Message to all the Muslims regarding the incident of Charlie Kirk

[Ogionth]

literally just proved everything and explained my points i guess you're the intellectually retarded one at the end of the day lol

you proved what?

i argued that 1. we shouldn't celebrate the murder of the guy with actual evidences

provided evidence with text

2. that we do condemn it if hamas has killed non combatants

with evidence of scholar

3. you said they used jihadi principles

yet you're unaware of any

4. u asked for who condemned them

we provided evidence

5. u said that cultural beliefs are more important


which is just blatantly wrong according to islam.

 

[Ogionth]

you proved what?

i argued that 1. we shouldn't celebrate the murder of the guy with actual evidences

provided evidence with text

2. that we do condemn it if hamas has killed non combatants

with evidence of scholar

3. you said they used jihadi principles

yet you're unaware of any

4. u asked for who condemned them

we provided evidence

5. u said that cultural beliefs are more important which is just blatantly wrong according to islam.

How many more times will you embarrass yourself?

6. You even tried arguing that all children there should be killed

But deflected from the argument when I asked you about an extension of your logic, you're out here advocating for an actual genocide

 

[lonelycurry]

Who cares what the kaffirs think

you say that as you live in a kaffir country, poopskin

 

[Aladin]

Do you realise that it doesn't help the religion when you oppose what everyone's doing (making a mockery of him)

Your logic is so fallible, I almost chuckled to my myself seeing such an embarrassing argument

Most disingenuous post.

Most people aren’t making a mockery of Charlie Kirk. Most see him as a martyr, those who are making a mockery are seen as bad in the public view. If Muslims in general support his death that makes Muslims look bad, so it’s clear Muslims concerned with PR want to not have other Muslims celebrate,

@Swarthy Knight @Lefty Rankin

 

[Swarthy Knight]

so it’s clear Muslims concerned with PR

Quite literally all they care about in regards to "getting along" with others. Even their book says not to insult other faiths, but only so that they wont mock their Allah in return

 

[Aladin]

Quite literally all they care about in regards to "getting along" with others. Even their book says not to insult other faiths, but only so that they wont mock their Allah in return

Show me the source.

 

[Swarthy Knight]

Show me the source.

6:108

 

[Aladin]

6:108

Lmao such a false religion.

 

[Uehdbwidbfngj]

Do not celebrate publicly the death of Charlie Kirk.

First of all, we all know that indeed since he supported the killing of children, it must be condemned and he will be in hellfire and won't be able to spread agenda against saving Palestinians.

Spoiler: Hadith

Abu Qatadah reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, passed by a funeral and he said, “One is relieved and one is relieved from.” They said, “O Messenger of Allah, what is one relieved and one relieved from?” The Prophet said, “The believing servant is relieved from the hardships and harms of the world to the mercy of Allah. The wicked are those from whom are relieved the servants, lands, trees, and creatures.”

However, we Muslims are supposed to have good manners and keep a good reputation so that others could benefit from it.

And even in humanity, we should not be extremely happy that someone now has almost no chances (It's upto Allah) of going to heaven.

What will the non Muslims think when a true Muslim leader dies? Should we really be the same as them?

Putting mocking pictures etc, please refrain from it. Though it is permissible to be happy about his death (due to him being extremely evil towards palestinian children), but do not mock him and keep your manners so that people instead of being pushed away from Islam, come to us, being impressed by our behavior.

Spoiler: Hadith

Al-Mughirah ibn Shu'bah reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, "Do not abuse the dead and thus harm the living."

Source: Sunan al-Tirmidhī 1982

Grade: Sahih (authentic) according to Al-Albani

Imam al-San'ani commented, "The prohibition of insulting the dead is general, including unbelievers or others."

Source: Subul al-Salām Sharh Bulūgh al-Marām 4/677

Are you Muslim?

 

[kana]

Do not celebrate publicly the death of Charlie Kirk.

First of all, we all know that indeed since he supported the killing of children, it must be condemned and he will be in hellfire and won't be able to spread agenda against saving Palestinians.

