Maxillary hypoplasia is manletism of the face

[Snicket]

A recessed maxilla means the bone constituting your midface didn’t grow sufficiently.

A hypoplastic maxilla is manletism of the face:

5ft 6:

A forward grown maxilla denotes above average facial bone growth:

6ft 3:

 

[Snicket]

A recessed maxilla means the bones constituting your midface didn’t grow sufficiently.

A hypoplastic maxilla is manletism of the face:

5ft 6:

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6ft 3:

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Looks like I’ve got to bump my own thread again.

It was obvious anyway. Don’t know why I bothered to be honest

 

[vrilmaxxer]

 

[Snicket]

Cute.

 

[goontang]

And it's genetic just like height

 

[Snicket]

And it's genetic just like height

Mostly genetic, >70% with ramus length and asymmetries showing greater environmental influence.

 

[JeanneDArcAlter]

Your pfp suits you well

 

[Snicket]

Your pfp suits you well

Many have told me that.
Why?

 

[got.daim]

nigga what I'm tall and my maxilla is ass

 

[superpsycho]

Many have told me that.
Why?

because you use grammar

 

[Snicket]

nigga what I'm tall and my maxilla is ass

I meant it’s manletism of the face.

Quite simply, the maxilla doesn’t grow enough.

In the same way that the femurs and tibias of the legs don’t grow enough for manlets.

 

[Snicket]

because you use grammar

That makes sense I guess.

Does it feel like Nixon is giving you a press conference on craniofacial development?

 

[superpsycho]

That makes sense I guess.

Does it feel like Nixon is giving you a press conference on craniofacial development?

yep

it is a good thing that you don’t talk like a low class shitskin like most people under the age of 21 do nowadays

 

[Snicket]

yep

it is a good thing that you don’t talk like a low class shitskin like most people under the age of 21 do nowadays

True.

Ironic that I’m getting a Nixon halo, not that most users here know who he is over than the Watergate and “I am not a crook” President.

 

[Alias!]

A recessed maxilla means the bones constituting your midface didn’t grow sufficiently.

A hypoplastic maxilla is manletism of the face:

5ft 6:

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A forward grown maxilla denotes above average facial growth:

6ft 3:

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[Snicket]

What does this mean? Elaborate.

 

[Alias!]

Elaborate. What does this mean?

I agree that’s it’s ovahh for recessed cels

 

[Snicket]

I agree that’s it’s ovahh for recessed cels

The facial equivalent of limb lengthening is LeFort 3 distraction osteogenesis:

 

[Alias!]

The facial equivalent of limb limb lengthening is LeFort 3 distraction osteogenesis:

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My homeboy gotta get a lefort 3

 

[Snicket]

My homeboy gotta get a lefort 3

I went for a consultation with a jaw surgeon once and his assistant thought I was a medical student.

I’ve researched this for a long time only to accept that all these surgical options come with their own limitations and trade-offs.



Such is life.

 

[Alias!]

I went for a consultation with a jaw surgeon once and his assistant thought I was a medical student.

I’ve researched this for a long time only to accept that all these surgical options come with their own limitations and trade-offs.



Such is life.

Brutal did he think you have the tism? At least you won’t get scammed from them.

 

[Snicket]

Brutal did he think you have the tism? At least you won’t get scammed from them.

The surgeon was amused and entertained by it but no more than that.

Someone who is highly knowledgeable about surgery is generally a walking red flag for these people.

Sometimes, it’s better to bite your tongue and ask questions in a more understated but equally guided way.

 

[zemult]

I have slightly above average forward growth, unfortunately it doesn't do much for my front profile falios

 

[zemult]

@Snicket would there be an environmental cause for low bigonial width but long ramus?

 

[BoredPrince]

The surgeon was amused and entertained by it but no more than that.

Someone who is highly knowledgeable about surgery is generally a walking red flag for these people.

Sometimes, it’s better to bite your tongue and ask questions in a more understated but equally guided way.

Why do you say that?

I mean I Know someone who knows this stuff might have more questions but don't get why would they be a red flag

 

[Snicket]

Why do you say that?

I mean I Know someone who knows this stuff might have more questions but don't get why would they be a red flag

Because he didn't want to have another consultation with me. That simple really.

 

[Vincent Freeman]

Many have told me that.
Why?

oldceldom
posting about getting a surgery into his 30s and many years on the forum

 

[Snicket]

oldceldom
posting about getting a surgery into his 30s and many years on the forum

? I'm not in my 30s.

 

[ltncurry]

A recessed maxilla means the bone constituting your midface didn’t grow sufficiently.

A hypoplastic maxilla is manletism of the face:

5ft 6:

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A forward grown maxilla denotes above average facial bone growth:

6ft 3:

View attachment 3645666

I agree it’s significant but it isn’t as a make or break as people say it is. Your mandible can 100 percent grow normally with a flat maxilla, and there’s very minor infra or zygo recession. I know I’m cherry picking but look at pattinson, chico, sean, it’s not necessarily the most important factor as long as it doesn’t contribute to recession of other parts of your face.

