math vs english

[MLGS0LD1ERB0Y]

in my opinion english is harder than math (math isnt hard at all)

English fucking mogs JFL at those math cuck niggas

 

[iblamefranklin]

English fucking mogs JFL at those math cuck niggas

this long ass thread over math and english, im having fun though!!

i didnt know people here cared about this stuff as much i do!!

 

[User772772]

brah you learned about transinfinite numbers, cardinality, and that real numbers are more infinite and you think you´re like a supergenius

i havent taken one course btw (not a college student yet)

Yeah i can tell you haven't taken one course

 

[epic09]

If math is so easy because you can see your mistakes, why is the fail rate for calculus higher than any english class in history?

maybe casue your comparing calculus to a random english course obv calculus is going to be harder

 

[epic09]

this long ass thread over math and english, im having fun though!!

i didnt know people here cared about this stuff as much i do!!

same this kinda fun icl

 

[iblamefranklin]

Yeah i can tell you haven't taken one course

which proves my point further i can learn this without the help of professors, imagine how much easier it would be with teaching

 

[User772772]

English fucking mogs JFL at those math cuck niggas

how

 

[iblamefranklin]

maybe casue your comparing calculus to a random english course obv calculus is going to be harder

calculus is actually the definition of not hard just tedious

 

[User772772]

maybe casue your comparing calculus to a random english course obv calculus is going to be harder

We are comparing high level math to high level english

 

[epic09]

which proves my point further i can learn this without the help of professors, imagine how much easier it would be with teaching

exactactly you get taught how to answer the questions

 

[iblamefranklin]

We are comparing high level math to high level english

idk if hes paying attention or just saying things now

 

[User772772]

which proves my point further i can learn this without the help of professors, imagine how much easier it would be with teaching

Sure buddy your just that gifted aint you lmao, knowing a concept exists isn't the same as being able to do it. You 'learned' that real numbers are more infinite? wowww amazing. Now use the Continuum hypothesis to prove a set-theoretic property in a formal exam setting

 

[epic09]

We are comparing high level math to high level english

even at high levels math has objective correctness and if your talking the pass and fails rates in history it going abv leans away from math because they didnt have the tools to understand the topic better

 

[User772772]

exactactly you get taught how to answer the questions

Mirin the confidence, if it was that easy we would all be math geniuses

 

[epic09]

Sure buddy your just that gifted aint you lmao, knowing a concept exists isn't the same as being able to do it. You 'learned' that real numbers are more infinite? wowww amazing. Now use the Continuum hypothesis to prove a set-theoretic property in a formal exam setting

you literally get taught how to do this buddy

 

[User772772]

even at high levels math has objective correctness and if your talking the pass and fails rates in history it going abv leans away from math because they didnt have the tools to understand the topic better

hahah you have no clue do youyou actually think tools make math easier? Tools just move the goalposts. We have better tools than Newton did, but that just means we’re expected to solve problems that would have made Newton’s head explode.

 

[User772772]

you literally get taught how to do this buddy

You can get taught to do anything , what is your point?

 

[dududutchy123]

in my opinion english is harder than math (math isnt hard at all)

Math is all patterns and it’s universal

English is about memory

If you can’t understand math then you’re a retard

 

[epic09]

yea you can be taught anything but in math once you understand what your doing you can replicate it and produce right answers but in english even if you understand it your result literally depends on how the marker interprets your answer

 

[iblamefranklin]

Sure buddy your just that gifted aint you lmao, knowing a concept exists isn't the same as being able to do it. You 'learned' that real numbers are more infinite? wowww amazing. Now use the Continuum hypothesis to prove a set-theoretic property in a formal exam setting

¨im gonna list random math problems you havent learned yet, and once you cant do one this also means you cant do it with being taught it¨

this logic is completely flawed and you keep repeating yourself at this point, would this be impossible when taking the courses and being taught it, no itd be very possible, and thats my entire point

have i ever said that it would be easy for someone who hasnt? no

yet you apply this logic to me that in the happenstance that i cant do it (ive not taken the courses) this means under the circumstance i do take these courses i will not be capable

tl:dr repetition, my point is its very possible when taught, your point is there are problems i cant do cause i havent been taught

 

[User772772]

yea you can be taught anything but in math once you understand what your doing you can replicate it and produce right answers but in english even if you understand it your result literally depends on how the marker interprets your answer

