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I’ve posted before. I’m still getting shit together for my MMA operation. Had to shave for work and got a haircut. Gimme some ratings, some shitposting, and some advice. Joke all you want but I appreciate some real ratings and advice mixed in. Thanks!

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What's MMA surgery?

Currently rating is irrelevant because it's over.

Bloated, recessed-to-shit, boneless cuck. You also have a lot of blemishes, that red shit all over your midface. Do you have hypertension? Your face just screams "low T subhuman".

Also wdym by "haircut"? Dude it's a 0/10 fringe attempt tbh. Get a proper haircut
 
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LeFort 3
 
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sorry bro, it's over
 
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Well, first step is of course to get down to 12% bf, and then come back. Then you can consider style changes, or hardmaxes like surgeries
 
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Eyebrowmogs me brutally
 
How far along are you in the MMA planning? Overall you aren’t a lost cause. Decent symmetry and if you’re tall you have potential to be above average after surgery. Your mandible isn’t too small, but your maxilla is very recessed. You should seriously try to get as much advancement as possible. What is your tentative plan w your surgeon as of now?
 
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U need a lot of work done bro
U better have a lot of money
 
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Respect for going under the knife, but your best bet is to blast steroids and run Thailand Tinder game.
 
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low tier normie at best and you look like a creep in your pics.
 
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U need a lot of work done bro
U better have a lot of money
I think the reason why the Faceapp pic looks so different but still more realistic than mine is because you made him younger. The eyes are not very realistic though and deaging is not that simple of a process, but I don't think it matters. Most guys would do well in real life by going to bars to pickup women. The only guys who will fail badly at that are those who are shorter than average or very ugly like that guy on youtube who was black pilled and rambled for a long time about how his life sucks because he's ugly.
 
Sorry buddy boyo. It never even began for you
 
You need to see taban ASAP and loose fucking weight Jesus. You literally look like you eat Cheetos and donuts all day. What’s your diet like and have u ever done any exercise? Get your shit together you look low t as fuck
 
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M A X I L L A J F L :lul:
 
Recessed maxilla its over
 
In another rating post, I said your maxilla was not recessed. I stand corrected from that side profile pic because your maxilla looks so recessed that it's almost folding in on itself...
 
Jesus christ that side profile. Flatter than a noodles ass.
 
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Leanmaxx, skinmaxx, hairmaxx and save money for lefort 1. Now gtfo, I dont wana see your face again.
 
Well, first step is of course to get down to 12% bf, and then come back. Then you can consider style changes, or hardmaxes like surgeries
I’ve got pics from when I was 12 percent body fat. I don’t know where all this comes from cuz I’m not fat or even chubby. I haven’t been able to go to the gym where I normally can get a body fat check on their machine there.

pic below I don’t think I look diff at lower body fat
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I’ve got pics from when I was 12 percent body fat. I don’t know where all this comes from cuz I’m not fat or even chubby. I haven’t been able to go to the gym where I normally can get a body fat check on their machine there.

pic below I don’t think I look diff at lower body fat
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You look so much better on this pic. I doubt it's 12% though, but definitely lower. I can see the malar fat pad line from eye to nose, so no bueno. If you are about 20, it could be baby fat leftovers - I have same thing. Also, don't clean shave. Go with a light stubble. It will fit you much better
 
Apparently it’s over. I don’t want to spend large sums of money and still just be ‘average or slightly above’. I’m trying to get an idea of what I could gain from doing surgery and so far it sounds like it’s not worth it, I thought it would be but guess I’m wrong. Also I’m 6 foot and my tentative is MMA that’s it. He said he wants to advance the maxilla and the lower jaw and he’s charging 22000 without hospital costs.
How far along are you in the MMA planning? Overall you aren’t a lost cause. Decent symmetry and if you’re tall you have potential to be above average after surgery. Your mandible isn’t too small, but your maxilla is very recessed. You should seriously try to get as much advancement as possible. What is your tentative plan w your surgeon as of now?
 
You look so much better on this pic. I doubt it's 12% though, but definitely lower. I can see the malar fat pad line from eye to nose, so no bueno. If you are about 20, it could be baby fat leftovers - I have same thing. Also, don't clean shave. Go with a light stubble. It will fit you much better
Agree I don’t know how my body doesn’t look nearly this fat compared to my face. Unless there’s some kind of food I’m eating that’s bloating my face specifically. I honestly am willing to do whatever I have to to advance to 8 +level. Theres days where I doubt that’s possible no matter what but that’s what I’m trying to figure out.
 
