Midface shortening: possible or not?

[WannaBeA6]

Maxillary impaction? CCW? Lip lift? Soft tissue?

I just wish there was consensus about this thing

 

[Alexanderr]

I don’t think it is, but then again, I haven’t researched the topic well since it’s not relevant to me and my midface ratio of 1.15

 

[Slayerino]

There was a pretty brutal surgery never done on anyone, where they cut you all around the suborbitals, basically the lefort3 area cut and shave away mms of nasion, then screw the bone. I wish I could find that pic again.

 

[PubertyMaxxer]

my midface ratio of 1.15

Damn that's terrible

 

[Alexanderr]

Damn that's terrible

It really is. Just rope unless you’ve got a midface ratio of 1.3

 

[WannaBeA6]

There was a pretty brutal surgery never done on anyone, where they cut you all around the suborbitals, basically the lefort3 area cut and shave away mms of nasion, then screw the bone. I wish I could find that pic again.

Would gladly do it
my ratio is 0.94

 

[PubertyMaxxer]

It really is. Just rope unless you’ve got a midface ratio of 1.3

Just look like a newborn theory

You would probably look better at 1.05 midface ratio

 

[Alexanderr]

Just look like a newborn theory

You would probably look better at 1.05 midface ratio

Yeah, no.

 

[Deleted member 1849]

I don’t think it is, but then again, I haven’t researched the topic well since it’s not relevant to me and my midface ratio of 1.15

1.0 midface gang checking in. 2.0 FWHR too

 

[LordNorwood]

There's no real way to shorten the nose and I doubt there ever will be ngl

 

[Greeicy]

Not possible because of soft tissue and even if, theoretically, you wanted to just shorten the maxilla alone while keeping the soft tissue the same (which would be weird since the results would look like shit) then you have to remember that the skull is 3-dimensional and there has to be a cut made in the whole entire middle third of the skull, then the remaining upper and lower sections that were separated when the middle third portion of the skull was removed would have to be compressed together and fixed up by screws. If the skull is made more compact, then you’ll have a problem with how the brain will fit in the smaller, more compact skull. There will NEVER be a midface shortening surgery.

 

[WannaBeA6]

There's no real way to shorten the nose and I doubt there ever will be ngl

enlighten me, the midface is measured from the eyes to the bottom of the philtrum, how would shortening your nose help it?

Not possible because of soft tissue and even if, theoretically, you wanted to just shorten the maxilla alone while keeping the soft tissue the same (which would be weird since the results would look like shit) then you have to remember that the skull is 3-dimensional and there has to be a cut made in the whole entire middle third of the skull, then the remaining upper and lower sections that were separated when the middle third portion of the skull was removed would have to be compressed together and fixed up by screws. If the skull is made more compact, then you’ll have a problem with how the brain will fit in the smaller, more compact skull. There will NEVER be a midface shortening surgery.

Interesting, what about this cope? https://looksmax.org/threads/long-midface-can-be-fixed.30640/

 

[Greeicy]

enlighten me, the midface is measured from the eyes to the bottom of the philtrum, how would shortening your nose help it?

Interesting, what about this cope? https://looksmax.org/threads/long-midface-can-be-fixed.30640/

You can obviously see that her nose is compact and didn’t change a single mm in the after pic. Her philtrum is shorter because the soft tissue was made shorter as well with a lip lifts which is easily done. Most users here who have a long midface have a long nose, not a long philtrum.

 

[Kade]

enlighten me, the midface is measured from the eyes to the bottom of the philtrum, how would shortening your nose help it?

Interesting, what about this cope? https://looksmax.org/threads/long-midface-can-be-fixed.30640/

Only if you have a gummy smile, and long philtrum, can this help

if you have no gum show in your smile and your philtrum isn’t long, there is nothing you can do

 

[LordNorwood]

enlighten me, the midface is measured from the eyes to the bottom of the philtrum, how would shortening your nose help it?

nigga
where is your nose located

 

[Patient A]

nigga
where is your nose located

Left nipple

 

[LordNorwood]

Left nipple

 

[WannaBeA6]

You can obviously see that her nose is compact and didn’t change a single mm in the after pic. Her philtrum is shorter because the soft tissue was made shorter as well with a lip lifts which is easily done. Most users here who have a long midface have a long nose, not a long philtrum.

I see I see, how long is yours btw?

nigga
where is your nose located

I mean, so theoretically shortening the nose would bring the face closer? is that it?