 

[Snicket]

I agree it’s significant but it isn’t as a make or break as people say it is. Your mandible can 100 percent grow normally with a flat maxilla, and there’s very minor infra or zygo recession. I know I’m cherry picking but look at pattinson, chico, sean, it’s not necessarily the most important factor as long as it doesn’t contribute to recession of other parts of your face.

Granted, the maxilla is far more important for a woman than man but there's a difference between a recessed maxilla and a flat one.
A recessed maxilla prematurely ages you and often comes with significant infraorbital rim and naso-maxillary recession as well.

 

[ltncurry]

Granted, the maxilla is far more important for a woman than man but there's a difference between a recessed maxilla and a flat one.
A recessed maxilla prematurely ages you and often comes with significant infraorbital rim and naso-maxillary recession as well.

I feel like both are still “recessed” but different stages of recession. IMO mine is slightly recessed but it’s not extremely impacting any other aspect of my face but my naso frontal angle and slight recession of my infraorbitals

 

[greycel]

Mostly genetic, >70% with ramus length and asymmetries showing greater environmental influence.

What would your response be, if I said my ramus length increased, bigonial width increased, gonions angled out, and mandibular to floor angle decreased.. all through light clenching in my early 20s..

 

[chadisbeingmade]

What would your response be, if I said my ramus length increased, bigonial width increased, gonions angled out, and mandibular to floor angle decreased.. all through light clenching in my early 20s..

I believe this, similar experience when I used to do it when I was younger, along with chewing.

Did you just lightly clench 24/7, or was it just hard clenching for some periods during the day, or both?

 

[Snicket]

What would your response be, if I said my ramus length increased, bigonial width increased, gonions angled out, and mandibular to floor angle decreased.. all through light clenching in my early 20s..

Loss of facial fat in your early 20s.
I highly doubt your ramus length increased post puberty.
If we did a CBCT scan of the face 18 vs 25, I doubt we'd see a difference, no disrespect.

 

[greycel]

I believe this, similar experience when I used to do it when I was younger, along with chewing.

Did you just lightly clench 24/7, or was it just clenching for some periods during the day, or both?

Lightly clench 24/7 for a few monts
Exaggerated asymmetry for me, but I also have deviated septum from an accident I didn’t fix and took out 4 premolars with braces during youth, which might be why I experienced it

Likely won’t occur for you, and if it does, slightly clench on the other side

 

[chadisbeingmade]

Lightly clench 24/7 for a few monts
Exaggerated asymmetry for me, but I also have deviated septum from an accident I didn’t fix and took out 4 premolars with braces during youth, which might be why I experienced it

Likely won’t occur for you, and if it does, slightly clench on the other side

This + roids (tren)

 

[Snicket]

I feel like both are still “recessed” but different stages of recession. IMO mine is slightly recessed but it’s not extremely impacting any other aspect of my face but my naso frontal angle and slight recession of my infraorbitals

I agree with this. Flat is within acceptable norms and not that detrimental to looks.
In the example I used, you can see that the entire midface is significantly deficient.

 

[normie_joe]

A recessed maxilla means the bone constituting your midface didn’t grow sufficiently.

A hypoplastic maxilla is manletism of the face:

5ft 6:

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A forward grown maxilla denotes above average facial bone growth:

6ft 3:

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You think it's maxillary deficiency that's the equivalent?

I honestly think it's the mandible being deficient.

What would this be then?

15 inch bideltoid?

I think recessed mandible = manletism and recessed maxilla = framecel.

 

[ltncurry]

I agree with this. Flat is within acceptable norms and not that detrimental to looks.
In the example I used, you can see that the entire midface is significantly deficient.

Yes that’s extremely recessed with a massive under bite too probably due to a comparively over developed mandible. Thank god my nose is completely straight with a flat maxilla even though my dads nose had a big dorsal hump. tbh even with both my parents having a flatter maxilla, me being asthamatic for half my childhood, and most likely eating a less protein dense and softer diet (till 12-13) my maxilla is the only thing recessed.

 

[greycel]

Loss of facial fat in your early 20s.
I highly doubt your ramus length increased post puberty.
If we did a CBCT scan of the face 18 vs 25, I doubt we'd see a difference, no disrespect.

