Muslim Countries Have High Divorce Rates - Ending the Cope!

[Shahnameh]

There is a common misconception and myth that divorce is more common in the west and that it's more of a western thing than a Muslim thing. The reality is that Islam is one of the first religions to legalise divorce and there are many Muslim communities and countries where divorce is common.

Saudi Arabia has a divorce rate of about 40 to 45 percent

Kuwait divorce rate is 60 percent

Malaysia is 24 percent

Mauritania is 30 percent and they have a super interesting culture around divorce where they actually celebrate the person for having the strength to break out of the marriage and host an uplifting and supportive party for the divorcee. Divorcees also remarry very easily.

@PrinceLuenLeoncur
@shia.jihadist
@SecularIslamist
@MaghrebGator

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

There is a common misconception and myth that divorce is more common in the west and that it's more of a western thing than a Muslim thing. The reality is that Islam is one of the first religions to legalise divorce and there are many Muslim communities and countries where divorce is common.

Saudi Arabia has a divorce rate of about 40 to 45 percent

Kuwait divorce rate is 60 percent

Malaysia is 24 percent

Mauritania is 30 percent and they have a super interesting culture around divorce where they actually celebrate the person for having the strength to break out of the marriage and host an uplifting and supportive party for the divorcee. Divorcees also remarry very easily.

@PrinceLuenLeoncur
@shia.jihadist
@SecularIslamist
@MaghrebGator

Yes this is true.

I personally see it where I live. It’s normal for Mohammedens to divorce to remarry have sex then divorce then do it again and again. I even know an 70 year old muslima who still divorces and remarries monthly getting sex all the time.


Muslims get in taxis a lot for this shit

Many will say I’m chatting shit but I have seen it personally myself where I live it’s so common here it’s unreal and shows how sexually deviant those Allahu ackbars truly are, marriage isn’t sacred to Muslims it’s just an excuse to have sex that’s and why they can have 4 wives why they remarry and divorce so quickly unlike Christian’s. In Islam Marriage is a giant scandal

With Christian’s marriage is a massive deal, with apostolic Christian’s In particular it’s debatable if divorce is even allowed (Protestants are retarded and not Apostolic so please don’t use them as an example)

 

[SecularIslamist]

Yeah Islam legalises divorce but it's extremely a disliked (makruh) practice. This is dependent on culture AND religion. Those countries you named I literally couldn't give less of a shit about them people.

Go look at the divorce rate in Bangladesh and tell me I'm coping.

 

[chadhamed]

Ye tbh its kinda rare tho cus muslim people dont divorce at everything like westerns
If ur muslim wife wants to divorce means that yu a truly ashole

 

[robtical]

Whats to say that low divorce muslim countries arent just low because of neediness? They are bitter and hate each other, only together because of no other choice n poor people gotta make do.

 

[Shahnameh]

Yeah Islam legalises divorce but it's extremely a disliked (makruh) practice. This is dependent on culture AND religion. Those countries you named I literally couldn't give less of a shit about them people.

Go look at the divorce rate in Bangladesh and tell me I'm coping.

Currys are the only ones taking this religion seriously

Whats to say that low divorce muslim countries arent just low because of neediness? They are bitter and hate each other, only together because of no other choice n poor people gotta make do.

 

[MaghrebGator]

It's out of context. Divorce happens everywhere in the world and in the muslim world it usually occurs amongst very recent couples with no children, in much lower rates and with a way higher percentage of getting married again.

Marriage rates in the muslim world are by far the highest in the planet, and divorce rates are way lower than non muslim countries that get close to such rates. In Russia for example the divorce rate is 70%

 

[robtical]

Yes this is true.

I personally see it where I live. It’s normal for Mohammedens to divorce to remarry have sex then divorce then do it again and again. I even know an 70 year old muslima who still divorces and remarries monthly getting sex all the time.


