Natural Cut VS Reta Cut

[shikimorilover69]

Its common knowledge that when you are on a higher calorie defeict you will lose more muscle.
E.g on a natural cut you may be on a 300-400 calorie defecit but reta it may well be more than 1000 depending on your dosage.
But then reta you will loose more muscle per day but on natural cut you will loose less muscle per day.
However, on the reta cut you will complete it faster whereas the natural cut will take longer.
So naturally you loose less muscle per day but over a longer period of time, whereas on reta you loose more muscle per day but it takes shorter to complete.
So the question is which option would cause the least TOTAL muscle loss?
Is there an optimum deficit?

 

[lmx_Panda_asnmv]

There is indeed an optimum deficit, and that is collectively known to be close to 500 cals, but defo not more than 600-650. Now, it does depend on your current fat oxidation limit/cap. Theres a doctor who made this limit/cap based on your lean mass and your bf%, based on this it gives you a theoretica limit of how much fat you can oxidise on any given day.

Its calculated and theoretical, and depends on alot of variables, One of the most important ones being Insulin.

Lets take a case scenario, 63kg dude whos 20% bf

Assuming your weight is 62 kg and you have 20% body fat, your theoretical maximum daily fat oxidation limit is
calculated to be approximately 858 kcal. However, this is based on continuous fat mobilization over 24 hours. If you
eat three meals a day, each causing insulin levels to rise for roughly 4 hours, this inhibits fat burning during those
periods. This reduces your effective fat mobilization window. Taking these insulin-elevated periods into account, your
practical, time-adjusted fat burning cap for a day would be closer to 429 kcal. This value is theoretical and
represents an upper limit; in practice, individual factors and the nature of your body fat (e.g., stubborn fat) could
mean your actual usable limit is lower.

Easy Fat: Some fat mobilizes very easily. It has high blood flow and lots of beta receptors
Stubborn Fat: Subcutaneous fat (lower belly) has poor blood flow and lots of
"alpha-receptors" (which tell cells to hold fat).

As you get leaner (like the 15% example), you are left with mostly stubborn fat. The actual
mobilization rate of that specific fat is lower than 31.4 kcal/lb.

This is because fat that your body sees as important are related to Alpha receptors, and parts that arent are correlated to Beta recpetors. This is how clenbuterol works for fat loss, bodybuilders take it to activate/stimulate the Beta 2 and 3 pathways, allowing for far easier lipolysis and free flowing fatty acids.

Now, the great thing with reta is that its a triple agonist, allowing it to influence the GIP pathway, hence, keeping blood insulin reponse really regulated, and keeping overall insulin levels below normal phisiological levels.
This means it in turn increases your daily fat oxidation limit by about 100-400 cals (Depending on your leanness, dosage of reta, blood sugar management through diet, etc.)

To answer your question directly, the best way to loose fat without muscle is to microdose Reta, as it allows for you to remian in a longer state of continous fat loss via GIP pathway.

The main mistake people make is megadosing and not eating at all, you are going over your theoretical fat burning limit.

If you would like to calculate your max fat burning potential, ask AI to give you yours, its called the Alpert Limit.

Ask it to take into account the number of meals youll be having as well

TL DR : Take 1-2mg reta and stay in a 500-800 cal deficit bro

 

[Bitchwhipper2]

A reta cut leads to better metabolic health outcomes even when total amount of fat lost is controlled for

 

[shikimorilover69]

There is indeed an optimum deficit, and that is collectively known to be close to 500 cals, but defo not more than 600-650. Now, it does depend on your current fat oxidation limit/cap. Theres a doctor who made this limit/cap based on your lean mass and your bf%, based on this it gives you a theoretica limit of how much fat you can oxidise on any given day.

Its calculated and theoretical, and depends on alot of variables, One of the most important ones being Insulin.

Lets take a case scenario, 63kg dude whos 20% bf

Assuming your weight is 62 kg and you have 20% body fat, your theoretical maximum daily fat oxidation limit is
calculated to be approximately 858 kcal. However, this is based on continuous fat mobilization over 24 hours. If you
eat three meals a day, each causing insulin levels to rise for roughly 4 hours, this inhibits fat burning during those
periods. This reduces your effective fat mobilization window. Taking these insulin-elevated periods into account, your
practical, time-adjusted fat burning cap for a day would be closer to 429 kcal. This value is theoretical and
represents an upper limit; in practice, individual factors and the nature of your body fat (e.g., stubborn fat) could
mean your actual usable limit is lower.