In uni math you aren't replicating anything. You are given a set of axioms and told to prove something that has never been shown to you before. It’s problem solving not a memory test. If you could just "replicate" the right answer, computers would have solved every math problem decades ago

 

[Cherkez]

Only good thing about english is that you get access to bitches who think they are changing the world by learning grammar

Somehow still better than math in which the high iq halo only helps if you don't look like that shrunken testicle from rick and morty

 

[User772772]

¨im gonna list random math problems you havent learned yet, and once you cant do one this also means you cant do it with being taught it¨

this logic is completely flawed and you keep repeating yourself at this point, would this be impossible when taking the courses and being taught it, no itd be very possible, and thats my entire point

have i ever said that it would be easy for someone who hasnt? no

yet you apply this logic to me that in the happenstance that i cant do it (ive not taken the courses) this means under the circumstance i do take these courses i will not be capable

tl:dr repetition, my point is its very possible when taught, your point is there are problems i cant do cause i havent been taught

You think its really that easy Didnt know we had einstein here.

 

[iblamefranklin]

Only good thing about english is that you get access to bitches who think they are changing the world by learning grammar

Somehow still better than math in which the high iq halo only helps if you don't look like that shrunken testicle from rick and morty

blue haired english class baddies

 

[epic09]

¨im gonna list random math problems you havent learned yet, and once you cant do one this also means you cant do it with being taught it¨

this logic is completely flawed and you keep repeating yourself at this point, would this be impossible when taking the courses and being taught it, no itd be very possible, and thats my entire point

have i ever said that it would be easy for someone who hasnt? no

yet you apply this logic to me that in the happenstance that i cant do it (ive not taken the courses) this means under the circumstance i do take these courses i will not be capable

tl:dr repetition, my point is its very possible when taught, your point is there are problems i cant do cause i havent been taught

correct you cant be expected to solve something before being taught it doesn't prove you can do it after this literally happens in every subject like the whole point is you can reliably get the right answer in math because you have straightforward rules and outcomes

 

[iblamefranklin]

You think its really that easy Didnt know we had einstein here.

you´re not even actually proving your point, logical fallacy after logical fallacy

stupid grey, this takes all the fun out of debating you

 

[Cherkez]

blue haired english class baddies

I did math though and it's a huge halo if you don't look like you stink, english class males often come off as really horny

 

[User772772]

¨im gonna list random math problems you havent learned yet, and once you cant do one this also means you cant do it with being taught it¨

this logic is completely flawed and you keep repeating yourself at this point, would this be impossible when taking the courses and being taught it, no itd be very possible, and thats my entire point

have i ever said that it would be easy for someone who hasnt? no

yet you apply this logic to me that in the happenstance that i cant do it (ive not taken the courses) this means under the circumstance i do take these courses i will not be capable

tl:dr repetition, my point is its very possible when taught, your point is there are problems i cant do cause i havent been taught

You’re missing the point. I’m not saying you’re incapable because you haven't been taught; I'm saying that instructions does not mean mastery
In English, if someone teaches you a concept, you can immediately use it to form an opinion. In high-level Math the teacher can explain a theorem for three hours and half the room will still walk out not understanding it. The 'repetition' you’re complaining about is me trying to get you to realize that amth is more like a perfromace not a lecture
It's like saying, 'I could play for the NBA if a coach just taught me the plays.' No, you still need to be 6'6" and have the natrual gift. High-level math is the same the 'teaching' is only the map, you still have to be fast enough to run the race. The fact that you think 'being taught' is a 100% success rate proves you’ve never actually been challenged by a subject yet. You aint a genius kid, you are just a deluded kid whjo hasnt even passed high school math yet

 

[iblamefranklin]

I did math though and it's a huge halo if you don't look like you stink, english class males often come off as really horny

id understand that icl

 

[Cherkez]

correct you cant be expected to solve something before being taught it doesn't prove you can do it after this literally happens in every subject like the whole point is you can reliably get the right answer in math because you have straightforward rules and outcomes

The "rules" of mathematics often get bent to fit an outcome and then happen to be true when proved later on. Perfect example of this is how infinitesimals are treated when asymptotes are taught vs calculus but most mathtards aren't smart enough to actually draw their own conclusions ( ironically english at a high level relies on this so maybe that is why there is such a significant split ) and just follow whatever their teacher says

 

[epic09]

uni math also isnt memorization but u dont just make something up from scratch your still working within known definitions proofs and theorems your just using this knowledge to solve problems

 

[polozsz]

in my opinion english is harder than math (math isnt hard at all)

Maybe at your high school level, they are about the same difficulty. However, the ceiling for English is maybe infinitely lower than it is for math, so I would say math as a subject is much harder than English once you get into the college/professional level.