Muslims get in taxis a lot for this shit

Many will say I’m chatting shit but I have seen it personally myself where I live it’s so common here it’s unreal and shows how sexually deviant those Allahu ackbars truly are, marriage isn’t sacred to Muslims it’s just an excuse to have sex that’s and why they can have 4 wives why they remarry and divorce so quickly unlike Christian’s. In Islam Marriage is a giant scandal

With Christian’s marriage is a massive deal, with apostolic Christian’s In particular it’s debatable if divorce is even allowed (Protestants are retarded and not Apostolic so please don’t use them as an example)

It's out of context. Divorce happens everywhere in the world and in the muslim world it usually occurs amongst very recent couples with no children, in much lower rates and with a way higher percentage of getting married again.

Marriage rates in the muslim world are by far the highest in the planet, and divorce rates are way lower than non muslim countries that get close to such rates. In Russia for example the divorce rate is 70%
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Do they not do nikah halala?

 

[MaghrebGator]

Do they not do nikah halala?
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It's an ancient arab practice that was made haram (Prohibited) in Islam

Narrated Ali ibn AbuTalib: (The narrator Isma'il said: I think ash-Sha'bi attributed this tradition to the Prophet) The Prophet (ﷺ) said: Curse be upon the one who marries a divorced woman with the intention of making her lawful for her former husband and upon the one for whom she is made lawful.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Do they not do nikah halala?
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That’s what I said I thought this would change it but these are small scale marriages with no dowries. I have a friend who got married like this and he didn’t give dowry to the girl and if he did it was very small.

I think Muslims only take the nikah thing seriously when they actually plan to stay with the woman. But what maghrebigator said I’m surprised about tbh

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Ye tbh its kinda rare tho cus muslim people dont divorce at everything like westerns
If ur muslim wife wants to divorce means that yu a truly ashole

Cope. Arabs dand Somalis do this shit all the timr (in England)


Sure curry Muslims don’t do this but Arab ones do it a lot at least in the west. Catholics orthodox and other apostolic Christian’s CANT EVEN GET DIVORCED our religion doesn’t even allow for divorce only Protestants can get divorced

 

[chadhamed]

Cope. Arabs dand Somalis do this shit all the timr (in England)


Sure curry Muslims don’t do this but Arab ones do it a lot at least in the west. Catholics orthodox and other apostolic Christian’s CANT EVEN GET DIVORCED our religion doesn’t even allow for divorce only Protestants can get divorced

interesting..

 

[kusaila]

Cope. Arabs dand Somalis do this shit all the timr (in England)


Sure curry Muslims don’t do this but Arab ones do it a lot at least in the west. Catholics orthodox and other apostolic Christian’s CANT EVEN GET DIVORCED our religion doesn’t even allow for divorce only Protestants can get divorced

imagine not being able to divorce. how retarded.

 

[kusaila]

There is a common misconception and myth that divorce is more common in the west and that it's more of a western thing than a Muslim thing. The reality is that Islam is one of the first religions to legalise divorce and there are many Muslim communities and countries where divorce is common.

Saudi Arabia has a divorce rate of about 40 to 45 percent

Kuwait divorce rate is 60 percent

Malaysia is 24 percent

Mauritania is 30 percent and they have a super interesting culture around divorce where they actually celebrate the person for having the strength to break out of the marriage and host an uplifting and supportive party for the divorcee. Divorcees also remarry very easily.

@PrinceLuenLeoncur
@shia.jihadist
@SecularIslamist
@MaghrebGator

Even if divorce rates are lower in Muslim countries, which I do think to be the case.

Don't let this fool you into the magnanimous Islampill, the social dynamics that would greatly inhibit women from divorcing are fading day by day and mostly gone now tbh.

Before globalisation there was the factor of ignorance is bliss so women weren't aware how much better they could have it

 

[Shahnameh]

Even if divorce rates are lower in Muslim countries, which I do think to be the case.

Don't let this fool you into the magnanimous Islampill, the social dynamics that would greatly inhibit women from divorcing are fading day by day and mostly gone now tbh.

Before globalisation there was the factor of ignorance is bliss so women weren't aware how much better they could have it

The main issue is muslim frmales take on the absolute worst aspects of feminism with non of thr positives.

