Mark 4:10-12 proves Jesus was a evil person

[ngannou]

The pedophile stuff has also been long debunked. Ive also made a thread on it you can debate me on it in pms. Btw you shouldn’t have a problem, given the sources for Mary being impregnated at 11 are equally as historically reliable, and your own scripture has verses where god tells Moses to take little girls as rape slaves.

Debunking the myth of Aisha being 9 (Muslims GTFIH)

I keep seeing it all the time here, and I don’t know how this hasn’t been debunked on this forum yet given how comically broken it is. You guys need to stop getting information off of muslim apologetics on YouTube as no respectable non-schizo traditionalist scholar upholds this narrative (if...

looksmax.org

Your debunk is debunked.

 

[Ghoulish]

Fill me in what is this guy's belief?

He thinks Muslims believe the bible are unchanged because of the verse where Allah says the Quran will be preserved

Then thinks Islam is pagan and that Muhammad SAW was possessed (both impossible according to Christian logic) and that a cube has 6 triangles

 

[yandex99]

He thinks Muslims believe the bible are unchanged because of the verse where Allah says the Quran will be preserved

Then thinks Islam is pagan and that Muhammad SAW was possessed (both impossible according to Christian logic) and that a cube has 6 triangles

The Quran is more evil than the Bible with its idea of qadr

 

[ngannou]

No there is truth in the old testament. What's your belief again?

If old testament is true then New testament is true which makes quran a lie
by the way

Islam is a pagan religion(baal) integrated with abrahamic religion
which was created by muhammad who claims he got revelation angel Gabriel
which is actually Satan disguised as angel of light.

2 Corinthians 11:14-15​

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14 And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. 15 So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds.
Galatians 1:8

New International Version
But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse!

 

[Ghoulish]

Your debunk is debunked.

Yeah I answered everything in that video, and so have many other people.

The Hadith about her age was narrated by a 71 year old with Alzheimer’s at the time he narrated it, and goes against other historical records of her being 19 AND goes against Islamic teachings AND is illogically impossible given that she was healing soldiers and carrying heavy buckets of water on the battlefield of badr with other full grown women, in line of danger, and that she was even allowed on the field in the first place, at 9 years old.

 

[Ghoulish]

If old testament is true then New testament is true which makes quran a lie
by the way

Islam is a pagan religion(baal) integrated with abrahamic religion
which was created by muhammad who claims he got revelation angel Gabriel
which is actually Satan disguised as angel of light.

2 Corinthians 11:14-15​

English Standard Version​

14 And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. 15 So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds.
Galatians 1:8

New International Version
But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse!

@Noesis ive debunked this point dont bother with this regurgitating fool.

 

[ngannou]

Yeah I answered everything in that video, and so have many other people.

The Hadith about her age was narrated by a 71 year old with Alzheimer’s at the time he narrated it, and goes against other historical records of her being 19 AND goes against Islamic teachings AND is illogically impossible given that she was healing soldiers and carrying heavy buckets of water on the battlefield of badr with other full grown women, in line of danger, and that she was even allowed on the field in the first place, at 9 years old.

Cope even your scholars admit

 

[ngannou]

@Noesis ive debunked this point dont bother with this regurgitating fool.

No you did not debunked he admits the old testament is true which old testament proves the new testament nor quran
@Noesis

By the way the jewish kaballah occult black cube = the mecca = Star of Remphan = The symbol of cube of satan = The saturn pagan god.

 

[yandex99]

No you did not debunked he admits the old testament is true which old testament proves the new testament nor quran
@Noesis

By the way the jewish black cube = the mecca = Star of Remphan = The symbol of cube of satan = The saturn god.

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The cross is a unfolded cube bro you're in on this too

 

[Noesis]

No you did not debunked he admits the old testament is true which old testament proves the new testament nor quran
@Noesis

By the way the jewish black cube = the mecca = Star of Remphan = The symbol of cube of satan = The saturn god.

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You expect me to anwser you when you're obviously trolling?

 

[ngannou]

The cross is a unfolded cube bro you're in on this too

No cross was a famous execution during the romes which is a historical fact that Jesus died on the cross.

And you can unfold with various shapes with cube not only cross

so really doesn't prove it. I just bring those picture because it exposes islam

 

[ngannou]

You expect me to anwser you when you're obviously trolling?

