Natural Indian bodybuilding

[SubhumanCurrycel]

Sustenance of boiled lentils (7-9 grams protein per 100g) and white rice mixed with famine genetics will get you.

 

[pprimus43]

Saar

 

[raabla]

This is why everyone thinks natty bodybuilding is a joke

 

[ChimpBall]

Average indian has Jason Blaha-tier genetics

 

[nathan]

what's the actual reason for indians having shitty muscle building genetics?

 

[Reckless Turtle]

Lentils are catching strays here.

 

[sub6manletnozygos]

Lentils are catching strays here.

He just needs to eat more cuscus, lentils and black beans, right?
To vegetarians' credit I did once meet a vegetarian who ate 500g-1kg of cuscus, lentils and black beans a day and was shredded. However, he also ate 10-20 eggs a day and 1 litre of milk a day.
What is an example of a vegan body builder who doesn't use PEDs?

 

[gookcelriceR]

Those hips

 

[Reckless Turtle]

what's the actual reason for indians having shitty muscle building genetics?

Agriculture there is too dependent on monsoon precipitation. If the yearly monsoon doesn't come through then mass starvation occurs. Fat cells store energy in preparation of starvation.

 

[Reckless Turtle]

He just needs to eat more cuscus, lentils and black beans, right?

He will just end up even fatter. If he wants to be less fat then he should do the opposite.

What is an example of a vegan body builder who doesn't use PEDs?

What is an example of a body builder who doesn't use PEDs?

 

[sub6manletnozygos]

He will just end up even fatter. If he wants to be less fat then he should do the opposite.


What is an example of a body builder who doesn't use PEDs?

there a 100+ year history of established natural bodybuilders. don't avoid the question.

45 Vintage Bodybuilding Photos From the Early 1900s

Meet the legendary strongmen from the turn of the century.

www.menshealth.com

a possible rebuttal could be that modern humans cant achieve those gains or looks as easily due to endocrine disruptors in the modern world.

 

[Reckless Turtle]

there a 100+ year history of established natural bodybuilders. don't avoid the question.

45 Vintage Bodybuilding Photos From the Early 1900s

Meet the legendary strongmen from the turn of the century.

www.menshealth.com

a possible rebuttal could be that modern humans cant achieve those gains or looks as easily due to endocrine disruptors in the modern world.

You know what all 45 of them were eating?

 

[franziz]

what's the actual reason for indians having shitty muscle building genetics?

They don’t have shitty muscle genetics. They just eat like shit

 

[sub6manletnozygos]

You know what all 45 of them were eating?

I think they were eating mainly organic, grass fed, meat, milk, eggs, not black beans, cuscus and lentils.

 

[Dominicoon]

@Jason Voorhees u should join

 

[gookcelriceR]

Agriculture there is too dependent on monsoon

 

[Reckless Turtle]

I think they were eating mainly organic, grass fed, meat, milk, eggs, not black beans, cuscus and lentils.

Source?

 

[Reckless Turtle]

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[sub6manletnozygos]

Source?

What's your source that they were not eating animal products, and were subsisting on leafy greens, black beans and lentils?
Eugen Sandow's diet:

What did Eugen Sandow Eat? - Physical Culture Study

How many times do you eat a day? Do you eat carbs after 3pm? Post-workout protein shake? Such are the questions faced by the modern day strength enthusiast. Are we overthinking the way we eat? In a world faced with a growing obesity epidemic and continuous production of low quality foods the...

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Wolf & Iron - Small Batch Beard Care and Coffee for Honorable Men

Before diet fads and exercise trends, Eugen Sandow showed what a proper diet for a bodybuilder should look like. He also had some thoughts on the American diet we should pay attention to.

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George Hackenschmidt:

Eating Advice from the Russian Lion - Physical Culture Study

While the name George Hackenschmidt is often associated with wrestling more so than physical culture, there is no doubting the strength and physical prowess of the 'Russian Lion'. An adept weightlifter and renowned grappler, Hackenschmidt's career in the early twentieth century saw him become of...

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Raw Food Diet - George Hackenschmidt

I’ve just read “The Way to Live in Health and Physical Fitness” by George Hackenschmidt. I bought it because I was particularly interested in his diet, he had an incredible physique for his era and was very lean for 99kg at 5’9". However, the chapter on nutrition in the book is just a small...