Spoiler: Hadith

Abu Qatadah reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, passed by a funeral and he said, “One is relieved and one is relieved from.” They said, “O Messenger of Allah, what is one relieved and one relieved from?” The Prophet said, “The believing servant is relieved from the hardships and harms of the world to the mercy of Allah. The wicked are those from whom are relieved the servants, lands, trees, and creatures.”

However, we Muslims are supposed to have good manners and keep a good reputation so that others could benefit from it.

And even in humanity, we should not be extremely happy that someone now has almost no chances (It's upto Allah) of going to heaven.

What will the non Muslims think when a true Muslim leader dies? Should we really be the same as them?

Putting mocking pictures etc, please refrain from it. Though it is permissible to be happy about his death (due to him being extremely evil towards palestinian children), but do not mock him and keep your manners so that people instead of being pushed away from Islam, come to us, being impressed by our behavior.

Spoiler: Hadith

Al-Mughirah ibn Shu'bah reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, "Do not abuse the dead and thus harm the living."

Source: Sunan al-Tirmidhī 1982

Grade: Sahih (authentic) according to Al-Albani

Imam al-San'ani commented, "The prohibition of insulting the dead is general, including unbelievers or others."

Source: Subul al-Salām Sharh Bulūgh al-Marām 4/677

Towards the end of his death, he began to speak out against Isr*el, and in the recent past would state he was terrified of Isr*el and whatnot. I believe he singlehandedly had the power to influence tens of millions of Americans on a long enough timeline, most especially given that he was preaching his ideals and beliefs to university students, which, once again, on a long enough timeline ... is the quickest way to politically influence a population (start with the "educated" class and move down).

As usual, upon analyzing surveillance footage and whatnot of the so-called "suspect" and the entire assassination from a bird's-eye point of view, you can put two and two together; the American government is excellent, but not perfect at covering up its covert operations.

Well, that's my opinion on the situation. With that, you can assume the true reason as to why he was assassinated.

 

[kana]

Towards the end of his death, he began to speak out against Isr*el, and in the recent past would state he was terrified of Isr*el and whatnot. I believe he singlehandedly had the power to influence tens of millions of Americans on a long enough timeline, most especially given that he was preaching his ideals and beliefs to university students, which, once again, on a long enough timeline ... is the quickest way to politically influence a population (start with the "educated" class and move down).

As usual, upon analyzing surveillance footage and whatnot of the so-called "suspect" and the entire assassination from a bird's-eye point of view, you can put two and two together; the American government is excellent, but not perfect at covering up its covert operations.

Well, that's my opinion on the situation. With that, you can assume the true reason as to why he was assassinated.

Don't know why every 100 IQ normie here is playing into the scism the Jews have bestowed upon us. Most users here are Christian, and despite Islam being an Abrahamic religion (meaning that both Christians and Muslims technically believe in the same God), Christians and Muslims here (as well as worldwide) show nothing but hatred towards each other. Haha, the big three: race + religion + politics = a divided and easy-to-conquer society.

 

[Aladin]

Don't know why every 100 IQ normie here is playing into the scism the Jews have bestowed upon us. Most users here are Christian, and despite Islam being an Abrahamic religion (meaning that both Christians and Muslims technically believe in the same God), Christians and Muslims here (as well as worldwide) show nothing but hatred towards each other. Haha, the big three: race + religion + politics = a divided and easy-to-conquer society.

No, Muslims don’t believe Jesus is God.

 

[Ogionth]

Most disingenuous post.

Most people aren’t making a mockery of Charlie Kirk. Most see him as a martyr, those who are making a mockery are seen as bad in the public view. If Muslims in general support his death that makes Muslims look bad, so it’s clear Muslims concerned with PR want to not have other Muslims celebrate,

@Swarthy Knight @Lefty Rankin

It doesn't matter whether an act makes muslims "look" bad or good as long as it's within Shari'ah

I've advised from the text itself that the better way is to neither mourn nor publicly celebrate..

He was unlawfully killed but he's not a martyr since he supported the killing of children.


*Disingenuous*

this post wasn't for you, if you're ignorant that's not my fault

 

[Ogionth]

Are you Muslim?

Obviously, how else would I know about the textual evidences? And why would I "advise" muslims if I weren't?