No all the prophecies and the shadows of the Old Testament points to the Jesus Christ mentioned in the New Testament but contradicts quran,

 

[ngannou]

The cross is a unfolded cube bro you're in on this too

Also all other planets have cross on their symbol in greek symbol

 

[ngannou]

The cross is a unfolded cube bro you're in on this too

By the way what is your faith are you athiest???

month ago you said islam is truth but now you say quran is evil.

 

[Noesis]

No all the prophecies and the shadows of the Old Testament points to the Jesus Christ mentioned in the New Testament but contradicts quran,

I'll give you one chance to provide me with a prophecy about Christ's nature that's contrary to the Qur'an and if I disprove it I'll stop bothering with you

 

[ngannou]

I'll give you one chance to provide me with a prophecy about Christ's nature that's contrary to the Qur'an and if I disprove it I'll stop bothering with you

Not a prophecy but revelation to the prophet Daniel

focus on the Being Daniel saw.
@Ghoulish

Daniel 10​

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Daniel’s Vision of a Man​

10 In the third year of Cyrus king of Persia, a revelation was given to Daniel (who was called Belteshazzar). Its message was true and it concerned a great war.[a] The understanding of the message came to him in a vision.
2 At that time I, Daniel, mourned for three weeks. 3 I ate no choice food; no meat or wine touched my lips; and I used no lotions at all until the three weeks were over.
4 On the twenty-fourth day of the first month, as I was standing on the bank of the great river, the Tigris,
5 I looked up and there before me was a man dressed in linen, with a belt of fine gold from Uphaz around his waist.
6 His body was like topaz, his face like lightning, his eyes like flaming torches, his arms and legs like the gleam of burnished bronze, and his voice like the sound of a multitude.
7 I, Daniel, was the only one who saw the vision; those who were with me did not see it, but such terror overwhelmed them that they fled and hid themselves.
8 So I was left alone, gazing at this great vision; I had no strength left, my face turned deathly pale and I was helpless.
9 Then I heard him speaking, and as I listened to him, I fell into a deep sleep, my face to the ground.
10 A hand touched me and set me trembling on my hands and knees.
11 He said, “Daniel, you who are highly esteemed, consider carefully the words I am about to speak to you, and stand up, for I have now been sent to you.” And when he said this to me, I stood up trembling.
12 Then he continued, “Do not be afraid, Daniel. Since the first day that you set your mind to gain understanding and to humble yourself before your God, your words were heard, and I have come in response to them.
13 But the prince of the Persian kingdom resisted me twenty-one days. Then Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, because I was detained there with the king of Persia.
14 Now I have come to explain to you what will happen to your people in the future, for the vision concerns a time yet to come.”
15 While he was saying this to me, I bowed with my face toward the ground and was speechless.
16 Then one who looked like a man[b] touched my lips, and I opened my mouth and began to speak. I said to the one standing before me, “I am overcome with anguish because of the vision, my Lord, and I feel very weak.
17 How can I, your servant, talk with you, my Lord? My strength is gone and I can hardly breathe.”
18 Again the one who looked like a man touched me and gave me strength.
19 “Do not be afraid, you who are highly esteemed,” he said. “Peace! Be strong now; be strong.”
When he spoke to me, I was strengthened and said, “Speak, my Lord, since you have given me strength.”
20 So he said, “Do you know why I have come to you? Soon I will return to fight against the prince of Persia, and when I go, the prince of Greece will come;
21 but first I will tell you what is written in the Book of Truth. (No one supports me against them except Michael, your prince.

 

[Ghoulish]