Apparently it’s over. I don’t want to spend large sums of money and still just be ‘average or slightly above’. I’m trying to get an idea of what I could gain from doing surgery and so far it sounds like it’s not worth it, I thought it would be but guess I’m wrong. Also I’m 6 foot and my tentative is MMA that’s it. He said he wants to advance the maxilla and the lower jaw and he’s charging 22000 without hospital costs.
Don’t listen to the people here talking mad shit. It ain’t over. MMA is the biggest looksmax you could possibly do. Your maxilla is your biggest flaw and that can be fixed. Your jawline will also improve. MMA would ascend you hard. And then afterwards, if you want to do any small tweaks for something like eye area, those procedures are a breeze in comparison. Honestly even just fillers can take you a long way. You are already 6 ft tall, white, full head of hair, good symmetry and good eyebrows.

btw take it from me, double jaw surgery isn’t that bad and the results are easily worth it
 
Over for that maxilla
It’s like your face didn’t bother to grow whatsoever.
If you are tall tho need to gymcel and then blast roids once you hit intermediate, your frame looks ok
 
Bloated lose weight and then we can help you. that alone will probably raise your psl 0.5-1
Here’s a pic of when I was around 7 body fat. I have the app screenshot to prove that. I don’t think it’s that big a difference. Feel like I need more cheek bone or something but you tell me. Also what is my psl rn iyo
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Here’s a pic of when I was around 7 body fat. I have the app screenshot to prove that. I don’t think it’s that big a difference. Feel like I need more cheek bone or something but you tell me. Also what is my psl rn iyo
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I wont shit on you like others here do..

But the problem is your whole maxilla seems to be very recessed

So even when doing a high lefort 1 that leaves the whole upper part of the maxilla untouched( which will even look more recessed.)

Other problem is eye area. Your eyes seems small and roundish with a nct( thats whats giving typical cuck look). You cant chanhge your PFL and only do small changes to the shape.

BUT i think at your age( how old are you exactly?) women all realize that there smv is way lower than in their younger years and would go for their looksmatch.
 
I wont shit on you like others here do..

But the problem is your whole maxilla seems to be very recessed

So even when doing a high lefort 1 that leaves the whole upper part of the maxilla untouched( which will even look more recessed.)

Other problem is eye area. Your eyes seems small and roundish with a nct( thats whats giving typical cuck look). You cant chanhge your PFL and only do small changes to the shape.

BUT i think at your age( how old are you exactly?) women all realize that there smv is way lower than in their younger years and would go for their looksmatch.
Alright I appreciate that just cuz I want to get as much useful knowledge as I can. So is there any point to the mma operation then? He called it a maxilla and mandible advancement but neither of us used the word Lefort in anyway. Wouldn’t moving the entire maxilla fix a lot of other midfsce issues or does it have to be lefort 2-3? Also as for my eyes I tend to have really lame expressions in my pics from being self conscious I don’t know if that adds to the negative affect or if they’re just shitty. I’m confused on this one because I’ve had compliments from girls about my eyes, and these were definitely genuine. And I’m 27 but people say I look younger. I’m trying to improve for a bunch of reasons and don’t really like the idea of settling, also no joke and no brag I swear but I’ve had like three or four girls much younger than me try and hit me up I honestly didn’t pursue because I was self conscious but that’s another story. After some of what I’ve been told from my pics on here and other places I’m inclined to think they may have been trolling me.
 
Thanks! I’m having doubts on the mma but I also feel like that’s the best option rn. Just need to get the insurance together for it which should be easy because I’m being told by one or two oral surgeons that it’s a medical necessity, the one is very cosmetic minded so I feel good about him not fucking me up.
Don’t listen to the people here talking mad shit. It ain’t over. MMA is the biggest looksmax you could possibly do. Your maxilla is your biggest flaw and that can be fixed. Your jawline will also improve. MMA would ascend you hard. And then afterwards, if you want to do any small tweaks for something like eye area, those procedures are a breeze in comparison. Honestly even just fillers can take you a long way. You are already 6 ft tall, white, full head of hair, good symmetry and good eyebrows.

btw take it from me, double jaw surgery isn’t that bad and the results are easily worth it
 
Alright I appreciate that just cuz I want to get as much useful knowledge as I can. So is there any point to the mma operation then? He called it a maxilla and mandible advancement but neither of us used the word Lefort in anyway. Wouldn’t moving the entire maxilla fix a lot of other midfsce issues or does it have to be lefort 2-3? Also as for my eyes I tend to have really lame expressions in my pics from being self conscious I don’t know if that adds to the negative affect or if they’re just shitty. I’m confused on this one because I’ve had compliments from girls about my eyes, and these were definitely genuine. And I’m 27 but people say I look younger. I’m trying to improve for a bunch of reasons and don’t really like the idea of settling, also no joke and no brag I swear but I’ve had like three or four girls much younger than me try and hit me up I honestly didn’t pursue because I was self conscious but that’s another story. After some of what I’ve been told from my pics on here and other places I’m inclined to think they may have been trolling me.

A lefort 1 is bacially moving the under part of the maxilla(also here there are different ways to do it). Thats 100% what he is going to do and yes a Lefort 2 or 3( impossible to get if you dont have crouzon) would pull the whole maxilla forward giving you almost a whole new face especially from profile.
Remember the maxilla is the most important bone in your face.

to eyes:
your PFL seems rather low which cant be fixed. Obviously there is less/no undereye support because of recessed maxilla. And the NCT could be adressed.
They are blue, so thats a plus and many people like coloured eyes.

