Need help picking LL surgeon

[themanwhoslays]

Basically, the LL forum is spammed with fake diaries from doctors and I can't distinguish fake from real.

I was thinking of doing Precise 2.2 or Max(for weight bearing capabilities). Femurs 7/8 cm
Also, would want a doctor in europe if posible and not overly expensive(not over 80k)

For anyone doubting me, as soon as I make my choice i will call for an appointment. I already did most preparations for "dissapearing" for 3/4 months next year.

I have planned the surgery for early july.

Also, I read about these doctors which I would avoid because they literally crippled and killed patients:

Livelifetaller
Wannabetaller
Yuksel Yurttas(bro literally makes top 10 lists on best ll surgeon on his own website and writes about himself like a god)
Limblengthening-center
Lengthening Turkey
AFA
Dr. Guichet( killed a ll forum user and crippled like 4 people for life)
Betz institute( fake stories and killed at least a person)


GNAIL AND BETZBONE SUCK, only precise 2,2/ max is the method i will use

ALSO, FUCK STRYDE, IT WAS SO GOOD BUT NOW I HAVE TO STAY IN BED THE WHOLE SURGERY AND LOSE MY CALF MUSCLES CUZ THEY FUCKING RECALLED IT

 

[themanwhoslays]

How come is the betzbone shit
Dont respond with that one yt vid please

it breaks usually and fucks up your leg muscles because you have to click(which is very painful) and if u overlenghten or it doesnt heal it cannot be reversed like precise

 

[themanwhoslays]

also, update, giotikas is off the table, he fakes diaries

 

[themanwhoslays]

FIRST case :

Patient DMs me and says he had the same issue. Dr Giotikas claimed to fix valgus and apex anterior deformity, but it’s clear from visual and x ray, he hasn’t:

https://ibb.co/CKj7FPv


SECOND case (ME) :
I went to Dr Giotikas to fix my own valgus/procurvatum deformity, Dr Giotikas claimed he did, but Dr Assayag showed me on x-ray that absolutely nothing was corrected:

Dr Giotikas claims this is perfectly normal and straight and no deformity present and trash talked American surgeons when I showed him I still had an issue! LOL:

https://ibb.co/2jJK89X


THIRD case :

Another user goes to Giotikas to fix procurvatum deformity, says its clear from standing and from x-ray that the deformity wasn’t corrected.

https://ibb.co/L5yHq0h

https://ibb.co/8K77F3r

http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=64280.msg164727#msg164727

FOURTH case :


User gets fibula non union due to Giotikas not properly fixating ankle bone, risk of osteoarthritis, and needs multiple correction surgeries:

https://ibb.co/1sn8hVw

https://ibb.co/31PkPvB

http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=9073.msg221515#msg221515


FIFTH case :

Giotikas patient has non union on femur due to bone cut and where the nail was inserted. 15:46

https://ibb.co/LhFHJZ2

https://ibb.co/HzJQ9w9





SIXTH case :

Giotikas patient dies from LL:

http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=83193.0

32:45


SEVENTH case:

Protruding screw from G-Nail hurts patient in hip (I had the same problem, with a protruding screw in my tibia from Giotikas. Extremely painful) (search up Cyborg4life and Paley interview) 01:31:10:

https://ibb.co/FK1PsnW


It’s not just me, Cyborg4life doesn’t recommend Giotikas! He hid all the interviews with him! I can only warn you by giving my and others examples! Your choice is your own, whether you want to risk your legs to save money!

 

[SubhumanGrifter]

Dr. Donghoon Lee in south korea apparently hes one of the best. Seen his results pretty good imo and way better then any turkish or eu surgeon. Dont know what his price tho.

 

[themanwhoslays]

Dr. Donghoon Lee in south korea apparently hes one of the best. Seen his results pretty good imo and way better then any turkish or eu surgeon. Dont know what his price tho.

it's decently priced, already booked an online consultation and did my xrays today, might not have any spots open for when I would like to do the surgery(July) but I believe he might be my final choice

 

[themanwhoslays]

some people say he is usually booked for years

 

[AustrianMogger]

Basically, the LL forum is spammed with fake diaries from doctors and I can't distinguish fake from real.

I was thinking of doing Precise 2.2 or Max(for weight bearing capabilities). Femurs 7/8 cm
Also, would want a doctor in europe if posible and not overly expensive(not over 80k)

For anyone doubting me, as soon as I make my choice i will call for an appointment. I already did most preparations for "dissapearing" for 3/4 months next year.

I have planned the surgery for early july.

Also, I read about these doctors which I would avoid because they literally crippled and killed patients:

Livelifetaller
Wannabetaller
Yuksel Yurttas(bro literally makes top 10 lists on best ll surgeon on his own website and writes about himself like a god)
Limblengthening-center
Lengthening Turkey
AFA
Dr. Guichet( killed a ll forum user and crippled like 4 people for life)
Betz institute( fake stories and killed at least a person)


GNAIL AND BETZBONE SUCK, only precise 2,2/ max is the method i will use

ALSO, FUCK STRYDE, IT WAS SO GOOD BUT NOW I HAVE TO STAY IN BED THE WHOLE SURGERY AND LOSE MY CALF MUSCLES CUZ THEY FUCKING RECALLED IT

I dont think betz is too bad. For your budget go to dr. giotikas or parley eu

 

[AustrianMogger]

yeah man. I'm sub 170cm I know the struggle. I'll have to push the extremes of LL to even be a normal height.