Not a prophecy but revelation to the prophet Daniel

focus on the Being Daniel saw.
@Ghoulish

Daniel 10​

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New International Version​

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Daniel’s Vision of a Man​

10 In the third year of Cyrus king of Persia, a revelation was given to Daniel (who was called Belteshazzar). Its message was true and it concerned a great war.[a] The understanding of the message came to him in a vision.
2 At that time I, Daniel, mourned for three weeks. 3 I ate no choice food; no meat or wine touched my lips; and I used no lotions at all until the three weeks were over.
4 On the twenty-fourth day of the first month, as I was standing on the bank of the great river, the Tigris,
5 I looked up and there before me was a man dressed in linen, with a belt of fine gold from Uphaz around his waist.
6 His body was like topaz, his face like lightning, his eyes like flaming torches, his arms and legs like the gleam of burnished bronze, and his voice like the sound of a multitude.
7 I, Daniel, was the only one who saw the vision; those who were with me did not see it, but such terror overwhelmed them that they fled and hid themselves.
8 So I was left alone, gazing at this great vision; I had no strength left, my face turned deathly pale and I was helpless.
9 Then I heard him speaking, and as I listened to him, I fell into a deep sleep, my face to the ground.
10 A hand touched me and set me trembling on my hands and knees.
11 He said, “Daniel, you who are highly esteemed, consider carefully the words I am about to speak to you, and stand up, for I have now been sent to you.” And when he said this to me, I stood up trembling.
12 Then he continued, “Do not be afraid, Daniel. Since the first day that you set your mind to gain understanding and to humble yourself before your God, your words were heard, and I have come in response to them.
13 But the prince of the Persian kingdom resisted me twenty-one days. Then Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, because I was detained there with the king of Persia.
14 Now I have come to explain to you what will happen to your people in the future, for the vision concerns a time yet to come.”
15 While he was saying this to me, I bowed with my face toward the ground and was speechless.
16 Then one who looked like a man[b] touched my lips, and I opened my mouth and began to speak. I said to the one standing before me, “I am overcome with anguish because of the vision, my Lord, and I feel very weak.
17 How can I, your servant, talk with you, my Lord? My strength is gone and I can hardly breathe.”
18 Again the one who looked like a man touched me and gave me strength.
19 “Do not be afraid, you who are highly esteemed,” he said. “Peace! Be strong now; be strong.”
When he spoke to me, I was strengthened and said, “Speak, my Lord, since you have given me strength.”
20 So he said, “Do you know why I have come to you? Soon I will return to fight against the prince of Persia, and when I go, the prince of Greece will come;
21 but first I will tell you what is written in the Book of Truth. (No one supports me against them except Michael, your prince.

@Noesis

You are interpreting this 'man' as Jesus, but the text itself argues against that.

1. The Being is Not Almighty God: The being says he was resisted for 21 days by the prince of Persia and needed help from the Archangel Michael. This is impossible for God. The Quran says, 'Indeed, Allah is the Prevailing and Exalted in Might, the Wise.' (Quran 9:40). God does not struggle and does not need an angel's help. This being is clearly a powerful creation of God—an angel.
2. This Vision Confirms the Quran, Not Contradicts It: Islam teaches that Allah sends mighty angels to reveal messages to His prophets. Daniel is a prophet. The Quran describes the Angel Gabriel (Jibril) in a similarly glorious light. This vision is a perfect example of that very process: a prophet receiving revelation from a magnificent angelic messenger.
3. Your Argument is Based on Interpretation, Not Fact: You are using a later Christian interpretation of this Old Testament text. The text itself identifies the being as a sent messenger engaged in spiritual warfare—the definition of an angel. The Islamic view accepts the text at face value, while the Christian view must explain why God needed to be rescued by Michael.

 

[ngannou]

@Noesis

You are interpreting this 'man' as Jesus, but the text itself argues against that.

1. The Being is Not Almighty God: The being says he was resisted for 21 days by the prince of Persia and needed help from the Archangel Michael. This is impossible for God. The Quran says, 'Indeed, Allah is the Prevailing and Exalted in Might, the Wise.' (Quran 9:40). God does not struggle and does not need an angel's help. This being is clearly a powerful creation of God—an angel.
2. This Vision Confirms the Quran, Not Contradicts It: Islam teaches that Allah sends mighty angels to reveal messages to His prophets. Daniel is a prophet. The Quran describes the Angel Gabriel (Jibril) in a similarly glorious light. This vision is a perfect example of that very process: a prophet receiving revelation from a magnificent angelic messenger.
3. Your Argument is Based on Interpretation, Not Fact: You are using a later Christian interpretation of this Old Testament text. The text itself identifies the being as a sent messenger engaged in spiritual warfare—the definition of an angel. The Islamic view accepts the text at face value, while the Christian view must explain why God needed to be rescued by Michael.

@Noesis
Just angel is not allowed to be called Lord and you shall not bow and worship other than God however if that is just an messenger or angel the angel would have stopped him from bowing to him.

Revelation 19:10​

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10 At this I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “Don’t do that! I am a fellow servant with you and with your brothers and sisters who hold to the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For it is the Spirit of prophecy who bears testimony to Jesus.”

Also look at this verse.


But Jacob replied, “I will not let you go unless you bless me.”

27 The man asked him, “What is your name?”

“Jacob,” he answered.

28 Then the man said, “Your name will no longer be Jacob, but Israel,[a] because you have struggled with God and with humans and have overcome.”

