Most of you guys don't even belong here.

[got.daim]

Ya bro I’d appreciate if you could

here or pms?

PMs preferably, I do not want to be disrespectful and publicly expose a (presumably) dead man's work

Esp since I respect sergeant heavily, for his work in regards to the community

Thank you bhai It was her bday today we had a great dinner although socializing with her family and not being overly nd was very difficult

yeah... I have no wise words for this unfortunately, other than you got this man!! Go get that hand in marriage!!

 

[Johnmogs2145]

PMs preferably, I do not want to be disrespectful and publicly expose a (presumably) dead man's work

Esp since I respect sergeant heavily, for his work in regards to the community

yeah... I have no wise words for this unfortunately, other than you got this man!! Go get that hand in marriage!!

Ya I gotyu I didn’t know he was dead..I’m guessing rope considering this forums reputation

Thanks dude

We’re gonna be juniors next year in hs but we’re moving in tg for colloge then we plan on getting married in a couple years

 

[got.daim]

Ya I gotyu I didn’t know he was dead..I’m guessing rope considering this forums reputation

He got doxxed by the BBC and some other big networks, he made this forum, SaSu, incels.is, neets.net, and some other stuff

We’re gonna be juniors next year in hs but we’re moving in tg for colloge then we plan on getting married in a couple years

AYYY w man, teen romance

 

[Johnmogs2145]

He got doxxed by the BBC and some other big networks, he made this forum, SaSu, incels.is, neets.net, and some other stuff

AYYY w man, teen romance

Oh I see I’m not very well educated with all the org lore ik there’s a lot

i’ve heard lookism was the best forum tho

thanks boyo

 

[got.daim]

i’ve heard lookism was the best forum tho

Eh, it was peak because there were a lot of new users and enough old users so where it'd be funny to troll the new people and the new people also got advice, so it was a win win situation

Imo puah8 sluth8 and the other splinters were peak for philosophy, if anything lukzim was just circus and looksmaxing

 

[Johnmogs2145]

Eh, it was peak because there were a lot of new users and enough old users so where it'd be funny to troll the new people and the new people also got advice, so it was a win win situation

Imo puah8 sluth8 and the other splinters were peak for philosophy, if anything lukzim was just circus and looksmaxing

ahh so lukzim is basically what org is now

bp philosophy hella underrated a lot of people interpret it wrong it’s more then just looks

grey pilled for life

 

[killcry]

Okay lewis

 

[Latinolooksmaxxer]

Only ethnics

 

[got.daim]

ahh so lukzim is basically what org is now

Nah, org is legit just newfags bashing on newfags

bp philosophy hella underrated a lot of people interpret it wrong it’s more then just looks

sadly

 

[DylanTheincel]

Not in a gatekeeping oldfag "I’m the realest truecel” way, in the actual diagnostic sense, most of you guys don't actually belong here

This space (looksmax, blackpill, incel forums, the whole orbit) used to be for guys whose problem was primarily genetic/looks-based from the jump (Truecels essentially), the ones who were cooked early

The people I see on the forums (in the modern sense) are the ones this 4chan greentext was talking about when it said the average guy just exists and milestones happen without conscious effort, high school girlfriend, job, house, kids, no self-improvement required
View attachment 5482055
This post was half right and half wrong

It was right that normal people's lives used to just.. happen, if they weren’t genetic dead ends, it was wrong in assuming that the only people who miss those milestones are mutants, because the contemporary data has shifted HARD

Less than half of 12th graders go on dates now, the percentage of 30-year-olds who are both married and homeowners has collapsed from over 50% in the mid-20th century to around 10% in the early 2020s, social and economic decay is real, atomization is real, the dating market is harder, the job market is harder, the “natural flow” that used to carry mid-tier and even some low-tier guys into a normal life is broken for a much larger share of the population

So what happens?

Guys who could have been normies 20-30 years ago hit the wall, no girlfriend in high school or college, struggling to get a real job or afford independence, no natural social momentum, they start searching for an explanation, and the blackpill (and its looksmax cousin) is sitting right there, ready with a complete worldview: lookism is absolute, hierarchy is fixed, most of you are cooked, here’s the PSL scale, here’s why nothing you do will matter unless you ascend

A big chunk of the current user base is not truecels, they are failed normies

Their primary problem is often social, mental, economic, or a combination (essentially mentalcels), not pure genetic shit that put them in the bottom 5-10%, a lot of you guys would have been mid or even high-tier normies in a healthier society, you just have enough raw material that, in a different environment, the milestones would have just happened, instead you got the broken version of modernity, hit the wall, and ended up here

You see it in the content shift too, the explosion of “loser confessional” videos - zoomers in a dimly lit room or car talking about the job market, dating, how nothing is working - these rack up views because they resonate with a growing pool of failed normies, not because every viewer is a genetic subhuman, some of it is even content-farmed (AI scripts, high output for the algorithm), the space has become a magnet for people who are failing the normal path, not just the ones who never had a chance at it

Truecels still exist (obv), the ones who were never going to get the natural flow no matter the era, our diagnosis is different, for us the blackpill is more descriptive of their actual situation, but we are no longer the majority of the people consuming and posting this stuff

