My 25yo looksmax plan to go from HTN/chad lite -> definitive chad lite/chad.

[indiedude1]

Surgeries will be listed in order of most important.

Stats: 5ft10
Current Body: 2 years lifting experience.
Will continue lifting 6 days a week on a structured routine with my coach to make the most gains possible. Will consider TRT + HGH after I have children. Also I will be removing the tattoo if possible.

Current face:




Soft maxxing:
Skin care routine:
Morning: Wash face, under eye cream, moisturize, sunscreen, bb cream around under eyes and cheekbones
Night: Wash face, under eye cream, .05 tretinoin (monday-Friday), on weekends instead of tretinoin, I will moisturize.

Haircut/beard trim every 2 weeks
Eyebrow tint every 3 weeks

Start using minoxidil on eyebrows or get on oral minoxidil for eyebrow/beard gains.

Morning Supplements:
-Pure Encapsulations Multi Vitamin with 2000 IU Vit D
-Pure Encapsulations Ubiquinol 100mg
-Vyvanse 30mg
-Pre workout + EAAs
-Vital Collagen Peptides Powder
Night Supplements:
-Pure Encapsulations Magnesium Glycenate 360mg
-Nordic Naturals Fish oil 2150g
-Thorne Creatine Monohydrate 5g

Surgery Maxxing:
-Orthognathic Surgery to fix my class 3 malocclusion
Here is a photo of my current ceph

Currently I have a negative occlusal plan of 5°, which gives me an incredibly unaesthetic smile and tooth show when talking. I also have a protruded lower lip.
Have consultation with a surgery scheduled for February 2023. Will try to see someone sooner. Most likely will be getting a lefort 1 advancement with CWr + bsso and genioplasty (if needed to fix assymetries)
During this procedure I will see if I can get my deviated septum fixed at the same time. Here is a morph of a septorhinoplasty before and after.

Proof that I have a fucked up jaw (here’s a picture of me biting down (occlusing)



After I get my jaw surgery + septorhinoplasty, I will be able to consider eye surgery.

Eyes:
Here are my current eyes squint maxxing:

I have slight PCT in one eye and Neutral in the other. Also have assymetric hooding and slight hollowing underneath my eyes.

Most likely, I will need some sort of eyelid canthoplasty with under eye filler or infraorbital rim implants. Possibly a blepharoplasty as well to fix holding asymmetry.


Hairline:
This is the hairline I will have for the rest of my life if I don’t go along with a hair transplant. It’s fine, but I don’t have peaky temples which gives off the impression that my forehead is wider than my zygomatic region which is false.

So, I will be getting a temple reconstruction and slight lowering of the hairline.

My hairline:


Dads hairline and moms brothers hairline at 50+. No one goes past this stage in my family on either side

Updated hairline goals: rough doodle by me



After all of this is said and done I will be around 30 years old, and I will move out west to Texas/Arizona to tan max.

All in all, if my jaw surgery + septo is covered by insurance (my orthodontist said it should be), I’m looking at spending around $12000 HT / $10-15,000 Rhino / $5-10,000 Eye surgeries
Total = $27-40k
If insurance doesn’t cover jaw + septo

Total = $60-80k

This should take me from a 6 to a 7~

Rate my plan, and if there’s anything else I could be doing in the meantime?

 

[SoonToAscend]

imagine someone walks in and sees you drawing lines on your forehead to show your ideal hairline to a forum of 5 foot tall indians

 

[Deleted member 21297]

wtf did you do to your door!!!

 

[Deleted member 15180]

Stats: 5ft10

 

[Deleted member 15180]

looksmaxxing is a form of mental illness that should be listed in the DSM. this post is the definitive proof

 

[indiedude1]

View attachment 1883686 wtf did you do to your door!!!

Was there when I moved in.

 

[indiedude1]

looksmaxxing is a form of mental illness that should be listed in the DSM. this post is the definitive proof

? I have a legitimate jaw malocclusion and a curved and droopy nose/deviated septum. Those two things are medically necessary to fix. Considering I look “good” with these 2 huge failios, I can only imagine how much I can ascend getting them fixed. Everything else is icing on the cake.