29 Jacob said, “Please tell me your name.”

But he replied, “Why do you ask my name?” Then he blessed him there.

30 So Jacob called the place Peniel,[b] saying, “It is because I saw God face to face, and yet my life was spared.”

God purposely give up on Jacob on wrestling does that mean he is not almighty??

Just because he got helped for a certain "purpose" doesn't mean he is not capable of doing it.

 

[ngannou]

@Noesis

You are interpreting this 'man' as Jesus, but the text itself argues against that.

1. The Being is Not Almighty God: The being says he was resisted for 21 days by the prince of Persia and needed help from the Archangel Michael. This is impossible for God. The Quran says, 'Indeed, Allah is the Prevailing and Exalted in Might, the Wise.' (Quran 9:40). God does not struggle and does not need an angel's help. This being is clearly a powerful creation of God—an angel.
2. This Vision Confirms the Quran, Not Contradicts It: Islam teaches that Allah sends mighty angels to reveal messages to His prophets. Daniel is a prophet. The Quran describes the Angel Gabriel (Jibril) in a similarly glorious light. This vision is a perfect example of that very process: a prophet receiving revelation from a magnificent angelic messenger.
3. Your Argument is Based on Interpretation, Not Fact: You are using a later Christian interpretation of this Old Testament text. The text itself identifies the being as a sent messenger engaged in spiritual warfare—the definition of an angel. The Islamic view accepts the text at face value, while the Christian view must explain why God needed to be rescued by Michael.

Also if you see the original Hebrew he never says he is uncapable, all he said is Michael is the only one who helps him

 

[sayso27]

I advise you to read it in its entirety

He basically intended to mislead others thru his parables so that they don't repent and be forgiven

you can cherry pick the bible to support any narrative, the goal is to take in the overall message of the bible and use it to guide you. Jesus preached empathy, caring for others, caring for the disadvantaged, redemption, collectivity etc. he is by no means evil when you look at his overall message

 

[Ghoulish]

No just angel is allowed to be called Lord and you shall not bow and worship other than God however if that is just an messenger or angel the angel would have stopped him from bowing to him.

This is factually incorrect according to the Bible itself. @GhostBoySwag @Noesis

• "Lord" (Adonai) is a Title of Respect, Not Just Divinity: In Hebrew, the word translated as "Lord" in Daniel 10:16-17 is אֲדֹנִי (adoni). This word, with this specific vowel pointing, is used over 100 times in the Old Testament to address human superiors or angels. It means "my lord," "master," or "sir." It is a title of respect.
  • Contrast this with אֲדֹנָי (Adonay), which is a specific title for God. Daniel uses the respectful adoni, not the divine Adonay.
  • Example: Abraham calls himself "lord" (adoni) to the Hittites (Gen 23:6). His servants call him "lord" (adoni). This is a term for a superior, not necessarily God.

Angels Do Accept Bowing/Prostration in the Bible: Your claim that "an angel would have stopped him" is directly contradicted by other passages. In the Bible, angels repeatedl accept acts of homage (proskynesis) that are meant for a superior being without correcting the person.

• Genesis 19:1: Lot saw two angels and "rose to meet them and bowed himself with his face to the earth." The angels did not stop him.
• Joshua 5:13-15: Joshua sees the "commander of the army of the Lord." Joshua falls on his face to worship and calls him "my lord" (adoni). The commander's response? "Take off your sandals from your feet, for the place where you are standing is holy." He does not say "Stop worshipping me!" He accepts the reverence as appropriate for a divine messenger delivering a holy message.

Daniel using "my lord" (adoni) is perfectly appropriate for addressing a superior angel. His reaction of bowing, being overwhelmed, and losing strength is a standard biblical response to a terrifying divine vision (cf. Ezekiel, Isaiah, John in Revelation). The angel in Daniel does not correct him because the respect is being given to a majestic messenger of God, which was acceptable in the context

God purposely give up on Jacob on wrestling does that mean he is not almighty??

This argument is a false equivalence. The nature of the two struggles is completely different.

In Genesis 32, it is a Purposeful, Symbolic Act: The being who wrestles Jacob is traditionally understood to be either God Himself or a theophany (an appearance of God). The entire event is symbolic and pedagogical. It is not a literal description of God's physical limitations.