Easy Fat: Some fat mobilizes very easily. It has high blood flow and lots of beta receptors
Stubborn Fat: Subcutaneous fat (lower belly) has poor blood flow and lots of
"alpha-receptors" (which tell cells to hold fat).

As you get leaner (like the 15% example), you are left with mostly stubborn fat. The actual
mobilization rate of that specific fat is lower than 31.4 kcal/lb.

This is because fat that your body sees as important are related to Alpha receptors, and parts that arent are correlated to Beta recpetors. This is how clenbuterol works for fat loss, bodybuilders take it to activate/stimulate the Beta 2 and 3 pathways, allowing for far easier lipolysis and free flowing fatty acids.

Now, the great thing with reta is that its a triple agonist, allowing it to influence the GIP pathway, hence, keeping blood insulin reponse really regulated, and keeping overall insulin levels below normal phisiological levels.
This means it in turn increases your daily fat oxidation limit by about 100-400 cals (Depending on your leanness, dosage of reta, blood sugar management through diet, etc.)

To answer your question directly, the best way to loose fat without muscle is to microdose Reta, as it allows for you to remian in a longer state of continous fat loss via GIP pathway.

The main mistake people make is megadosing and not eating at all, you are going over your theoretical fat burning limit.

If you would like to calculate your max fat burning potential, ask AI to give you yours, its called the Alpert Limit.

Ask it to take into account the number of meals youll be having as well

TL DR : Take 1-2mg reta and stay in a 500-800 cal deficit bro

Would you add the Alpert limit along with some estimate if the extra fat burned from reta? And then dose reta until your in the optimum deficit? So this will allow me to minimise the muscle loss

 

[lmx_Panda_asnmv]

Would you add the Alpert limit along with some estimate if the extra fat burned from reta? And then dose reta until your in the optimum deficit? So this will allow me to minimise the muscle loss

all depends on your reta dosing, current weight, current bodyfat%, etc. info dependant, but, honestly, running 1-2mg and not going over 500-600 cals will always be a safe bet, im assuming youre decently lean, or maybe not, i dont know who you are man.

 

[shikimorilover69]

all depends on your reta dosing, current weight, current bodyfat%, etc. info dependant, but, honestly, running 1-2mg and not going over 500-600 cals will always be a safe bet, im assuming youre decently lean, or maybe not, i dont know who you are man.

Im like 25-30% bf why else would I be pinning reta jfl
So I asked AI and it said my alpert limit is like 1200 calories+. Wtf
So 3-5mg reta?

 

[Bugmaxxed]

Reta seems like a better option

For me, I went from 81kg to 60kg in a few months. i didn't eat as much protein as i should've which lead to me not losing as much fat as i couldve

Reta aids in fat loss however and you really don't have to work as hard in general

Muscle loss is big, but if you gymcel and eat hella protein while you're in a deficit, it definitely wont be as bad

I will be taking reta to get from 60kg to 48kg next month

 

[shikimorilover69]

Reta seems like a better option

For me, I went from 81kg to 60kg in a few months. i didn't eat as much protein as i should've which lead to me not losing as much fat as i couldve

Reta aids in fat loss however and you really don't have to work as hard in general

Muscle loss is big, but if you gymcel and eat hella protein while you're in a deficit, it definitely wont be as bad

I will be taking reta to get from 60kg to 48kg next month

48KG??? How tall r u bro wtf ur gonna become a twink

 

[Bugmaxxed]

48KG??? How tall r u bro wtf ur gonna become a twink

177 with lifts

 

[edodalic29]

You dont lose muscle on reta it preserves muscle , if u lose muscle then ur eating in a too low of a deficit and need to up your protein intake and carbs

 

[lmx_Panda_asnmv]

Im like 25-30% bf why else would I be pinning reta jfl
So I asked AI and it said my alpert limit is like 1200 calories+. Wtf
So 3-5mg reta?

That is taking into cpnsideration that you don t eat the whole day, which is ofc not possible. Now, based on that, 3 meals a day, means 12 hours of insulin elevation, cut that number of 1300 about in half, meaning 650 cals, reta adds about 150 cals to that limit.

