MSE

[KeepCopingLads]

MSE is usually done in like a few weeks I think
But what if you were to spread the expansion over a year?
Would there be no separation of the teeth?
Would the nose still increase in width?
Would retainers after still be necessary?
(Idk who to tag @SlayerJonas @willbetruechang2299 @eon )

 

[Shmyko]

You’d absolutely ruin yourself

 

[Luca_.]

I thought you used mse for like 6months the more you know

 

[NoaA99]

As someone who actually went through it, it’s usually a complete looksmin.

There will still be a gap obviously, but it may be less dramatic if the expansion is done more slowly.
Your nose will get significantly larger. That’s by far the most noticeable change.
Changing the speed of expansion has no effect on this.

During expansion, your cheekbones will look broader and more prominent. A lot of this is swelling, which fades once the device is removed, and even more so over the years. I confirmed this with CT scans. Some relapse is almost guaranteed.

Your upper lip will initially elongate, but this effect only partially lasts.

You’ll most likely end up more asymmetric. In my case, it left me with a canted maxilla that requires surgery to fix.

Breathing does improve a lot at first, I felt a big difference. But even that effect slowly fades with time.

I did it to treat mild sleep apnea with surgery in mind. You should only consider it for health-related reasons like that.
Otherwise, you will be disappointed.

 

[KeepCopingLads]

You’d absolutely ruin yourself

Why

 

[KeepCopingLads]

As someone who actually went through it, it’s usually a complete looksmin.

There will still be a gap obviously, but it may be less dramatic if the expansion is done more slowly.
Your nose will get significantly larger. That’s by far the most noticeable change.
Changing the speed of expansion has no effect on this.

During expansion, your cheekbones will look broader and more prominent. A lot of this is swelling, which fades once the device is removed, and even more so over the years. I confirmed this with CT scans. Some relapse is almost guaranteed.

Your upper lip will initially elongate, but this effect only partially lasts.

You’ll most likely end up more asymmetric. In my case, it left me with a canted maxilla that requires surgery to fix.

Breathing does improve a lot at first, I felt a big difference. But even that effect slowly fades with time.

I did it to treat mild sleep apnea with surgery in mind. You should only consider it for health-related reasons like that.
Otherwise, you will be disappointed.

I have a narrow palate
And one side of my face is slightly wider than the other side
Can't the ortho just give one side of the palate more expansion than the other

 

[KeepCopingLads]

As someone who actually went through it, it’s usually a complete looksmin.

There will still be a gap obviously, but it may be less dramatic if the expansion is done more slowly.
Your nose will get significantly larger. That’s by far the most noticeable change.
Changing the speed of expansion has no effect on this.

During expansion, your cheekbones will look broader and more prominent. A lot of this is swelling, which fades once the device is removed, and even more so over the years. I confirmed this with CT scans. Some relapse is almost guaranteed.

Your upper lip will initially elongate, but this effect only partially lasts.

You’ll most likely end up more asymmetric. In my case, it left me with a canted maxilla that requires surgery to fix.

Breathing does improve a lot at first, I felt a big difference. But even that effect slowly fades with time.

I did it to treat mild sleep apnea with surgery in mind. You should only consider it for health-related reasons like that.
Otherwise, you will be disappointed.

Also dosent nose width occur once you reach 4mm expansion or more

 

[Nxxy]

As someone who actually went through it, it’s usually a complete looksmin.

There will still be a gap obviously, but it may be less dramatic if the expansion is done more slowly.
Your nose will get significantly larger. That’s by far the most noticeable change.
Changing the speed of expansion has no effect on this.

During expansion, your cheekbones will look broader and more prominent. A lot of this is swelling, which fades once the device is removed, and even more so over the years. I confirmed this with CT scans. Some relapse is almost guaranteed.

Your upper lip will initially elongate, but this effect only partially lasts.

You’ll most likely end up more asymmetric. In my case, it left me with a canted maxilla that requires surgery to fix.

Breathing does improve a lot at first, I felt a big difference. But even that effect slowly fades with time.