Most of the current volume is failed normies who found a framework that explained their suffering, gave them a hierarchy to place themselves in, and offered a (usually hopeless) path of “ascension"

The distinction matters a LOT, if your main issues are social skills, mental health, discipline, environment, economic position, or just being born into a decaying social fabric, treating yourself like a pure genetic dead end can become a self-fulfilling trap, you start optimizing for the wrong variables or, worse, internalizing that it’s completely over when it isn’t, looks matter, but the idea that the only people who struggle are the bottom of the PSL scale is outdated, the environment got worse, more people are getting filtered out of the normal path

This is why the space feels flooded, and why a lot of the advice and the fatalism gets applied to people it wasn’t originally calibrated for

Most of you don’t belong here in the original sense of the term, you belong to a larger, newer category of men who got hit by systemic decay instead of (or on top of) pure lookism, the blackpill became popular not because society suddenly produced way more genetic mutants, but because the old automatic escalator to a normal life broke for a much bigger percentage of guys

---

Spoiler: Sources

https://unherd.com/newsroom/american-teenagers-are-dating-less-than-ever/
https://ifstudies.org/insights?id=3851

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/...dating-and-sex-hit-record-lows-recent-decades

@trvechud @Gengar’s Ghost @Pento

Not me bra… im a stone cold truecel. And remember appeal>psl and mewing session minimum 5 mins a day to ascend and have chico psl and Dancing abs

 

[Looshmaxxed]

Hail Ted K.

 

[got.daim]

Hail Ted K.

Trve..

 

[iblamemyhabits]

the only requirement someone needs to come across this forum is insecurity

 

[Scars]

Not in a gatekeeping oldfag "I’m the realest truecel” way, in the actual diagnostic sense, most of you guys don't actually belong here

This space (looksmax, blackpill, incel forums, the whole orbit) used to be for guys whose problem was primarily genetic/looks-based from the jump (Truecels essentially), the ones who were cooked early

The people I see on the forums (in the modern sense) are the ones this 4chan greentext was talking about when it said the average guy just exists and milestones happen without conscious effort, high school girlfriend, job, house, kids, no self-improvement required
View attachment 5482055
This post was half right and half wrong

It was right that normal people's lives used to just.. happen, if they weren’t genetic dead ends, it was wrong in assuming that the only people who miss those milestones are mutants, because the contemporary data has shifted HARD

Less than half of 12th graders go on dates now, the percentage of 30-year-olds who are both married and homeowners has collapsed from over 50% in the mid-20th century to around 10% in the early 2020s, social and economic decay is real, atomization is real, the dating market is harder, the job market is harder, the “natural flow” that used to carry mid-tier and even some low-tier guys into a normal life is broken for a much larger share of the population

So what happens?

Guys who could have been normies 20-30 years ago hit the wall, no girlfriend in high school or college, struggling to get a real job or afford independence, no natural social momentum, they start searching for an explanation, and the blackpill (and its looksmax cousin) is sitting right there, ready with a complete worldview: lookism is absolute, hierarchy is fixed, most of you are cooked, here’s the PSL scale, here’s why nothing you do will matter unless you ascend

A big chunk of the current user base is not truecels, they are failed normies

Their primary problem is often social, mental, economic, or a combination (essentially mentalcels), not pure genetic shit that put them in the bottom 5-10%, a lot of you guys would have been mid or even high-tier normies in a healthier society, you just have enough raw material that, in a different environment, the milestones would have just happened, instead you got the broken version of modernity, hit the wall, and ended up here

You see it in the content shift too, the explosion of “loser confessional” videos - zoomers in a dimly lit room or car talking about the job market, dating, how nothing is working - these rack up views because they resonate with a growing pool of failed normies, not because every viewer is a genetic subhuman, some of it is even content-farmed (AI scripts, high output for the algorithm), the space has become a magnet for people who are failing the normal path, not just the ones who never had a chance at it

Truecels still exist (obv), the ones who were never going to get the natural flow no matter the era, our diagnosis is different, for us the blackpill is more descriptive of their actual situation, but we are no longer the majority of the people consuming and posting this stuff

Most of the current volume is failed normies who found a framework that explained their suffering, gave them a hierarchy to place themselves in, and offered a (usually hopeless) path of “ascension"

The distinction matters a LOT, if your main issues are social skills, mental health, discipline, environment, economic position, or just being born into a decaying social fabric, treating yourself like a pure genetic dead end can become a self-fulfilling trap, you start optimizing for the wrong variables or, worse, internalizing that it’s completely over when it isn’t, looks matter, but the idea that the only people who struggle are the bottom of the PSL scale is outdated, the environment got worse, more people are getting filtered out of the normal path

This is why the space feels flooded, and why a lot of the advice and the fatalism gets applied to people it wasn’t originally calibrated for

Most of you don’t belong here in the original sense of the term, you belong to a larger, newer category of men who got hit by systemic decay instead of (or on top of) pure lookism, the blackpill became popular not because society suddenly produced way more genetic mutants, but because the old automatic escalator to a normal life broke for a much bigger percentage of guys

