent if you look at the last picture in the quote.

OP thoughts on nose with very prominent dorsums (nasal bridges) with deep set prominent infra glabellar notches but with the nasolobial a bit on the higher side +very sharp nose (little bolbousity)

Examples:
View attachment 1699383View attachment 1699385View attachment 1699409View attachment 1699412

@AscendingHero brings up the kind of nose I had in mind when I made my own thread yesterday. I think they do give off a sense of dimorphism(although pic 2 looks quite feminine), despite have a high nasal base inclination.

 

[Deleted member 16058]

@Kingkellz can you look at mine?

reply if you can and I'll pm you profile.

 

[CristianT]

Nasal Bones & Pyriform Aperture

Spoiler

Facial Gender Affirmation Surgery, An Issue of Facial Plastic Surgery Clinics of North America

Morphometric Study of Nasal Bone and Piriform Aperture in Human Dry Skull​

CT evaluation of the bony nasal pyramid dimensions​

Nasal Skin

Spoiler

Nasal Skin Thickness Measurements Using Computed Tomography in an Adult Saudi Population​

Male versus female skin: What dermatologists and cosmeticians should know​

Nasal Size
View attachment 1699176

Essentials of Facial Growth, by Enlow & Hans

Why?

Spoiler: More Info

Essentials of Facial Growth, by Enlow & Hans

Naini

Thieme E-Journals - Facial Plastic Surgery / Full Text​

Ontogenetic scaling of the human nose in a longitudinal sample: implications for genus Homo facial evolution - PubMed​

The ontogeny of nasal shape: An analysis of sexual dimorphism in a longitudinal sample - PubMed​

(PDF) 3D ANALYSIS OF SEXUAL DIMORPHISM IN THE NASAL CAVITY OF MODERN HUMANS​

Are gender differences in external noses caused by differences in nasal septal growth? - PubMed​

Adolescent growth patterns of the bony and cartilaginous framework of the nose: a cephalometric study - PubMed​

Nasal Dorsal Contour
View attachment 1699191
*Note how the cartoon depicts the differences in male and female nasal dorsal contour
View attachment 1699194
A line drawn from nasion (N′) to the nasal tip (pronasale, Prn) forms the nasal dorsal line.
The contour of the nasal dorsum and dorsal line (N′- Prn) may be straight, convex or concave.
In men, the dorsum is approximately on the dorsal line. In women, the nasal dorsum may be up to 2 mm basal and parallel to the dorsal line.

Males
View attachment 1699196
Researchgate

Essentials of Facial Growth, by Enlow & Hans

Why are there multiple variations in male nasal configuration?

Spoiler

The reason for the multiple male variations in nasal configuration lies in the more protuberant nature of the whole nasal region. Both
the upper and lower parts of the whole external nose are protrusive, but
the lower part can be constrained to a degree by the septopremaxillary
ligament, palate, and maxillary arch. The contour of the nose thus "rotates"; it either ''bends'' to give an aquiline configuration or rotates into a
straight, but more vertical, alignment.

Females
View attachment 1699204
Researchgate

Essentials of Facial Growth, by Enlow & Hans



Nasal Base Inclination
View attachment 1699225
The intersection of a line through the
most anterior and posterior edges of the nostril with a true
vertical line through subnasale. Some authorities refer to
this measurement as the ‘nasolabial angle ’or ‘columella
inclination’, both of which are inaccurate as the upper lip
and columella are not involved in the measurement.
Normal values are:
• Male: 90 – 95 °.
• Female: 95 – 105 °
View attachment 1699226
*Note how cartoons once again highlight the differences in male and female nasal base inclination

Males
View attachment 1699228
Females
View attachment 1699229
What influences the nasal base inclination?
View attachment 1699231
As you can see the direction of the anterior nasal spine influences the nasal base inclination.


Nasal Tip
Essentials of Facial Growth, by Enlow & Hans


Males
View attachment 1699234
Females
View attachment 1699236


Supra-tip Break
The supratip break or depression is a subtle dorsal
depression formed by the convexity of the cephalic edges of the lateral crura as they diverge superolaterally over the cartilaginous nasal dorsum, higher than the nasal septum. It is a slight depression that exists on the aesthetic nose and helps to distinguish the dorsum from the tip; it is often more pronounced in the female.
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The supratip is the part of the nose where the inferior region of the nasal dorsum meets the tip of the nose, a supratip break is present when there is a variation in height between the nasal tip and the adjacent nasal bridge.
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Nasion Level
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Males
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Men tend to have higher nasion levels (ideally above the mid-pupil) than women due the sex/gender differences in both the nasal bones and nasal aperture.
Essentials of Facial Growth, by Enlow & Hans

Facial Gender Affirmation Surgery, An Issue of Facial Plastic Surgery Clinics of North America

Females
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Females tend to have nasion levels around the mid-pupil or lower.