 

[kusaila]

The main issue is muslim frmales take on the absolute worst aspects of feminism with non of thr positives.

feminism in general has been a net negative tbh if simply because of contorting the narrative to fit what's advantageous for women individually.

with Muslim women they're in a dilemma of trying to reconcile traditional patriarchal Islamic viewpoints through the lens of a westernised eye.

One example being he must fully provide but also actually, I don't have to cook and also he has to do chores too and also marital rape etc
but tbh i only see these individuals online and they're all prolly 15 i imagine if you gain decent money many muslim women would play le "trad" role or whatever like their mothers did

 

[Gengar]

Currys are the only ones taking this religion seriously


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And South Asians are also the most discriminated against as well, by other muzzies. Just lol.

 

[Shahnameh]

And South Asians are also the most discriminated against as well, by other muzzies. Just lol.

They spend all this time defending Turks,Iranians and Arabs online only to be treated like absolute subhuman filth by them.

I'm surprised you guys stay muslim but i guess Hinduism must be worse since they eat cow shit

 

[SecularIslamist]

but tbh i only see these individuals online and they're all prolly 15 i imagine if you gain decent money many muslim women would play le "trad" role or whatever like their mothers did

I wouldn't count on it. You're probably right in general. But the gap between what they're saying online and what is playing out in reality is closing day by day.

 

[SecularIslamist]

They spend all this time defending Turks,Iranians and Arabs online only to be treated like absolute subhuman filth by them.

I can't stand those curries. Everyone knows curries (and SEAs - but they're less ummah type) are the last hope for Muslims.

No western born and Islamically inclined guy would defend those pathetic nations today. Anyone who does is bathing in ignorance.

However, personally I will defend their women til the last man

 

[NoLongerHuman]

Malaysia is 24 percent

This statistic would be higher if it weren't for people here making such a big deal over divorce. Majority of Malays take Islam to such an extreme degree and take marriage as such an important thing due to social standards. When a couple gets divorced, the families usually blame the female, even if it means the women is unhappy in the marriage, usually to keep the family's dignity and because women being independent is still not that much of a norm. It's a very male-dominated country here.

If feminism manages to be empowered heavily here, I can definitely see the increase of many incels in Malaysia.

Though I would say this issue may not ve as prevalent within the upperclass, seeing how my parents themselves have divorced twice, and they'd probably divorce again if it weren't for the 3rd talaq restriction.

Also, Malaysia is not a Muslim country, the official religion is Islam but other religions are allowed to be practiced.

@n9wiff what's the divorce stuff like for Indians/Chinese?

 

[n9wiff]

This statistic would be higher if it weren't for people here making such a big deal over divorce. Majority of Malays take Islam to such an extreme degree and take marriage as such an important thing due to social standards. When a couple gets divorced, the families usually blame the female, even if it means the women is unhappy in the marriage, usually to keep the family's dignity and because women being independent is still not that much of a norm. It's a very male-dominated country here.

If feminism manages to be empowered heavily here, I can definitely see the increase of many incels in Malaysia.

Though I would say this issue may not ve as prevalent within the upperclass, seeing how my parents themselves have divorced twice, and they'd probably divorce again if it weren't for the 3rd talaq restriction.

Also, Malaysia is not a Muslim country, the official religion is Islam but other religions are allowed to be practiced.

@n9wiff what's the divorce stuff like for Indians/Chinese?

Indians get divorced a lot, lack fo cultural values. Indian men are usually very shitty towards their wives in marriages.

I know many type K relatives that m40 or b20 that act like this. They bring out my inner feminist sometimes

 

[Gengar]

They spend all this time defending Turks,Iranians and Arabs online only to be treated like absolute subhuman filth by them.

I'm surprised you guys stay muslim but i guess Hinduism must be worse since they eat cow shit

We would rather be discriminated against than eat cow shit. Good point. Or I can embrace Buddhism, the religion of my ancestors.

 

[kusaila]

I wouldn't count on it. You're probably right in general. But the gap between what they're saying online and what is playing out in reality is closing day by day.

