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What would you honestly rate me, and what can I do to improve?
Stats are: 17, 6'0, 190 lbs, dick size 6.3Lx5.2G, half Chinese+0.25 German+0.25 British. I'd rate my face 4.5 out of ten, and SMV 6.2 out of ten, idk how the out of 7 PSL thing works. But I'd say I'm currently normie-high tier normie and I might be able to get to chad-lite.
KTHHV never had a girlfriend, some have been interested but lost it quickly, and have a few close friends.
What I'm currently doing:
Hair: Growing out to see if I'd look good with long hair, but currently infrequent shampoo and American crew wax if I go out

Skincare: Differin at night, wash+moisturize morning and evening

Hygiene: Cold shower+natural soap+infrequent shampoo twice a day, deodorant, Gold bond if heat or exercise,

Teeth: Brush+scrape tongue+floss+mouthwash twice a day, I already had braces, trying to whiten them with 44% carbamide, but if it doesn't work I'll do a home version like the one by pneumocystosis

PE: Vaccum stretcher 5 days a week 10-12 hours a day, Leluv pump, 5-6 pressure 20 min 4 days a week, 5mg Cialis everyday (already gained 0.6L+0.7G in 6 months)

Lifting/Physique: Around 1.5 years, but only 0.5 years serious, current supps creatine+cialis, split is modified Ice cream fitness 2.0, with incline bench, pullups, lat raises (basically 3 days a week full body), diet is 4000C+190P per day, mostly whole foods, lots eggs, beef, rice, and milk. No alcohol, tobacco, weed, or rec drugs, occasional nicotine gum for mental shit
Sleep: 8.5-9.5 per night, occasional melatonin or Diphenhydramine (Benadryl), no screens, and classic sleep hygiene will be getting Delta sleep-inducing peptide with upcoming order, (more below)

Style/fashion: Pretty basic, Average fit is: white AF1's, blue/black semi-slim jeans, black/white/grey slight muscle fit t-shirt, silver cross chain, leather bracelet, random jacket/beanie/baseball cap sometimes, sometimes light cologne, (cheap and smells basic af), might get Ultra male soon, sometimes sunglasses to hide eye area. Trying to move towards a slightly modern edgy look like the pics below, I've noticed that is really popular with girls my age.

Style 1
Style 2


Mental drugs: 1-2g phenibut not more than twice a week, Kanna quick snort right before social shit, modafinil for studying, occasional nic (gum) or caffeine

Stuff I'm going to start soon: Height growth protocol (100mcg mod grf+100mcg ipamorelin three times a day, (will be getting bloods to test my levels, if it's not sufficient I may switch to HGH),+letrozole 2.5mg is ideal, but depending on sides, I may lower), Melanotan 2, possible selegiline+cerebrolysin+other nootropics for mental/social gains, frame maxxing guide loosely based on: https://looksmax.org/threads/the-ul...aguide-framecels-gtfih-or-forever-rot.552586/ (will replace my current split to an extent),
Androgen maxxing (test cyp 250-500mg per week, following proper roid protocols and all that.) DISP for sleep, tretinoin for the face, I ordered the pharmaceuticals fromDashPCT, and the peptides/letrozole/roids from QDS (haven't arrived)

Miscellaneous: Eyebrow maxxing (castor oil, (going to switch to minoxidil)+monobrow plucking+grooming edges), neck training, Falim gum (2 pieces per side, 8-10 hours 5 days a week) haven't had any jaw problems or anything that dr mew says is bad, I'm also currently in a bulk so my face looks fatter than it should, I started puberty around 14.5, and I stopped growing in height about 6 months ago, so I'm hoping the height/frame maxxing will still be effective, might have ADHD or mild autism but can't confirm.

Pics in order are: Physique 2 months ago (lost some fat and gained a bit more muscle), Just the face, Outfit 1 is what I typically look like in public same with no. 2, Outfit 2 (I think sunglasses are good for me cause they hide my eye area well), side profile, face before bulking (I was flexing and had some downward lighting), Smiling.

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ltn
 
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I made a long-ass post like this back in 2020 when I first joined this forum. Its 2023 now and I'm still KHHV

Its over for you boyo
 
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I made a long-ass post like this back in 2020 when I first joined this forum. Its 2023 now and I'm still KHHV

Its over for you boyo
Brutal Ngl
 
I made a long-ass post like this back in 2020 when I first joined this forum. Its 2023 now and I'm still KHHV

Its over for you boyo
Would I still be if I got to 6'3 and wide frame? Maybe surgery down the road.
 
Leg lengthening wont do anything as you're already passable height for 99% of girls.

The obvious thing you can do is get a great physique. Lose bodyfat and get more muscle.

After you have done this come back to the forum in a year and reaccess if there are any specific surgeries that could benefit your face.
 