Nasion Height
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Sexual Dimorphism in the Nose Morphotype



@bogii @Pendejo @forwardgrowth @Bobelbrah

Its most of the underrated features. You can have a chad jaw, but if this part of nose is very feminine than you are fucked.

 

[Tallooksmaxxer]

Retards like you should stick to the off topic section

butthurts like you should go back to reddit.

 

[Bobelbrah]

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He's obviosuly a gigamogger, but I don't think his nose is ideal. I don't find his nostril shape appealing, and I don't like that his nasal bone sort of has a v-taper in the middle(peak autism point, I know already ).Overall, his nose still mogs most people on earth.

 

[Gestapo]

butthurts like you should go back to reddit.

It's only a matter of time until retards like you are exterminated from the gene pool I can't wait

 

[Tallooksmaxxer]

It's only a matter of time until retards like you are exterminated from the gene pool I can't wait

rentfree

 

[fuckedupmanlet]

Nasal Bones & Pyriform Aperture

Spoiler

Facial Gender Affirmation Surgery, An Issue of Facial Plastic Surgery Clinics of North America

Morphometric Study of Nasal Bone and Piriform Aperture in Human Dry Skull​

CT evaluation of the bony nasal pyramid dimensions​

Nasal Skin

Spoiler

Nasal Skin Thickness Measurements Using Computed Tomography in an Adult Saudi Population​

Male versus female skin: What dermatologists and cosmeticians should know​

Nasal Size
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Essentials of Facial Growth, by Enlow & Hans

Why?

Spoiler: More Info

Essentials of Facial Growth, by Enlow & Hans

Naini

Thieme E-Journals - Facial Plastic Surgery / Full Text​

Ontogenetic scaling of the human nose in a longitudinal sample: implications for genus Homo facial evolution - PubMed​

The ontogeny of nasal shape: An analysis of sexual dimorphism in a longitudinal sample - PubMed​

(PDF) 3D ANALYSIS OF SEXUAL DIMORPHISM IN THE NASAL CAVITY OF MODERN HUMANS​

Are gender differences in external noses caused by differences in nasal septal growth? - PubMed​

Adolescent growth patterns of the bony and cartilaginous framework of the nose: a cephalometric study - PubMed​

Nasal Dorsal Contour
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*Note how the cartoon depicts the differences in male and female nasal dorsal contour
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A line drawn from nasion (N′) to the nasal tip (pronasale, Prn) forms the nasal dorsal line.
The contour of the nasal dorsum and dorsal line (N′- Prn) may be straight, convex or concave.
In men, the dorsum is approximately on the dorsal line. In women, the nasal dorsum may be up to 2 mm basal and parallel to the dorsal line.

Males
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Researchgate

Essentials of Facial Growth, by Enlow & Hans

Why are there multiple variations in male nasal configuration?

Spoiler

The reason for the multiple male variations in nasal configuration lies in the more protuberant nature of the whole nasal region. Both
the upper and lower parts of the whole external nose are protrusive, but
the lower part can be constrained to a degree by the septopremaxillary
ligament, palate, and maxillary arch. The contour of the nose thus "rotates"; it either ''bends'' to give an aquiline configuration or rotates into a
straight, but more vertical, alignment.

Females
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Researchgate

Essentials of Facial Growth, by Enlow & Hans



Nasal Base Inclination
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The intersection of a line through the
most anterior and posterior edges of the nostril with a true
vertical line through subnasale. Some authorities refer to
this measurement as the ‘nasolabial angle ’or ‘columella
inclination’, both of which are inaccurate as the upper lip
and columella are not involved in the measurement.
Normal values are:
• Male: 90 – 95 °.
• Female: 95 – 105 °
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*Note how cartoons once again highlight the differences in male and female nasal base inclination

Males
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Females
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What influences the nasal base inclination?
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As you can see the direction of the anterior nasal spine influences the nasal base inclination.


Nasal Tip
Essentials of Facial Growth, by Enlow & Hans


Males
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Females
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Supra-tip Break
The supratip break or depression is a subtle dorsal
depression formed by the convexity of the cephalic edges of the lateral crura as they diverge superolaterally over the cartilaginous nasal dorsum, higher than the nasal septum. It is a slight depression that exists on the aesthetic nose and helps to distinguish the dorsum from the tip; it is often more pronounced in the female.
View attachment 1699309
The supratip is the part of the nose where the inferior region of the nasal dorsum meets the tip of the nose, a supratip break is present when there is a variation in height between the nasal tip and the adjacent nasal bridge.
View attachment 1699310



Nasion Level
View attachment 1699257

Males
View attachment 1699262
Men tend to have higher nasion levels (ideally above the mid-pupil) than women due the sex/gender differences in both the nasal bones and nasal aperture.
Essentials of Facial Growth, by Enlow & Hans

Facial Gender Affirmation Surgery, An Issue of Facial Plastic Surgery Clinics of North America

Females
View attachment 1699263
Females tend to have nasion levels around the mid-pupil or lower.