How do you reckon Muslim marriages and selective choosing will play out right now and in the near future? I barely know any recently married couples irl so my sample size is very small but life is getting so expensive can u even sustain a 1 man working marriage without excessive welfare

Will betabuxxers keep winning more and more

 

[SecularIslamist]

How do you reckon Muslim marriages and selective choosing will play out right now and in the near future? I barely know any recently married couples irl so my sample size is very small but life is getting so expensive can u even sustain a 1 man working marriage without excessive welfare

Will betabuxxers keep winning more and more

This topic is full of paradoxes and nuances. Cost of living, hypergamy, tradition vs culture, certain diaspora communities not intermarrying other cultures, ethnic women doing far better in education/ career than men, being a deathnic amongst whites etc

Yet we have people say, Muslims are likely to breed more (western curry birth rates vs white birth rate), men can arrange marriage maxx, women are more submissive and less slutty than whites / LTR focused etc.

There are people claiming it's easier to get married as a Muslim because of some of those reasons. On the other hand (and I lean more towards this perspective probably because of bias) I think Muslims marrying in the west will become infinitely harder than white. This isn't apparent now but I think it will be in the future.

People are concerned about immigrants now - especially since because Indians are now everywhere. But every immigrant who immigrates here I genuinely think is signing his own descendants death warrant. If not second gen than definitely later gens. Look at how on this forum we have a disproportionately high amount of ethnics. Is that not a sign of what's to come?

@Shahnameh @JohnDoe @Gengar

 

[MaghrebGator]

How do you reckon Muslim marriages and selective choosing will play out right now and in the near future? I barely know any recently married couples irl so my sample size is very small but life is getting so expensive can u even sustain a 1 man working marriage without excessive welfare

Will betabuxxers keep winning more and more

This stuff was already prophesied just like the sexual intercourse outside marriage hadiths or the "Men will suffice themselves with men and women will suffice themselves with women"

The Prophet (ﷺ) told us that one of the signs of the Hour is that, “Familial links will be cut.”

Parent disobedience
The Prophet, peace be upon him, said: "One of the signs of the day of judgment is that the slave will give birth to her mistress."

Imam Ibn Hajar al-‘Asqalani when commenting on this hadith said the accurate meaning for the phrase ‘slave-girl will give birth to her mistress’ is that children will disobey their own parents, and children will treat their parents the way a master treat their slaves, with insults, abuse and disrespect

 

[kusaila]

This topic is full of paradoxes and nuances. Cost of living, hypergamy, tradition vs culture, certain diaspora communities not intermarrying other cultures, ethnic women doing far better in education/ career than men, being a deathnic amongst whites etc

Yet we have people say, Muslims are likely to breed more (western curry birth rates vs white birth rate), men can arrange marriage maxx, women are more submissive and less slutty than whites / LTR focused etc.

There are people claiming it's easier to get married as a Muslim because of some of those reasons. On the other hand (and I lean more towards this perspective probably because of bias) I think Muslims marrying in the west will become infinitely harder than white. This isn't apparent now but I think it will be in the future.

People are concerned about immigrants now - especially since because Indians are now everywhere. But every immigrant who immigrates here I genuinely think is signing his own descendants death warrant. If not second gen than definitely later gens. Look at how on this forum we have a disproportionately high amount of ethnics. Is that not a sign of what's to come?

@Shahnameh @JohnDoe @Gengar

I can't help but think that hypergamy for muslim diaspora will place an even greater focus on money earnings/accomplishments than looks tbh relative to non muslims especially.

It's a two way street by which you can impress both the parent and woman with, having good wealth as a Muslim also lends well to performing religious deeds well and like you said Muslim women attaining educations (and at higher rates than men too) will only place the bar higher.
The barrier of entry for woman/man relationships is also set at a start only from marriage, meaning dudes will be either sexually pent up, socially stunted when it comes to women, porn addiction lole etc or all of these really.


This coupled with JBW lurking and the incessant westernisation, I've always theorised things would be harder when it comes to "dating" for Muslims , you're right there methinks.