With your pheno you should still do ok if you try enough tbh.
 
Just go to Asia.
 
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A lefort 1 is bacially moving the under part of the maxilla(also here there are different ways to do it). Thats 100% what he is going to do and yes a Lefort 2 or 3( impossible to get if you dont have crouzon) would pull the whole maxilla forward giving you almost a whole new face especially from profile.
Remember the maxilla is the most important bone in your face.

to eyes:
your PFL seems rather low which cant be fixed. Obviously there is less/no undereye support because of recessed maxilla. And the NCT could be adressed.
They are blue, so thats a plus and many people like coloured eyes.

With your pheno you should still do ok if you try enough tbh.
What are your thoughts on fillers? I have someone in the hollywood area that is good with them. It would be a bit of money but she's talking about four vials of filler. One for each side of my jaw and one for each zygos. I've been warned by others that they aren't that great but if it gives me some 'bone' support that could cut down on the bloat no? Just a thought i could be wrong. Also my eyes are straight up brown im not sure how they looked blue lol
 
What are your thoughts on fillers? I have someone in the hollywood area that is good with them. It would be a bit of money but she's talking about four vials of filler. One for each side of my jaw and one for each zygos. I've been warned by others that they aren't that great but if it gives me some 'bone' support that could cut down on the bloat no? Just a thought i could be wrong. Also my eyes are straight up brown im not sure how they looked blue lol
Nah i wouldnt bother with fillers.

Risk of bone erosion and migration is not worth it from what i have heard.
 
Here’s a pic of when I was around 7 body fat. I have the app screenshot to prove that. I don’t think it’s that big a difference. Feel like I need more cheek bone or something but you tell me. Also what is my psl rn iyo
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7% bodyfat? I don't think you know how truly lean that is. Did you have 6 pack abs? 7% body fat is to the point of havint veins on your abs
 
7% bodyfat? I don't think you know how truly lean that is. Did you have 6 pack abs? 7% body fat is to the point of havint veins on your abs
That's what I'm saying I didnt have a full six pack even but the machine at the gym I go to was giving me a reading of 7 bodyfat. I chalked it up to not having strong ab muscles to show through so it was just flat there. It still stands that I"m not fat but my face is still heavy looking.
 
Nah i wouldnt bother with fillers.

Risk of bone erosion and migration is not worth it from what i have heard.
Agreed on the risks but do they look good. I only ask because the place I would be going to seems legit so far and they are saying that the fillers dissolve into the bone so they won't migrate. I still need to do research on that but I'm trying to get an idea if they are worth it from a looks standpoint.
 
That's what I'm saying I didnt have a full six pack even but the machine at the gym I go to was giving me a reading of 7 bodyfat. I chalked it up to not having strong ab muscles to show through so it was just flat there. It still stands that I"m not fat but my face is still heavy looking.
You are were skinny fat. which means you were fat. Your bones don't really pop through unless you have good genetics. You should lose weight until your stomach fat is the same as the top of your hand. Pull the fat on the top of your hand. That is what ypu should be pulling on your stomach
 
You are were skinny fat. which means you were fat. Your bones don't really pop through unless you have good genetics. You should lose weight until your stomach fat is the same as the top of your hand. Pull the fat on the top of your hand. That is what ypu should be pulling on your stomach
So lower belly yeah definitely fat there. Upper “four pack” part of my belly the skin still feels thick but the muscles show and I can’t feel any fat like with the lower part. Am indeluding myself or is the fat really just focused on the lower part rn. Maybe my genes just straight up suck. I dunno
 
So should I just give up? If I’m that low how much will the surgery realistically advance me?
You can get to 5.5 I guess, which is pretty good.
Softmaxxes like gym and fat loss may bump you up to around 4.5
 
Agreed on the risks but do they look good. I only ask because the place I would be going to seems legit so far and they are saying that the fillers dissolve into the bone so they won't migrate. I still need to do research on that but I'm trying to get an idea if they are worth it from a looks standpoint.
I use a blue light filter on my device😂
They seemed a little blue but nvm
 
You can get to 5.5 I guess, which is pretty good.
Softmaxxes like gym and fat loss may bump you up to around 4.5
So what is that in normal terms? I’m trying to do the 8+ or die trying thing. Psl6 is an 8 if I recall. :(
 
So what is that in normal terms? I’m trying to do the 8+ or die trying thing. Psl6 is an 8 if I recall. :(
PSL scale goes from 1 to 8, with 8 being a (non-existent) 10/10.
Normies are a 4. High-tier normies are a 5, Chadlites are 6, Chad is a 7.
 
So lower belly yeah definitely fat there. Upper “four pack” part of my belly the skin still feels thick but the muscles show and I can’t feel any fat like with the lower part. Am indeluding myself or is the fat really just focused on the lower part rn. Maybe my genes just straight up suck. I dunno
Just lose the weight until 12% then we can suggest you surgeries and shit.
 

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