 

[Ogionth]

No, actually we don't care, we only care about God's command

The only reason that was said is because I provided evidence from text and so long as it says it in the text, we must follow it.

Quite literally all they care about in regards to "getting along" with others. Even their book says not to insult other faiths, but only so that they wont mock their Allah in return

So? why shouldn't such things be avoided that create disharmony among the people?

Are you a fascist?

or are you a pajeet

do you really want me to pull up what your God does? what's your religion, if you're a hindu, this is gonna be fun we're gonna see how your "god" had incest

 

[Ogionth]

Lmao such a false religion.

How does not wanting to create disharmony falsify a religion, your logic is as flawed as it can get

And it's embarrassing that you come here where you had nothing to say and were not invited?


And
What's your religion?

 

[Uehdbwidbfngj]

Obviously, how else would I know about the textual evidences? And why would I "advise" muslims if I weren't?

You don’t act like one on here

 

[Ogionth]

You don’t act like one on here

Apart from insulting others in an argument (mostly), what have I done that was not islamic or in compliance with Shari'ah?

 

[yussimania]

@Ogionth

read the story between Salim Ibn Umayr and Abu Affak

 

[Swarthy Knight]

So? why shouldn't such things be avoided that create disharmony among the people?

Are you a fascist?

or are you a pajeet

do you really want me to pull up what your God does? what's your religion, if you're a hindu, this is gonna be fun we're gonna see how your "god" had incest

Because it means that you're only looking out for your own people's interest. That's why your kind says "may Aloha snackbar save the Muzzies Inshallah" instead of "may God save everyone" or something along those lines

And I'm Buddhist, not Hindu. But see how your knee jerk reaction was to try to attack the other person's faith way to prove the point jfl.

t's okay, tho I get it. Violence and hostility is embedded in the Mudslime genes, per your Gawd's orders

 

[Ogionth]

@Ogionth

read the story between Salim Ibn Umayr and Abu Affak

give the sources of this + scholars confirming its validity

 

[Ogionth]

Because it means that you're only looking out for your own people's interest.

how? you're saying it as if we want to put to death every disbeliever, you're fucking retarded lol

That's why your kind says "may Aloha snackbar save the Muzzies Inshallah" instead of "may God save everyone" or something along those lines

what the fuck are u even talking about you ignorant fuck?

And I'm Buddhist, not Hindu. But see how your knee jerk reaction was to try to attack the other person's faith way to prove the point jfl.

So where are the buddhist 31 planes of cosmological existence with Mount Meru center?

It wasn't a knee jerk reaction, I wanted to see what made you so ignorant and hinduism is a good candidate for that

t's okay, tho I get it. Violence and hostility is embedded in the Mudslime genes, per your Gawd's orders

Unsubstantiated btw

 

[yussimania]

give the sources of this + scholars confirming its validity

Ibn Hajar's Mention of Abū 'Afak

The reference is in al-Ișābah fī Tamyīz al-Şahābah, vol. 4, p. 143 (Dār al-Kutub al-'llmiyyah print).

Ibn Hajar says (summarised and translated):

"Abū 'Afak, from the Jews of Madīnah. He was killed by Sālim ibn 'Umayr, according to the report of Ibn Ishāq.

GPT answer above

however on looking closer there is 0 isnad mentioned for ibn Ishaq and the other account has a weak "al waqidi" narrator so in actuality i don't think this is valid enough to be taken

 

[Swarthy Knight]

how? you're saying it as if we want to put to death every disbeliever, you're fucking retarded lol

You would if you could jfl. Muzzies want to implement sharia all over the globe

what the fuck are u even talking about you ignorant fuck?

You can't comprehend simple English?

So where are the buddhist 31 planes of cosmological existence with Mount Meru center?

Where's Jannah and Jahannam? Where's the evidence of your "Adam" stepping foot on my ethnic country's land?

It wasn't a knee jerk reaction, I wanted to see what made you so ignorant and hinduism is a good candidate for that

They have their own issues (caste system) but they're still light years ahead of your faith but that's not saying much tbf

 

[yussimania]

They have their own issues (caste system) but they're still light years ahead of your faith but that's not saying much tbf

 

[Ogionth]

You would if you could jfl. Muzzies want to implement sharia all over the globe

Except that shari'ah does not call for the death of all disbelievers try again

You can't comprehend simple English?