 

[indiedude1]

View attachment 1883686 wtf did you do to your door!!!

PS, can you guess my ancestry?

 

[epictroll]

Dude just needs HT or a better hairstyle (curly hair TikTok bangs retard hair) and stop squinting, jaw surgery will probably not make that much of a difference.

 

[Rift]

All of this is cope. You need LL end of story

 

[Anchor_Ship]

Mirin ngl

 

[StuffedFrog]

whats really the point at 25 your not ugly even

 

[indiedude1]

All of this is cope. You need LL end of story

LL is terrible for bodybuilding. I don’t have a problem with my height tbh. 5ft9-5ft10 is ideal for muscle mass/aesthetics.

 

[indiedude1]

whats really the point at 25 your not ugly even

Because men continuing getting better in their 30s and 40s if they do shit properly. Most male celebrities I find good looking are in their 40s.

I’m also incredibly vain and want to be better than everyone else around me

 

[StuffedFrog]

Because men continuing getting better in their 30s and 40s if they do shit properly. Most male celebrities I find good looking are in their 40s.

tretinoin should work fine for you

 

[indiedude1]

Dude just needs HT or a better hairstyle (curly hair TikTok bangs retard hair) and stop squinting, jaw surgery will probably not make that much of a difference.

Jaw surgery will smile max me. I can’t smile and I won’t smile which negatively affects me socially.

 

[epictroll]

get veneers to smilemax?

jaw surgery is a huge time and cost commitment. your youth is trickling away OP. I am in the same position and trying to cope with genio.

 

[indiedude1]

get veneers to smilemax?

jaw surgery is a huge time and cost commitment. your youth is trickling away OP. I am in the same position and trying to cope with genio.

Not worried about the time commitment. I can’t live with my jaw as it is. I will forever be insecure about it and it’s given me ideations which I’ve never had before. Veneers cost more than jaw surgery. Won’t be able to afford 100k veneers. + when I smile my chin goes way out and my maxilla looks recessed.

Also, I’m not into JB appeal. I prefer women my age or older, so I’m not worried about that.

 

[Deleted member 7725]

Literally didn't see a single difference in your morphs until you pointed them out. All of this is cope. You'll gan 0.25 PSL for all these surgeries combined at best. You're hardcapped for life at htn.

 

[indiedude1]

Literally didn't see a single difference in your morphs until you pointed them out. All of this is cope. You'll gan 0.25 PSL for all these surgeries combined at bst. You're hardcapped for life at htn.

What’s keeping me at htn?

And what would you rate these guys:

 

[Deleted member 7725]

What’s keeping me at htn?

Your pheno and harmony are unremarkable. You just blend in with everyone else despite having no flagrant flaws. If you had a flagrant failo and some striking features you can get past it, but with your current base I think you are capped out.

 

[Johanjohan]

All of this is cope. You need LL end of story

 

[indiedude1]

Looks retarded when people do that. Arms and other proportions stay the same

 

[indiedude1]

Your pheno and harmony are unremarkable. You just blend in with everyone else despite having no flagrant flaws. If you had a flagrant failo and some striking features you can get past it, but with your current base I think you are capped out.

No harm in trying to fix my flaws for my self tho.

 

[Deleted member 7725]

No harm in trying to fix my flaws for my self tho.

There is though, since botched plastic surgeries aren't uncommon and the pain and recovery are real. Especially with hair transplants and rhinos that are botched in a large percentage of cases.

You're worried about the wrong things. I don't see any pictures with your front but I believe zygo implants to give you higher and more pronounce cheekbones could be beneficiary to cross the chadlite line as they will make your face more chiseled.

 

[indiedude1]

There is though, since botched plastic surgeries aren't uncommon and the pain and recovery are real. Especially with hair transplants and rhinos that are botched in a large percentage of cases.

You're worried about the wrong things. I don't see any pictures with your front but I believe zygo implants to give you higher and more pronounce cheekbones could be beneficiary to cross the chadlite line as they will make your face more chiseled.