---

Spoiler: Sources

https://unherd.com/newsroom/american-teenagers-are-dating-less-than-ever/
https://ifstudies.org/insights?id=3851

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/...dating-and-sex-hit-record-lows-recent-decades

@trvechud @Gengar’s Ghost @Pento

so true

 

[superpsycho]

good thread, the time period pill is brutal. we are in a decayed society.

but honestly, lower end normies/nearcels belong in these spaces more than truecels. let’s face it, you can’t do shit to fix your life if you’re seriously truecel. looksmaxxing wont do anything. but if you are just below average looking and have easily fixable failos the looksmaxxing shit will take you very far. the issue arises when these lower end normies/nearcels seep into actual incel spaces, rendering this place, to them, a mere gateway to communities/forums that aren’t designed for them. instead of using the looksmax forum for its intended purpose and taking control of their lives, a lot of them just become persuaded to rot and that it’s over. that’s why there are so many fakecels in “actual” incel spaces. i mean, in the grand scheme of things, the only purpose of this place is to be a containment zone for an incel forum; but that’s a topic for another day. not like you can actually verify who is actually incel and who isn’t as it is but i digress.

imagine being a young normie mentalcel who gets into these spaces at like 14-15 and is immediately convinced that it’s over and that they should kill themselves and they end up being a prisoner of their own shit brain chemistry and soon enough they’re 25 years old schizo KHHV and wasted all that time when they probably didn’t even have to change that much about themselves to live like a normie. brutal shit. anyways, sperg rant over.

 

[got.daim]

good thread, the time period pill is brutal. we are in a decayed society.

but honestly, lower end normies/nearcels belong in these spaces more than truecels. let’s face it, you can’t do shit to fix your life if you’re seriously truecel. looksmaxxing wont do anything. but if you are just below average looking and have easily fixable failos the looksmaxxing shit will take you very far. the issue arises when these lower end normies/nearcels seep into actual incel spaces, rendering this place, to them, a mere gateway to communities/forums that aren’t designed for them. instead of using the looksmax forum for its intended purpose and taking control of their lives, a lot of them just become persuaded to rot and that it’s over. that’s why there are so many fakecels in “actual” incel spaces. i mean, in the grand scheme of things, the only purpose of this place is to be a containment zone for an incel forum; but that’s a topic for another day. not like you can actually verify who is actually incel and who isn’t as it is but i digress.

imagine being a young normie mentalcel who gets into these spaces at like 14-15 and is immediately convinced that it’s over and that they should kill themselves and they end up being a prisoner of their own shit brain chemistry and soon enough they’re 25 years old schizo KHHV and wasted all that time when they probably didn’t even have to change that much about themselves to live like a normie. brutal shit. anyways, sperg rant over.

Very true, you're probably going to like my upcoming thread, it follows a very similar theme of your rant, I could give you a mention if you're interested

 

[superpsycho]

Very true, you're probably going to like my upcoming thread, it follows a very similar theme of your rant, I could give you a mention if you're interested

sure. i will read it.

 

[yungangel78]

Not in a gatekeeping oldfag "I’m the realest truecel” way, in the actual diagnostic sense, most of you guys don't actually belong here

This space (looksmax, blackpill, incel forums, the whole orbit) used to be for guys whose problem was primarily genetic/looks-based from the jump (Truecels essentially), the ones who were cooked early

The people I see on the forums (in the modern sense) are the ones this 4chan greentext was talking about when it said the average guy just exists and milestones happen without conscious effort, high school girlfriend, job, house, kids, no self-improvement required
View attachment 5482055
This post was half right and half wrong

It was right that normal people's lives used to just.. happen, if they weren’t genetic dead ends, it was wrong in assuming that the only people who miss those milestones are mutants, because the contemporary data has shifted HARD

Less than half of 12th graders go on dates now, the percentage of 30-year-olds who are both married and homeowners has collapsed from over 50% in the mid-20th century to around 10% in the early 2020s, social and economic decay is real, atomization is real, the dating market is harder, the job market is harder, the “natural flow” that used to carry mid-tier and even some low-tier guys into a normal life is broken for a much larger share of the population

So what happens?

Guys who could have been normies 20-30 years ago hit the wall, no girlfriend in high school or college, struggling to get a real job or afford independence, no natural social momentum, they start searching for an explanation, and the blackpill (and its looksmax cousin) is sitting right there, ready with a complete worldview: lookism is absolute, hierarchy is fixed, most of you are cooked, here’s the PSL scale, here’s why nothing you do will matter unless you ascend

A big chunk of the current user base is not truecels, they are failed normies

Their primary problem is often social, mental, economic, or a combination (essentially mentalcels), not pure genetic shit that put them in the bottom 5-10%, a lot of you guys would have been mid or even high-tier normies in a healthier society, you just have enough raw material that, in a different environment, the milestones would have just happened, instead you got the broken version of modernity, hit the wall, and ended up here