 

[Cherkez]

id understand that icl

TLDR: at university if you are ugly pick a course with a advantageous m-f ratio, if you aren't ugly doesn't really matter what course you pick but still a pretty decent m-f ratio, if you are attractive you can probably still get laid with the computer science failo

 

[epic09]

Maybe at your high school level, they are about the same difficulty. However, the ceiling for English is maybe infinitely lower than it is for math, so I would say math as a subject is much harder than English once you get into the college/professional level.

i agree math has higher complexity as you go more in depth but i think English's ceiling isnt lower just different more about persuasion and arguments rather than a definite answer

 

[iblamefranklin]

You’re missing the point. I’m not saying you’re incapable because you haven't been taught; I'm saying that instructions does not mean mastery
In English, if someone teaches you a concept, you can immediately use it to form an opinion. In high-level Math the teacher can explain a theorem for three hours and half the room will still walk out not understanding it. The 'repetition' you’re complaining about is me trying to get you to realize that amth is more like a perfromace not a lecture
It's like saying, 'I could play for the NBA if a coach just taught me the plays.' No, you still need to be 6'6" and have the natrual gift. High-level math is the same the 'teaching' is only the map, you still have to be fast enough to run the race. The fact that you think 'being taught' is a 100% success rate proves you’ve never actually been challenged by a subject yet. You aint a genius kid, you are just a deluded kid whjo hasnt even passed high school math yet

ad hominem, the comparison to basketball is completely different The plays dont make 90% of basketball, and theres other variables to whether or not you do well

and you also forget here the topic was whether or i could pass these courses, a d and above is passing in a uni

86% of people pass calc one with an A for example,

muh muh muh age means im smarter

 

[polozsz]

i agree math has higher complexity as you go more in depth but i think English's ceiling isnt lower just different more about persuasion and arguments rather than a definite answer

Sure but argumentative and persuasive stuff isn’t limited to only English. I think any moron can write a good original essay, but it takes a genius to discover a new math concept and be able to persuade other mathematicians of the credibility of your discover.

 

[iblamefranklin]

Maybe at your high school level, they are about the same difficulty. However, the ceiling for English is maybe infinitely lower than it is for math, so I would say math as a subject is much harder than English once you get into the college/professional level.

and what makes you say that? im curious

 

[User772772]

you´re not even actually proving your point, logical fallacy after logical fallacy

stupid grey, this takes all the fun out of debating you

Math is the ultimate intellectual filter because it’s the only subject with absolute accountability. If your logic has a single crack, the entire structure vanishes. You can’t "vibe" your way through a proof (unlike English); you either have the mental horsepower to grasp 11-dimensional abstractions or you don't. That’s why it has the highest fail rates in the world….. it’s an objective measurement of your brain's processing speed.

English thoooo is basically a book club. It’s a subject where you can "miss the point," yap shit for twenty pages, and still get a B because your professor liked your "voice." It’s an safety net for people who can't handle the reality of being wrong. In English, "truth" is just whoever has the loudest opinion; in Math, truth is the literal fabric of the universe.

Math is the only subject that requires actual discovery. English is just a bunch of people sitting around interpreting what someone else already did. If you think arguing about symbols in a poem is harder than solving the equations that keep your house from falling down, you're just admitting you're a retard.

 

[polozsz]

and what makes you say that? im curious

I think it’s very simple to understand that English is the simply language we use to verbalize our ideas, and math is the language we use to understand the universe.