Nasion Height
View attachment 1699244
Sexual Dimorphism in the Nose Morphotype



@bogii @Pendejo @forwardgrowth @Bobelbrah

Very high effort thread, bookmarked.

 

[Deleted member 2729]

OP can you rate my surgery plan regarding nose changes from trimax?

 

[incel194012940]

Supra-tip Break
The supratip break or depression is a subtle dorsal
depression formed by the convexity of the cephalic edges of the lateral crura as they diverge superolaterally over the cartilaginous nasal dorsum, higher than the nasal septum. It is a slight depression that exists on the aesthetic nose and helps to distinguish the dorsum from the tip; it is often more pronounced in the female.
View attachment 1699309
The supratip is the part of the nose where the inferior region of the nasal dorsum meets the tip of the nose, a supratip break is present when there is a variation in height between the nasal tip and the adjacent nasal bridge.
View attachment 1699310

Never heard of this part before. Fogger af . I've seen loads of korean men with this they're buying female noses jfl.


Differences in nasion height make me question it's validity as a reference point for a lot of bro science ratio's people throw around. Facial height/compactness, and especially the FaceandLMS meme about measuring recession in reference to nasion projection. (Not to say the relationship between nasion and lower 3rd isn't of value).

This pic shows dimorphic differences in the nose itself, tho her midface region is masculine af. Maxilla just as important in dimorphism as nose. I get why it wouldn't be right to put it in the nose thread tho.

I suspect many of these nose differences stem from a more projected maxilla.

Nasal Dorsal Contour + Upturning of the nose

Lefort I, moving the lower but not the upper nose forward.

Male with very forward grown maxilla
(maybe that's why he's a fag?)

I suspect there's an ideal relation between nasal dorsal contour and cheek line contour tho no clue what it is.

Definitely associated with the relationship of the paranasal base to the lips, look at anime, where the nose is usually represented with just the bridge and nostril, and women always have markedly more forward nostrils.

Any bimax cels that play with the CT scans, that know about maxilla, I've been wondering abt those folds between the cheekbone and nose and how they're connected with the bones.

I notice a lot of english girls have recessed maxillas? Almost seems like a phenotypic trait of some parts of the countryside. Most people would call them "mouth breathers" even tho it's location based and doesn't seem associated with recessed lower thirds.
Totally repulsive , I've never seen a NCT white english girl with a forward maxilla.

VS "Recessed" Foreheads

Like this one even has a very strong browridge but his frontal bone is not nearly as aesthetic
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Lack of glabellar bossing at all just makes it even look more juvenile and neotenous
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Aren't these the examples from the threads @thecel makes about brachycephaly? Not gandy tho, im guessing its in relation to the eye there.

I bet they would look retarded with forward grown foreheads. I see megamind-looking ppl like that sometimes, frontal bone way too big for their maxilla, even worse with no-glabella rounding. Legit need lefort 3. Like reiner the mulatto guy from here.

Good thread, I downloaded a copy of essentials of facial growth.

 

[PubertyMaxxer]

How can I make my feminine nose masc? Nose implants, since i need to add mass?

 

[PubertyMaxxer]

@Kingkellz thoughts on just his nose? Ideal masc?

 

[KDA Player]

Very good thread, I always found the tip attractive on women, but not that much on men.

 

[Kingkellz]

How can I make my feminine nose masc? Nose implants, since i need to add mass?

Nasal tip derotation, maybe radix implant or fillers near radix and/or keystone region

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@Kingkellz thoughts on just his nose? Ideal masc?

good from the front but not so much from the side, his nose and browridge project very little from the side almost gook tier

 

[Deleted member 16380]

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@Kingkellz thoughts on just his nose? Ideal masc?

Bridge a little too low to be a "perfect masc" nose. It is not strong enough IMO.

 

[KDA Player]

>literally admits bisexual tendencies

Should have say good looking instead of attractive.

 

[AscendingHero]

OP thoughts on nose with very prominent dorsums (nasal bridges) with deep set prominent infra glabellar notches but with the nasolobial a bit on the higher side +very sharp nose (little bolbousity)

Examples:
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Secondly what are your views on the forward grown vs recessed forehead thing? I would love for you to make a thread on the ideal upper third in males with studies backing it up with the technical terminology.

