my height

[tomacōck]

He's not retarded, there's so much disinformation and bro science on here that even smart people can get overly idealistic over copes

There is no point of pinning gh for lipolysis, if he really wants to cut down he can js hop on DNP or GLP1 agonists...
And why run a cycle at his age? LM really is full of empty minds chasing foolish dreams

 

[jester]

He claims to not pin it for height but for muscular development
Hes a retard, no point in proving anything

lol at your iq

 

[tomacōck]

i’m aware, that’s why i don’t mean to surpass my genetic potential, i just want to get there faster, while also aiming for optimal body recomposition, which gh is great at, thanks to the supraphysiological rate of lipolysis and the anabolic effects of igf-1

Just why

 

[tomacōck]

lol at your iq

Iq? How do you connect iq with that?
Nevertheless if you really want anabolism why not actual roids? If you want to cut down why not dnp or glp1 agonists?

 

[jester]

There is no point of pinning gh for lipolysis, if he really wants to cut down he can js hop on DNP or GLP1 agonists...
And why run a cycle at his age? LM really is full of empty minds chasing foolish dreams

you might actually be mentally disabled
i will explain for the third time
lipolysis on its own is *not* the main goal, body recomposition is, reta is only optimal for lipolysis
hgh is optimal for body recomposition (which combines lipolysis in an anabolic state)
reta puts you in a catabolic state, gh doesn’t

 

[jester]

Just why

simplicity

 

[jester]

Iq? How do you connect iq with that?
Nevertheless if you really want anabolism why not actual roids? If you want to cut down why not dnp or glp1 agonists?

cause i already explained three times
read what you typed again and you might understand why exogenous gh is more efficient

 

[tomacōck]

you might actually be mentally disabled
i will explain for the third time
lipolysis on its own is *not* the main goal, body recomposition is, reta is only optimal for lipolysis
hgh is optimal for body recomposition (which combines lipolysis in an anabolic state)
reta puts you in a catabolic state, gh doesn’t

Just run one at a time??
Why do you want it all at once?

 

[tomacōck]

cause i already explained three times
read what you typed again and you might understand why exogenous gh is more efficient

You are yet to present proof

 

[jester]

Just run one at a time??
Why do you want it all at once?

again, efficiency
less time, same results=more efficient
more time, same results=less efficient

 

[jester]

You are yet to present proof

proof of what

 

[tomacōck]

proof of what

Of it being greater then, idk, just pinning test???

 

[tomacōck]

again, efficiency
less time, same results=more efficient
more time, same results=less efficient

Why do you need it?

 

[jester]

Why do you need it?

need what? gh? or the extra time that i gain?

 

[tomacōck]

need what? gh?

Efficiency?? Atp this is minmax

 

[jester]

Of it being greater then, idk, just pinning test???

bro okay
to stay on a viable test cycle you need:
test
ai
bloodwork
potentially dht blockers
hcg and/or enclo for pct
to stay on a viable hgh cycle you need:
hgh
glucometer
ghrp for pct *if you want*
this is my proof, it’s pretty obvious which one is less of a hassle

 

[jester]

Efficiency?? Atp this is minmax

cause it’s law
why would i pick the harder/longer route to get the same results lol

 

[tomacōck]

bro okay
to stay on a viable test cycle you need:
test
ai
bloodwork
potentially dht blockers
hcg and/or enclo for pct
to stay on a viable hgh cycle you need:
hgh
glucometer
ghrp for pct *if you want*
this is my proof

Why would you need ghrps for pct? To get the pituitary working?
Well if you want to, do it. I wouldn't call it optimal nevertheless

 

[tomacōck]

cause it’s law
why would i pick the harder/longer route to get the same results lol

Longer =/= harder

 

[jester]

Longer =/= harder

here ≠

anyway i didn’t put “/“ cause they’re the same, it’s cause they’re both detrimental to efficiency

 

[jester]

Why would you need ghrps for pct? To get the pituitary working?
Well if you want to, do it. I wouldn't call it optimal nevertheless

yes

 

[tomacōck]

here ≠

anyway i didn’t put “/“ cause they’re the same, it’s cause they’re both detrimental to efficiency

Why care about efficiency when you can go simple? There is no point to rush

 

