MSE vs MARPE

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I want to do MARPE because then when I facepull with it, I can achieve CCW rotation rather than plain forward expansion of the maxilla. Why not just do MARPE?
 
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Here Moon explains why his MARPE (called MSE) is better (but most likely NOT for a CCW rotation):
 
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MSE is just a modification of MARPE
principle is the same: mini-implant assisted palatal expansion

pretty much bone-borne and not tooth-borne like most old palatal expanders, and also usually without LeFort cuts or vertical cuts for older patients
 
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Getting CCW rotation and fxing decades of wrong maxilla development with some sort of face mask in several months is one of the biggest copes in this site except LeFort 3 meme.

In fact LeFort 3 actually has proven results and you can probably get it in some shitty 3. World country if you pay enough shekels.

Its ridicilous at this point, getting LeFort 3 is more realistic than getting results with this facepulling cope.
 
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Why not just get jaw surgery? Had an ortho suggest Surgically Assisted MSE (called it SAMSE) w/ face mask for 2 months to pull jaw forward. Went to a dank oral surgeon and he was like, that's ridiculous.
 
u cant rotate the jaw with that thing drilled into the bone
 

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