You're speaking unsubstantiated gibberish

Where's Jannah and Jahannam? Where's the evidence of your "Adam" stepping foot on my ethnic country's land?

Except that your buddhist claims are that of this world and it claims that they're present right now.

And the existence of Jannah and Jhannam and creation of Adam are not philosophically considered things that can be disproved right now because they're miracles.

Physical impossibilities are not logically impossible.

But the fact that the world exists and your buddhist claims contradict the image, that's a logical impossibility because it doesn't follow the law of non contradiction.

Nice try, but you miserably failed.

They have their own issues (caste system) but they're still light years ahead of your faith but that's not saying much tbf

It just says how ignorant you're of either religion that you believe this.

+ all claims still unsubstantiateD.

 

[Aladin]

It doesn't matter whether an act makes muslims "look" bad or good as long as it's within Shari'ah

I've advised from the text itself that the better way is to neither mourn nor publicly celebrate..

He was unlawfully killed but he's not a martyr since he supported the killing of children.


*Disingenuous*

this post wasn't for you, if you're ignorant that's not my fault

No, he is a martyr for free speech. He was shot for speaking ideas.

And the post was disingenuous.

 

[Deleted member 208062]

How did this thread go from Charlie Kirk to Hamas is genociding Jews

 

[Ogionth]

Ibn Hajar's Mention of Abū 'Afak

The reference is in al-Ișābah fī Tamyīz al-Şahābah, vol. 4, p. 143 (Dār al-Kutub al-'llmiyyah print).

Ibn Hajar says (summarised and translated):

"Abū 'Afak, from the Jews of Madīnah. He was killed by Sālim ibn 'Umayr, according to the report of Ibn Ishāq.

GPT answer above

however on looking closer there is 0 isnad mentioned for ibn Ishaq and the other account has a weak "al waqidi" narrator so in actuality i don't think this is valid enough to be taken

I also searched it and it seems to not have evidence.

I found someone talking about it but they considered it fabricated.

 

[Ogionth]

No, he is a martyr for free speech. He was shot for speaking ideas.

And the post was disingenuous.

It depends what your definition of martyrdom is.

His death was unlawful, that's true.

 

[Aladin]

How does not wanting to create disharmony falsify a religion, your logic is as flawed as it can get

Islam seeks to subjugate Jews and Christians and execute the rest.

And it's embarrassing that you come here where you had nothing to say and were not invited?

I don’t need an “invite” to post here.

 

[Aladin]

It depends what your definition of martyrdom is.

His death was unlawful, that's true.

Charlie died for a cause, free speech.

 

[Ogionth]

Islam seeks to subjugate Jews and Christians and execute the rest.

Not necessarily subjugate unless they declare war. In an Islamic country, they live freely.

I don’t need an “invite” to post here.

Well if atleast you had a brain you'd say something relevant, you brought up something which you have no knowledge about.

 

[Aladin]

Not necessarily subjugate unless they declare war. In an Islamic country, they live freely.

No Muslims tax Jews and Christians and don’t let them evengelize.

Well if atleast you had a brain you'd say something relevant, you brought up something which you have no knowledge about.

Projection. Once again I don’t need an “invite” to post here.

 

[Ogionth]

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No Muslims tax Jews and Christians and don’t let them evengelize.

The tax is for them to be protected so they don't serve in the military, or they can be sent to a nearby non muslim country with which the muslim country has a peace treaty.

The tax is way less than what you pay rn.

And Muslims pay it in another form too, Zakat, that non muslims don't

Projection. Once again I don’t need an “invite” to post here.

just saying "projection" doesn't make it projection.

did you just learn a new word buddy?

 

[javier-varela]

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Do not celebrate publicly the death of Charlie Kirk.

First of all, we all know that indeed since he supported the killing of children, it must be condemned and he will be in hellfire and won't be able to spread agenda against saving Palestinians.

Spoiler: Hadith

Abu Qatadah reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, passed by a funeral and he said, “One is relieved and one is relieved from.” They said, “O Messenger of Allah, what is one relieved and one relieved from?” The Prophet said, “The believing servant is relieved from the hardships and harms of the world to the mercy of Allah. The wicked are those from whom are relieved the servants, lands, trees, and creatures.”