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Also, how funny it is that Eugen was German but had a Slavic name, and George was Russian but had a German name.

 

[Jason Voorhees]

@Jason Voorhees u should join

Nice bait thread by OP

 

[Reckless Turtle]

What's your source that they were not eating animal products, and were subsisting on leafy greens, black beans and lentils?

What did Eugen Sandow Eat? - Physical Culture Study

How many times do you eat a day? Do you eat carbs after 3pm? Post-workout protein shake? Such are the questions faced by the modern day strength enthusiast. Are we overthinking the way we eat? In a world faced with a growing obesity epidemic and continuous production of low quality foods the...

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How are you expecting me to have a source of the diets of bodybuilders from roughly a century ago from the article that you provided?

What did Eugen Sandow Eat? - Physical Culture Study

How many times do you eat a day? Do you eat carbs after 3pm? Post-workout protein shake? Such are the questions faced by the modern day strength enthusiast. Are we overthinking the way we eat? In a world faced with a growing obesity epidemic and continuous production of low quality foods the...

physicalculturestudy.com

Wolf & Iron - Small Batch Beard Care and Coffee for Honorable Men

Before diet fads and exercise trends, Eugen Sandow showed what a proper diet for a bodybuilder should look like. He also had some thoughts on the American diet we should pay attention to.

wolfandiron.com

Eating Advice from the Russian Lion - Physical Culture Study

While the name George Hackenschmidt is often associated with wrestling more so than physical culture, there is no doubting the strength and physical prowess of the 'Russian Lion'. An adept weightlifter and renowned grappler, Hackenschmidt's career in the early twentieth century saw him become of...

physicalculturestudy.com

Okay so moderation and a simple diet. But what about the golden ingredient to modern day weight training, protein. Sandow did not consume large amounts of protein. Today’s diets advocating 250 to 300 grams of protein today would have been alien to the great man.

Sandow was a proponent of getting his protein requirements from raw eggs and meat but again within the context of moderation and he was not alone in this. George Hackenschmidt largely subsided on a diet of nuts, fruit and vegetables. He drank milk, ate eggs but rarely indulged in eating large quantities of meant. Neither man recommended consuming gratuitous amounts of protein, something one can find with regularity on the forums of many bodybuilding sites.

Secondly men like Sandow and Hackenschmidt were proponents of listening to your body. If you feel better when you ate a vegetarian diet you did that, similarly if you felt better eating meat. Neither advocated extreme diets that forced you to eat foods you were uncomfortable with.

Finally when we look at Sandow’s diet it’s shocking how simple it was. Granted food quality was perhaps better during Sandow’s time but the incessant need for the modern weight trainer to have protein shakes, pre-workouts, multivitamins, Creatine and so on and so forth seems insane when we look at Sandow’s regime. Has our food gotten so bad that we ‘have to’ use these supplements? Or has the diet industry convinced use that we need them?

Surveying the above we can say that Hackenschmidt advocated for:

• A diet primarily composed of nuts, vegetables and fruits in their raw form.
• Some meat, if necessary, depending on one’s constitution.
• The avoidance of seasonings or processed sugar
• Abstinence from teas, spirits and alcohols.
• Finally and most importantly, Hackenschmidt was a proponent of listening to one’s body and adjusting the diet justly. A timeless lesson we often need to remember!

 

[sub6manletnozygos]

How are you expecting me to have a source of the diets of bodybuilders from roughly a century ago from the article that you provided?

As a above, so below. Don't forget that YOU were the one initially asking me for sources.

Okay so moderation and a simple diet. But what about the golden ingredient to modern day weight training, protein. Sandow did not consume large amounts of protein. Today’s diets advocating 250 to 300 grams of protein today would have been alien to the great man.

Sandow was a proponent of getting his protein requirements from raw eggs and meat but again within the context of moderation and he was not alone in this. George Hackenschmidt largely subsided on a diet of nuts, fruit and vegetables. He drank milk, ate eggs but rarely indulged in eating large quantities of meant. Neither man recommended consuming gratuitous amounts of protein, something one can find with regularity on the forums of many bodybuilding sites.

Secondly men like Sandow and Hackenschmidt were proponents of listening to your body. If you feel better when you ate a vegetarian diet you did that, similarly if you felt better eating meat. Neither advocated extreme diets that forced you to eat foods you were uncomfortable with.