I think I have high cheekbones as you can see here at my leanest: bad angle, and you can clearly see my deviated nose and upper lip behind bottom.

 

[andy9432]

I think I have high cheekbones as you can see here at my leanest: bad angle, and you can clearly see my deviated nose and upper lip behind bottom.

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Ur balding bro. Deep recession at the temples. Doesnt matter what ur father or mothers brother was. U are legitimately norwooding

 

[MEGA CHAD]

would you do LL?

 

[Deleted member 20631]

HT, Jaw and nose surgery is all you need all that other shit will barely add to your attractiveness and you always risk getting botched the more surgeries you get.

 

[Rt-Rust1]

Dude just needs HT or a better hairstyle (curly hair TikTok bangs retard hair) and stop squinting, jaw surgery will probably not make that much of a difference.

Whst is ht

 

[Deleted member 20064]

Are you natty?

 

[chigoha]

you also need minoxidil for your eyebrows and jaw fillers

 

[Deusmaximus]

Dont do jaw surger you stupid idiot.
Hairtransplant, tan, and wear lifts 24/7

 

[FrenchareMedCucks]

you are bald

 

[Deleted member 17244]

how tall are u finnish slayer @Johanjohan

 

[Deleted member 18849]

All of this is cope. You need LL end of story

He does need LL.

And OP is lying. He's 5'9 but had a rate me post and got told he's kind of short to play around with his tryhard tats air style (not ugly, short), and then changed it up lol.

 

[Deleted member 17244]

He does need LL.

And OP is lying. He's 5'9 but had a rate me post and got told he's kind of short to play around with his tryhard tats air style (not ugly, short), and then changed it up lol.

tbh im prob getting lf1 + genio + jaw fillers but im pretty sure its a cope since im 5'8

 

[Deleted member 8869]

Surgeries will be listed in order of most important.

Stats: 5ft10
Current Body: 2 years lifting experience.View attachment 1883596
Will continue lifting 6 days a week on a structured routine with my coach to make the most gains possible. Will consider TRT + HGH after I have children. Also I will be removing the tattoo if possible.

Current face:

View attachment 1883599
View attachment 1883598

Soft maxxing:
Skin care routine:
Morning: Wash face, under eye cream, moisturize, sunscreen, bb cream around under eyes and cheekbones
Night: Wash face, under eye cream, .05 tretinoin (monday-Friday), on weekends instead of tretinoin, I will moisturize.

Haircut/beard trim every 2 weeks
Eyebrow tint every 3 weeks

Start using minoxidil on eyebrows or get on oral minoxidil for eyebrow/beard gains.

Morning Supplements:
-Pure Encapsulations Multi Vitamin with 2000 IU Vit D
-Pure Encapsulations Ubiquinol 100mg
-Vyvanse 30mg
-Pre workout + EAAs
-Vital Collagen Peptides Powder
Night Supplements:
-Pure Encapsulations Magnesium Glycenate 360mg
-Nordic Naturals Fish oil 2150g
-Thorne Creatine Monohydrate 5g

Surgery Maxxing:
-Orthognathic Surgery to fix my class 3 malocclusion
Here is a photo of my current ceph
View attachment 1883621
Currently I have a negative occlusal plan of 5°, which gives me an incredibly unaesthetic smile and tooth show when talking. I also have a protruded lower lip.
Have consultation with a surgery scheduled for February 2023. Will try to see someone sooner. Most likely will be getting a lefort 1 advancement with CWr + bsso and genioplasty (if needed to fix assymetries)
During this procedure I will see if I can get my deviated septum fixed at the same time. Here is a morph of a septorhinoplasty before and after.
View attachment 1883635
Proof that I have a fucked up jaw (here’s a picture of me biting down (occlusing)

View attachment 1883637

After I get my jaw surgery + septorhinoplasty, I will be able to consider eye surgery.

Eyes:
Here are my current eyes squint maxxing:
View attachment 1883641
I have slight PCT in one eye and Neutral in the other. Also have assymetric hooding and slight hollowing underneath my eyes.