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Leg lengthening wont do anything as you're already passable height for 99% of girls.

The obvious thing you can do is get a great physique. Lose bodyfat and get more muscle.

After you have done this come back to the forum in a year and reaccess if there are any specific surgeries that could benefit your face.
 
Would I still be if I got to 6'3 and wide frame? Maybe surgery down the road.

Leg lengthening wont do anything as you're already passable height for 99% of girls.

The obvious thing you can do is get a great physique. Lose bodyfat and get more muscle.

After you have done this come back to the forum in a year and reaccess if there are any specific surgeries that could benefit your face.
^Either this, or other option is to kpopmaxx (so don't use melano-tan). There's some controversy surrounding kpopmaxxing but I'll say that in the Northeast US its mostly a meme, especially if you're into conventionally attractive white girls.
 
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brutaal pheno
 
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Leg lengthening wont do anything as you're already passable height for 99% of girls.

The obvious thing you can do is get a great physique. Lose bodyfat and get more muscle.

After you have done this come back to the forum in a year and reaccess if there are any specific surgeries that could benefit your face.
I meant gh maxing with peptides or gh and and letrozole bombing, cause I only stopped growing 6 months ago so there might be hope.
 
^Either this, or other option is to kpopmaxx (so don't use melano-tan). There's some controversy surrounding kpopmaxxing but I'll say that in the Northeast US its mostly a meme, especially if you're into conventionally attractive white girls.
I really dont like that look, but if it works then yeah. But I can't see myself being able to pull it off, I think it relies mostly on a cute prettyboy face, but I'd rather have the asian masculine look down, since I'm already tall, and height/framemaxxing might work
 
I really dont like that look, but if it works then yeah. But I can't see myself being able to pull it off, I think it relies mostly on a cute prettyboy face, but I'd rather have the asian masculine look down, since I'm already tall, and height/framemaxxing might work
Round face, wont happen. You either need to roid and DHTmaxx for 5 years to maybe build some masculine bone structure or forget it. Hell, try bonesmashing jfl
 
radix nonexistent, pfl too short, prey eyes, dick sucking lips, balloon face. DM me let me help you
 
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Round face, wont happen. You either need to roid and DHTmaxx for 5 years to maybe build some masculine bone structure or forget it. Hell, try bonesmashing jfl
Does bonesmashing actually work? And I am going to start roidmaxxing and dht maxxing.
 
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Does bonesmashing actually work? And I am going to start roidmaxxing and dht maxxing.
It works but not in the way you think. wont rlly help you
 
It works but not in the way you think. won't rlly help you
What would you say my worst features are? I think jaw and cheekbones but it might change a bit if I get leaner
 
What would you say my worst features are? I think jaw and cheekbones but it might change a bit if I get leaner
maxilla is recessed. not much to do to fix that
 
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maxilla is recessed. not much to do to fix that
Assuming my face doesn't change even after roid/dhtmaxxing and bonesmashing, but assuming I get a better frame and taller, would that be enough to get some average girls?
 
Assuming my face doesn't change even after roid/dhtmaxxing and bonesmashing, but assuming I get a better frame and taller, would that be enough to get some average girls?
if you reach 6'5 with a very masc and nichemaxxed body then maybe
 
All that effort and still it's over for you.

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Considering the current year and hypergamy, you're going to need a lot of surgeries.
 
All that effort and still it's over for you.

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Considering the current year and hypergamy, you're going to need a lot of surgeries.
What surgeries would you recommend? And could they be semi-substituted with roid/dht maxxing and bonesmashing?
 
this is why everyone should be surgerymaxxing why do people cope with stupid shit like this
 
I meant gh maxing with peptides or gh and and letrozole bombing, cause I only stopped growing 6 months ago so there might be hope.
If a girl isn't interested in you I can tell you it isn't because you're not tall enough. More height will do very little for your overall smv.
 
If a girl isn't interested in you I can tell you it isn't because you're not tall enough. More height will do very little for your overall smv.
What if I try to niche max to become very tall, and totally jacked, cause some girls like that.
 
What if I try to niche max to become very tall, and totally jacked, cause some girls like that.
Get a better physique (lean and toned) only then can you reassess your facial development (lower bf and higher testosterone) and see what surgeries can ascend you facially.

This is exactly what I did, in this order.
 