The point is not a test of strength, but a test of Jacob's character. His name meant "deceiver," and he had struggled his whole life using his wits. Here, he is forced to "struggle with God" and persevere in faith to receive a blessing and a new identity, "Israel" (he who struggles with God).

In Daniel 10, it is a Literal Spiritual Battle: The angel is not holding back for a lesson. He is genuinely locked in a conflict with a demonic power (the "prince of Persia").
The Angel is Stymied: He is "detained" for 21 days. This is not a purposeful delay for teaching; it's an obstacle.

The word "detained" (Hebrew: niṯʿammadtī) means to be caused to stand, to be made to remain, or to be held back. This is not the language of a being who is merely accepting help from a colleague. This is the language of a being who is stymied, obstructed, and prevented from completing his mission.

Logical Conclusion: If he was not incapable of proceeding on his own, there would have been no reason for the 21-day delay. An all-powerful being would not be "detained" by anything. The very fact of a three-week standoff proves a limitation of power.

The angel states:

• "Then Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me."

The word "help" (Hebrew: lə·‘ezrō·wṯ) means to bring aid, to succor, to provide assistance to someone in need.

The angel concludes:

• "No one supports me against them except Michael, your prince."

This statement underscores his isolation and lack of resources. He is highlighting that in this cosmic conflict, his own power is not enough, and the only ally he has in this fight is Michael.

Logical Conclusion: An omnipotent being would not need "support" or be concerned about having only one ally. God is described throughout scripture as the commander of vast heavenly hosts (e.g., 2 Kings 6:17: "hills full of horses and chariots of fire"). If this were God, the statement would be nonsensical. The fact that he laments having only one supporter is a powerful testament to his created, non-omnipotent nature.

 

[ngannou]

This is factually incorrect according to the Bible itself. @GhostBoySwag @Noesis

• "Lord" (Adonai) is a Title of Respect, Not Just Divinity: In Hebrew, the word translated as "Lord" in Daniel 10:16-17 is אֲדֹנִי (adoni). This word, with this specific vowel pointing, is used over 100 times in the Old Testament to address human superiors or angels.It means "my lord," "master," or "sir." It is a title of respect.
  • Contrast this with אֲדֹנָי (Adonay), which is a specific title for God. Daniel uses the respectful adoni, not the divine Adonay.
  • Example: Abraham calls himself "lord" (adoni) to the Hittites (Gen 23:6). His servants call him "lord" (adoni). This is a term for a superior, not necessarily God.

Angels Do Accept Bowing/Prostration in the Bible: Your claim that "an angel would have stopped him" is directly contradicted by other passages. In the Bible, angels repeatedl accept acts of homage (proskynesis) that are meant for a superior being without correcting the person.

• Genesis 19:1: Lot saw two angels and "rose to meet them and bowed himself with his face to the earth." The angels did not stop him.
• Joshua 5:13-15: Joshua sees the "commander of the army of the Lord." Joshua falls on his face to worship and calls him "my lord" (adoni). The commander's response? "Take off your sandals from your feet, for the place where you are standing is holy." He does not say "Stop worshipping me!" He accepts the reverence as appropriate for a divine messenger delivering a holy message.

Daniel using "my lord" (adoni) is perfectly appropriate for addressing a superior angel. His reaction of bowing, being overwhelmed, and losing strength is a standard biblical response to a terrifying divine vision (cf. Ezekiel, Isaiah, John in Revelation). The angel in Daniel does not correct him because the respect is being given to a majestic messenger of God, which was acceptable in the context



This argument is a false equivalence. The nature of the two struggles is completely different.

In Genesis 32, it is a Purposeful, Symbolic Act: The being who wrestles Jacob is traditionally understood to be either God Himself or a theophany (an appearance of God). The entire event is symbolic and pedagogical. It is not a literal description of God's physical limitations.

The point is not a test of strength, but a test of Jacob's character. His name meant "deceiver," and he had struggled his whole life using his wits. Here, he is forced to "struggle with God" and persevere in faith to receive a blessing and a new identity, "Israel" (he who struggles with God).

In Daniel 10, it is a Literal Spiritual Battle: The angel is not holding back for a lesson. He is genuinely locked in a conflict with a demonic power (the "prince of Persia").
The Angel is Stymied: He is "detained" for 21 days. This is not a purposeful delay for teaching; it's an obstacle.

The word "detained" (Hebrew: niṯʿammadtī) means to be caused to stand, to be made to remain, or to be held back. This is not the language of a being who is merely accepting help from a colleague. This is the language of a being who is stymied, obstructed, and prevented from completing his mission.