Finally when we look at Sandow’s diet it’s shocking how simple it was. Granted food quality was perhaps better during Sandow’s time but the incessant need for the modern weight trainer to have protein shakes, pre-workouts, multivitamins, Creatine and so on and so forth seems insane when we look at Sandow’s regime. Has our food gotten so bad that we ‘have to’ use these supplements? Or has the diet industry convinced use that we need them?

Surveying the above we can say that Hackenschmidt advocated for:

• A diet primarily composed of nuts, vegetables and fruits in their raw form.
• Some meat, if necessary, depending on one’s constitution.
• The avoidance of seasonings or processed sugar
• Abstinence from teas, spirits and alcohols.
• Finally and most importantly, Hackenschmidt was a proponent of listening to one’s body and adjusting the diet justly. A timeless lesson we often need to remember!

Nuance is great! It looks like back then, balance was key, as distinct from vegan abolutism.

It begs the question if Sandow and Hackenschmidt were alive today and aware of the deficient nutritional value of modern fruit and veges compared to the 1900s, contamination of soil, and harmful piscicides and herbicides used in non organic food, whether they would still consume such quantities, as distinct from small farm, pasture raised meats or raw game subsisting on wild fauna, less subject to today's pesticides, herbicides and other chemicals.

 

[Saint Casanova]

Average indian has Jason Blaha-tier genetics

No they have far below that I’m afraid. At least blaha has some muscle despise his garbage conditioning

 

[Saint Casanova]

there a 100+ year history of established natural bodybuilders. don't avoid the question.

45 Vintage Bodybuilding Photos From the Early 1900s

Meet the legendary strongmen from the turn of the century.

www.menshealth.com

a possible rebuttal could be that modern humans cant achieve those gains or looks as easily due to endocrine disruptors in the modern world.

Steve reeves is the best a natty can look with perfect genetics.

 

[Reckless Turtle]

As a above, so below. Don't forget that YOU were the one initially asking me for sources.

In response to you making an unsupported claim.

Selectively highlighting the article does not make it support your claim. The article clearly contradicts your claim that:

I think they were eating mainly organic, grass fed, meat, milk, eggs, not black beans, cuscus and lentils.

Nuance is great. It looks like balance is key, even back then, as distinct from vegan abolutism!

You're reaching that conclusion after reading opinion pieces about the diets of two bodybuilders from over a century ago?

 

[gookcelriceR]

Username checks out

I'm not asian

 

[Reckless Turtle]

I'm not asian

 

[IOS]

WHO TF DID THIS?

BITCH I NEEDED GENUNINE MESSAGES AND ALL MY FRIENDS FROM UNI CAN SEE THIS WHEN THEY COME TO POST! NOW THEY WILL THINK IM JUST SOME AUTISTIC NIGGER WHO MADE THIS ALL UP TO LOOK COOL WHY TF MAN CAN U POST ONE MESSAGE ONLY? FUCK U INCELS

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find out

 

[SubhumanCurrycel]

what's the actual reason for indians having shitty muscle building genetics?

Famine, agricultural history and poor diet.

 

[SubhumanCurrycel]

Lentils are catching strays here.

They aint bad but using them as a primary source of protein is catabolism speedrun

 

[sub6manletnozygos]

Selectively highlighting the article does not make it support your claim. The article clearly contradicts your claim that:

It is interesting that you accuse me of 'selectively highlighting articles' when you selectively highlight quotes from just 2/4 of the article I posted, while ignoring states in the articles you did quote, that supported my stance. That is hypocritical.

What do you think of this quote from the first link?

Sandow was a proponent of getting his protein requirements from raw eggs and meat but again within the context of moderation and he was not alone in this.'

.
Why do you understate the significance of this?


You note the following in this article https://physicalculturestudy.com/2016/10/20/eating-advice-from-the-russian-lion/

Surveying the above we can say that Hackenschmidt advocated for:

• A diet primarily composed of nuts, vegetables and fruits in their raw form.
• Some meat, if necessary, depending on one’s constitution.
• The avoidance of seasonings or processed sugar
• Abstinence from teas, spirits and alcohols.
• Finally and most importantly, Hackenschmidt was a proponent of listening to one’s body and adjusting the diet justly. A timeless lesson we often need to remember!