Only if you have a gummy smile, and long philtrum, can this help

if you have no gum show in your smile and your philtrum isn’t long, there is nothing you can do

welp, I have a gummy smile, how to check if my philtrum is long?

 

[Greeicy]

I see I see, how long is yours btw?

I mean, so theoretically shortening the nose would bring the face closer? is that it?

welp, I have a gummy smile, how to check if my philtrum is long?

My nose is 6.3cm measured from the lower eyelids to the base of my nose.

 

[DrOtaku]

Maxillary impaction? CCW? Lip lift? Soft tissue?

I just wish there was consensus about this thing

Its feasible through dental work which is a softer max. Lefort is there too... but fuck that lmao. I REALLY like AGGA+MSE. If you do both of those at the same time it's a pretty good ascension. Very costly though. Simple things like invisalign/ expanders could show minimal change, mostly cope though.

 

[Kade]

I see I see, how long is yours btw?

I mean, so theoretically shortening the nose would bring the face closer? is that it?

welp, I have a gummy smile, how to check if my philtrum is long?

then that’s lifefuel for you, you can get maxillary impaction and it can help your harmony. The philtrum is the indented space between the mouth and the nose

It is a common trait to have with maxillary excess that isn’t due to a long nose

Just look up long philtrum or pm/post pics and ppl can tell you

 

[LordNorwood]

I see I see, how long is yours btw?

I mean, so theoretically shortening the nose would bring the face closer? is that it?

welp, I have a gummy smile, how to check if my philtrum is long?

Shortening the nose would shorten the midface, making the midface ratio higher

 

[WannaBeA6]

then that’s lifefuel for you, you can get maxillary impaction and it can help your harmony. The philtrum is the indented space between the mouth and the nose

It is a common trait to have with maxillary excess that isn’t due to a long nose

Just look up long philtrum or pm/post pics and ppl can tell you

It's around 19-20 mm and my chin to philtrum ratio is only 1.83, so there's hope? FUARK

 

[BonesAndHarmony]

My nose is 6.3cm measured from the lower eyelids to the base of my nose.

6.3 cm from lower eyelid? Is that even possible? My nose is 6 cm from nasion to base of nose and I already feel like a horse

 

[Greeicy]

6.3 cm from lower eyelid? Is that even possible? My nose is 6 cm from nasion to base of nose and I already feel like a horse

Just measured again it’s actually around 6cm. I made mistake by measuring from lower lids to mouth area.

 

[BonesAndHarmony]

Just measured again it’s actually around 6cm. I made mistake by measuring from lower lids to mouth area.

6 cm from nasion to base of the nose?

 

[Deleted member 2661]

The only legit way

 

[Deleted member 2748]

I don’t think it is, but then again, I haven’t researched the topic well since it’s not relevant to me and my midface ratio of 1.15

this is what i think of when i see people here bragging about muh gigacompact midface

 

[Greeicy]

6 cm from nasion to base of the nose?

Like this

this is what i think of when i see people here bragging about muh gigacompact midface
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Coping hard I see.

 

[Deleted member 2661]

this is what i think of when i see people here bragging about muh gigacompact midface
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[Deleted member 5632]

My midface ratio is 1.1

 

[Mr.cope]

Just look like a newborn theory

You would probably look better at 1.05 midface ratio

C O P E

 

[Deleted member 2748]

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Like this

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Coping hard I see.

sorry i don't talk to airstrip midfaced subhumans

 

[Mr.cope]

ANYTHING LOWER THAN 1 IS SUBHUMAN. 1 IS JUST THE BARE MINIMUM SO BASICALLY ANYTHING THATS NOT COMPACT (UNDER 1.1) ITS OVER

 

[FutureMogger]

I am coping with facepulling in theory it’s the only thing that could change your midface length atm

 

[Greeicy]

sorry i don't talk to airstrip midfaced subhumans

You probably are one yourself seeing how hard you are coping.

 

[Deleted member 2661]

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I still think your mouth area is your biggest failo

 

[Greeicy]

I still think your mouth area is your biggest failo

Yup I think my mouth area looks like shit TBH. It looks weird for some reason but beard frauding covers it up for me.

 

[Deleted member 5892]

is 5cm nose length from nasion to the bottom of the nose good ?