Most likely, I will need some sort of eyelid canthoplasty with under eye filler or infraorbital rim implants. Possibly a blepharoplasty as well to fix holding asymmetry.


Hairline:
This is the hairline I will have for the rest of my life if I don’t go along with a hair transplant. It’s fine, but I don’t have peaky temples which gives off the impression that my forehead is wider than my zygomatic region which is false.

So, I will be getting a temple reconstruction and slight lowering of the hairline.

My hairline:
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Dads hairline and moms brothers hairline at 50+. No one goes past this stage in my family on either side
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Updated hairline goals: rough doodle by me

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After all of this is said and done I will be around 30 years old, and I will move out west to Texas/Arizona to tan max.

All in all, if my jaw surgery + septo is covered by insurance (my orthodontist said it should be), I’m looking at spending around $12000 HT / $10-15,000 Rhino / $5-10,000 Eye surgeries
Total = $27-40k
If insurance doesn’t cover jaw + septo

Total = $60-80k

This should take me from a 6 to a 7~

Rate my plan, and if there’s anything else I could be doing in the meantime?

dm me i want to share my knowledge

 

[Deleted member 18849]

tbh im prob getting lf1 + genio + jaw fillers but im pretty sure its a cope since im 5'8

LL is relatively cheap in Russia

 

[Deleted member 17244]

LL is relatively cheap in Russia

i have $500 salary per month and in the future it goes up like +$300-400 max.

 

[FrenchareMedCucks]

just betabuxxx bro'

 

[Deleted member 2106]

Instead of doing all this shit just play a sport or learn to play guitar tbh

This is not going to give you the satisfaction you think it will

Edit: really I’m just saying you look good bro. go enjoy your life. Looksmaxxing is a means to an end, it should not be an end in itself. You’re just spinning a hamster wheel at this point

 

[indiedude1]

Ur balding bro. Deep recession at the temples. Doesnt matter what ur father or mothers brother was. U are legitimately norwooding

This is how my hairline has looked since 18? It’s a mature hairline and it’s what every man in my family has. Yeah I know it’s not nw0, but it’s not progressing.

 

[indiedude1]

you also need minoxidil for your eyebrows and jaw fillers

Will do more research into oral minox. Jaw fillers might be unnecessary post DJS.

 

[indiedude1]

Instead of doing all this shit just play a sport or learn to play guitar tbh

This is not going to give you the satisfaction you think it will

Edit: really I’m just saying you look good bro. go enjoy your life. Looksmaxxing is a means to an end, it should not be an end in itself. You’re just spinning a hamster wheel at this point

I’m not doing this for girls though? I’m legitimately doing this because I hate getting my photo taken, I can’t smile in social settings, and I don’t like myself.

 

[indiedude1]

He does need LL.

And OP is lying. He's 5'9 but had a rate me post and got told he's kind of short to play around with his tryhard tats air style (not ugly, short), and then changed it up lol.

I say I’m 5ft9 for bodybuilding purposes. I believe im closer to 5ft 10. I’ll check next time I’m at the doctor. Don’t care about my height, I’m taller than most guys I see on a daily basis + girls have never said anything about my height.

 

[indiedude1]

Are you natty?

Yes if you read it you would see that I’m not considering trt or PEDs till after I have kids. Don’t want to risk infertility.

 

[indiedude1]

would you do LL?

No it’s cringe. Most male actors who are chads are 5ft8-5ft10

 

[Deleted member 18776]

ok my advice for u (u wont listen but ill try anyways): dont have ortognatic surgery, this is stupid in your case, too much risks for a 0.1 psl increase.
if were u i would get: the hair transplant soon as possible, 1 ml upper lip fillers (yes this would fix your "jaw" issues) with an expert in male lip fillers to not look gay, them i would reccomend seeing the thread in here about hair and body hair and beard darkening with some oral stuff, this pheno is kind of shit, i ascended darkening the same hair color u have. oral minoxidil for eyebrow and lashes gains and some kind of skincare. would be chad ngl

 

[Deleted member 18776]

getting big eyelashes would give u more psl them jaw surgery jfl