My FIRST Time using Test plan + Current protocol

[Eat My Dust]

Will pin EOD 250-300mg total weekly
(Will use up 2 vials of 2500mg total)

For 16-20 weeks
Have low dose AI, pct on hand, and HGC the whole cycle

The rest of my protocol rn will still apply while doing test

Need some specifics, should I add something more?
And what PCT do u guys recommend I do after the cycle? Anything differently

@aids @KanyeEast @Volksstaffel

 

[aids]

Higher dose
Pin EVERY DAY
Don't need AI, especially not if you use p
HCG 250IU EOD

 

[LooksmaxTV]

mirin low inhib at 17

 

[Eat My Dust]

Higher dose
Pin EVERY DAY
Don't need AI, especially not if you use p
HCG 250IU EOD

Probaly gonna use test C , just pin EOD bc it’s easy and cheap lol
And if never seen test P in 250mg vials lol

 

[aids]

Probaly gonna use test C , just pin EOD bc it’s easy and cheap lol

 

[Eat My Dust]

lol just saw prices, fuck this nah ur right imma just get 4 vials of 200mg test P

Might do AI regalress low dose bc of growth plates ect

 

[kise]

Y

Will pin EOD 250-300mg total weekly
(Will use up 2 vials of 2500mg total)

For 16-20 weeks
Have low dose AI, pct on hand, and HGC the whole cycle

The rest of my protocol rn will still apply while doing test

Need some specifics, should I add something more?
And what PCT do u guys recommend I do after the cycle? Anything differently



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@aids @KanyeEast @Volksstaffel

o don’t need that much accutane. Do you have acne rn?

 

[Eat My Dust]

Y

o don’t need that much accutane. Do you have acne rn?

Already lowered to 20mg

 

[aids]

lol just saw prices, fuck this nah ur right imma just get 4 vials of 200mg test P

Might do AI regalress low dose bc of growth plates ect

 

[Eat My Dust]

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What PCT would be good? My liver might be cooked bc of the Accutane but still, what do you think would be most ideal after those weeks?

Haven’t looked to much into them, bc I just thought “ I’ll just do that research when I already got the shit” but I gotta order everything at once xD

 

[kise]

Already lowered to 20mg

I do 10mg eod and it keeps my oil low.

 

[egyptiansub5]

Will pin EOD 250-300mg total weekly
(Will use up 2 vials of 2500mg total)

For 16-20 weeks
Have low dose AI, pct on hand, and HGC the whole cycle

The rest of my protocol rn will still apply while doing test

Need some specifics, should I add something more?
And what PCT do u guys recommend I do after the cycle? Anything differently



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@aids @KanyeEast @Volksstaffel

mirin im hopping on test too on my 17th birthday soon

 

[aids]

What PCT would be good? My liver might be cooked bc of the Accutane but still, what do you think would be most ideal after those weeks?

Haven’t looked to much into them, bc I just thought “ I’ll just do that research when I already got the shit” but I gotta order everything at once xD

I like enclo.

 

[Orka]

Don't need AI, especially not if you use p

what's the reason behind this?

why would he need to / not need to use ai depending on if he used P or C?
(genuinely wondering, i'm not educated in this field yet)

 

[aids]

what's the reason behind this?

why would he need to / not need to use ai depending on if he used P or C?
(genuinely wondering, i'm not educated in this field yet)

Longer half life and genomic effect of ester = more E2.

 

[Eat My Dust]

mirin im hopping on test too on my 17th birthday soon

Happy broth day in advance

what's the reason behind this?

why would he need to / not need to use ai depending on if he used P or C?
(genuinely wondering, i'm not educated in this field yet)

Bc P keeps things far more stable like ur normal levels + 200mg is quite low

 

[Eat My Dust]

I like enclo.

