[MUSLIM BROS GTFIH] Are you fasting for arafat ?

[animo123]

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Didnt even know it was today but luckily i didnt eat

 

[Deleted member 10987]

Didnt even know it was today but luckily i didnt eat

Then stay until maghrib

 

[ThatDjangoWalk]

Didnt even know it was today but luckily i

Then stay until maghrib

didnt eat

No, if you didn't have the niyya (intention) before Fajr then the fasting doesn't count.

 

[Deleted member 10987]

No, if you didn't have the niyya (intention) before Fajr then the fasting doesn't count.

What if he put niyya now ?

 

[Dr. Greenberg]

We spend our entire lifes working and waking up early for hundreds and sometimes few thousands euros/dollars/pounds a year, some for a lot less.

And you also spend your life preaching and rigorously following/worshipping a literal fairy tale that affects every single decision in your life. I hope it at least makes you happy and makes you feel fulfilled. But there is no paradise or hell brother, it was a very effective invention to make people follow a religion. Reward and punishment.

Amazingly, people still believe in it today and have vastly different interpenetrations of their "god(s)". Although, religion and religious influence is and has been rapidly declining as education is improving in shittier countries. And with the internet, everyone can easily find the fallacies and plot holes in all major religions. They are of course not true and it does not take a genius to figure that out. Takes a lot of indoctrination to believe in them though.

 

[Deleted member 10913]

And you also spend your life preaching and rigorously following/worshipping a literal fairy tale that affects every single decision in your life. I hope it at least makes you happy and makes you feel fulfilled. But there is no paradise or hell brother, it was a very effective invention to make people follow a religion. Reward and punishment.

Amazingly, people still believe in it today and have vastly different interpenetrations of their "god(s)". Although, religion and religious influence is and has been rapidly declining as education is improving in shittier countries. And with the internet, everyone can easily find the fallacies and plot holes in all major religions. They are of course not true and it does not take a genius to figure that out. Takes a lot of indoctrination to believe in them though.

what´s your creed then?

 

[ThatDjangoWalk]

And you also spend your life preaching and rigorously following/worshipping a literal fairy tale that affects every single decision in your life.

Too many "elephants in the room" and impossed fallacies

I hope it at least makes you happy and makes you feel fulfilled. But there is no paradise or hell brother, it was a very effective invention to make people follow a religion. Reward and punishment.

Same, a simple assumption from your behalf, if everything was as easy as you say, no one would be even speaking about these matters.

Amazingly, people still believe in it today and have vastly different interpenetrations of their "god(s)".

Bring an interpretation which is like the Islamic one, an independent Creator outside of Time and Space

Although, religion and religious influence is and has been rapidly declining as education is improving in shittier countries.

Well, pretty much the contrary in my case. Without religion i was a no one nd with it i became a lot more educated and self conscious in my life. Let's assume that what you say is true which would require bigger leaps but whatever, we could also say that value for life is decreased in countries without religious influence. This is an endless game.

With the internet, everyone can easily find the fallacies and plot holes in all major religions.

Well, i know how to challenge those against my religion. Of course one can find holes in all religions and in basically everything in this life if he wants it hard, the difference lies in whether is he willing to go that far and also search for the claim and refutations, instead of dedicating his life to try to justify his way of life like hedonism, nihilism, you name it.

They are of course not true and it does not take a genius to figure that out. Takes a lot of indoctrination to believe in them though.

Well, as far as i know studies show clearly that the human being is born with a natural inclination to believe in God, on the other hand we can't say the same for the non belief in God. That means that to make someone become an atheist he must be indoctrinated. And among all religions that describe The Creator and are known to the entire world, it happens that Islam has the most logical description of Him, it is the best preserved among them, it has the most precise prophecies, the best claims outside of the time and space for an unlettered 7th century Arabian man, and we could go on all day.

I recommend you to watch on YouTube Islamic-Atheist debates like Hamza Tzortzis vs Lawrence Krauss or even intra religious debates, then whenever you want comeback and we will adress whatever you doubt on private

 

[animo123]

Then stay until maghrib

of course bro

 

[animo123]

And you also spend your life preaching and rigorously following/worshipping a literal fairy tale that affects every single decision in your life. I hope it at least makes you happy and makes you feel fulfilled. But there is no paradise or hell brother, it was a very effective invention to make people follow a religion. Reward and punishment.

Amazingly, people still believe in it today and have vastly different interpenetrations of their "god(s)". Although, religion and religious influence is and has been rapidly declining as education is improving in shittier countries. And with the internet, everyone can easily find the fallacies and plot holes in all major religions. They are of course not true and it does not take a genius to figure that out. Takes a lot of indoctrination to believe in them though.