Are you from netherlands? If you arent below 160 one LL should do

 

[Axhar1]

Are you from netherlands? If you arent below 160 one LL should do

might as well be avg height rather than barely avg/short after surgery

 

[themanwhoslays]

update 1:

went with dr giotikas, althought it's riskier then with others, he's the only one in Europe who might be borderline acceptable

8cm femur to get from 5'8(173) to 5'11(181)

hes making me do some weird xrays and some blood work

still like 5 months till operation, he told me to maintain my current weight (69 kg)

flexibility exercises for now, no intensive leg activity(daily cardio is ok, just not excessive)

 

[tren_31]

it breaks usually and fucks up your leg muscles because you have to click(which is very painful) and if u overlenghten or it doesnt heal it cannot be reversed like precise

I know someone who got 11cm from Betz without any problems. As I know the clinic only botched 2 people in 15+ years. He is better than the Greek guy tbh

 

[themanwhoslays]

I know someone who got 11cm from Betz without any problems. As I know the clinic only botched 2 people in 15+ years. He is better than the Greek guy tbh

yeah but now the younger guy does all the procedures and also heard some death being hidden from him while giotikas is transparent

 

[Joaquin]

172cm

Retard

 

[Azim]

i know one guy on this forum did wannabetaller (if i remember correctly) and it went well, i think from 5'8.5 to 6'1 with both femur and tibia

anything other than paley seems risky as shit though considering ur literal life is in their hands

 

[themanwhoslays]

Retard

why

 

[Joaquin]

why

From where are you

 

[themanwhoslays]

From where are you

Europe, why?

 

[Joaquin]

Europe, why?

But which country, because that height is not that bad and face is law my nigga

 

[themanwhoslays]

But which country, because that height is not that bad and face is law my nigga

rn staying in Moldova

 

[themanwhoslays]

yeah, like i said, im not doing LL for dating, just for personal preference

 

[Joaquin]

yeah, like i said, im not doing LL for dating, just for personal preference

Fair, but remember with all that money you could Ascend facially so fucking much

 

[themanwhoslays]

Fair, but remember with all that money you could Ascend facially so fucking much

true, but I don't require any major surgeries regarding the face area as I got decent genetics. The height is my biggest failo

 

[tren_31]

yeah but now the younger guy does all the procedures and also heard some death being hidden from him while giotikas is transparent

The guy I told you about got it at the new guy(Becker) but I am not sure if Becker is the one that does the surgery. Betz had 2 very well known botches, he is even manlet himself. Btw death sounds extreme, I could rather think you get crippled or atleast can’t run properly, losing flexibility. How can you die at LL? It must be 2 rare and only because of bloodloss

 

[themanwhoslays]

The guy I told you about got it at the new guy(Becker) but I am not sure if Becker is the one that does the surgery. Betz had 2 very well known botches, he is even manlet himself. Btw death sounds extreme, I could rather think you get crippled or atleast can’t run properly, losing flexibility. How can you die at LL? It must be 2 rare and only because of bloodloss

bloodclots brother, tough subject to talk about but with the right medication can be prevented

 

[SuspiciousSunshine]

did you do the LL man? who did you go to? went well? need updates man you cant be posting all that stuff then leave us hanging.

 

[Mainlander]

did you do the LL man? who did you go to? went well? need updates man you cant be posting all that stuff then leave us hanging.

themanwhoslays​

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[SuspiciousSunshine]

they done killed the poor guy wtf

 

[Cyframe]

Don't get LL, it hurts. its expensive. its time consuming. its highrisk.

Basically, the LL forum is spammed with fake diaries from doctors and I can't distinguish fake from real.

I was thinking of doing Precise 2.2 or Max(for weight bearing capabilities). Femurs 7/8 cm
Also, would want a doctor in europe if posible and not overly expensive(not over 80k)

For anyone doubting me, as soon as I make my choice i will call for an appointment. I already did most preparations for "dissapearing" for 3/4 months next year.

I have planned the surgery for early july.

Also, I read about these doctors which I would avoid because they literally crippled and killed patients:

Livelifetaller
Wannabetaller
Yuksel Yurttas(bro literally makes top 10 lists on best ll surgeon on his own website and writes about himself like a god)
Limblengthening-center
Lengthening Turkey
AFA
Dr. Guichet( killed a ll forum user and crippled like 4 people for life)
Betz institute( fake stories and killed at least a person)


GNAIL AND BETZBONE SUCK, only precise 2,2/ max is the method i will use

ALSO, FUCK STRYDE, IT WAS SO GOOD BUT NOW I HAVE TO STAY IN BED THE WHOLE SURGERY AND LOSE MY CALF MUSCLES CUZ THEY FUCKING RECALLED IT

 

[themanwhoslays]

did you do the LL man? who did you go to? went well? need updates man you cant be posting all that stuff then leave us hanging.

welp, just travelled a bit and didn't have time to update

had another consulation, my surgery date is set, I'm going for G-nail instead of Precise(thus giving away the ability to retract in case bone doesn't grow) for 3 big reasons:

1) bone not growing is extremely rare in femur cases

2) im highly flexibile and do take pain quite well ( of course will take painkillers)

3) I want to walk, and regain mobility as soon as possible. If i were to take the precise route, taking in account I would not be able to walk normaly and would have to learn how to use walking canes( also in a weird way can't explain, its even harder) and perfect pt, i would return to "normal walking" in about 6 months, but with G-nail it's gonna be 4-5 months(including lenghtening)

I also started my mobility routine( basically some stuff they sent and told me to follow). I also quit smoking 4 months ago to prepare for this surgery( this reduces bloodclots significally)

Anyway, still kinda scared, I went against precise because I read a diary ( which was verified) of a very prepared person like myself who choose precise with cant remember which doctor but was a mainstream one and died because of clots as he had a hard time moving.

Hopefully I can handle G-nail well and I can come back to this forum to tell u my experience.