What's the difference in this forehead vs this one
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Forward Grown Square Androgenc Foreheads
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VS "Recessed" Foreheads

Like this one even has a very strong browridge but his frontal bone is not nearly as aesthetic
View attachment 1699425
Lack of glabellar bossing at all just makes it even look more juvenile and neotenous
View attachment 1699426View attachment 1699427

Morph courtesy of @StrangerDanger
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@Kingkellz you also made a good Nessman morph on it too
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Spoiler: Unrelated but David Gandy with a straighter nose bridge

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@Kingkellz I know you're a busy man but can you enlighten me bro.

Never heard of this part before. Fogger af . I've seen loads of korean men with this they're buying female noses jfl.


Differences in nasion height make me question it's validity as a reference point for a lot of bro science ratio's people throw around. Facial height/compactness, and especially the FaceandLMS meme about measuring recession in reference to nasion projection. (Not to say the relationship between nasion and lower 3rd isn't of value).

View attachment 1701149

This pic shows dimorphic differences in the nose itself, tho her midface region is masculine af. Maxilla just as important in dimorphism as nose. I get why it wouldn't be right to put it in the nose thread tho.

I suspect many of these nose differences stem from a more projected maxilla.

Nasal Dorsal Contour + Upturning of the nose

View attachment 1701187View attachment 1701188

Lefort I, moving the lower but not the upper nose forward.


View attachment 1701186
Male with very forward grown maxilla
(maybe that's why he's a fag?)

I suspect there's an ideal relation between nasal dorsal contour and cheek line contour tho no clue what it is.

Definitely associated with the relationship of the paranasal base to the lips, look at anime, where the nose is usually represented with just the bridge and nostril, and women always have markedly more forward nostrils.

Any bimax cels that play with the CT scans, that know about maxilla, I've been wondering abt those folds between the cheekbone and nose and how they're connected with the bones.

I notice a lot of english girls have recessed maxillas? Almost seems like a phenotypic trait of some parts of the countryside. Most people would call them "mouth breathers" even tho it's location based and doesn't seem associated with recessed lower thirds.
Totally repulsive , I've never seen a NCT white english girl with a forward maxilla.



Aren't these the examples from the threads @thecel makes about brachycephaly? Not gandy tho, im guessing its in relation to the eye there.

I bet they would look retarded with forward grown foreheads. I see megamind-looking ppl like that sometimes, frontal bone way too big for their maxilla, even worse with no-glabella rounding. Legit need lefort 3. Like reiner the mulatto guy from here.

Good thread, I downloaded a copy of essentials of facial growth.

Also this too

 

[chaddyboi66]

Jfl booked first thing when I saw how long this shit was



[ISPOILER] [/ISPOILER]

 

[Deleted member 16275]

Nose is everything tbh, thx for making the thread

 

[Cuervo]

I do have a slightly big nose but good harmony so nobody notices it. Harmony saves both men and women

 

[enchanted_elixir]

I've been waiting for this banger for years and you kept on your word of delivering this thread back in 2020

Thxs for this OP

I love these types of informative threads

I also highly recommend everyone to read Essentials of Facial growth by Enlow and Hans ASAP

Send it to me please, I need it.

 

[Deleted member 17791]

OP thoughts on nose with very prominent dorsums (nasal bridges) with deep set prominent infra glabellar notches but with the nasolobial a bit on the higher side +very sharp nose (little bolbousity)

Examples:
View attachment 1699383View attachment 1699385View attachment 1699409View attachment 1699412

---

Secondly what are your views on the forward grown vs recessed forehead thing? I would love for you to make a thread on the ideal upper third in males with studies backing it up with the technical terminology.

What's the difference in this forehead vs this one
​

Forward Grown Square Androgenc Foreheads
View attachment 1699395View attachment 1699396

View attachment 1699402View attachment 1699407View attachment 1699414View attachment 1699419View attachment 1699420View attachment 1699421View attachment 1699422View attachment 1699423View attachment 1699431View attachment 1699432
VS "Recessed" Foreheads

Like this one even has a very strong browridge but his frontal bone is not nearly as aesthetic
View attachment 1699425
Lack of glabellar bossing at all just makes it even look more juvenile and neotenous
View attachment 1699426View attachment 1699427

Morph courtesy of @StrangerDanger
View attachment 1699400 vs View attachment 1699408

@Kingkellz you also made a good Nessman morph on it too
View attachment 1699415 vs View attachment 1699416​

Spoiler: Unrelated but David Gandy with a straighter nose bridge

View attachment 1699380View attachment 1699381

Sloped foreheads look subhuman. Jfl at being a slopey.