 

[iblamefranklin]

Sure but argumentative and persuasive stuff isn’t limited to only English. I think any moron can write a good original essay, but it takes a genius to discover a new math concept and be able to persuade other mathematicians of the credibility of your discover.

well yeah, im gonna go out on a limb here and says discovering a new math concept is harder then any english concept

i meant like math courses compared to english courses not like applying this outside of a learning environment

 

[iblamefranklin]

I think it’s very simple to understand that English is the simply language we use to verbalize our ideas, and math is the language we use to understand the universe.

but like specifically, no vague quote, im not like being annoying, im genuinely trying to hear out your opinion on this


(people forget the point of debating isnt being right, its for both us to get to the truth)

 

[User772772]

ad hominem, the comparison to basketball is completely different The plays dont make 90% of basketball, and theres other variables to whether or not you do well

and you also forget here the topic was whether or i could pass these courses, a d and above is passing in a uni

86% of people pass calc one with an A for example,

muh muh muh age means im smarter

The basketball comparison is perfect because just like math you can know all the 'plays' and still be too slow to play the game. In English, you can play 'benchwarmer" and still get a degree because you can't be objectively wrong.

 

[iblamefranklin]

The basketball comparison is perfect because just like math you can know all the 'plays' and still be too slow to play the game. In English, you can play 'benchwarmer" and still get a degree because you can't be objectively wrong.

but basketball players can be slow and still play perfectly fine if the coach puts him on power foward, or guard

players like chris paul thrive off this

there are more outside variable to this

 

[User772772]

ad hominem, the comparison to basketball is completely different The plays dont make 90% of basketball, and theres other variables to whether or not you do well

and you also forget here the topic was whether or i could pass these courses, a d and above is passing in a uni

86% of people pass calc one with an A for example,

muh muh muh age means im smarter

where are you getting 86% A-rates for Calc 1? At top-tier universities like UT Austin ,(50% Calculus failure/withdrawal rate) You’re looking at 'inflated' high school stats and thinking they apply to a real degree.

 

[User772772]

but basketball players can be slow and still play perfectly fine if the coach puts him on power foward, or guard

players like chris paul thrive off this

there are more outside variable to this

proving my point....

 

[epic09]

Math is the ultimate intellectual filter because it’s the only subject with absolute accountability. If your logic has a single crack, the entire structure vanishes. You can’t "vibe" your way through a proof (unlike English); you either have the mental horsepower to grasp 11-dimensional abstractions or you don't. That’s why it has the highest fail rates in the world….. it’s an objective measurement of your brain's processing speed.

English thoooo is basically a book club. It’s a subject where you can "miss the point," yap shit for twenty pages, and still get a B because your professor liked your "voice." It’s an safety net for people who can't handle the reality of being wrong. In English, "truth" is just whoever has the loudest opinion; in Math, truth is the literal fabric of the universe.

Math is the only subject that requires actual discovery. English is just a bunch of people sitting around interpreting what someone else already did. If you think arguing about symbols in a poem is harder than solving the equations that keep your house from falling down, you're just admitting you're a retard.

your just tuning math into a measure of intelligence which doesn't make sense yes its hard and rule based but still a skill that is learnable not something that filters your intelligence

 

[iblamefranklin]

where are you getting 86% A-rates for Calc 1? At top-tier universities like UT Austin ,(50% Calculus failure/withdrawal rate) You’re looking at 'inflated' high school stats and thinking they apply to a real degree.

maa (mathmatical association of america)

 

[iblamefranklin]

proving my point....

uh no? your point is that slow players dont make blah blah thats why it fits, but they do make it? thats why the analogy doesnt fit?

 

[epic09]

where are you getting 86% A-rates for Calc 1? At top-tier universities like UT Austin ,(50% Calculus failure/withdrawal rate) You’re looking at 'inflated' high school stats and thinking they apply to a real degree.

your just cherry picking stats bro even if the pas rates are low in some unis does mean math is pure intelligence it just shows that its a cumulative subject

 

[User772772]

your just tuning math into a measure of intelligence which doesn't make sense yes its hard and rule based but still a skill that is learnable not something that filters your intelligence

You're lying to yourself. Math is the ultimate cognitive stress test. If it were just about 'learning the rules,' then everyone who put in the hours would be a physicist. But they aren't. They hit a ceiling where their brain literally cannot process the abstraction anymore.

English is the 'skill' you learn Math is the engine you're born with. You can't 'teach' someone to visualize a 4D manifold any more than you can teach a blind person to see color. You either have the hardware to run the program, or you don't.

That’s why English is for the masses and High-Level Math is for the elite. In English, you’re just rearranging words everyone already knows. In Math, you’re trying to decode the language of the universe with a brain that’s clearly struggling to handle basic logic. Calling it a 'learnable skill' is just your way of pretending you aren't scared of the IQ wall you’re about to hit.