But you ignore the paragraph just above it which says:

Finally, regarding teas, alcohol and spirits, Hackenschmidt went on to say that he avoided such toxic substances entirely. Instead he much preferred to drink milk, which is some sources are to be believed, is an understatement. According to some of his contemporaries, Hackenschmidt often drank the equivalent of 11 pints of milk a day! Something which undoubtedly accounted for his impressive physique.

It looks like your selection bias is showing.

You're reaching that conclusion after reading opinion pieces about the diets of two bodybuilders from over a century ago?

No, it was in support of the original contention that there is 100+ year history of established natural bodybuilders who do not engage in vegan abolutism and did not subsist on 'black beans, cuscus and lentils'.

I willing to concede that Eugen's and Hackenschmidt did not consume 'majority' meat but at they same time, there diet was moderate, retained consumption of meat and was far from a vegan absolutist diet.

Indeed, Eugen sure did love his RAW eggs, and Hackenschmidt enjoyed his 11 pints of milk a day, probably RAW (as pasteurization was not occurring back then en masse)!

Eugen and George consumed a balanced diet. They looked good. They had good life outcomes for their time, living to 50s and 90s, respectively.

 

[Reckless Turtle]

They aint bad but using them as a primary source of protein is catabolism speedrun

 

[Reckless Turtle]

What do you think of this quote from the first link?

I think that quote indicates that Sandow was a proponent of getting his protein requirements from raw eggs and meat within moderation.

Why do you understate the significance of this?

I understated its significance by directly quoting it to you?

Natural Indian bodybuilding

Sustenance of boiled lentils (7-9 grams protein per 100g) and white rice mixed with famine genetics will get you.

looksmax.org

You note the following in this article https://physicalculturestudy.com/2016/10/20/eating-advice-from-the-russian-lion/

Yes, I noted the author's summarization in the article that you linked, which clearly does not support your claim (in the case of Hackenschmidt) that:

I think they were eating mainly organic, grass fed, meat, milk, eggs, not black beans, cuscus and lentils.

But you ignore the paragraph just above it which says:

That section does not support your claim that:

I think they were eating mainly organic, grass fed, meat, milk, eggs

due to the article summarizing that:

Surveying the above we can say that Hackenschmidt advocated for:

• A diet primarily composed of nuts, vegetables and fruits in their raw form.

Regardless, he allegedly disputed that claim:

Hackenschmidt is alleged to have written that he consumed eleven pints of milk a day for training. However, this was later disputed. Hackenschmidt told Atholl Oakeley that the quantity of milk prescribed had been a misprint.[39] After retiring from the ring, Hackenschmidt reportedly became a vegetarian.[40]

It looks like your selection bias is showing.

Ironic.

No, it was in support of the original contention that there is 100+ year history of established natural bodybuilders who do not engage in vegan abolutism and did not subsist on 'black beans, cuscus and lentils'.

Thus far, you've attempted to support your point by linking opinion articles on the diets of a grand total of two bodybuilders.

Eugen and George consumed a balanced diet. They looked good. They had good life outcomes for their time, living to 50s and 90s, respectively.

Balanced in terms of meeting recommended nutritional criteria?

 

[n9wiff]

Consequence of the most disgusting diet ever

 

[DeborahAnnWollFARTS]

what's the actual reason for indians having shitty muscle building genetics?

We also have low IQ and small dick size, it's like we get the worst of every race with none of the positive sides lmaoooo

 

[SubhumanCurrycel]

Dont rely on getting a majority of your dietary protein from lentils you'd need to eat an absurd amount to hit even close to 1.6g/kg bodyweight of protein. Much of India consumes lentils as their predominant source of protein.

 

[Reckless Turtle]

Dont rely on getting a majority of your dietary protein from lentils you'd need to eat an absurd amount to hit even close to 1.6g/kg bodyweight of protein. Much of India consumes lentils as their predominant source of protein.

 

[Entschuldigung]

Guess I'm indian then

 

[Reckless Turtle]

We also have low IQ and small dick size, it's like we get the worst of every race with none of the positive sides lmaoooo

DeborahAnnWollFARTS​

Deborah Ann Woll Farts&Poop Fan​

 

[Willmogulater]

It depends on person not based on race

 

[sub6manletnozygos]

I think that quote indicates that Sandow was a proponent of getting his protein requirements from raw eggs and meat within moderation.