Logical Conclusion: If he was not incapable of proceeding on his own, there would have been no reason for the 21-day delay. An all-powerful being would not be "detained" by anything. The very fact of a three-week standoff proves a limitation of power.

The angel states:

• "Then Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me."

The word "help" (Hebrew: lə·‘ezrō·wṯ) means to bring aid, to succor, to provide assistance to someone in need.

The angel concludes:

• "No one supports me against them except Michael, your prince."

This statement underscores his isolation and lack of resources. He is highlighting that in this cosmic conflict, his own power is not enough, and the only ally he has in this fight is Michael.

Logical Conclusion: An omnipotent being would not need "support" or be concerned about having only one ally. God is described throughout scripture as the commander of vast heavenly hosts (e.g., 2 Kings 6:17: "hills full of horses and chariots of fire"). If this were God, the statement would be nonsensical. The fact that he laments having only one supporter is a powerful testament to his created, non-omnipotent nature.

I can just prove in one single verse.
Look at how the “Man” is described by Daniel
5 I looked up and there before me was a man dressed in linen, with a belt of fine gold from Uphaz around his waist.
6 His body was like topaz, his face like lightning, his eyes like flaming torches, his arms and legs like the gleam of burnished bronze, and his voice like the sound of a multitude.

Look at how God is described by Ezekiel

26 Above the large covering that was over their heads there was something that looked like a throne, and looked like it was made of sapphire. Sitting on the throne was what looked like a man. 27 Then I saw that there was something like shining brass from the center of his body and up to his head. It looked like fire all around within it. And from the center of his body and down to his feet I saw something like fire. There was a bright light shining all around Him.

28 This light shining around Him looked like the rainbow in the clouds on a day of rain.

This was what the shining-greatness of the Lord looked like. And when I saw it, I fell on my face and heard a voice speaking.

It is exactly the same.

 

[Noesis]

Not a prophecy but revelation to the prophet Daniel

focus on the Being Daniel saw.
@Ghoulish

Daniel 10​

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New International Version​

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Daniel’s Vision of a Man​

10 In the third year of Cyrus king of Persia, a revelation was given to Daniel (who was called Belteshazzar). Its message was true and it concerned a great war.[a] The understanding of the message came to him in a vision.
2 At that time I, Daniel, mourned for three weeks. 3 I ate no choice food; no meat or wine touched my lips; and I used no lotions at all until the three weeks were over.
4 On the twenty-fourth day of the first month, as I was standing on the bank of the great river, the Tigris,
5 I looked up and there before me was a man dressed in linen, with a belt of fine gold from Uphaz around his waist.
6 His body was like topaz, his face like lightning, his eyes like flaming torches, his arms and legs like the gleam of burnished bronze, and his voice like the sound of a multitude.
7 I, Daniel, was the only one who saw the vision; those who were with me did not see it, but such terror overwhelmed them that they fled and hid themselves.
8 So I was left alone, gazing at this great vision; I had no strength left, my face turned deathly pale and I was helpless.
9 Then I heard him speaking, and as I listened to him, I fell into a deep sleep, my face to the ground.
10 A hand touched me and set me trembling on my hands and knees.
11 He said, “Daniel, you who are highly esteemed, consider carefully the words I am about to speak to you, and stand up, for I have now been sent to you.” And when he said this to me, I stood up trembling.
12 Then he continued, “Do not be afraid, Daniel. Since the first day that you set your mind to gain understanding and to humble yourself before your God, your words were heard, and I have come in response to them.
13 But the prince of the Persian kingdom resisted me twenty-one days. Then Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, because I was detained there with the king of Persia.
14 Now I have come to explain to you what will happen to your people in the future, for the vision concerns a time yet to come.”
15 While he was saying this to me, I bowed with my face toward the ground and was speechless.
16 Then one who looked like a man[b] touched my lips, and I opened my mouth and began to speak. I said to the one standing before me, “I am overcome with anguish because of the vision, my Lord, and I feel very weak.
17 How can I, your servant, talk with you, my Lord? My strength is gone and I can hardly breathe.”
18 Again the one who looked like a man touched me and gave me strength.
19 “Do not be afraid, you who are highly esteemed,” he said. “Peace! Be strong now; be strong.”
When he spoke to me, I was strengthened and said, “Speak, my Lord, since you have given me strength.”
20 So he said, “Do you know why I have come to you? Soon I will return to fight against the prince of Persia, and when I go, the prince of Greece will come;
21 but first I will tell you what is written in the Book of Truth. (No one supports me against them except Michael, your prince.