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This shit has me caging
 
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your face kinda looks hypothyroid, check thyroid
 
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your face kinda looks hypothyroid, check thyroid
what does that do to your face. my mom used to think i had it because she does, i got it checked once and i didn't. but i'm curious how it affects your appearance
 
Brutal op, you have the exact same problem as me, round face with no prominent bones.
So over. For us we need to surgerymaxx if we ever want to ascend.
Our faces are just naturally round and non masc. Zero sex appeal value to foids
 
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Brutal op, you have the exact same problem as me, round face with no prominent bones.
So over. For us we need to surgerymaxx if we ever want to ascend.
Our faces are just naturally round and non masc. Zero sex appeal value to foids
Fuck, Ive been afraid of that but always just coped thinking height and physique could carry me
 
What would you honestly rate me, and what can I do to improve?
Stats are: 17, 6'0, 190 lbs, dick size 6.3Lx5.2G, half Chinese+0.25 German+0.25 British. I'd rate my face 4.5 out of ten, and SMV 6.2 out of ten, idk how the out of 7 PSL thing works. But I'd say I'm currently normie-high tier normie and I might be able to get to chad-lite.
KTHHV never had a girlfriend, some have been interested but lost it quickly, and have a few close friends.
What I'm currently doing:
Hair: Growing out to see if I'd look good with long hair, but currently infrequent shampoo and American crew wax if I go out

Skincare: Differin at night, wash+moisturize morning and evening

Hygiene: Cold shower+natural soap+infrequent shampoo twice a day, deodorant, Gold bond if heat or exercise,

Teeth: Brush+scrape tongue+floss+mouthwash twice a day, I already had braces, trying to whiten them with 44% carbamide, but if it doesn't work I'll do a home version like the one by pneumocystosis

PE: Vaccum stretcher 5 days a week 10-12 hours a day, Leluv pump, 5-6 pressure 20 min 4 days a week, 5mg Cialis everyday (already gained 0.6L+0.7G in 6 months)

Lifting/Physique: Around 1.5 years, but only 0.5 years serious, current supps creatine+cialis, split is modified Ice cream fitness 2.0, with incline bench, pullups, lat raises (basically 3 days a week full body), diet is 4000C+190P per day, mostly whole foods, lots eggs, beef, rice, and milk. No alcohol, tobacco, weed, or rec drugs, occasional nicotine gum for mental shit
Sleep: 8.5-9.5 per night, occasional melatonin or Diphenhydramine (Benadryl), no screens, and classic sleep hygiene will be getting Delta sleep-inducing peptide with upcoming order, (more below)

Style/fashion: Pretty basic, Average fit is: white AF1's, blue/black semi-slim jeans, black/white/grey slight muscle fit t-shirt, silver cross chain, leather bracelet, random jacket/beanie/baseball cap sometimes, sometimes light cologne, (cheap and smells basic af), might get Ultra male soon, sometimes sunglasses to hide eye area. Trying to move towards a slightly modern edgy look like the pics below, I've noticed that is really popular with girls my age.

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Mental drugs: 1-2g phenibut not more than twice a week, Kanna quick snort right before social shit, modafinil for studying, occasional nic (gum) or caffeine

Stuff I'm going to start soon: Height growth protocol (100mcg mod grf+100mcg ipamorelin three times a day, (will be getting bloods to test my levels, if it's not sufficient I may switch to HGH),+letrozole 2.5mg is ideal, but depending on sides, I may lower), Melanotan 2, possible selegiline+cerebrolysin+other nootropics for mental/social gains, frame maxxing guide loosely based on: https://looksmax.org/threads/the-ul...aguide-framecels-gtfih-or-forever-rot.552586/ (will replace my current split to an extent),
Androgen maxxing (test cyp 250-500mg per week, following proper roid protocols and all that.) DISP for sleep, tretinoin for the face, I ordered the pharmaceuticals fromDashPCT, and the peptides/letrozole/roids from QDS (haven't arrived)

Miscellaneous: Eyebrow maxxing (castor oil, (going to switch to minoxidil)+monobrow plucking+grooming edges), neck training, Falim gum (2 pieces per side, 8-10 hours 5 days a week) haven't had any jaw problems or anything that dr mew says is bad, I'm also currently in a bulk so my face looks fatter than it should, I started puberty around 14.5, and I stopped growing in height about 6 months ago, so I'm hoping the height/frame maxxing will still be effective, might have ADHD or mild autism but can't confirm.

Pics in order are: Physique 2 months ago (lost some fat and gained a bit more muscle), Just the face, Outfit 1 is what I typically look like in public same with no. 2, Outfit 2 (I think sunglasses are good for me cause they hide my eye area well), side profile, face before bulking (I was flexing and had some downward lighting), Smiling.

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Low tier normie rn but you have potential. You don't need to do all the weird peptide shit or the eyebrow stuff. Get lean (10%), keep eating whole foods for health, then run a bulk while working out hard before finally cutting again (to 10 - 12 %, now with muscle). Do this alongside the skincare, grow out your hair and get thick curtains or TikTok fringe, improve your fashion style as it doesn't look very good rn and you'll do fine if NT
 
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Mtn overall
 
Everyone just be 100% honest, is it actually over or just close to being over?
 