How would you dose it? Imma just order some of wwb and get 100 pills of 25mg pills

 

[aids]

what's the reason behind this?

why would he need to / not need to use ai depending on if he used P or C?
(genuinely wondering, i'm not educated in this field yet)

Short-acting testosterone appears to have lesser effect on male reproductive potential compared to long-acting testosterone in mice - PubMed

Through a mouse breeding study, mice that received short-acting testosterone were shown to have fertility potential similar to wild-type male mice. Long-acting exogenous testosterone appeared to impair male reproductive capacity and LH levels when compared to short-acting testosterone...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

I also just found this when looking further into your question.
Test p > Test e for it won't suppress you as much?
Only reason that p would be inferior is that there is possibly relatively more nitrogen retention on e/c?

 

[aids]

How would you dose it? Imma just order some of wwb and get 100 pills of 25mg pills

25mg/day for 4 weeks

 

[Orka]

Short-acting testosterone appears to have lesser effect on male reproductive potential compared to long-acting testosterone in mice - PubMed

Through a mouse breeding study, mice that received short-acting testosterone were shown to have fertility potential similar to wild-type male mice. Long-acting exogenous testosterone appeared to impair male reproductive capacity and LH levels when compared to short-acting testosterone...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

I also just found this when looking further into your question.
Test p > Test e for it won't suppress you as much?
Only reason that p would be inferior is that there is possibly relatively more nitrogen retention on e/c?

Very cool! Thanks! I'll look into this further

 

[Eat My Dust]

25mg/day for 4 weeks

Alr thanks, okey so bc of the shorter half life of test P, how many vials (200mg/ml 10ml vials) would I need for the whole cycle if I want good muscle growth

 

[aids]

Very cool! Thanks! I'll look into this further

 

[aids]

Alr thanks, okey so bc of the shorter half life of test P, how many vials (200mg/ml 10ml vials) would I need for the whole cycle if I want good muscle growth

Depends on dose bruh.
What am I to tell you here.
If you do 10 weeks of 200mg/week then you need one vial.
Good to get an extra in case.
Just see what you need for your protocol and round up.

 

[care]

Will pin EOD 250-300mg total weekly
(Will use up 2 vials of 2500mg total)

For 16-20 weeks
Have low dose AI, pct on hand, and HGC the whole cycle

The rest of my protocol rn will still apply while doing test

Need some specifics, should I add something more?
And what PCT do u guys recommend I do after the cycle? Anything differently



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@aids @KanyeEast @Volksstaffel

Up the dose, lower the cycle 10-12 weeks is ideal

 

[egyptiansub5]

Happy broth day in advance


Bc P keeps things far more stable like ur normal levels + 200mg is quite low

thanks

 

[egyptiansub5]

Short-acting testosterone appears to have lesser effect on male reproductive potential compared to long-acting testosterone in mice - PubMed

Through a mouse breeding study, mice that received short-acting testosterone were shown to have fertility potential similar to wild-type male mice. Long-acting exogenous testosterone appeared to impair male reproductive capacity and LH levels when compared to short-acting testosterone...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

I also just found this when looking further into your question.
Test p > Test e for it won't suppress you as much?
Only reason that p would be inferior is that there is possibly relatively more nitrogen retention on e/c?

should i take test e or p

 

[aids]

should i take test e or p

P!

 

[egyptiansub5]

P!

whats the difference in price or is it the same

 

[7evenvox22]

P!

quick question do you think it’s worth switching from test e to test p?
i’ve been running 500mg test e per week and feeling great, but i’m about to restock soon and debating if the switch is worth it.
did you notice any real difference between the two?

 

[egyptiansub5]

quick question do you think it’s worth switching from test e to test p?
i’ve been running 500mg test e per week and feeling great, but i’m about to restock soon and debating if the switch is worth it.
did you notice any real difference between the two?

did u notice any side effects bhai

 

[aids]

quick question do you think it’s worth switching from test e to test p?
i’ve been running 500mg test e per week and feeling great, but i’m about to restock soon and debating if the switch is worth it.
did you notice any real difference between the two?