I did it to treat mild sleep apnea with surgery in mind. You should only consider it for health-related reasons like that.
Otherwise, you will be disappointed.

thoughht the complete oppostie

 

[normie tiktoker]

I have a narrow palate
And one side of my face is slightly wider than the other side
Can't the ortho just give one side of the palate more expansion than the other

Same here. Youd have to work with a good ortho/surgeon to place the device correctly to expand the asymmetrical side less. Also I’m wondering about insurance if you have sleep apnea (I’ve had sleep apnea ever since braces and I bet the Jews won’t let me get mse covered)

 

[KeepCopingLads]

thoughht the complete oppostie

I mean, it's not as if results will be the same with everyone
I've seen good results from other people

 

[KeepCopingLads]

Same here. Youd have to work with a good ortho/surgeon to place the device correctly to expand the asymmetrical side less. Also I’m wondering about insurance if you have sleep apnea (I’ve had sleep apnea ever since braces and I bet the Jews won’t let me get mse covered)

Imma try and see if the NHS will cover my shit
They better cus I actually do have problems breathing
But idk how to go about it, do I just stroll in and pull up? What if the NHS doesn't cover it?
@inversions how do I go about it

 

[normie tiktoker]

Imma try and see if the NHS will cover my shit
They better cus I actually do have problems breathing
But idk how to go about it, do I just stroll in and pull up? What if the NHS doesn't cover it?
@inversions how do I go about it

NHS
Over for u

You need to fly to the USA and spend $20k on it or it’s over for you

 

[normie tiktoker]

Imma try and see if the NHS will cover my shit
They better cus I actually do have problems breathing
But idk how to go about it, do I just stroll in and pull up? What if the NHS doesn't cover it?
@inversions how do I go about it

The UK literally invented botching their citizens with braces on purpose ahahaha. Even John and Mike Mew were sued by the orthodontic association in England for trying to use expansion.

 

[KeepCopingLads]

NHS
Over for u

You need to fly to the USA and spend $20k on it or it’s over for you

Why USA

 

[inversions]

@inversions how do I go about it

Speak to ur dentist / ortho

if u dont know ur ortho speak to dentist and he'll probably refer you if he thinks its worth checking

thats what i did with braces

 

[KeepCopingLads]

Speak to ur dentist / ortho

if u dont know ur ortho speak to dentist and he'll probably refer you if he thinks its worth checking

thats what i did with braces

i have an appointment every 6 months
but i already had one a few months ago
is it possible to do another one before expected, do i like call them and ask for appointment for referral?

 

[inversions]

is it possible to do another one before expected, do i like call them and ask for appointment for referral?

yeah no harm in calling

 

[KeepCopingLads]

thats what i did with braces

my old ortho gave me braces but no palate expander even tho i clearly have a narrow palate
fucking hungarian bluepilled bitch

 

[inversions]

my old ortho gave me braces but no palate expander even tho i clearly have a narrow palate
fucking hungarian bluepilled bitch

can you even get a palate expander after braces?

I'm not sure they would

 

[pashtunnigga1]

Imma try and see if the NHS will cover my shit
They better cus I actually do have problems breathing
But idk how to go about it, do I just stroll in and pull up? What if the NHS doesn't cover it?
@inversions how do I go about it

NHS doesn't do shit
I went for them for breathing problems they gave me some shitty cpap machine I've used it for 1 month now and I sleep worse with it

 

[KeepCopingLads]

can you even get a palate expander after braces?

I'm not sure they would

my teeth relapsed a bit, but not to its original point
also she straight up told me, i aint gettinf free braces for a second time

 

[KeepCopingLads]

my teeth relapsed a bit, but not to its original point
also she straight up told me, i aint gettinf free braces for a second time

my palate is so narrow, it wasnt able to shift back to its original position before braces

 

[inversions]

also she straight up told me, i aint gettinf free braces for a second time

Yeah that's obvious

I had to sign a form for it

I really doubr you're gonna get MSE for free

 

[KeepCopingLads]

I really doubr you're gonna get MSE for free

exactly
how much does mse even cost
it might have to come out of my own pocket

 

[KeepCopingLads]

Yeah that's obvious

I had to sign a form for it

when i was getting free braces
i had no clue what was going on, but she was waffling about extracting teeth but i made sure to stop that