Thats simply incorrect bro
Atheists and agnostics are the ones with the declining numbers
Islam will be the biggest religion by 2050 according to pew research centre
At least your not disrespectful like most on this website so thanks for that

 

[animo123]

And you also spend your life preaching and rigorously following/worshipping a literal fairy tale that affects every single decision in your life. I hope it at least makes you happy and makes you feel fulfilled. But there is no paradise or hell brother, it was a very effective invention to make people follow a religion. Reward and punishment.

Amazingly, people still believe in it today and have vastly different interpenetrations of their "god(s)". Although, religion and religious influence is and has been rapidly declining as education is improving in shittier countries. And with the internet, everyone can easily find the fallacies and plot holes in all major religions. They are of course not true and it does not take a genius to figure that out. Takes a lot of indoctrination to believe in them though.

also belief in a god is natural according to a study by Oxford university

If anything,the unnatural belief is that we just came to be from "nothing"

Ask a young child whether a god exists or not and they for sure wont say we came from nothing unless indoctrinated into such beliefs
It logically follows that an uncreated creator exists and to say otherwise requires an abandonment of reason imo

 

[RecessedCel5]

i am

 

[AsGoodAsItGets]

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yeah but only one day

 

[Dr. Greenberg]

what´s your creed then?

Logic.

Why do you worship a god that made you ugly? But it's alright! iT's jUsT A tEsT

Well, as far as i know studies show clearly that the human being is born with a natural inclination to believe in God, on the other hand we can't say the same for the non belief in God.

Nice cherry-picking brother. There are millions of studies that contradict your fairy tale, but they are wrong right?

This is the problem with you religious people. You cherry-pick and construct biased arguments in favor of the religion you already believe in. You want it to be true so desperately.

 

[Dr. Greenberg]

RELIGION IS THE BIGGEST COPE EVER INVETED

KNEEL FOR YOUR "GOD" YOU CUCKS. KNEEL AND PRAY TO HIM!

 

[Deleted member 10987]

Logic.

Why do you worship a god that made you ugly? But it's alright! iT's jUsT A tEsT

Nice cherry-picking brother. There are millions of studies that contradict your fairy tale, but they are wrong right?

This is the problem with you religious people. You cherry-pick and construct biased arguments in favor of the religion you already believe in. You want it to be true so desperately.

RELIGION IS THE BIGGEST COPE EVER INVETED

KNEEL FOR YOUR "GOD" YOU CUCKS. KNEEL FOR HIM!

 

[Dr. Greenberg]

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Ok, I was wrong. Sorry. God exists.

I will repent. God forgives.

Wait...

which one should I believe in? There are millions of alternatives :/ What if I choose the wrong one? It's like 1/1000000 that I choose the right one. I mean, surely, if God existed and wanted me to follow him he would make it very clear? But maybe I've got to figure that out myself! I think I will believe in the proto-germanic gods. I hope I won the lottery!

 

[AbuSAF]

Ok, I was wrong. Sorry. God exists.

I will repent. God forgives.

Wait...

which one should I believe in? There are millions of alternatives :/ What if I choose the wrong one? It's like 1/1000000 that I choose the right one. I mean, surely, if God existed and wanted me to follow him he would make it very clear?

so deep bro

religion BOOM gone cuz theres so many

 

[Deleted member 10913]

Logic.

so this is your creed?! man what a bad comedy

Nice cherry-picking brother. There are millions of studies that contradict your fairy tale, but they are wrong right?

He is right tho. Any set of theistic belief should be by default closer to the truth then atheism for it holds our natural proposition.

 

[Dr. Greenberg]

so this is your creed?! man what a bad comedy

He is right tho. Any set of theistic belief should be by default closer to the truth for it holds our natural proposition.

But if you wanna be religious bro, why choose Islam? I mean if you look at the most prosperous countries, they are Christian. All of them. This is the only sign I can see when it comes to choosing religion out of the millions of them. Christianity mogs Islam

 

[ThatDjangoWalk]

Logic.

Why do you worship a god that made you ugly? But it's alright! iT's jUsT A tEsT

So basically you are telling us that you reject God because you are ugly, right? So you reject Him for an emotional reason right?

Nice cherry-picking brother. There are millions of studies that contradict your fairy tale, but they are wrong right?

No. Since science is an entity that is constantly changing, there were times that it contradicted the Islamic beliefs like when in the 50s the Static Universe was the number one theory of the cosmological world, which implied that the universe was eternal. Now that this theory has been debunked, it means that the Qur'anic narrative of the universe having a beggining was right and science was wrong at that time since, as i said, it is constantly changing.