You see it in the content shift too, the explosion of “loser confessional” videos - zoomers in a dimly lit room or car talking about the job market, dating, how nothing is working - these rack up views because they resonate with a growing pool of failed normies, not because every viewer is a genetic subhuman, some of it is even content-farmed (AI scripts, high output for the algorithm), the space has become a magnet for people who are failing the normal path, not just the ones who never had a chance at it

Truecels still exist (obv), the ones who were never going to get the natural flow no matter the era, our diagnosis is different, for us the blackpill is more descriptive of their actual situation, but we are no longer the majority of the people consuming and posting this stuff

Most of the current volume is failed normies who found a framework that explained their suffering, gave them a hierarchy to place themselves in, and offered a (usually hopeless) path of “ascension"

The distinction matters a LOT, if your main issues are social skills, mental health, discipline, environment, economic position, or just being born into a decaying social fabric, treating yourself like a pure genetic dead end can become a self-fulfilling trap, you start optimizing for the wrong variables or, worse, internalizing that it’s completely over when it isn’t, looks matter, but the idea that the only people who struggle are the bottom of the PSL scale is outdated, the environment got worse, more people are getting filtered out of the normal path

This is why the space feels flooded, and why a lot of the advice and the fatalism gets applied to people it wasn’t originally calibrated for

Most of you don’t belong here in the original sense of the term, you belong to a larger, newer category of men who got hit by systemic decay instead of (or on top of) pure lookism, the blackpill became popular not because society suddenly produced way more genetic mutants, but because the old automatic escalator to a normal life broke for a much bigger percentage of guys

---

Spoiler: Sources

https://unherd.com/newsroom/american-teenagers-are-dating-less-than-ever/
https://ifstudies.org/insights?id=3851

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/...dating-and-sex-hit-record-lows-recent-decades

@trvechud @Gengar’s Ghost @Pento

Valid points but tbh ur quite frankly delusional if u dont understand these spaces have never been for truecels only. Its always been a debate about whether who truly belongs (by the virtue of being a truecel) and who doesn’t but to be honest anybody who’s truly a blackpiller belongs period.

Not to mention this specific forum was never catered towards truecels.

Going back to lookism this debate was always omnipresent as lookism was filled with both truecels and a bunch of HTNs that were far from being virgins but the blackpill resonates with whoever it resonates. Theres always been fairly good looking people on these forums that 1. Were autistic 2. Simply wanted MORE, and the blackpill through looksmaxing offered a way.

I’d make the argument that the title of your thread is totally correct but the real reason why most don’t truly belong here is not because they’re not truecels but rather because they’re borderline turbo normies (mentally, not looks wise) that would’ve never found ts back in 2019 (and that was already late as lookism was in its dying legs) before little by little pieces of the puzzle started going viral on different corners of tik tok culminating with claviculars full on mainstream ascension.

 

[yungangel78]

And this is why clav can get all the hate in the world from u niggas but quite honestly I’ll always respect the fact that he’s not only a true looksmaxer but a true blackpiller

 

[got.daim]

little by little pieces of the puzzle started going viral on different corners of tik tok culminating with claviculars full on mainstream ascension.

Went viral because of the collapse, they wouldn't be interested if they followed the rudimentary milestones mentioned

Your reason for why the 'turbo-normies' flooded the forums relies on the failed normie

Not to mention this specific forum was never catered towards truecels.

yeah, true, but I was talking about the broader sphere, this is just a containment site that got a lot of traffic from the splinters, so I thought it'd still apply

that would’ve never found ts back in 2019 (and that was already late as lookism was in its dying legs)

lukzim was already pretty big and known by normies

blackpiller

he isn't, lul

Too much misconception around this term

Being a looksmaxer and blackpilled is fundamentally and ideologically flawed and oxymoronic

 

[got.daim]

Not in a gatekeeping oldfag "I’m the realest truecel” way, in the actual diagnostic sense, most of you guys don't actually belong here

This space (looksmax, blackpill, incel forums, the whole orbit) used to be for guys whose problem was primarily genetic/looks-based from the jump (Truecels essentially), the ones who were cooked early

The people I see on the forums (in the modern sense) are the ones this 4chan greentext was talking about when it said the average guy just exists and milestones happen without conscious effort, high school girlfriend, job, house, kids, no self-improvement required
View attachment 5482055
This post was half right and half wrong

It was right that normal people's lives used to just.. happen, if they weren’t genetic dead ends, it was wrong in assuming that the only people who miss those milestones are mutants, because the contemporary data has shifted HARD

Less than half of 12th graders go on dates now, the percentage of 30-year-olds who are both married and homeowners has collapsed from over 50% in the mid-20th century to around 10% in the early 2020s, social and economic decay is real, atomization is real, the dating market is harder, the job market is harder, the “natural flow” that used to carry mid-tier and even some low-tier guys into a normal life is broken for a much larger share of the population

So what happens?