Yes worth switch

 

[7evenvox22]

did u notice any side effects bhai

not really bhai, 500mg is basically a trt dose
depends on how you personally respond though

 

[egyptiansub5]

not really bhai, 500mg is basically a trt dose
depends on how you personally respond though

500 mg is def not a trt dose nigga

 

[Eat My Dust]

Depends on dose bruh.
What am I to tell you here.
If you do 10 weeks of 200mg/week then you need one vial.
Good to get an extra in case.
Just see what you need for your protocol and round up.

Okey but bc the half-life is shorter on test P, won’t I need to inject more test per week to get the same results?
I want to get the effect of having 250test a week. But bc half-life is shorter I prob need more

 

[egyptiansub5]

Okey but bc the half-life is shorter on test P, won’t I need to inject more test per week to get the same results?
I want to get the effect of having 250test a week. But bc half-life is shorter I prob need more

nigga just pin test e and call it a day

 

[Eat My Dust]

Dumbass lil bro

nigga just pin test e and call it a day

 

[egyptiansub5]

Dumbass lil bro

which ester are u gonna use

 

[7evenvox22]

500 mg is def not a trt dose nigga

true, but honestly i don’t see a point in running less than 500mg either just from personal experience
it’s the sweet spot

 

[Eat My Dust]

which ester are u gonna use

Test P

 

[IBlameClavicular0]

Higher dose
Pin EVERY DAY
Don't need AI, especially not if you use p
HCG 250IU EOD

would u still need ED injections if you were doing Test E?

I was planning on doing EOD since the half life is long

 

[IBlameClavicular0]

Test P

why would you go for Test P instead of smth like Test E?

 

[Eat My Dust]

why would you go for Test P instead of smth like Test E?

Bc of less sides

 

[IBlameClavicular0]

Bc of less sides

such as?

I'm assuming just aromatization, right?

 

[Eat My Dust]

such as?

I'm assuming just aromatization, right?

Bassicly all of the sides get better if ur more near ur natural way of levels

 

[IBlameClavicular0]

such as?

I'm assuming just aromatization, right?

nvm just read the article aids dropped above

 

[IBlameClavicular0]

Longer half life and genomic effect of ester = more E2.

interesting point

but you say this based on what?

couldn't find any study supporting this

 

[IBlameClavicular0]

Short-acting testosterone appears to have lesser effect on male reproductive potential compared to long-acting testosterone in mice - PubMed

Through a mouse breeding study, mice that received short-acting testosterone were shown to have fertility potential similar to wild-type male mice. Long-acting exogenous testosterone appeared to impair male reproductive capacity and LH levels when compared to short-acting testosterone...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

I also just found this when looking further into your question.
Test p > Test e for it won't suppress you as much?
Only reason that p would be inferior is that there is possibly relatively more nitrogen retention on e/c?

Once again interesting study, but it doesn’t really change anything IMO.

Whether you use P, C, or E, your LH still hits zero on a cycle like this (300mg/week 12-weeks).

The only time ester matters is if you’re microdosing, which isn’t the case here

 

[7evenvox22]

interesting point

but you say this based on what?

couldn't find any study supporting this

more frequent injections = more stable t levels = less e2 spiking.
propionate has 1 day half life, cypionate has 8 day half life
prop needs daily pins, so serum t never peaks as high.
higher peaks mean more substrate for aromatase which leads to more e2 conversion.
longer esters keep t elevated for longer, which gives aromatase more total exposure to convert t into e2 over time
I couldn't find a direct study comparing E2 output between both esters
@aids correct me if im wrong

 

[IBlameClavicular0]

more frequent injections = more stable t levels = less e2 spiking.
propionate has 1 day half life, cypionate has 8 day half life
prop needs daily pins, so serum t never peaks as high.
higher peaks mean more substrate for aromatase which leads to more e2 conversion.
longer esters keep t elevated for longer, which gives aromatase more total exposure to convert t into e2 over time
I couldn't find a direct study comparing E2 output between both esters
@aids correct me if im wrong

yeah but u could still pin Test C or E EOD or even ED.

and it would even be more stable than ED P injections.

 

[Eat My Dust]

@aids Can u tell me the dosing if I use Test P daily and want the effects of 250-300mg test weekly (if it were test E/C)