 

[Deleted member 2748]

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just post 99th percentile guys who happen to have a compact midface
most guys here with 1.1+ midfaces look like stunted frogs
are you just gonna ignore the fact that leo would look much more harmonious and less childish with an ever so slightly longer midface ? we all have seen the morphs. look them up if you don't believe
yes compact midface is good but once it's way too compact it just looks retarded
i swear aspies take a theory and drive It up to the extremes ALWAYS, no in between

 

[Deleted member 3259]

lip lift

 

[Deleted member 2661]

Yup I think my mouth area looks like shit TBH. It looks weird for some reason but beard frauding covers it up for me.
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Looks much better, your mouth area makes you look beta and unintimidating

just post 99th percentile guys who happen to have a compact midface
most guys here with 1.1+ midfaces look like stunted frogs
are you just gonna ignore the fact that leo would look much more harmonious and less childish with an ever so slightly longer midface ? we all have seen the morphs. look them up if you don't believe
yes compact midface is good but once it's way too compact it just looks retarded
i swear aspies take a theory and drive It up to the extremes ALWAYS, no in between

Not a word faggot

 

[Deleted member 3591]

My midface ratio is 1.1

Pretty much perfect

 

[Deleted member 2748]

is 5cm nose length from nasion to the bottom of the nose good ?

yes

 

[Gunna]

ANYTHING LOWER THAN 1 IS SUBHUMAN. 1 IS JUST THE BARE MINIMUM SO BASICALLY ANYTHING THATS NOT COMPACT (UNDER 1.1) ITS OVER

over for gandy then

 

[Deleted member 2748]

ANYTHING LOWER THAN 1 IS SUBHUMAN. 1 IS JUST THE BARE MINIMUM SO BASICALLY ANYTHING THATS NOT COMPACT (UNDER 1.1) ITS OVER

prime chico on suicide watch
gandy on suicide watch
somerhalder on suicide watch
ballou on suicide watch
i could go on btw

 

[Hades]

I need this. My ratio is .97

 

[Dude420]

Maxillary impaction? CCW? Lip lift? Soft tissue?

I just wish there was consensus about this thing

From someone who is 8 months post-op of 6 degrees of CCW impaction. I wasn't sure, I felt it should shorten, but the surgeon told my lips should be about the same. The reality is that my lips are much more in contact with one another to the point where it is uncomfortable, they are visibly puffier, and you can clearly see some excess protrusion at the lips area from the side that wasn't there before, meaning I now have an excess amount of skin in that area. So the answer is yes, my philtrum area is smaller, I will get a lip lift for sure for that reason.
What you have to keep in mind is that the typical occlusal plane is on average 8 degrees downward relative to the frankfurt plane, so if you only do a forward advancement your face will actually get longer.
And also the forward advancement stretches the skin, so if you do very little impaction, it will balance out and the philtrum will look about the same, you need a good amount of impaction in order to be in a position where you need a lip lift.

Btw, I am very busy right now, so I probably won't answer further replies, hope this covers well.

Not possible because of soft tissue and even if, theoretically, you wanted to just shorten the maxilla alone while keeping the soft tissue the same (which would be weird since the results would look like shit) then you have to remember that the skull is 3-dimensional and there has to be a cut made in the whole entire middle third of the skull, then the remaining upper and lower sections that were separated when the middle third portion of the skull was removed would have to be compressed together and fixed up by screws. If the skull is made more compact, then you’ll have a problem with how the brain will fit in the smaller, more compact skull. There will NEVER be a midface shortening surgery.

You are retarded. Orthognathic surgeries have no impact whatsoever on the cranial base.

 

[Greeicy]

From someone who is 8 months post-op of 6 degrees of CCW impaction. I wasn't sure, I felt it should shorten, but the surgeon told my lips should be about the same. The reality is that my lips are much more in contact with one another to the point where it is uncomfortable, they are visibly puffier, and you can clearly see some excess protrusion at the lips area from the side that wasn't there before, meaning I now have an excess amount of skin in that area. So the answer is yes, my philtrum area is smaller, I will get a lip lift for sure for that reason.
What you have to keep in mind is that the typical occlusal plane is about 8 degrees downward relative to the frankfurt plane, so if you only do a forward advancement your face will actually get longer.
And also the forward advancement stretches the skin, so if you do very little impaction, it will balance out and the philtrum will look about the same, you need a good amount of impaction in order to be in a position where you need a lip lift.

Btw, I am very busy right now, so I probably won't answer further replies, hope this covers well.


You are retarded. Orthognathic surgeries have no impact whatsoever on the cranial base.

Either way, the problem of soft tissue can never be fixed. And for an effective midface shortening surgery your whole entire face soft tissue would have to be peeled off like a banana (that’s if you find a way to make the soft tissue as compact as the maxilla).

 

[PubertyMaxxer]

Not a word faggot