Fuck, Ive been afraid of that but always just coped thinking height and physique could carry me
You aren’t even lean dude give up on trying get “big” natty you have shit bodybuilding genetics. Just get lean.

You will need to do steroids and possibly get facial surgery (chin/jaw work) if you want to improve you SMV in any substantial way.
 
what does that do to your face. my mom used to think i had it because she does, i got it checked once and i didn't. but i'm curious how it affects your appearance
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Well Ill get a test to see if I have that
yeah, tsh, t3, t4. ray peat and thyroid meds is good for thyroid. zinc copper ratio, selenium from brazil nut( dont take too much), iodised salt too
 
What would you honestly rate me, and what can I do to improve?
Stats are: 17, 6'0, 190 lbs, dick size 6.3Lx5.2G, half Chinese+0.25 German+0.25 British. I'd rate my face 4.5 out of ten, and SMV 6.2 out of ten, idk how the out of 7 PSL thing works. But I'd say I'm currently normie-high tier normie and I might be able to get to chad-lite.
KTHHV never had a girlfriend, some have been interested but lost it quickly, and have a few close friends.
What I'm currently doing:
Hair: Growing out to see if I'd look good with long hair, but currently infrequent shampoo and American crew wax if I go out

Skincare: Differin at night, wash+moisturize morning and evening

Hygiene: Cold shower+natural soap+infrequent shampoo twice a day, deodorant, Gold bond if heat or exercise,

Teeth: Brush+scrape tongue+floss+mouthwash twice a day, I already had braces, trying to whiten them with 44% carbamide, but if it doesn't work I'll do a home version like the one by pneumocystosis

PE: Vaccum stretcher 5 days a week 10-12 hours a day, Leluv pump, 5-6 pressure 20 min 4 days a week, 5mg Cialis everyday (already gained 0.6L+0.7G in 6 months)

Lifting/Physique: Around 1.5 years, but only 0.5 years serious, current supps creatine+cialis, split is modified Ice cream fitness 2.0, with incline bench, pullups, lat raises (basically 3 days a week full body), diet is 4000C+190P per day, mostly whole foods, lots eggs, beef, rice, and milk. No alcohol, tobacco, weed, or rec drugs, occasional nicotine gum for mental shit
Sleep: 8.5-9.5 per night, occasional melatonin or Diphenhydramine (Benadryl), no screens, and classic sleep hygiene will be getting Delta sleep-inducing peptide with upcoming order, (more below)

Style/fashion: Pretty basic, Average fit is: white AF1's, blue/black semi-slim jeans, black/white/grey slight muscle fit t-shirt, silver cross chain, leather bracelet, random jacket/beanie/baseball cap sometimes, sometimes light cologne, (cheap and smells basic af), might get Ultra male soon, sometimes sunglasses to hide eye area. Trying to move towards a slightly modern edgy look like the pics below, I've noticed that is really popular with girls my age.

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Mental drugs: 1-2g phenibut not more than twice a week, Kanna quick snort right before social shit, modafinil for studying, occasional nic (gum) or caffeine

Stuff I'm going to start soon: Height growth protocol (100mcg mod grf+100mcg ipamorelin three times a day, (will be getting bloods to test my levels, if it's not sufficient I may switch to HGH),+letrozole 2.5mg is ideal, but depending on sides, I may lower), Melanotan 2, possible selegiline+cerebrolysin+other nootropics for mental/social gains, frame maxxing guide loosely based on: https://looksmax.org/threads/the-ul...aguide-framecels-gtfih-or-forever-rot.552586/ (will replace my current split to an extent),
Androgen maxxing (test cyp 250-500mg per week, following proper roid protocols and all that.) DISP for sleep, tretinoin for the face, I ordered the pharmaceuticals fromDashPCT, and the peptides/letrozole/roids from QDS (haven't arrived)

Miscellaneous: Eyebrow maxxing (castor oil, (going to switch to minoxidil)+monobrow plucking+grooming edges), neck training, Falim gum (2 pieces per side, 8-10 hours 5 days a week) haven't had any jaw problems or anything that dr mew says is bad, I'm also currently in a bulk so my face looks fatter than it should, I started puberty around 14.5, and I stopped growing in height about 6 months ago, so I'm hoping the height/frame maxxing will still be effective, might have ADHD or mild autism but can't confirm.

Pics in order are: Physique 2 months ago (lost some fat and gained a bit more muscle), Just the face, Outfit 1 is what I typically look like in public same with no. 2, Outfit 2 (I think sunglasses are good for me cause they hide my eye area well), side profile, face before bulking (I was flexing and had some downward lighting), Smiling.

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Recessed LTN maxilla 404
 
Subhuman. Just work on career and wait for stemcels to release the fembot in like 20 years
 
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like a 4/10 bro
 
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