My MARPE Before and After - Stronger/Higher Cheekbones and Upturned Orbitals

[repulse]

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Ask me anything.

Nasal breathing gains are the best part.

IMO, MARPE/FME should be the first step on anyone's surgical journey.

Is this like actual surgery or just expander ?

 

[ActualMax]

Nice! What are your thoughts about getting an expander when you already have a wider face but a narrow palate?

Good in moderation. You want to stay within the 4-6mm range of expansion.

Will also really help with nasal breathing and smile width, which is a bonus. Feel free to DM me your face/scans and I can help you out.

Is this like actual surgery or just expander ?

Just expander.

 

[RoadToLowMTN]

Yes, go for it, but consult with a good orthodontist that knows their shit about expansion in young people.

I sleep better for sure.

Breathe through my nose the whole night and just feel 20% calmer throughout the day because I have more oxygen.

The only thing left is convince the ortho to give me RPE instead of cucking me with braces

 

[HorseMan7]

IMO, MARPE/FME should be the first step on anyone's surgical journey.

I disagree. If nasal breathing and zygomatic width are already good, what's the point? Segmental lefort could be better for some people. Also, why not do SARPE instead if you are going for skeletal expansion? Isn't that more precise?

 

[ActualMax]

I disagree. If nasal breathing and zygomatic width are already good, what's the point? Segmental lefort could be better for some people. Also, why not do SARPE instead if you are going for skeletal expansion? Isn't that more precise?

Most people that have recessed maxilla/mandible etc. probably have it as a result of poor nasal breathing over time. Even those that feel like their nasal breathing is good will see benefit.

A good rule of thumb is to look at your mandible in relation to your maxilla. You want your maxilla to be around 5mm wider than your mandible. If it's not, expansion can help you have a better bite.

At the end of the day, it helps a TON with your face's function.

Sure, if your nasal breathing is already PERFECT, then go with segmental if that's what works for you and your doctor.

 

[HorseMan7]

Most people that have recessed maxilla/mandible etc. probably have it as a result of poor nasal breathing over time. Even those that feel like their nasal breathing is good will see benefit.

A good rule of thumb is to look at your mandible in relation to your maxilla. You want your maxilla to be around 5mm wider than your mandible. If it's not, expansion can help you have a better bite.

At the end of the day, it helps a TON with your face's function.

Sure, if your nasal breathing is already PERFECT, then go with segmental if that's what works for you and your doctor.

Your first point on the cause of recession is debatable. I'm not really convinced, but that's besides the point.

Segmental improves nasal breathing too. And I think you have to consider the aesthetic side effects of MARPE vs segmental. If your mid face width is already where it's supposed to be, expansion can make you look like a balloon. Plus, MARPE will create a gap. When you pull your incisors in to close that gap, your teeth move backwards. That's an aesthetic compromise. It's a functional compromise because your lips lose support. The other issue is maybe you are narrower towards the posterior of your palate. In that case, segmental might be the better option. Marpe will give the most expansion towards the anterior. Maybe it's worth it for some people, but not for all.

 

[ActualMax]

Your first point on the cause of recession is debatable. I'm not really convinced, but that's besides the point.

Segmental improves nasal breathing too. And I think you have to consider the aesthetic side effects of MARPE vs segmental. If your mid face width is already where it's supposed to be, expansion can make you look like a balloon. Plus, MARPE will create a gap. When you pull your incisors in to close that gap, your teeth move backwards. That's an aesthetic compromise. It's a functional compromise because your lips lose support. The other issue is maybe you are narrower towards the posterior of your palate. In that case, segmental might be the better option. Marpe will give the most expansion towards the anterior. Maybe it's worth it for some people, but not for all.

I agree, MARPE is a tool to accomplish certain things and a segmental is another tool. It depends on what you want.

In terms of nasal breathing gains, MARPE is significantly superior in increasing nasal volume.

 

[Elijah_leo]

You also need to make sure that your mandible is wide enough to support such expansion. Otherwise you will permanently ruin your bite and face.

How to know if mandible is wide enough for expansion? I have crowding in the lower jaw buy that's due to the fact the upper jaw is a bit narrow so the lower jaw didn't get full expansion, so what can be done in this case?

 

[ActualMax]

How to know if mandible is wide enough for expansion? I have crowding in the lower jaw buy that's due to the fact the upper jaw is a bit narrow so the lower jaw didn't get full expansion, so what can be done in this case?

Go to an orthodontist and you can ask them for an opinion.

Also, feel free to send me some pics and I can take a look.

 

[hungrythanos414]

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Ask me anything.

Nasal breathing gains are the best part.

IMO, MARPE/FME should be the first step on anyone's surgical journey.

wait ur orbitals got wider?

 

[ActualMax]

wait ur orbitals got wider?

yes

 

[HorseMan7]

I agree, MARPE is a tool to accomplish certain things and a segmental is another tool. It depends on what you want.

In terms of nasal breathing gains, MARPE is significantly superior in increasing nasal volume.

True

 

[hungrythanos414]

yes

how at 25? thats crazy bro wtf are u larping

 

[ActualMax]

how at 25? thats crazy bro wtf are u larping

easy at 25 tbh with custom marpe, didn't even have surgical assist, no larp here brother

 

[adam_ross2549]

Yeah, you could probably due with a bit of expansion to fix ur buccal corridors. All expansion is limited by the width of your mandible, so if you feel like you have some room to expand, then go for it.

if you widen your upper jaw what happens to the lower jaw?

 

[ActualMax]

if you widen your upper jaw what happens to the lower jaw?

If you want the bite to line up, you have to tilt the lower jaw teeth outward to accompany the expansion of the upper jaw to maintain a good bite. Orthodontics are required.

 

[dages]

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Ask me anything.

Nasal breathing gains are the best part.

IMO, MARPE/FME should be the first step on anyone's surgical journey.

Face pics?

 

[adam_ross2549]

If you want the bite to line up, you have to tilt the lower jaw teeth outward to accompany the expansion of the upper jaw to maintain a good bite. Orthodontics are required.

whats the difference between doing this and having a segmental lefort done

 

[normie tiktoker]

For anyone here under 45mm maxilla this is practically mandatory.

But I have a question @ActualMax, did you see mandibular gains? Or symmetry gains? Thanks

 

[slice]

Good in moderation. You want to stay within the 4-6mm range of expansion.

Will also really help with nasal breathing and smile width, which is a bonus. Feel free to DM me your face/scans and I can help you out.

thanks, I DMed you