Guys who could have been normies 20-30 years ago hit the wall, no girlfriend in high school or college, struggling to get a real job or afford independence, no natural social momentum, they start searching for an explanation, and the blackpill (and its looksmax cousin) is sitting right there, ready with a complete worldview: lookism is absolute, hierarchy is fixed, most of you are cooked, here’s the PSL scale, here’s why nothing you do will matter unless you ascend

A big chunk of the current user base is not truecels, they are failed normies

Their primary problem is often social, mental, economic, or a combination (essentially mentalcels), not pure genetic shit that put them in the bottom 5-10%, a lot of you guys would have been mid or even high-tier normies in a healthier society, you just have enough raw material that, in a different environment, the milestones would have just happened, instead you got the broken version of modernity, hit the wall, and ended up here

You see it in the content shift too, the explosion of “loser confessional” videos - zoomers in a dimly lit room or car talking about the job market, dating, how nothing is working - these rack up views because they resonate with a growing pool of failed normies, not because every viewer is a genetic subhuman, some of it is even content-farmed (AI scripts, high output for the algorithm), the space has become a magnet for people who are failing the normal path, not just the ones who never had a chance at it

Truecels still exist (obv), the ones who were never going to get the natural flow no matter the era, our diagnosis is different, for us the blackpill is more descriptive of their actual situation, but we are no longer the majority of the people consuming and posting this stuff

Most of the current volume is failed normies who found a framework that explained their suffering, gave them a hierarchy to place themselves in, and offered a (usually hopeless) path of “ascension"

The distinction matters a LOT, if your main issues are social skills, mental health, discipline, environment, economic position, or just being born into a decaying social fabric, treating yourself like a pure genetic dead end can become a self-fulfilling trap, you start optimizing for the wrong variables or, worse, internalizing that it’s completely over when it isn’t, looks matter, but the idea that the only people who struggle are the bottom of the PSL scale is outdated, the environment got worse, more people are getting filtered out of the normal path

This is why the space feels flooded, and why a lot of the advice and the fatalism gets applied to people it wasn’t originally calibrated for

Most of you don’t belong here in the original sense of the term, you belong to a larger, newer category of men who got hit by systemic decay instead of (or on top of) pure lookism, the blackpill became popular not because society suddenly produced way more genetic mutants, but because the old automatic escalator to a normal life broke for a much bigger percentage of guys

---

Spoiler: Sources

https://unherd.com/newsroom/american-teenagers-are-dating-less-than-ever/
https://ifstudies.org/insights?id=3851

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/...dating-and-sex-hit-record-lows-recent-decades

@trvechud @Gengar’s Ghost @Pento

@Gengar’s Ghost can you label this as a theory pls and thx

 

[iLdar]

Ahh im reading

 

[Gengar’s Ghost]

@Gengar’s Ghost can you label this as a theory pls and thx

Done.

 

[H72]

Most people here are just normies trying to cope with the fact they cant get a HTB-Stacy because they fail to recognize the fact there hypergamous and then critique women for being the same thing they are

 

[Foreverbrad]

Being a looksmaxer and blackpilled is fundamentally and ideologically flawed and oxymoronic

Looksmaxxing was always a red pill activity really.
The black pill doesn’t offer any solutions, just explanations.

 

[Foreverbrad]

good thread, the time period pill is brutal. we are in a decayed society.

but honestly, lower end normies/nearcels belong in these spaces more than truecels. let’s face it, you can’t do shit to fix your life if you’re seriously truecel. looksmaxxing wont do anything. but if you are just below average looking and have easily fixable failos the looksmaxxing shit will take you very far. the issue arises when these lower end normies/nearcels seep into actual incel spaces, rendering this place, to them, a mere gateway to communities/forums that aren’t designed for them. instead of using the looksmax forum for its intended purpose and taking control of their lives, a lot of them just become persuaded to rot and that it’s over. that’s why there are so many fakecels in “actual” incel spaces. i mean, in the grand scheme of things, the only purpose of this place is to be a containment zone for an incel forum; but that’s a topic for another day. not like you can actually verify who is actually incel and who isn’t as it is but i digress.

imagine being a young normie mentalcel who gets into these spaces at like 14-15 and is immediately convinced that it’s over and that they should kill themselves and they end up being a prisoner of their own shit brain chemistry and soon enough they’re 25 years old schizo KHHV and wasted all that time when they probably didn’t even have to change that much about themselves to live like a normie. brutal shit. anyways, sperg rant over.

When you find the black pill you have to make a value judgement on yourself whether you have the potential to ascend (redpill) or you should just LDAR (whitepill) but either way you at least don’t have to blame yourself like it was some personal failing.

However for some reason the normie brains don’t work this way and like you say they become insane doomers. I think it’s great actually - in the long run Looksmaxxing going mainstream may actually fuck up so many normies it reduces the overall competition.

 

[DysgenicArtery]

Not in a gatekeeping oldfag "I’m the realest truecel” way, in the actual diagnostic sense, most of you guys don't actually belong here

This space (looksmax, blackpill, incel forums, the whole orbit) used to be for guys whose problem was primarily genetic/looks-based from the jump (Truecels essentially), the ones who were cooked early

The people I see on the forums (in the modern sense) are the ones this 4chan greentext was talking about when it said the average guy just exists and milestones happen without conscious effort, high school girlfriend, job, house, kids, no self-improvement required
View attachment 5482055
This post was half right and half wrong

It was right that normal people's lives used to just.. happen, if they weren’t genetic dead ends, it was wrong in assuming that the only people who miss those milestones are mutants, because the contemporary data has shifted HARD

Less than half of 12th graders go on dates now, the percentage of 30-year-olds who are both married and homeowners has collapsed from over 50% in the mid-20th century to around 10% in the early 2020s, social and economic decay is real, atomization is real, the dating market is harder, the job market is harder, the “natural flow” that used to carry mid-tier and even some low-tier guys into a normal life is broken for a much larger share of the population

So what happens?