Note, alpert limit changes as you reduce weight

Additionally, reta effect on GIP and Glucagon diminish as receptors desentsitise.

Start at a deficit of no more than 900 (as you may eat only 2 meals instead of 3 due to appetitie suppression, reducing total elevated insulin, more of a fat bruning state)

Then reduce as weight reduces.

Eat your fucking protein bro

 

[shikimorilover69]

177 with lifts

bruh you're literally gonna get the reze physique ur gonna be twink

 

[Bugmaxxed]

bruh you're literally gonna get the reze physique ur gonna be twink

Need to get lean. lean is law i weigh 60kg and still look fat i need to cut more. im still eating in a deficit but my weight isnt going up or down so maybe im not tracking my calories right or smn

 

[lucifer88]

Im like 25-30% bf why else would I be pinning reta jfl
So I asked AI and it said my alpert limit is like 1200 calories+. Wtf
So 3-5mg reta?

wow bro youre fat as fuck, literally feeding the anime redditors stereotypes

 

[shikimorilover69]

wow bro youre fat as fuck, literally feeding the anime redditors stereotypes

Im fat not weak I bench 110kg and I can still run decently well

 

[lucifer88]

Im fat not weak I bench 110kg and I can still run decently well

still fat

 

[shikimorilover69]

still fat

but not anime redditor sterotype

 

[5.5psl]

just take tren bro be on a 1000+ calorie deficit and still hit prs on prs in the gym lol i ate 1k calories today yet was able to do 15 reps of lateral raises with 32.5kg dumbells with absolute strict form ( was not able to do in a bulk )
tren is absolutely monstrous ngl

 

[shikimorilover69]

Need to get lean. lean is law i weigh 60kg and still look fat i need to cut more. im still eating in a deficit but my weight isnt going up or down so maybe im not tracking my calories right or smn

lean is law but not malnutrition is law
U need to lift take roids or something

 

[Bugmaxxed]

lean is law but not malnutrition is law
U need to lift take roids or something

Gym just opened right by my house gonna start going

But when I first lost weight I literally just didnt eat and it cucked me

 

[shikimorilover69]

Gym just opened right by my house gonna start going

But when I first lost weight I literally just didnt eat and it cucked me

Yuh go gym. But being twink has its advantages (i'd rather be a twink then this fat shape i'm in idc about gym only reason i go is bcz if im fat and weak its embarassing but if i'm strong i can larp and say i'm bulking)0

 

[Bugmaxxed]

Yuh go gym. But being twink has its advantages (i'd rather be a twink then this fat shape i'm in idc about gym only reason i go is bcz if im fat and weak its embarassing but if i'm strong i can larp and say i'm bulking)0

Yes you can definitely larp that

But having a good physique is better than both

 

[shikimorilover69]

Yes you can definitely larp that

But having a good physique is better than both

Wht about getting the reze physique

 

[Bugmaxxed]

Wht about getting the reze physique

Obviously ideal

Realistically reze is an ideal foid she has to be at least HHTB right?!

 

[m0ss26]

Retatrutide is muscle sparing in adequate dosages.

 

[shikimorilover69]

Obviously ideal

Realistically reze is an ideal foid she has to be at least HHTB right?!

yh and women who can actually fight is ideal in general tbh cuz they can protect u
ts is also why i love shikimori , zero two, etc.

 

[Bugmaxxed]

yh and women who can actually fight is ideal in general tbh cuz they can protect u
ts is also why i love shikimori , zero two, etc.

2d foids>>3d

 

[ferfdd]

Need to get lean. lean is law i weigh 60kg and still look fat i need to cut more. im still eating in a deficit but my weight isnt going up or down so maybe im not tracking my calories right or smn

How tall r u 30bf and 60kg

 

[Bugmaxxed]

How tall r u 30bf and 60kg

5'8

 

[shikimorilover69]

5'8

Taller than me by 1cm

 

[Sinam]

That is taking into cpnsideration that you don t eat the whole day, which is ofc not possible. Now, based on that, 3 meals a day, means 12 hours of insulin elevation, cut that number of 1300 about in half, meaning 650 cals, reta adds about 150 cals to that limit.

Note, alpert limit changes as you reduce weight

Additionally, reta effect on GIP and Glucagon diminish as receptors desentsitise.