 

[inversions]

exactly
how much does mse even cost
it might have to come out of my own pocket

ask your ortho or dentist when you get an appointment

probably like 1.5k+

 

[inversions]

i had no clue what was going on, but she was waffling about extracting teeth but i made sure to stop that

I got my teeth extracted

I was retarded

But I didn't see a major difference tbh

Maybe because I was pretty chubby before

 

[KeepCopingLads]

I was retarded

i made sure not to, not because i knew it was bad for you, but because i was scared

 

[KeepCopingLads]

probably like 1.5k+

Up to God if i get 10x+ on my altcoins
if so, i could afford that

 

[browncurrycel]

As someone who actually went through it, it’s usually a complete looksmin.

There will still be a gap obviously, but it may be less dramatic if the expansion is done more slowly.
Your nose will get significantly larger. That’s by far the most noticeable change.
Changing the speed of expansion has no effect on this.

During expansion, your cheekbones will look broader and more prominent. A lot of this is swelling, which fades once the device is removed, and even more so over the years. I confirmed this with CT scans. Some relapse is almost guaranteed.

Your upper lip will initially elongate, but this effect only partially lasts.

You’ll most likely end up more asymmetric. In my case, it left me with a canted maxilla that requires surgery to fix.

Breathing does improve a lot at first, I felt a big difference. But even that effect slowly fades with time.

I did it to treat mild sleep apnea with surgery in mind. You should only consider it for health-related reasons like that.
Otherwise, you will be disappointed.

Fully agreed. I have an mse too.

A few questions - when u say that some expansion resorped, how much did it shrink?

Did it go back all the way to how narrow your maxilla was before the mse, it is there still some expansion?

Does your zygos width (when seen from the front) reduce visibly after removing mse?

 

[inversions]

Up to God if i get 10x+ on my altcoins
if so, i could afford that

didnt sell at 250

but i've only got pennies in so i dont even care anymore tbh

 

[NoaA99]

Fully agreed. I have an mse too.

A few questions - when u say that some expansion resorped, how much did it shrink?

Did it go back all the way to how narrow your maxilla was before the mse, it is there still some expansion?

Does your zygos width (when seen from the front) reduce visibly after removing mse?

I expanded 7,8 mm. The original plan was 10-12 mm, but complications came up, my orbital bone actually fractured from the constant pressure JFL. So, we had to stop early.

During the first year, my cheekbones looked very prominent, and I got a lot of comments on it. Now, they’re almost back to normal visually.
There wasn’t a huge increase in facial (bone) width to begin with, but based on CT scans, I’d estimate about 30-40% relapse.
My tongue‘s still way too large for correct tongue posture. Or rather, the maxilla still isn’t sufficiently broad. Though, I am a class 3 as well, so that impacts this as well.

We probably didn’t leave the MSE in long enough.
My ortho initially insisted relapse wouldn’t happen, but clearly it did. To be fair, I also wasn’t completely consistent with the retainer, though those mostly stabilise the teeth, not the skeletal changes anyways.

 

[KeepCopingLads]

I expanded 7,8 mm. The original plan was 10-12 mm, but complications came up, my orbital bone actually fractured from the constant pressure JFL. So, we had to stop early.

During the first year, my cheekbones looked very prominent, and I got a lot of comments on it. Now, they’re almost back to normal visually.
There wasn’t a huge increase in facial (bone) width to begin with, but based on CT scans, I’d estimate about 30-40% relapse.
My tongue‘s still way too large for correct tongue posture. Or rather, the maxilla still isn’t sufficiently broad. Though, I am a class 3 as well, so that impacts this as well.

We probably didn’t leave the MSE in long enough.
My ortho initially insisted relapse wouldn’t happen, but clearly it did. To be fair, I also wasn’t completely consistent with the retainer, though those mostly stabilise the teeth, not the skeletal changes anyways.

isnt mse worn for a few week then for 6 months - 1 year, you have to wear a retainer to prevent relapse?