Guys who could have been normies 20-30 years ago hit the wall, no girlfriend in high school or college, struggling to get a real job or afford independence, no natural social momentum, they start searching for an explanation, and the blackpill (and its looksmax cousin) is sitting right there, ready with a complete worldview: lookism is absolute, hierarchy is fixed, most of you are cooked, here’s the PSL scale, here’s why nothing you do will matter unless you ascend

A big chunk of the current user base is not truecels, they are failed normies

Their primary problem is often social, mental, economic, or a combination (essentially mentalcels), not pure genetic shit that put them in the bottom 5-10%, a lot of you guys would have been mid or even high-tier normies in a healthier society, you just have enough raw material that, in a different environment, the milestones would have just happened, instead you got the broken version of modernity, hit the wall, and ended up here

You see it in the content shift too, the explosion of “loser confessional” videos - zoomers in a dimly lit room or car talking about the job market, dating, how nothing is working - these rack up views because they resonate with a growing pool of failed normies, not because every viewer is a genetic subhuman, some of it is even content-farmed (AI scripts, high output for the algorithm), the space has become a magnet for people who are failing the normal path, not just the ones who never had a chance at it

Truecels still exist (obv), the ones who were never going to get the natural flow no matter the era, our diagnosis is different, for us the blackpill is more descriptive of their actual situation, but we are no longer the majority of the people consuming and posting this stuff

Most of the current volume is failed normies who found a framework that explained their suffering, gave them a hierarchy to place themselves in, and offered a (usually hopeless) path of “ascension"

The distinction matters a LOT, if your main issues are social skills, mental health, discipline, environment, economic position, or just being born into a decaying social fabric, treating yourself like a pure genetic dead end can become a self-fulfilling trap, you start optimizing for the wrong variables or, worse, internalizing that it’s completely over when it isn’t, looks matter, but the idea that the only people who struggle are the bottom of the PSL scale is outdated, the environment got worse, more people are getting filtered out of the normal path

This is why the space feels flooded, and why a lot of the advice and the fatalism gets applied to people it wasn’t originally calibrated for

Most of you don’t belong here in the original sense of the term, you belong to a larger, newer category of men who got hit by systemic decay instead of (or on top of) pure lookism, the blackpill became popular not because society suddenly produced way more genetic mutants, but because the old automatic escalator to a normal life broke for a much bigger percentage of guys

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Spoiler: Sources

https://unherd.com/newsroom/american-teenagers-are-dating-less-than-ever/
https://ifstudies.org/insights?id=3851

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/...dating-and-sex-hit-record-lows-recent-decades

@trvechud @Gengar’s Ghost @Pento

good post

 

[got.daim]

good post

thx

When you find the black pill you have to make a value judgement on yourself whether you have the potential to ascend (redpill) or you should just LDAR (whitepill) but either way you at least don’t have to blame yourself like it was some personal failing.

However for some reason the normie brains don’t work this way and like you say they become insane doomers. I think it’s great actually - in the long run Looksmaxxing going mainstream may actually fuck up so many normies it reduces the overall competition.

kind of true, but I'm a moral fag and I wish everyone could win

 

[Idontknow-]

I think I belong here

 

[Niebvll]

Nooo I belong here
#manlet

 

[got.daim]

I think I belong here

Nooo I belong here
#manlet

did you guys even read the thread?

 

[Niebvll]

did you guys even read the thread?

Yes and ik u talked about those who arent just failed normies and actually belong here

Just had to make sure the world knows that I, ex AryanFoidRxpist, now known as Niebvll, do belong here

 

[Bipolar2Cel]

I Chadpost here because I am mentally ill and think it is funny, also to spread the blackpill + my own personal experienced looksmaxx advices. I noticed tons read my stories but don't engage with them I assume they are too blackpilling and depressing.

Edit: I like helping guys too

 

[Idontknow-]

did you guys even read the thread?

No

 

[Bipolar2Cel]

I Chadpost here because I am mentally ill and think it is funny, also to spread the blackpill + my own personal experienced looksmaxx advices. I noticed tons read my stories but don't engage with them I assume they are too blackpilling and depressing.

Edit: I like helping guys too

You can look like anything and be blackpilled btw lol. Being HTN or Chad doesn't stop you from becoming blackpilled. My life has confirmed the blackpill since elementary school on both ends of the spectrum.

 

[Foreverbrad]

You can look like anything and be blackpilled btw lol. Being HTN or Chad doesn't stop you from becoming blackpilled. My life has confirmed the blackpill since elementary school on both ends of the spectrum.

True that, normies who deny the blackpill often do so from a position of ignorance because their looks level has remained constant. Anyone who’s experienced either a sharp rise or fall in their looks level has it confirmed without a doubt.