Let alone the scientific facts which are easily proven in Islam which were almost an intellectual suicide for an arabian unlettered man, like, for example, the fact that he is the first human being recorded to say that the human body has 360 joints while he was addressing a religious issue (When he addresses a religious issue he has to be right yes or yes), or when he said that all life comes from water. We could go on with many other matters.

Just take a look at Ibn al-Haytham and his advancements.
Ibn al-Haytham is regarded as the architect of the scientific method (the core of all science) and was one of the scientists which most advances produced on that field. It is very well known that according to him, it was based on a assumption he got from Al Qur'an; that there is truth embedded in nature and that this truth can be found by repeated testing.

For example, Allah says (interpretation of the meaning): “You shall not accept any information, unless you verify it for yourself. I have given you the hearing, the eyesight, and the brain, and you are responsible for using them.”

Without the Qur'an this would have been a very bold assumption in hindsight. While in other religions and parts of the world the leading entities and names were persecuting their best scientists, our own religious scholars were the leading scientists of the world.

Our religion pushes us to seek knowledge as i said, and the scientific field is part of it. The Prophet (alayhi a salat wa salam) ordered so in many narrations: "Seeking knowledge is an obligation upon every Muslim." Or when according to other narration he said: "Whoever goes out seeking knowledge is in the way of Allah until he returns." Or when according to Imam Malik he said: "It is not befitting for anyone with knowledge to give up learning."

This is the problem with you religious people. You cherry-pick and construct biased arguments in favor of the religion you already believe in. You want it to be true so desperately.

No, maybe other religious people. I know the claims and the anticlaims, i'm not someone who hides behind a rock.

 

[ThatDjangoWalk]

But if you wanna be religious bro, why choose Islam? I mean if you look at the most prosperous countries, they are Christian. All of them. This is the only sign I can see when it comes to choosing religion out of the millions of them. Christianity mogs Islam

I personally recommend you to read the Bible and see if the european and western world in general follows it somehow, i think you will be shocked.

I would dare to say that those countries in a lot of cases share more commonalities with Islamic laws than Judeo-Christian laws. And i'm not saying now that Germany=Islam , they are very far from such, but honestly man, read the Bible and compare it, i encourage you to do so.

 

[Dr. Greenberg]

So basically you are telling us that you reject God because you are ugly, right? So you reject Him for an emotional reason right?

No, I am not ugly. I'm actually very good looking after heavy looksmaxxing (HARAM).

Reject? As if would be default to believe in God? I've never rejected God because God has never reached me. I was born in a rich, secular country, where religion is viewed as something of historical value rather than current. Have I been seeking to accept a God (out of the millions)? No, not that either. I see no reason to.

No. Since science is an entity that is constantly changing, there were times that it contradicted the Islamic beliefs like when in the 50s the Static Universe was the number one theory of the cosmological world, which implied that the universe was eternal. Now that this theory has been debunked

Yes, of course? How does that support your religion? Are you so bold to claim that all science that contradicts your creator is wrong? You know I saw the same argument in a youtube vid from a Muslim guy about evolution but he never actually answered the question (whether evolution is true). Evolution is true and we have seen it happen. Doesn't take a genius to figure out that we evolved just like all other animals. We've seen it happen in humans too.

Our religion pushes us to seek knowledge as i said, and the scientific field is part of it. The Prophet (alayhi a salat wa salam) ordered so in many narrations: "Seeking knowledge is an obligation upon every Muslim." Or when according to other narration he said: "Whoever goes out seeking knowledge is in the way of Allah until he returns." Or when according to Imam Malik he said: "It is not befitting for anyone with knowledge to give up learning."

As long as it doesn't contradict Islam, right?


You do you. I respect your belief. I understand that you are certain your religion must be true. But have you ever asked yourself the question - "what if I am wrong?".

 

[Deleted member 12688]

Nah tbh. I’m tired of fasting and starving

The thought of it makes me wanna throw up

 

[Dr. Greenberg]

Nah tbh. I’m tired of fasting and starving

The thought of it makes me wanna throw up

Weak. Are you fat?

 

[ThatDjangoWalk]

No, I am not ugly. I'm actually very good looking after heavy looksmaxxing (HARAM).

I don't understand what is the point you are trying to make. You seem very emotional.

Reject? As if would be default to believe in God? I've never rejected God because God has never reached me. I was born in a rich, secular country, where religion is viewed as something of historical value rather than current. Have I been seeking to accept a God (out of the millions)? No, not that either. I see no reason to.

Yes, you were born in a secular country.
If you believe most of us are muslim because we were born in a muslim environment then why don’t you apply this to yourself as well? Isn’t atheism a belief as well? I find it odd that you happen to be an atheist in an era where atheism is a trend and still not even suspect that the noise could have gotten to you. How can we be the ones that have been most likely influenced and you’re not?