Good. Then I hope you can understand the following. The blog on Sandow does not talk about any majority consumption of vegetables or fruit, but mentioned him being a 'proponent of getting his protein requirements from raw eggs and meat'. This syntax means that raw eggs and meat were 'main' or 'major' element of his diet ('moderation' so to speak, was implicitly vegetable and fruit consumption, otherwise the sentence would be phrased oppositely).

This supports my contention that Eugen 'mainly' consumed eggs and meat. What constitutes 'mainly', reasonably means majority ie between >50%-100% of consumption. Thus, this supports my original contention. It is profoundly silly that I am arguing semantics regarding this source.

Your argument is basically; your source is 'insufficient lol' but you offer nothing in return and your criticism is reductionist.

I understated its significance by directly quoting it to you?

Natural Indian bodybuilding

Sustenance of boiled lentils (7-9 grams protein per 100g) and white rice mixed with famine genetics will get you.

looksmax.org

Yes, I noted the author's summarization in the article that you linked, which clearly does not support your claim (in the case of Hackenschmidt) that:



That section does not support your claim

'Clearly' is a stretch. His consumption of milk is 'clearly' demonstrated. While the precise 11 gallon figure from a discussion with Oakley (wrestler) was lost in translation, the conversation about Hackenschmidt's milk consumption was clearly construed (otherwise the translation error wouldn't have occurred).

In any case, we can then talk about Hackenschmidt's friend Oakley who was an established wrestler who did consume 11 gallon's of milk, on his misinterpretation of Hackenschmidt's advice, and who had a very established wrestling career. I wonder if he would have had such a career without his RAW milk.

Atholl Oakeley - Wikipedia

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Raw Food Diet - George Hackenschmidt

I’ve just read “The Way to Live in Health and Physical Fitness” by George Hackenschmidt. I bought it because I was particularly interested in his diet, he had an incredible physique for his era and was very lean for 99kg at 5’9". However, the chapter on nutrition in the book is just a small...

t-nation.com

'Raw foods and to eat one quarter meat and three quarters vegetables/fruit/nuts.'
I admit this article I referenced does not wholly evidence 'majority' consumption of meat as 1/4 is less than 50%, but it is also congruent to my original statement in the thread:

He just needs to eat more cuscus, lentils and black beans, right?
To vegetarians' credit I did once meet a vegetarian who ate 500g-1kg of cuscus, lentils and black beans a day and was shredded. However, he also ate 10-20 eggs a day and 1 litre of milk a day.
What is an example of a vegan body builder who doesn't use PEDs?

I think I can be more specific with my evidence and you can be more specific in your criticism (read the entire source before cherry picking after accusing me of cherry picking).

Thus far, you've attempted to support your point by linking opinion articles on the diets of a grand total of two bodybuilders.

Balanced in terms of meeting recommended nutritional criteria?

So we have Sandow's majority consumption of eggs and meat reasonably inferred by 'getting his protein requirements from raw eggs and meat within moderation'.

We have Oakley's bulking faze where he drank 11 pints of milk a day on lost in translation advice from Hackensmidt.

We have Hackensmidts 'one quarter meat and three quarters' vegetables/fruit/nuts, in addition to his milk consumption, albeit not 11 gallons.

We have Strongfort, another successful wrestler living to 89 and eating beef 3 times a day https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lionel_Strongfort

We can also look at ancient diets of Spartan's who would often eat one meal a day with stable meals including https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_soup

Spartan Food and Diet | Ancient Spartan Food | Ancient Spartan Diet

The diet in ancient Sparta was basic and consisted of mostly local food. The Spartans were essentially a farming state, and their food and diet reflected this.

www.legendsandchronicles.com

and who waged unequal battles successfully.

We have the mongolians who mass consumed meat and who successfully invaded eastern europe.
Here is some funny bro science I'm sure you will appreciate

In any case, where athletes and warriors have not eaten a meat based diet, I suspect this is not because they thought it was inferior to a plant based diet, but because they could not afford to mass consume meat, and because older civilizations could not substantially support large populations with a meat based diet, lest you create physically strong proletariat that threatens the centralized power, or overconsume limited valuable resources (animals).

The great irony are modern multi millionaires like Brian Johnson who willingly refuse to consume meat. I hope if you ever become a millionaire/billionaire that you do the same (one must be consistent).

Anyway, I can't be bothered extending broadening the discussion to why carnivore, keto, vegan diet is good/bad as I have to go now.