Start at a deficit of no more than 900 (as you may eat only 2 meals instead of 3 due to appetitie suppression, reducing total elevated insulin, more of a fat bruning state)

Then reduce as weight reduces.

Eat your fucking protein bro

Bro you know insulin doesn't shut down fat burning to 0 right? It's literally just CICO unless you have insane amounts of metabolic derangements.

 

[edodalic29]

There is indeed an optimum deficit, and that is collectively known to be close to 500 cals, but defo not more than 600-650. Now, it does depend on your current fat oxidation limit/cap. Theres a doctor who made this limit/cap based on your lean mass and your bf%, based on this it gives you a theoretica limit of how much fat you can oxidise on any given day.

Its calculated and theoretical, and depends on alot of variables, One of the most important ones being Insulin.

Lets take a case scenario, 63kg dude whos 20% bf

Assuming your weight is 62 kg and you have 20% body fat, your theoretical maximum daily fat oxidation limit is
calculated to be approximately 858 kcal. However, this is based on continuous fat mobilization over 24 hours. If you
eat three meals a day, each causing insulin levels to rise for roughly 4 hours, this inhibits fat burning during those
periods. This reduces your effective fat mobilization window. Taking these insulin-elevated periods into account, your
practical, time-adjusted fat burning cap for a day would be closer to 429 kcal. This value is theoretical and
represents an upper limit; in practice, individual factors and the nature of your body fat (e.g., stubborn fat) could
mean your actual usable limit is lower.

Easy Fat: Some fat mobilizes very easily. It has high blood flow and lots of beta receptors
Stubborn Fat: Subcutaneous fat (lower belly) has poor blood flow and lots of
"alpha-receptors" (which tell cells to hold fat).

As you get leaner (like the 15% example), you are left with mostly stubborn fat. The actual
mobilization rate of that specific fat is lower than 31.4 kcal/lb.

This is because fat that your body sees as important are related to Alpha receptors, and parts that arent are correlated to Beta recpetors. This is how clenbuterol works for fat loss, bodybuilders take it to activate/stimulate the Beta 2 and 3 pathways, allowing for far easier lipolysis and free flowing fatty acids.

Now, the great thing with reta is that its a triple agonist, allowing it to influence the GIP pathway, hence, keeping blood insulin reponse really regulated, and keeping overall insulin levels below normal phisiological levels.
This means it in turn increases your daily fat oxidation limit by about 100-400 cals (Depending on your leanness, dosage of reta, blood sugar management through diet, etc.)

To answer your question directly, the best way to loose fat without muscle is to microdose Reta, as it allows for you to remian in a longer state of continous fat loss via GIP pathway.

The main mistake people make is megadosing and not eating at all, you are going over your theoretical fat burning limit.

If you would like to calculate your max fat burning potential, ask AI to give you yours, its called the Alpert Limit.

Ask it to take into account the number of meals youll be having as well

TL DR : Take 1-2mg reta and stay in a 500-800 cal deficit bro

High IQ . God bless

 

[lmx_Panda_asnmv]

Bro you know insulin doesn't shut down fat burning to 0 right? It's literally just CICO unless you have insane amounts of metabolic derangements.

Yes, you have a point there, but it significantly blunts lipolysis, and rather shits body to a fat storage rather than a lipolysis mode, essentially cutting down lipolysis by 80%, potentially even more, and honestly, considering the guys on this sub dont believe in having good diets, and just spew garbage like

"Steak is cope, ill spend the money on steroids"

and proceed to spend fucking more money than they would on ground meat/eggs on chocolate bars and chips, like, honestly, they have horribly regulated metabolisms, and i wouldnt be surprised if this guy had chronically elevated insulin from his sub par - shit food choices he was making daily.

Valid point though, CICO does matter alot, but thats specifically for non-enhanced individuals, the compounds hes taking DO have an effect.

Insulin binds to receptors on adipocytes activating the PI3K/Akt signaling pathway

This reduces cAMP levels

Lower cAMP levels = lower PKA, which is what activates hormone-sensitive lipase

This doesnt let Hormone Sensitive lipase (enzyme that breaksdown fat and turns into free flowing fatty acids)

CICO determines weight, but hormones determine composition. If you want to use reta to partition nutrients and strip fat, you need the insulin pathway shut down

*** (for the majority of the day, save it for post workout, insulin sensitivity is crucial for postworkout nutrient partitioning)