Most of men's insecurities and "toxic masculinity" are caused by women

[Tryingtoascend]

Growing up I was never toxic competitive or conscious of my height, I actually thought differences in people were part of what made each one unique etc etc. I never thought I had to be dominant or know how to fight let alone bottling up my feelings etc. Growing up, learning about what women want I always feel short and dysphoric about my body, I feel a need to be pretty and a fighting machine at the same time, I feel threatened every time a man who's either better looking or more physically dominant is around and all that because I came to understand what women not just want but often expect.

I'll never be the same, and I really don't blame them for it, as much as I do society for encouraging it while still doing a good enough job to cover it up as normal and a result of "patriarchy" which you as a man are also responsible for.

 

[New Poster]

bullying from other men plays a small part too

 

[NuclearBrainReturns]

bullying from other men plays a small part too

which inevitably comes from wanting to be around cool people not losers in order to gain more access to women.

women cause most suffering interpersonally.

 

[Tryingtoascend]

bullying from other men plays a small part too

Oh well definitely I just didn't think to mention it because it hasn't been my experience

 

[Tryingtoascend]

which inevitably comes from wanting to be around cool people not losers in order to gain more access to women.

women cause most suffering interpersonally.

Agreed, plus loser is a gendered term. Think about it

 

[New Poster]

which inevitably comes from wanting to be around cool people not losers in order to gain more access to women.

women cause most suffering interpersonally.

And guys just don't like weakness. Any vulnerability is immediately commented on.

 

[190cm90kg]

nothing u typed make sense. its natural to become consious of your body and looks when hit puberty it wasnt some random ideology women cast unto men

 

[NuclearBrainReturns]

And guys just don't like weakness. Any vulnerability is immediately commented on.

the reason it is commented on is because it makes the group look vulnerable which means women wont date them. It always comes back to reproduction.

 

[NuclearBrainReturns]

nothing u typed make sense. its natural to become consious of your body and looks when hit puberty it wasnt some random ideology women cast unto men

that is also true

 

[New Poster]

the reason it is commented on is because it makes the group look vulnerable which means women wont date them. It always comes back to reproduction.

Nah, I think it's more innate. Like 2nd graders will do this shit.

 

[NuclearBrainReturns]

Nah, I think it's more innate. Like 2nd graders will do this shit.

just because pre-pubescents do this doesnt mean it still isnt linked to reproductive success. Why do pre-pubescents also make fun of short people or retarded people. Its to ostracise them so they dont make the genepool weaker.

 

[New Poster]

just because pre-pubescents do this doesnt mean it still isnt linked to reproductive success. Why do pre-pubescents also make fun of short people or retarded people. Its to ostracise them so they dont make the genepool weaker.

If you're going to zoom out that much, then everything is about reproduction/survival. But that's not really a helpful lens. It just becomes tautological at some point.

 

[Tryingtoascend]

nothing u typed make sense. its natural to become consious of your body and looks when hit puberty it wasnt some random ideology women cast unto men

That happened after puberty, actually it happened after high school. I was just clueless throughout school

 

[Tryingtoascend]

that is also true

It wasn't my experience tbh

 

[190cm90kg]

That happened after puberty, actually it happened after high school. I was just clueless throughout school

having enough looks and size to fend off other male while having access to female is a concept every mammal is subconciously aware of. clearly u have some brain deficiency if it took u this long to understand the basic premise of reproduction

 

[NuclearBrainReturns]

If you're going to zoom out that much, then everything is about reproduction/survival. But that's not really a helpful lens. It just becomes tautological at some point.

You're right but I'm not really zooming out too much. Bullying happens because regardless of pubertal stage, there is still a part of the brain that recognises it. Being racist is about reproductive survival, having a particular ideology is about what that person thinks will allow them to be reproductively successful.

There are things outside of that like spiritual beliefs that are outwith reproduction but there isnt much else.

 

[New Poster]

You're right but I'm not really zooming out too much. Bullying happens because regardless of pubertal stage, there is still a part of the brain that recognises it. Being racist is about reproductive survival, having a particular ideology is about what that person thinks will allow them to be reproductively successful.

There are things outside of that like spiritual beliefs that are outwith reproduction but there isnt much else.

I just mean that, sure, everything is darwinian, but bullying isn't consciously about getting girls. People just have an adverse reaction to male weakness and loserdom in itself. They psychologically hate it -- even if the reasons for that psychology are evolutionary.

 

[Tryingtoascend]

having enough looks and size to fend off other male while having access to female is a concept every mammal is subconciously aware of. clearly u have some brain deficiency if it took u this long to understand the basic premise of reproduction

It's not about that but anyway you seem to just wanna argue so I won't bother explaining

 

[190cm90kg]

It's not about that but anyway you seem to just wanna argue so I won't bother explaining

im not arguing anything u just have a brain deficiency. people like u make up words like toxic masculinity associating ideas with circular definitions because nobody knows what anyone is saying. ur trying to victimize urself putting blame on women for being true to their nature

 

[Tryingtoascend]

im not arguing anything u just have a brain deficiency. people like u make up words like toxic masculinity associating ideas with circular definitions because nobody knows what anyone is saying. ur trying to victimize urself putting blame on women for being true to their nature

Bruh.... I literally said I don't blame them in my original post. If that's their nature so be it my issue is different. Anyway we a bunch of fucking primates anyway