None taken
But the interesting thing is I weigh the same
My gonions used to genuinely point inwards because of extreme downwards growth from premolar extractions and 7 yrs of braces with elastics

How do I know this? I’ve been on blackpill related forums from when I was in my late teens
I felt my gonions and they would curve in
Now I can fit my thumb between them and the outer part of my voice box
I used to monitor them every few weeks and notice change. I experienced change from this all in 5-6 months
My jaw is also nearly 1:1 with my bizygomatic width now, which not good for me as my temples are kinda narrow

It does work, I’m just giving my personal opinion
Now I look at it, I wish I hadn’t
I can’t go for jaw implants, as angularity of the gonions matter more than the amount of projection you put there
I would’ve done a conservative mass, much more angular.. but now conservative mass is too much and my lip width doesn’t allow for it
Will definitely look uncanny

 

[cute]

i still don’t know how to tell a recessed maxilla with certainty

 

[Ogionth]

I meant it’s manletism of the face.

Quite simply, the maxilla doesn’t grow enough.

In the same way that the femurs and tibias of the legs don’t grow enough for manlets.

I think your analogy is biologically flawed, well not completely.

Let me explain,

manletism is not necessarily dwarfism - and dwarfism is where the body doesn't grow enough, a manlet (that is someone less than 5'10 here) is not necessarily someone that hasn't grown "enough", you could be 5'8 yet, grown enough if your genetic potential was 5'8 to begin with.


Moreover, I do get what you mean however many of the ppl don't, you should - I think - have used better terminology as some (well, most) ppl have interpreted your message as you making a co-relation between height (that is normally developed) and facial development :d

 

[Loruki]

A recessed maxilla means the bone constituting your midface didn’t grow sufficiently.

A hypoplastic maxilla is manletism of the face:

5ft 6:

View attachment 3645661

A forward grown maxilla denotes above average facial bone growth:

6ft 3:

View attachment 3645666

Too bad I have proganthism from bad habits. My maxilla protrudes forward.

 

[Snicket]

I think your analogy is biologically flawed, well not completely.

Let me explain,

manletism is not necessarily dwarfism - and dwarfism is where the body doesn't grow enough, a manlet (that is someone less than 5'10 here) is not necessarily someone that hasn't grown "enough", you could be 5'8 yet, grown enough if your genetic potential was 5'8 to begin with.

Maxillary hypoplasia under 10mm is like manletism to me (short but within an acceptable range).
Maxillary recession in centimetres is analgous with dwarfism.

Moreover, I do get what you mean however many of the ppl don't, you should - I think - have used better terminology as some (well, most) ppl have interpreted your message as you making a co-relation between height and facial development :d

Yes, that was not my intention at all !
I was just trying to come up with an intuitive explanation.

 

[Ogionth]

Maxillary hypoplasia under 10mm is like manletism to me (short but within an acceptable range.

Maxillary recession in centimetres is analgous with dwarfism.

Well, that's what I'm saying, maxillary hypoplasia is not comparable to manletism as manletism is not necessarily that "the body didn't grow enough" (as I explained before, 5'8 is manletism yet not necessarily "that your body didnt grow enough). However maxillary hypoplasia in almost all non East-Asian cases is.

 

[Snicket]

Well, that's what I'm saying, maxillary hypoplasia is not comparable to manletism as manletism is not necessarily that "the body didn't grow enough" (as I explained before, 5'8 is manletism yet not necessarily "that your body didnt grow enough). However maxillary hypoplasia in almost all non East-Asian cases is.

Manletism and maxillary hypoplasia mean that bone growth was below average. That's all I meant by it. They are comparable in that respect.

I was just trying to come up with an intuitive explanation and was describing the whole thing loosely for this reason.

 

[Ogionth]

Manletism and maxillary hypoplasia mean that bone growth was below average. That's all I meant by it. They are comparable in that respect.

Well, manletism, let's take 5'7 for example, if we take the average of the whole world (male height), then 5'7 is the average - however we all know it is still manlet so it isn't "below avg" in that sense.

But I do understand what you mean, just wanted to suggest that using better terminology would help understand the average person here - I don't really think they even read it but well - that's another topic.

I was just trying to come up with an intuitive explanation and was describing the whole thing loosely for this reason.

Understandable!

 

[genes_reroll]

Mostly genetic, >70% with ramus length and asymmetries showing greater environmental influence.

I think mouth breathers automstically get underdeveloped maxilla , do you think midface mask is worth it btw? Or it will look like shit and just bloat you?
The ideal would be getting lf2 but we all know surgeons won't do it for aesthetics

 

[Snicket]

Well, manletism, let's take 5'7 for example, if we take the average of the whole world (male height), then 5'7 is the average - however we all know it is still manlet so it isn't "below avg" in that sense.

It was just an analogy. We can pick holes in it. It was in the context of Caucasians really

 

[Snicket]

I think mouth breathers automstically get underdeveloped maxilla , do you think midface mask is worth it btw? Or it will look like shit and just bloat you?
The ideal would be getting lf2 but we all know surgeons won't do it for aesthetics

I believe epigenetics is real and has an influence on facial development but its scope is hugely overstated by this forum.

Face masks are most effective between 6-12 before maxillary sutures begin to seal, much less so after this.