 

[NoaA99]

I have a narrow palate
And one side of my face is slightly wider than the other side
Can't the ortho just give one side of the palate more expansion than the other

I did it 3-4 years ago. Maybe there have been some advancements since then that make it possible, but with a regular MSE it’s actually more likely that your larger side will expand further. That’s exactly what happened to me. It makes sense, since bone density can differ from side to side, and asymmetry like that isn’t uncommon.

 

[KeepCopingLads]

I did it 3-4 years ago. Maybe there have been some advancements since then that make it possible, but with a regular MSE it’s actually more likely that your larger side will expand further. That’s exactly what happened to me. It makes sense, since bone density can differ from side to side, and asymmetry like that isn’t uncommon.

but can an ortho give one side more expansion, my left side needs more than my right, and my left side of the palate is narrower than the right

 

[NoaA99]

isnt mse worn for a few week then for 6 months - 1 year, you have to wear a retainer to prevent relapse?

Usually, after the last turn, you’re advised to keep the expander in for about six months. Personally, I don’t think that’s enough. Clinics want quick turnover, they don’t want patients wearing the device for years, since there’s only so many they can treat at once.

Supposedly, and according to my ortho you don’t need it after a while, but I’m skeptical about that.

 

[KeepCopingLads]

Usually, after the last turn, you’re advised to keep the expander in for about six months. Personally, I don’t think that’s enough. Clinics want quick turnover, they don’t want patients wearing the device for years, since there’s only so many they can treat at once.

Supposedly, and according to my ortho you don’t need it after a while, but I’m skeptical about that.

idm wearing for years, fuck these orthos

 

[NoaA99]

but can an ortho give one side more expansion, my left side needs more than my right, and my left side of the palate is narrower than the right

You have to do your own research, but from what I know, this isn’t possible with a regular MSE due to the factors I already mentioned

 

[KeepCopingLads]

You have to do your own research, but from what I know, this isn’t possible with a regular MSE due to the factors I already mentioned

marpe possibly? idk, yh ill have to do my own research

 

[eon]

Sheit dawg i had an rpe but regardless you would still have a gab as the mse will hold your pallet outwards regardless so it doesn't collapse back in.

 

[KeepCopingLads]

rpe

tooth anchored

still have a gab as the mse will hold your pallet outwards regardless so it doesn't collapse back in.

i have a theory that if the expansion is very small over a long period of time, the gums, ligaments whatever idk what to call it, has enough time to fix itself like keep together

as seen in niggas that thumpulled like jordan wood

 

[eon]

tooth anchored

i have a theory that if the expansion is very small over a long period of time, the gums, ligaments whatever idk what to call it, has enough time to fix itself like keep together

as seen in niggas that thumpulled like jordan wood

Lol just thug out the gap if you actually NEED mse its gonna be brutal but worth it in the end...

Jfl my gap still isnt closed tbh it is a crazy looksmin but you just have to deal with it

Mines almost closed

 

[KeepCopingLads]

Lol just thug out the gap if you actually NEED mse its gonna be brutal but worth it in the end...

Jfl my gap still isnt closed tbh it is a crazy looksmin but you just have to deal with it

Mines almost closed

cus i dont want to have to go through braces (AGAIN)

 

[eon]

cus i dont want to have to go through braces (AGAIN)

Going through braces again is pretty much unavoidable with mse

 

[KeepCopingLads]

Lol just thug out the gap if you actually NEED mse its gonna be brutal but worth it in the end...

its okay, fuck the ortho, ill do half a turn, once a week

 

[eon]

its okay, fuck the ortho, ill do half a turn, once a week

I actually over turned my rpe on purpose and they had to take away the wrench from me.

 

[eon]

I actually over turned my rpe on purpose and they had to take away the wrench from me.

its okay, fuck the ortho, ill do half a turn, once a week

I could be tweeking but i thought mse turned by itself

 

[KeepCopingLads]

I actually over turned my rpe on purpose and they had to take away the wrench from me.

why would you do that

 

[eon]

why would you do that

Was worth it tbh saved my midface dramatically(i was someone who genuinely needed expansion)

 

[KeepCopingLads]

I could be tweeking but i thought mse turned by itself

no, you turn yourself, its like one turn every 2 days
its okay, half a turn once a week is okay, niggas want to squeeze money out of wallet for braces