Also, as an aside I've started consuming raw cold pressed olive oil once a day because of Brian Johnson (I refuse to go vegan). I'm concerned that the linolic acid in olive oil will give me heart disease evidenced by the negative effects of linolic acid diets in the israeli paradox https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_paradox

In summary retarded turtle bro, I will eat a nice steak to honor my disagreement with you. I enjoy our verbal jousts on looksmax.org. I won't stop consuming my meat, and I refuse to eat lettuce or broccoli (more for you and all the vegans everywhere).

 

[Reckless Turtle]

('moderation' so to speak, was implicitly vegetable and fruit consumption, otherwise the sentence would be phrased oppositely).

No, the moderation was referring to raw eggs and meat consumption.

This supports my contention that Eugen 'mainly' consumed eggs and meat. What constitutes 'mainly', reasonably means majority ie between >50%-100% of consumption. Thus, this supports my original contention. It is profoundly silly that I am arguing semantics regarding this source.

No, because the sentence only refers to protein, not calories in general.

'Clearly' is a stretch. His consumption of milk is 'clearly' demonstrated. While the precise 11 gallon figure from a discussion with Oakley (wrestler) was lost in translation, the conversation about Hackenschmidt's milk consumption was clearly construed (otherwise the translation error wouldn't have occurred).

Him consuming milk does necessarily mean that:

they were eating mainly organic, grass fed, meat, milk, eggs

as further refuted here:

Surveying the above we can say that Hackenschmidt advocated for:

• A diet primarily composed of nuts, vegetables and fruits in their raw form.

In any case, we can then talk about Hackenschmidt's friend Oakley who was an established wrestler who did consume 11 gallon's of milk, on his misinterpretation of Hackenschmidt's advice, and who had a very established wrestling career. I wonder if he would have had such a career without his RAW milk.

If he was trying to put on mass then he needed calories in general.

'Raw foods and to eat one quarter meat and three quarters vegetables/fruit/nuts.'
I admit this article I referenced does not wholly evidence 'majority' consumption of meat as 1/4 is less than 50%, but it is also congruent to my original statement in the thread:

ok

So we have Sandow's majority consumption of eggs and meat reasonably inferred by 'getting his protein requirements from raw eggs and meat within moderation'.

No, because protein requirements =/= majority consumption, especially since animal products are dense in protein.

We have Strongfort, another successful wrestler living to 89 and eating beef 3 times a day https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lionel_Strongfort

Strongfort was a lacto-ovo vegetarian. He recommended a diet that consisted of fruit, vegetables, grains, milk and eggs.[2] In 1909, Strongfort issued a challenge in the Physical Culture magazine to Strongman Arthur Saxon. Saxon believed that meat was essential to gain strength. He was particularly fond of beef and ate it three times a day. As a vegetarian, Strongfort disputed this and challenged Saxon to a weight-lifting contest to prove the superiority of a meat-free diet. The challenged was not answered.[2]

We can also look at ancient diets of Spartan's who would often eat one meal a day with stable meals including https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_soup

Spartan Food and Diet | Ancient Spartan Food | Ancient Spartan Diet

The diet in ancient Sparta was basic and consisted of mostly local food. The Spartans were essentially a farming state, and their food and diet reflected this.

www.legendsandchronicles.com

and who waged unequal battles successfully.

We have the mongolians who mass consumed meat and who successfully invaded eastern europe.
Here is some funny bro science I'm sure you will appreciate

In any case, where athletes and warriors have not eaten a meat based diet, I suspect this is not because they thought it was inferior to a plant based diet, but because they could not afford to mass consume meat, and because older civilizations could not substantially support large populations with a meat based diet, lest you create physically strong proletariat that threatens the centralized power, or overconsume limited valuable resources (animals).

We also have www.Cronometer.com where you can look up nutritional information in less than 30 seconds:

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The great irony are modern multi millionaires like Brian Johnson who willingly refuse to consume meat. I hope if you ever become a millionaire/billionaire that you do the same (one must be consistent).

Why would me being wealthy make me decide to eat meat?

In summary turtle bro, I will eat a nice steak to honor you and I hope you enjoy your broccoli (unironically). I enjoy our verbal jousts on looksmax.org. I won't stop consuming my meat, and I refuse to eat my broccoli (more for you and all the vegans).

Why are you talking about broccoli when this whole post was about lentils?

 

[sub6manletnozygos]

No, the moderation was referring to raw eggs and meat consumption.