Didn't even see this lol, this is not a prophecy.

 

[Noesis]

I can just prove in one single verse.
Look at how the “Man” is described by Daniel
5 I looked up and there before me was a man dressed in linen, with a belt of fine gold from Uphaz around his waist.
6 His body was like topaz, his face like lightning, his eyes like flaming torches, his arms and legs like the gleam of burnished bronze, and his voice like the sound of a multitude.

Look at how God is described by Ezekiel

26 Above the large covering that was over their heads there was something that looked like a throne, and looked like it was made of sapphire. Sitting on the throne was what looked like a man. 27 Then I saw that there was something like shining brass from the center of his body and up to his head. It looked like fire all around within it. And from the center of his body and down to his feet I saw something like fire. There was a bright light shining all around Him.

28 This light shining around Him looked like the rainbow in the clouds on a day of rain.

This was what the shining-greatness of the Lord looked like. And when I saw it, I fell on my face and heard a voice speaking.

It is exactly the same.

Bhai you do know in the OT Yahweh can make angels carry his name/essence right?

 

[ngannou]

Bhai you do know in the OT Yahweh can make angels carry his name/essence right

No angels sit on the throne of God @Ghoulish

 

[GhostBoySwag]

holy i am having a fun laugh with this

 

[ngannou]

Didn't even see this lol, this is not a prophecy.

Ezekiel and Daniel includes both revelation and prophecy.

 

[GhostBoySwag]

@ngannou

if jesus is god
and jesus went to pray to god
and i know prayer can mean communication so dont think im gonna use that weak argument of jesus pray to god but jesus is good ahh argument but
I got a good question for you

What did they talk about
What did they say?
why did he bow down to pray?

mind you i have no knowledge of christanity
Or islam so if you are just gonna come at me in a rude way
im gonna be very sad and heart broken

 

[Noesis]

Ezekiel and Daniel includes both revelation and prophecy.

I meant a prophecy about jesus's nature contrary to what we believe in islam

 

[ngannou]

@ngannou

if jesus is god
and jesus went to pray to god
and i know prayer can mean communication so dont think im gonna use that weak argument of jesus pray to god but jesus is good ahh argument but
I got a good question for you

What did they talk about
What did they say?
why did he bow down to pray?

mind you i have no knowledge of christanity
Or islam so if you are just gonna come at me in a rude way
im gonna be very sad and heart broken

This will answer your question
Philippians 2:7

rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness

John 1

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome[a] it
……
14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

 

[Noesis]

No angels sit on the throne of God @Ghoulish

Genesis
32:24And Jacob was left alone; and there wrestled a man with him until the breaking of the day.
32:25And when he saw that he prevailed not against him, he touched the hollow of his thigh; and the hollow of Jacob's thigh was out of joint, as he wrestled with him.
32:26And he said, Let me go, for the day breaketh. And he said, I will not let thee go, except thou bless me.
32:27And he said unto him, What is thy name? And he said, Jacob.
32:28And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.
32:29And Jacob asked him, and said, Tell me, I pray thee, thy name. And he said, Wherefore is it that thou dost ask after my name? And he blessed him there.
32:30And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved

Hosea
12:3He took his brother by the heel in the womb, and by his strength he had power with God:
12:4Yea, he had power over the angel, and prevailed: he wept, and made supplication unto him: he found him in Bethel, and there he spake with us;
12:5Even the LORD God of hosts; the LORD is his memorial.

 

[ngannou]

I meant a prophecy about jesus's nature contrary to what we believe in islam

Zechariah 2:10 @Ghoulish

Him Whom They Have Pierced​

10 “And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and pleas for mercy, so that, when they look on me, on him whom they have pierced, they shall mourn for him, as one mourns for an only child, and weep bitterly over him, as one weeps over a firstborn.

 

[ngannou]

Genesis
32:24And Jacob was left alone; and there wrestled a man with him until the breaking of the day.
32:25And when he saw that he prevailed not against him, he touched the hollow of his thigh; and the hollow of Jacob's thigh was out of joint, as he wrestled with him.
32:26And he said, Let me go, for the day breaketh. And he said, I will not let thee go, except thou bless me.
32:27And he said unto him, What is thy name? And he said, Jacob.
32:28And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.
32:29And Jacob asked him, and said, Tell me, I pray thee, thy name. And he said, Wherefore is it that thou dost ask after my name? And he blessed him there.
32:30And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved

Hosea
12:3He took his brother by the heel in the womb, and by his strength he had power with God:
12:4Yea, he had power over the angel, and prevailed: he wept, and made supplication unto him: he found him in Bethel, and there he spake with us;
12:5Even the LORD God of hosts; the LORD is his memorial.