However, we Muslims are supposed to have good manners and keep a good reputation so that others could benefit from it.

And even in humanity, we should not be extremely happy that someone now has almost no chances (It's upto Allah) of going to heaven.

What will the non Muslims think when a true Muslim leader dies? Should we really be the same as them?

Putting mocking pictures etc, please refrain from it. Though it is permissible to be happy about his death (due to him being extremely evil towards palestinian children), but do not mock him and keep your manners so that people instead of being pushed away from Islam, come to us, being impressed by our behavior.

Spoiler: Hadith

Al-Mughirah ibn Shu'bah reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, "Do not abuse the dead and thus harm the living."

Source: Sunan al-Tirmidhī 1982

Grade: Sahih (authentic) according to Al-Albani

Imam al-San'ani commented, "The prohibition of insulting the dead is general, including unbelievers or others."

Source: Subul al-Salām Sharh Bulūgh al-Marām 4/677

Hi ogionth havent seen u do often here

 

[Aladin]

The tax is for them to be protected so they don't serve in the military, or they can be sent to a nearby non muslim country with which the muslim country has a peace treaty.

The tax is way less than what you pay rn.

And Muslims pay it in another form too, Zakat, that non muslims don't

just saying "projection" doesn't make it projection.

did you just learn a new word buddy?

Once again, I don’t need an “invite” to post here. Gonna address that?

 

[Ogionth]

Once again, I don’t need an “invite” to post here. Gonna address that?

yes, when you're uninvited as the title says "message to" , i expect you to say things that are relevant and substantiated.

 

[Aladin]

yes, when you're uninvited as the title says "message to" , i expect you to say things that are relevant and substantiated.

“uninvited”

Nope that was t made clear and I don’t care if it was to Muslims I will post if I want.

 

[Ogionth]

“uninvited”

Nope that was t made clear and I don’t care.

it was made clear, look at the title, you're not a muslim.

 

[Aladin]

it was made clear, look at the title, you're not a muslim.

I don’t care if it was to Muslims I will post if I want.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Do not celebrate publicly the death of Charlie Kirk.

First of all, we all know that indeed since he supported the killing of children, it must be condemned and he will be in hellfire and won't be able to spread agenda against saving Palestinians.

Spoiler: Hadith

Abu Qatadah reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, passed by a funeral and he said, “One is relieved and one is relieved from.” They said, “O Messenger of Allah, what is one relieved and one relieved from?” The Prophet said, “The believing servant is relieved from the hardships and harms of the world to the mercy of Allah. The wicked are those from whom are relieved the servants, lands, trees, and creatures.”

However, we Muslims are supposed to have good manners and keep a good reputation so that others could benefit from it.

And even in humanity, we should not be extremely happy that someone now has almost no chances (It's upto Allah) of going to heaven.

What will the non Muslims think when a true Muslim leader dies? Should we really be the same as them?

Putting mocking pictures etc, please refrain from it. Though it is permissible to be happy about his death (due to him being extremely evil towards palestinian children), but do not mock him and keep your manners so that people instead of being pushed away from Islam, come to us, being impressed by our behavior.

Spoiler: Hadith

Al-Mughirah ibn Shu'bah reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, "Do not abuse the dead and thus harm the living."

Source: Sunan al-Tirmidhī 1982

Grade: Sahih (authentic) according to Al-Albani

Imam al-San'ani commented, "The prohibition of insulting the dead is general, including unbelievers or others."

Source: Subul al-Salām Sharh Bulūgh al-Marām 4/677

Allllllllllaaaaaaaahhahahhhaa huackbabrrrrr



Allllalaalallaaaaaahhhhuuuuuu ackbarrrr



Allllllllllllaaaaaaaaahuuuuuuuuoooooooo ackbar

TAKBIR X100 Akhi

 

[Ogionth]

Allllllllllaaaaaaaahhahahhhaa huackbabrrrrr



Allllalaalallaaaaaahhhhuuuuuu ackbarrrr



Allllllllllllaaaaaaaaahuuuuuuuuoooooooo ackbar

Are you mentally ill by chance?