Blackpill exists for Chad - it’s genetic predeterminism and actually benefits him and all the other people who were lucky to be above-average.

 

[Bipolar2Cel]

I just know that this thread is in response to this thread.

https://looksmax.org/threads/im-a-ltn-sub-5-who-gets-chad-treatment.2290533/#post-31214297

Lol.. so @Big Boss is a Chad troll, so what? Isn't it good chadposters exist to confirm the blackpill? He is funny as fuck too. Also ratings/looksmaxx/surgery forums have had a lot of HTNs even Chads posted there. HTNs especially post there all the time, some are very body dysmorphic and insecure too. It is off-topic that is more heavily populated of truecels. I noticed huge difference in users between these forums, you just have to go to other sections to find tons of MTN/HTN even sometimes Chad-tier posters.

 

[Bipolar2Cel]

True that, normies who deny the blackpill often do so from a position of ignorance because their looks level has remained constant. Anyone who’s experienced either a sharp rise or fall in their looks level has it confirmed without a doubt.

Blackpill exists for Chad - it’s genetic predeterminism and actually benefits him and all the other people who were lucky to be above-average.

Yep, exactly. Admitting you were blessed in genetics and had good development in womb and development years and that doesn't stop you from accepting blackpill is real and incels are 100% right. Since I was ugly as fuck and got bullied before I bloomed in HS I know too how much looks matter lol, plus the preferential treatment I get based on my visuals only all the time when these people(women) know jack shit about me. I was also looksminned fatso for a lot of my 20s and noticed the difference too compared to now.

I agree lots of HTNs and Chads are retarded and blue pilled and project their experiences onto others and incels but not all are like this, lol. Besides that many are lying they know full well how much of the blackpill is right IME, I have gotten a lot of attractive people to admit this stuff in private when they're with me(because I am not ugly).

 

[section8soldierr]

Not in a gatekeeping oldfag "I’m the realest truecel” way, in the actual diagnostic sense, most of you guys don't actually belong here

This space (looksmax, blackpill, incel forums, the whole orbit) used to be for guys whose problem was primarily genetic/looks-based from the jump (Truecels essentially), the ones who were cooked early

The people I see on the forums (in the modern sense) are the ones this 4chan greentext was talking about when it said the average guy just exists and milestones happen without conscious effort, high school girlfriend, job, house, kids, no self-improvement required
View attachment 5482055
This post was half right and half wrong

It was right that normal people's lives used to just.. happen, if they weren’t genetic dead ends, it was wrong in assuming that the only people who miss those milestones are mutants, because the contemporary data has shifted HARD

Less than half of 12th graders go on dates now, the percentage of 30-year-olds who are both married and homeowners has collapsed from over 50% in the mid-20th century to around 10% in the early 2020s, social and economic decay is real, atomization is real, the dating market is harder, the job market is harder, the “natural flow” that used to carry mid-tier and even some low-tier guys into a normal life is broken for a much larger share of the population

So what happens?

Guys who could have been normies 20-30 years ago hit the wall, no girlfriend in high school or college, struggling to get a real job or afford independence, no natural social momentum, they start searching for an explanation, and the blackpill (and its looksmax cousin) is sitting right there, ready with a complete worldview: lookism is absolute, hierarchy is fixed, most of you are cooked, here’s the PSL scale, here’s why nothing you do will matter unless you ascend

A big chunk of the current user base is not truecels, they are failed normies

Their primary problem is often social, mental, economic, or a combination (essentially mentalcels), not pure genetic shit that put them in the bottom 5-10%, a lot of you guys would have been mid or even high-tier normies in a healthier society, you just have enough raw material that, in a different environment, the milestones would have just happened, instead you got the broken version of modernity, hit the wall, and ended up here

You see it in the content shift too, the explosion of “loser confessional” videos - zoomers in a dimly lit room or car talking about the job market, dating, how nothing is working - these rack up views because they resonate with a growing pool of failed normies, not because every viewer is a genetic subhuman, some of it is even content-farmed (AI scripts, high output for the algorithm), the space has become a magnet for people who are failing the normal path, not just the ones who never had a chance at it

Truecels still exist (obv), the ones who were never going to get the natural flow no matter the era, our diagnosis is different, for us the blackpill is more descriptive of their actual situation, but we are no longer the majority of the people consuming and posting this stuff

Most of the current volume is failed normies who found a framework that explained their suffering, gave them a hierarchy to place themselves in, and offered a (usually hopeless) path of “ascension"

The distinction matters a LOT, if your main issues are social skills, mental health, discipline, environment, economic position, or just being born into a decaying social fabric, treating yourself like a pure genetic dead end can become a self-fulfilling trap, you start optimizing for the wrong variables or, worse, internalizing that it’s completely over when it isn’t, looks matter, but the idea that the only people who struggle are the bottom of the PSL scale is outdated, the environment got worse, more people are getting filtered out of the normal path

This is why the space feels flooded, and why a lot of the advice and the fatalism gets applied to people it wasn’t originally calibrated for