Cope. They are talking about both (which is why, talking about one in this context implies the other).

No, because the sentence only refers to protein, not calories in general.

Him consuming milk does necessarily mean that:


as further refuted here:

It satisfies one element.

If he was trying to put on mass then he needed calories in general.

He needs the RAW milk which likely contained colostrum and which has high nutritional content than pasteurized slop.

ok


No, because protein requirements =/= majority consumption, especially since animal products are dense in protein.

Maybe but if all those men could afford to eat 80% meat I suspect they would if they weren't poor/working class.

We also have www.Cronometer.com where you can look up nutritional information in less than 30 seconds:

Sounds like cope to me. One must also, listen to their body. When I tried a vegan diet. I felt tired and sick. When I consumed 36 raw eggs in one diet, I felt amazing.

Why would me being wealthy make me decide to eat meat?

Because its the healthiest and high t diet that turns lanklets into moggers.

Why are you talking about broccoli when this whole post was about lentils?

Because I like lentils and beans but I hate broccoli and greens.

 

[Reckless Turtle]

Cope. They are talking about both (which is why, talking about one in this context implies the other).

Okay so moderation and a simple diet. But what about the golden ingredient to modern day weight training, protein. Sandow did not consume large amounts of protein. Today’s diets advocating 250 to 300 grams of protein today would have been alien to the great man.

Sandow was a proponent of getting his protein requirements from raw eggs and meat but again within the context of moderation and he was not alone in this.

It satisfies one element.

Your comment was referring to sheer quantity (arguably calories and/or mass):

I think they were eating mainly organic, grass fed, meat, milk, eggs

He needs the RAW milk which likely contained colostrum and which has high nutritional content than pasteurized slop.

Source?

Maybe but if all those men could afford to eat 80% meat I suspect they would if they weren't poor/working class.

Even more speculation.

Sounds like cope to me. One must also, listen to their body. When I tried a vegan diet. I felt tired and sick. When I consumed 36 raw eggs in one diet, I felt amazing.

You haven't provided specifications for both scenarios, which means that anyone reading this has no idea what was and wasn't controlled for.

Because its the healthiest and high t diet that turns lanklets into moggers.

Source?

Because I like lentils and beans but I hate broccoli and greens.

More anecdotes.

 

[aDifferentPerspect]

Holy shit... niggas look twice as big as this pajeet without ever touching a weight, indians are truly cursed

 

[sub6manletnozygos]

Your comment was referring to sheer quantity (arguably calories and/or mass):

Cope.

Sandow was a proponent of getting his protein requirements from raw eggs and meat but again within the context of moderation and he was not alone in this.

Moderation is relative to the other; the other in this context is plant based food. What ratio does this imply? The syntax implies that meat and egg consumption is the majority. Are you ESL?

Source?

I can taste the difference between raw milk and pasteurized milk. One taste's like sugar water, the other is sour. I've tried pasteurized milk brand internationally; they all taste awful. Therefore, I think should be able to drink raw milk if I so desire.
In any case there are limited claims on the bioavailability of difference nutrients in raw milk vs pasteurized. https://www.rawmilkinstitute.org/about-raw-milk/#nutrition

However, you expect that the pasteurization industry, a billion dollar industry, that will grow parabolically, given much of the world has not pasteurized its milk, would threaten its potential profitability by funding unbiased research?

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I guess its also just a small side effect that small to medium farms that provided raw milk to small consumers are put out of business by mass milk producers that sell their milk to pasteurization plants or own the plants themselves. Centralizing the food supply is very progressive; nothing bad has ever happened from that!
In fact, one of the main reason pathogens develop in milk is because of mass production from mass producers, which could be ameliorated if farms were limited to x amount of production, states incentivized milk production and guarded against centralization or PE/VC ownership of farms. This won't happen though as that will create a decentralized food supply.
In any case, the argument is that there should be freedom to consume a product and bear the risk of their own mistakes. I accept that I might get sick from pathogens, however, that hasn't happened; a coincidence I'm sure.
In summary, my anecdotal and economic arguments are sufficient to persuade me of raw milk consumption, and I believe that choice.

Even more speculation.

No its not. It's common historic reality that rulers considered meat consumption a privilege reserved for the elite, not the proletariat. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_cuisine
inb4 you cherry pick that British Lords consumed grain based food, not meat because they 'preferred it'.

