Maxillary downgraft or Lefort 1 (if both not the sam) or lip lift or face dentistry (veneers)?

[Chico Chicowski]

my lovely dady gave me genetically too short (probably) maxilla verictaly

This is pic from the bottom but you can still see that my upper teeth are poorly or not visible when I speak
They are visible when I smile but not fully + with lower teeth - look quite aspie and its pretty kills my look when I speak (asked ppl and its not that noticable - but when I watch videos of my self have different opinion)

I'm not shortmidfacesyndromecel but in general I have pretty high gonial angle (probably all is connected)

I was told that I should get either

maxillary downgraft (lefort 1?) - hardcore options

2. veeners

expensive as hell and not good for teeth


3. lip lift

the cheapest + the safest
I dont know if it works, actually my upper lip is not existing - its hidden under (maybe hiding teeth)
philtrum is around 20mm

who got problem like that, what would you do to fix it?

btw im gonna visit facial surgeon next month

 

[Deleted member 2621]

Sooo... While we out here complaining about long midface you wanna elongate yours?

 

[Chico Chicowski]

Sooo... While we out here complaining about long midface you wanna elongate yours?

you mean when maxillary downgraft?

I have compactness of di caprio actually

 

[Deleted member 3259]

Show a photo of your mouth when you smile. Your smile helps determine also what is needed. You can pm if you dont wanna share here

 

[Chico Chicowski]

Show a photo of your mouth when you smile. Your smile helps determine also what is needed. You can pm if you dont wanna share here

found that and surprised that they were completely unhooded here:

 

[Lorsss]

@medialcanthuscel muh long midface

 

[Deleted member 4887]

I’ll give you 5mm of my midface length bro

 

[Golden Glass]

OP I’ve got the same problem. Came to accept it just a few days ago. I have vertical maxillary deficiency by maybe like 4mm (my pupil to upper lib border distance is about 57mm).

We are ironically luckier than long midface-cels because it’s easier to visually elongate a short midface with straight down graft or CW rotation than it is to visually shorten a long midface with CCW rotation.

Here’s some life fuel for you (granted, chin angle isn’t identical in both pics, but her midface definitely lengthened).

 

[medialcanthuscel]

@medialcanthuscel muh long midface

 

[Golden Glass]

also btw OP, don’t get a lip lift if you already have a short midface. Sure you’ll get more teeth display when talking, but your midface will look much shorter

 

[Chico Chicowski]

OP I’ve got the same problem. Came to accept it just a few days ago. I have vertical maxillary deficiency by maybe like 4mm (my pupil to upper lib border distance is about 57mm).

We are ironically luckier than long midface-cels because it’s easier to visually elongate a short midface with straight down graft or CW rotation than it is to visually shorten a long midface with CCW rotation.

Here’s some life fuel for you (granted, chin angle isn’t identical in both pics, but her midface definitely lengthened).
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I somehow dont look "retruded" "weird" when my face is not smiling/talking
it only looks weird when I open my mouth

and actually I dont have short face neither long ^^

 

[Golden Glass]

and actually I dont have short face neither long ^^

What’s your pupil to mouth border distance?

 

[Chico Chicowski]

What’s your pupil to mouth border distance?

hard to measure because of a scleral show haha
buts its actually around 61-62 mm

 

[Golden Glass]

hard to measure because of a scleral show haha
buts its actually around 61-62 mm

Well I’m fairly sure there’s a way to do maxillary downgraft without visual midface lengthening, if that’s not something you want. You should consult with surgeons and ask that question in particular.

 

[Chico Chicowski]

Well I’m fairly sure there’s a way to do maxillary downgraft without visual midface lengthening, if that’s not something you want. You should consult with surgeons and ask that question in particular.

thx, yep - i will be visiting surgeon
the problem iwth downgraft is not even the midface but how the complicated surgery it is <and time consuming inclyuding braces>
but on the other hand you fix the cause not only hide it (lip lift) - but maybe LL is enough? who knows

 

[SoloistUndAntagonist]

This is also a solid example of downgraft. I’m also considering leffort 1 downgraft, but am concerned about the mid face. I have a compact midface, but long philitrum. I had a Genioplasty couple years back that I’m having redone, but still want the downgraft. Thinking I would have to have my lip shortened to keep myself from serious alien tendencies.

 

[SoloistUndAntagonist]

Btw. What is considered chad philtrum. Normal philtrum. Borderline it’s Over philtrum. (And) It’s over philtrum.

 

[NarcyChadlite]

Ill save a piece of my maxilla after my midface shortening for you to get implanted and we can both be chads together.

 

[Chico Chicowski]

Btw. What is considered chad philtrum. Normal philtrum. Borderline it’s Over philtrum. (And) It’s over philtrum.

nice thread found
funny fact that this Thursday Im finally gonna visit Maxilla Surgeon because of corona meme (that late)
Im also concerned about the midface length + ofc the potential health problems after surgery that mighy be 0.01PSL+
results after downgraft arent spectacular unfortunately

 

[SoloistUndAntagonist]

Ill save a piece of my maxilla after my midface shortening for you to get implanted and we can both be chads together.

Sumbitch, that's what I call going green. Pour out a little midface for all my fallen cels.

 

[SoloistUndAntagonist]

Indeed. I've been teetering over going thru with it. The midface is so important, I'd much rather have what I do now than end up with a longer midface. I actually have good bone structure, only the long philtrum and a canted and slightly underdeveloped (width) and slightly short maxilla. I had veneers put on few years back, big mistake. The tooth is so long now, it actually created a puffing appearance at the top of my philtrum. So, if I downgraft my maxilla, now I've got an EXTREMELY long tooth that's nearly all exposed, and a the potential of a longer midface. Motherfuckers. I want to know the percentages of us that have had their upper lip shortened for which it actually turned out alright.

 

[Chico Chicowski]

Indeed. I've been teetering over going thru with it. The midface is so important, I'd much rather have what I do now than end up with a longer midface. I actually have good bone structure, only the long philtrum and a canted and slightly underdeveloped (width) and slightly short maxilla. I had veneers put on few years back, big mistake. The tooth is so long now, it actually created a puffing appearance at the top of my philtrum. So, if I downgraft my maxilla, now I've got an EXTREMELY long tooth that's nearly all exposed, and a the potential of a longer midface. Motherfuckers. I want to know the percentages of us that have had their upper lip shortened for which it actually turned out alright.

considered lip lift before? im scared of the scar the most

 

[SoloistUndAntagonist]

thx, yep - i will be visiting surgeon
the problem iwth downgraft is not even the midface but how the complicated surgery it is <and time consuming inclyuding braces>
but on the other hand you fix the cause not only hide it (lip lift) - but maybe LL is enough? who knows

Btw. The surgeon I saw said he could downgraft with genioplasty via no braces.

 

[Polka]

Sound like the opposite problem to having gummy smile