Where does it say angel sit on God’s throne?
@Ghoulish

 

[childishkillah]

Yes bro, the Jews created Islam to kill themselves and make them even more helpless. 200iq take @childishkillah wtf is this ragebait

Arabian jews created islam to get crushed in every way possible

 

[GhostBoySwag]

This will answer your question
Philippians 2:7

rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness

John 1

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome[a] it
……
14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

i need a bit help on John 1

What are we talking about here


by he are we talking about jesus or are we talking someone else

 

[Noesis]

Zechariah 2:10 @Ghoulish

Him Whom They Have Pierced​

10 “And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and pleas for mercy, so that, when they look on me, on him whom they have pierced, they shall mourn for him, as one mourns for an only child, and weep bitterly over him, as one weeps over a firstborn.

4:157

and for boasting, “We killed the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, the messenger of Allah.” But they neither killed nor crucified him—it was only made to appear so.1 Even those who argue for this ˹crucifixion˺ are in doubt. They have no knowledge whatsoever—only making assumptions. They certainly did not kill him.

You got one more try to disprove me

 

[ngannou]

4:157

and for boasting, “We killed the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, the messenger of Allah.” But they neither killed nor crucified him—it was only made to appear so.1 Even those who argue for this ˹crucifixion˺ are in doubt. They have no knowledge whatsoever—only making assumptions. They certainly did not kill him.

You got one more try to disprove me

You are giving your own Quran to disprove it JFL.

All the history approves Jesus’ death

 

[ngannou]

i need a bit help on John 1

What are we talking about here


by he are we talking about jesus or are we talking someone else

The word of God that came with flesh is Jesus Christ.

 

[Noesis]

You are giving your own Quran to disprove it JFL.

All the history approves Jesus’ death

My challenge was a prophecy about Jesus contrary to what the quran and hadith describe

 

[ngannou]

My challenge was a prophecy about Jesus contrary to what the quran and hadith describe

Yeah the one who says I will pour out the spirit of grace is God in the Old Testament. If Jesus is just a mere prophet than how he is he alive even before born and calls himself Lord.

 

[Ghoulish]

You are giving your own Quran to disprove it JFL.

All the history approves Jesus’ death

Why have I been ghost tagged here, you sneaky slut.

“All the history approves Jesus’ death” only peasant witness accounts approve of it, which is stated in the Quran as it says it was made to appear to them as thought he had died.

 

[ngannou]

Why have I been ghost tagged here, you sneaky slut.

“All the history approves Jesus’ death” only peasant witness accounts approve of it, which is stated in the Quran as it says it was made to appear to them as thought he had died.

A book
That was after hundreds years ago after Jesus came claims it proves historically accurate Jesus JFl

 

[Ghoulish]

A book
That was after hundreds years ago after Jesus came claims it proves historically accurate Jesus JFl

Bible was how many centuries after the Old Testament again?

 

[Nei]

that book was written long after the supposed death of Jesus by no one knows who anyway

 

[ngannou]

Bible was how many centuries after the Old Testament again?

NEW testament is the fulfillment of Old testament

 

[Ghoulish]

NEW testament is the fulfillment of Old testament

Quran is the correction of New Testament.

 

[ngannou]

Quran is the correction of New Testament.

But contradicts the whole Old Testament

 

[Ghoulish]

But contradicts the whole Old Testament

Because it’s the correction. No shit it’ll contradict

Oldest remaining manuscript of the OT is thousands of years after Moses’ time. The Old Testament is a butchery of the original manuscript.

 

[ngannou]

Because it’s the correction. No shit it’ll contradict

Oldest remaining manuscript of the OT is thousands of years after Moses’ time. The Old Testament is a butchery of the original manuscript.

Even Mormons claim they are the correction of the Old Testament and New Testament.

Trust me bro it is butchered and no longer available!

 

[GhostBoySwag]

Even Mormons claim they are the correction of the Old Testament and New Testament.

Trust me bro it is butchered and no longer available!

but why such thing as old and new if i may ask?