You haven't provided specifications for both scenarios, which means that anyone reading this has no idea what was and wasn't controlled for.

The argument is one must listen to their body and should have autonomy over their diet. My body my choice or do you not believe in bodily autonomy?

Source?

Oakley the aforementioned wrestler and Mark rippetoe of starting strength; the original the gallon of milk a day moggers.

More anecdotes.

Yeah. Do you not listen to your own body?
If a large pharmaceutical company said they could prove a health directive, would you blindly take it because its peer reviewed? What about conflicts of interests like the revolving door between the FDA and pharmaceutical companies.
Why do you understate listening to one's body?

Also, you ignored my previous question. Why is that? I asked the following

As side I've started consuming raw cold pressed olive oil once a day because of Brian Johnson (I refuse to go vegan). I'm concerned that the linolic acid in olive oil will give me heart disease evidenced by the negative effects of linolic acid diets in the israeli paradox https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_paradox

 

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That’s 5 whole cups my brother don’t think most people could come close to that amount if they tried

 

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Cope.

Cop out.

Moderation is relative to the other; the other in this context is plant based food. What ratio does this imply? The syntax implies that meat and egg consumption is the majority.

The sentence implies that he was eating meat and eggs in moderate amounts relative to other things, which certainly does not imply that those were the majority items.

Are you ESL?

No, and ironic.

I can taste the difference between raw milk and pasteurized milk. One taste's like sugar water, the other is sour. I've tried pasteurized milk brand internationally; they all taste awful. Therefore, I think should be able to drink raw milk if I so desire.
In any case there are limited claims on the bioavailability of difference nutrients in raw milk vs pasteurized. https://www.rawmilkinstitute.org/about-raw-milk/#nutrition

However, you expect that the pasteurization industry, a billion dollar industry, that will grow parabolically, given much of the world has not pasteurized its milk, would threaten its potential profitability by funding unbiased research?

Global Non-thermal Pasteurization Market Size To Worth USD 14.89 Billion By 2033 | CAGR of 19.97%

The Global Non-thermal Pasteurization Market Size was Valued at USD 2.41 Billion in 2023 and the Worldwide Non-thermal Pasteurization Market Size is...

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I guess its also just a small side effect that small to medium farms that provided raw milk to small consumers are put out of business by mass milk producers that sell their milk to pasteurization plants or own the plants themselves. Centralizing the food supply is very progressive; nothing bad has ever happened from that!
In fact, one of the main reason pathogens develop in milk is because of mass production from mass producers, which could be ameliorated if farms were limited to x amount of production, states incentivized milk production and guarded against centralization or PE/VC ownership of farms. This won't happen though as that will create a decentralized food supply.
In any case, the argument is that there should be freedom to consume a product and bear the risk of their own mistakes. I accept that I might get sick from pathogens, however, that hasn't happened; a coincidence I'm sure.
In summary, my anecdotal and economic arguments are sufficient to persuade me of raw milk consumption, and I believe that choice.

None of this indicates the necessity of raw milk (at least past infancy).

No its not. It's common historic reality that rulers considered meat consumption a privilege reserved for the elite, not the proletariat. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_cuisine
inb4 you cherry pick that British Lords consumed grain based food, not meat because they 'preferred it'.

None of these bodybuilders lived during the medieval era. You're assuming that they couldn't afford to eat more meat. And you're also assuming that even if they could then they would have.

The argument is one must listen to their body and should have autonomy over their diet. My body my choice or do you not believe in bodily autonomy?

Your anecdote has negligible merit due to the aforementioned reason.

Oakley the aforementioned wrestler and Mark rippetoe of starting strength; the original the gallon of milk a day moggers.

I was asking for a source with some scientific merit.

Yeah. Do you not listen to your own body?

Probably.

If a large pharmaceutical company said they could prove a health directive, would you blindly take it because its peer reviewed? What about conflicts of interests like the revolving door between the FDA and pharmaceutical companies.

That depends on how long the directive has been studied for, the scale of the research, and the quality of the studies. Conflicts of interests are mitigated by multiple researchers with various biases researching the topic and publishing a variety of findings.

Also, you ignored my previous question. Why is that? I asked the following

Probably because you edited your commented after I started responding. Also, that's a comment, not a question.

A moderate amount of olive oil consumption on a WFPB diet is unlikely to cause heart disease. That Israeli paradox doesn't seem to control for other factors very well.