You are truly locationmogged, it has to be, had you been as wealthy 5 years earlier, or even better born later so the betabuxxing meta becomes even more effective you'd be luckier

Islam only works under the right social infrastructure, ideally marriage would be a simple endeavour a la here's 2 goats for your daughter thanks bhai

 

[kusaila]

This stuff was already prophesied just like the sexual intercourse outside marriage hadiths or the "Men will suffice themselves with men and women will suffice themselves with women"

The Prophet (ﷺ) told us that one of the signs of the Hour is that, “Familial links will be cut.”

Parent disobedience
The Prophet, peace be upon him, said: "One of the signs of the day of judgment is that the slave will give birth to her mistress."

Imam Ibn Hajar al-‘Asqalani when commenting on this hadith said the accurate meaning for the phrase ‘slave-girl will give birth to her mistress’ is that children will disobey their own parents, and children will treat their parents the way a master treat their slaves, with insults, abuse and disrespect

Living in Western society is a constant exposure to other unislamic ideas/beliefs, with the framework supporting whatever way of life so I can only imagine how many family ties have been cut by a member having left the religion and how many more will continue to be cut

What do you mean by the slave thing though? I thought a slave master treats slaves with respect under Islam

 

[MaghrebGator]

Living in Western society is a constant exposure to other unislamic ideas/beliefs, with the framework supporting whatever way of life so I can only imagine how many family ties have been cut by a member having left the religion and how many more will continue to be cut

I think the fact that society and family members heavily still frown upon that is good.

A lot of people don't engage on those kind of things because they think "What if my aunt caught me in the street" or "What if my neighbour saw me", etc

Whether that will continue, to the incline lr decline, and most importantly, in what context and degree, is difficult to say for someone coming from our perspective. More than anything, because the future of the muslim world right now is very difficult to predict.

What do you mean by the slave thing though? I thought a slave master treats slaves with respect under Islam

It goes in conjunction with another narration. Calling a servant "slave" is makruh (Disliked) or haram (Prohibited) per se

Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Do not refer to anyone as ‘my slave,’ for all of you are the slaves of Allah. Rather, you should refer to him as ‘my young man.’ The servant should not refer to anyone as ‘my lord,’ but rather he should refer to him as ‘my master.’”

Also i'm not even sure it has to be necessarily in conjunction. In Arabia at the time the islamic concept wasn't completely adopted until the later years of prophethood, and slavery has always had this universalist approach of understanding it, and i doubt (I don't doubt it, i'm certain of it because of several narrations of people hitting slaves and the Prophet making them release them for such, even though they had probably known or witnessed his views on it) just a few months/years of islamic rule in certain parts of the peninsula would have suddenly erased such understanding of the slave/master dynamics in their concepts, language, expressions and so on

 

[kusaila]

I think the fact that society and family members heavily still frown upon that is good.

A lot of people don't engage on those kind of things because they think "What if my aunt caught me in the street" or "What if my neighbour saw me", etc

Whether that will continue, to the incline lr decline, and most importantly, in what context and degree, is difficult to say for someone coming from our perspective. More than anything, because the future of the muslim world right now is very difficult to predict.

Yeah, pretty much. I can only imagine the strength of the faith and how its practiced weakening amongst diaspora on average.

for example
gen 1 moroccan: prays 5 times, friday mosque, fasts, hajj, many of the sunnah etc, knows arabic and has large portions of the quran memorised or entirely
gen 2: prays 5 times, friday mosque, hajj, some sunnah, decent arabic etc
gen 3: prays sometimes, rarely mosque, little arabic
as an individual you can do your best to compensate and live up to your parents standards but not sure if that'll shift the general population

but then again apparently diaspora from some studies are even more religious than their parents while the inhabitants of their home country are becoming less religious so idk

It goes in conjunction with another narration. Calling a servant "slave" is makruh (Disliked) or haram (Prohibited) per se

Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Do not refer to anyone as ‘my slave,’ for all of you are the slaves of Allah. Rather, you should refer to him as ‘my young man.’ The servant should not refer to anyone as ‘my lord,’ but rather he should refer to him as ‘my master.’”

i see I didn't know that.