Yes, of course? How does that support your religion? Are you so bold to claim that all science that contradicts your creator is wrong? You know I saw the same argument in a youtube vid from a Muslim guy about evolution but he never actually answered the question (whether evolution is true). Evolution is true and we have seen it happen. Doesn't take a genius to figure out that we evolved just like all other animals. We've seen it happen in humans too.

Not true at all. We accept science as the constant changing entity that it is.

About evolution we have addressed this point many times, we muslims don't deny evolution and could accept the theory almost as a whole even the Neanderthals and all these hominids, Islam is clear that there was life before the Human Being on earth. Rejecting dinosaurs and all that comes from other religions, Allah skips those errors knowingly. The only way to prove Islam wrong via evolution is to bring us the first what we would call Human Being and to denonstrate to us that he is not Adam and that he does not fit his description, something almost impossible at this point.

You do you. I respect your belief. I understand that you are certain your religion must be true. But have you ever asked yourself the question - "what if I am wrong?".

Of course i did, that's why i know the claims, the anticlaims and the refutations man, i understand your points but have you ever thought about "Maybe i am wrong"?

I honestly think that the european conception of religion has distorted everything, for example when people think on Adam and Eve they think in a man and a woman with a plant in their private parts, or after years and years of watching cartoons and making statues they relate angels and the metaphysical world to fiction, that's why i perceve religion is clearly falling in the west right now. Also people have the wrong conception and description of God because of preachers and the likes, which constantly show you one side of the story and not the other, and of course when something wrong happens people tend to think "God wouldn't allow this to happen since my description of Him is different, therefore He doesn't exist". And we could go on all day.

 

[animo123]

Ok, I was wrong. Sorry. God exists.

I will repent. God forgives.

Wait...

which one should I believe in? There are millions of alternatives :/ What if I choose the wrong one? It's like 1/1000000 that I choose the right one. I mean, surely, if God existed and wanted me to follow him he would make it very clear? But maybe I've got to figure that out myself! I think I will believe in the proto-germanic gods. I hope I won the lottery!

no lol
Its either the god of christianity,islam or judaism
The rest make no sense whatsoever

 

[Deleted member 10987]

Eated meat and fries

 

[Dr. Greenberg]

Its either the god of christianity,islam or judaism
The rest make no sense whatsoever

To you.

To me (and to logical people) Islam, Christianity, or Judaism makes no sense either. Do you see how deluded you are now? You claim other religions make no sense, but you are certain your own does because you were raised to believe in it. Your religion makes no sense either. You all worship false gods. I'm sorry bro.

 

[animo123]

To you.

To me (and to logical people) Islam, Christianity, or Judaism makes no sense either. Do you see how deluded you are now? You claim other religions make no sense, but you are certain your own does because you were raised to believe in it. Your religion makes no sense either. You all worship false gods. I'm sorry bro.

no it makes sense that an animal i eat for lunch isnt god and that there isnt 3000 gods who are all fully god
As for christianity and judaism of course i believe they are flawed but not to the extent of other lesser religions

Not to mention,if a god exists which i believe,then it also wouldnt make sense to make the correct religion to be a small and contradictory religion,rather a simple religion with a large following which only leaves the abrahamic faiths.

And as for the nurture part,i would still believe in a god regardless as it only makes logical sense,and if i was truly sincere i would come across islam sooner or later and if i never did then ill be tested after i die.

What even are your issues with islam anyways lol?

Better not be anything moral considering you dont believe in god and without god there is no such thing as objective morality

 

[Deleted member 10913]

no it makes sense that an animal i eat for lunch isnt god and that there isnt 3000 gods who are all fully god
As for christianity and judaism of course i believe they are flawed but not to the extent of other lesser religions

Not to mention,if a god exists which i believe,then it also wouldnt make sense to make the correct religion to be a small and contradictory religion,rather a simple religion with a large following which only leaves the abrahamic faiths.

And as for the nurture part,i would still believe in a god regardless as it only makes logical sense,and if i was truly sincere i would come across islam sooner or later and if i never did then ill be tested after i die.

What even are your issues with islam anyways lol?

Better not be anything moral considering you dont believe in god and without god there is no such thing as objective morality

He has absolute believe in logic alone lmao no point in wasting your time with him man

 

[animo123]

He has absolute believe in logic alone lmao no point in wasting your time with him man

very weird how they can claim they are moral but they dont even believe in it
They cannot even say the holocaust or any genocide was immoral to begin with
Yet they talk about the problem of evil and call god immoral
Make it make sense lol