Most of you don’t belong here in the original sense of the term, you belong to a larger, newer category of men who got hit by systemic decay instead of (or on top of) pure lookism, the blackpill became popular not because society suddenly produced way more genetic mutants, but because the old automatic escalator to a normal life broke for a much bigger percentage of guys

---

Spoiler: Sources

https://unherd.com/newsroom/american-teenagers-are-dating-less-than-ever/
https://ifstudies.org/insights?id=3851

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/...dating-and-sex-hit-record-lows-recent-decades

@trvechud @Gengar’s Ghost @Pento

read every proton this applies to me. Feel bad for real truecels and will never act like I’ve had it as hard as them

 

[BigBallsLarry]

The people I see on the forums (in the modern sense) are the ones this 4chan greentext was talking about when it said the average guy just exists and milestones happen without conscious effort, high school girlfriend, job, house, kids, no self-improvement required

This post was half right and half wrong

brootal 4chan post tbh

 

[Detective]

good post op
i wouldnt belong here if i wasn't 5'7

 

[mcmentalonthemic]

1st line makes no sense, trucels shouldnt be here.

 

[LXR]

Incels and normies are defined by competition. The more globalised the world, the more the comoetition and women think they have choices. Its like talent pool in sports. In 1950s nba, white guys with jobs used to play because that was the talent pool. Now you have freaks like Cooper Flagg, and the tall white guy with a job no longer cuts it

 

[g4rlic]

Not in a gatekeeping oldfag "I’m the realest truecel” way, in the actual diagnostic sense, most of you guys don't actually belong here

This space (looksmax, blackpill, incel forums, the whole orbit) used to be for guys whose problem was primarily genetic/looks-based from the jump (Truecels essentially), the ones who were cooked early

The people I see on the forums (in the modern sense) are the ones this 4chan greentext was talking about when it said the average guy just exists and milestones happen without conscious effort, high school girlfriend, job, house, kids, no self-improvement required
View attachment 5482055
This post was half right and half wrong

It was right that normal people's lives used to just.. happen, if they weren’t genetic dead ends, it was wrong in assuming that the only people who miss those milestones are mutants, because the contemporary data has shifted HARD

Less than half of 12th graders go on dates now, the percentage of 30-year-olds who are both married and homeowners has collapsed from over 50% in the mid-20th century to around 10% in the early 2020s, social and economic decay is real, atomization is real, the dating market is harder, the job market is harder, the “natural flow” that used to carry mid-tier and even some low-tier guys into a normal life is broken for a much larger share of the population

So what happens?

Guys who could have been normies 20-30 years ago hit the wall, no girlfriend in high school or college, struggling to get a real job or afford independence, no natural social momentum, they start searching for an explanation, and the blackpill (and its looksmax cousin) is sitting right there, ready with a complete worldview: lookism is absolute, hierarchy is fixed, most of you are cooked, here’s the PSL scale, here’s why nothing you do will matter unless you ascend

A big chunk of the current user base is not truecels, they are failed normies

Their primary problem is often social, mental, economic, or a combination (essentially mentalcels), not pure genetic shit that put them in the bottom 5-10%, a lot of you guys would have been mid or even high-tier normies in a healthier society, you just have enough raw material that, in a different environment, the milestones would have just happened, instead you got the broken version of modernity, hit the wall, and ended up here

You see it in the content shift too, the explosion of “loser confessional” videos - zoomers in a dimly lit room or car talking about the job market, dating, how nothing is working - these rack up views because they resonate with a growing pool of failed normies, not because every viewer is a genetic subhuman, some of it is even content-farmed (AI scripts, high output for the algorithm), the space has become a magnet for people who are failing the normal path, not just the ones who never had a chance at it

Truecels still exist (obv), the ones who were never going to get the natural flow no matter the era, our diagnosis is different, for us the blackpill is more descriptive of their actual situation, but we are no longer the majority of the people consuming and posting this stuff

Most of the current volume is failed normies who found a framework that explained their suffering, gave them a hierarchy to place themselves in, and offered a (usually hopeless) path of “ascension"

The distinction matters a LOT, if your main issues are social skills, mental health, discipline, environment, economic position, or just being born into a decaying social fabric, treating yourself like a pure genetic dead end can become a self-fulfilling trap, you start optimizing for the wrong variables or, worse, internalizing that it’s completely over when it isn’t, looks matter, but the idea that the only people who struggle are the bottom of the PSL scale is outdated, the environment got worse, more people are getting filtered out of the normal path

This is why the space feels flooded, and why a lot of the advice and the fatalism gets applied to people it wasn’t originally calibrated for

Most of you don’t belong here in the original sense of the term, you belong to a larger, newer category of men who got hit by systemic decay instead of (or on top of) pure lookism, the blackpill became popular not because society suddenly produced way more genetic mutants, but because the old automatic escalator to a normal life broke for a much bigger percentage of guys

---

Spoiler: Sources

https://unherd.com/newsroom/american-teenagers-are-dating-less-than-ever/
https://ifstudies.org/insights?id=3851

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/...dating-and-sex-hit-record-lows-recent-decades

@trvechud @Gengar’s Ghost @Pento

high iq