 

[Ogionth]

Are you mentally ill by chance?

Well well well

 

[arabcell]

Do not celebrate publicly the death of Charlie Kirk.

First of all, we all know that indeed since he supported the killing of children, it must be condemned and he will be in hellfire and won't be able to spread agenda against saving Palestinians.

Spoiler: Hadith

Abu Qatadah reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, passed by a funeral and he said, “One is relieved and one is relieved from.” They said, “O Messenger of Allah, what is one relieved and one relieved from?” The Prophet said, “The believing servant is relieved from the hardships and harms of the world to the mercy of Allah. The wicked are those from whom are relieved the servants, lands, trees, and creatures.”

However, we Muslims are supposed to have good manners and keep a good reputation so that others could benefit from it.

And even in humanity, we should not be extremely happy that someone now has almost no chances (It's upto Allah) of going to heaven.

What will the non Muslims think when a true Muslim leader dies? Should we really be the same as them?

Putting mocking pictures etc, please refrain from it. Though it is permissible to be happy about his death (due to him being extremely evil towards palestinian children), but do not mock him and keep your manners so that people instead of being pushed away from Islam, come to us, being impressed by our behavior.

Spoiler: Hadith

Al-Mughirah ibn Shu'bah reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, "Do not abuse the dead and thus harm the living."

Source: Sunan al-Tirmidhī 1982

Grade: Sahih (authentic) according to Al-Albani

Imam al-San'ani commented, "The prohibition of insulting the dead is general, including unbelievers or others."

Source: Subul al-Salām Sharh Bulūgh al-Marām 4/677

holy fuck ur such a cuck to the kuffar. this is why muslims are being slaughtered. because you people will shun people fighting for themselves before the kuffar asli do. you dont care about what is halal but you care about the western peoples validation.

may Allah humiliate you even more, and either guide you or round you up with kirk in jahannam forever Allahumma ameen. dumbass jahil. idgaf about kirk after he disrespected the prophet and the lives of the muslims. jahil kadhab the narrators of the hadiths you mention would spit on you wallahi they would

 

[bakpaokukus]

 

[Ogionth]

holy fuck ur such a cuck to the kuffar. this is why muslims are being slaughtered. because you people will shun people fighting for themselves before the kuffar asli do. you dont care about what is halal but you care about the western peoples validation.

may Allah humiliate you even more, and either guide you or round you up with kirk in jahannam forever Allahumma ameen. dumbass jahil. idgaf about kirk after he disrespected the prophet and the lives of the muslims. jahil kadhab the narrators of the hadiths you mention would spit on you wallahi they would

1. By your manners, I can tell what type of upbringing you have had and great that you displayed it here for all of us to see.

2. According to all 4 madhabs, this way of killing specifically, was unlawful as the punitive laws have to be carried out by a legitimate islamic authority (judge, govt or ruler).

3. I only advocated for *neither mourn nor celebrate* which can be proven from the sources and is in accordance with scholarly opinions, celebrating an unlawful way of killing which is against the rulings of Allah is not permissible.

4. Keep your emotions aside and look at the situation through a logical lens, you have no control over your emotions hence why such a baseless response.

5. It is not me being a cuck, it is you not following Islam

May Allah guide you, because you lack intelligence in a very intense manner.


@Ghoulish What do you think about this?

 

[Ogionth]

1. By your manners, I can tell what type of upbringing you have had and great that you displayed it here for all of us to see.

2. According to all 4 madhabs, this way of killing specifically, was unlawful as the punitive laws have to be carried out by a legitimate islamic authority (judge, govt or ruler).

3. I only advocated for *neither mourn nor celebrate* which can be proven from the sources and is in accordance with scholarly opinions, celebrating an unlawful way of killing which is against the rulings of Allah is not permissible.

4. Keep your emotions aside and look at the situation through a logical lens, you have no control over your emotions hence why such a baseless response.

5. It is not me being a cuck, it is you not following Islam

May Allah guide you, because you lack intelligence in a very intense manner.


@Ghoulish What do you think about this?

And this screenshot is you telling other people to gamble?

 

[arabcell]

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[arabcell]

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