[jester]

Why care about efficiency when you can go simple? There is no point to rush

that’s the whole point
hgh is a lot simpler to stay on compared to test, and it virtually gets me the same results, even if it doesn’t, it gets me results required to make me pick it over test, which is good enough for me

 

[tomacōck]

that’s the whole point
hgh is a lot simpler to stay on compared to test, and it virtually gets me the same results, even if it doesn’t, it gets me results required to make me pick it over test, which is good enough for me

I do not agree nor do I see reason to prove otherwise

 

[jester]

I do not agree nor do I see reason to prove otherwise

sure

 

[o_Owtf]

i’m aware, that’s why i don’t mean to surpass my genetic potential, i just want to get there faster, while also aiming for optimal body recomposition, which gh is great at, thanks to the supraphysiological rate of lipolysis and the anabolic effects of igf-1

Alright, sure, maybe you can make it work if that's what your goal. I'm not gonna try and stop you from doing anything but from the perspective of an outsider it just seems like a very small benefit compared to the venture. Let's say your method works and you wake up tomorrow 188cm. This is the difference

And every day that difference will grow smaller and smaller. By age 18 this is going to be the difference

By 19 the difference is going to be imperceptible. Considering that even in this unrealistically optimal scenario the gains are so small and fleeting, is it really worth playing around with your biology and health for that?

 

[abzz!]

all i was asking for was a “mirin”
sad

mirin

 

[2s2f]

At 173cm ig i' mirin

Your taller than me

 

[jester]

Alright, sure, maybe you can make it work if that's what your goal. I'm not gonna try and stop you from doing anything but from the perspective of an outsider it just seems like a very small benefit compared to the venture. Let's say your method works and you wake up tomorrow 188cm. This is the difference
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And every day that difference will grow smaller and smaller. By age 18 this is going to be the difference
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By 19 the difference is going to be imperceptible. Considering that even in this unrealistically optimal scenario the gains are so small and fleeting, is it really worth playing around with your biology and health for that?

you saying i’ll most def get to 188 even without hgh is a bold statement, you don’t know how tall my parents are, or what tanner stage i’m at
my dad’s 182, my mom’s 170, i’m tanner stage 4.5

 

[o_Owtf]

you saying i’ll most def get to 188 even without hgh is a bold statement, you don’t know how tall my parents are
my dad’s 182, my mom’s 170

At an age of 16 years a lot of uncertainty around your final height gets reduced, because by now most of the genes regarding height have probably kicked into gear. Statistically your odds are 50/50 you reach 188, but probably a bit higher if you take care of yourself better than the average 16 year old.

Besides, my point in the last post I wrote you is pretty much the same regardless of what your final height will be, 188cm was just meant to be an example. What I'm trying to say is

1. GH isn't going to make you taller at this point, especially if you don't have endocrine issues
2. If your goal is to reach your final height faster with hormones then the juice is probably not worth the squeeze, since the gains are so minor and transient. Regardless if you'll end up 188cm, 184cm, 191cm, or whatever.

 

[masseter10]

i js measured myself again and i’m 184-185cm, we’re just gonna say 184 tho, 16yo
mirin?
i hope i can get to 188 with hgh (i already ordered it just waiting for it to arrive)

idgaf

 

[jester]

At an age of 16 years a lot of uncertainty around your final height gets reduced, because by now most of the genes regarding height have probably kicked into gear. Statistically your odds are 50/50 you reach 188, but probably a bit higher if you take care of yourself better than the average 16 year old.

Besides, my point in the last post I wrote you is pretty much the same regardless of what your final height will be, 188cm was just meant to be an example. What I'm trying to say is

1. GH isn't going to make you taller at this point, especially if you don't have endocrine issues
2. If your goal is to reach your final height faster with hormones then the juice is probably not worth the squeeze, since the gains are so minor and transient. Regardless if you'll end up 188cm, 184cm, 191cm, or whatever.

to me it’s worth it counting the other goals

 

[o_Owtf]

to me it’s worth it counting the other goals

Sure, go ahead then. Whatever you decide to do good luck.

 

[jester]

Sure, go ahead then. Whatever you decide to do good luck.

thanks man
hopefully i don’t get diabetes or cancer lol