NO BS GUIDE: curing a subhuman eye area (abused dogs GTFIH)

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Some people will tell you that it doesn't matter how strong your facial features are, if your eye area is below the MTN range there is no salvation. It is truly a make or break area of the face. Considering my eyes are one of my largest failos and I see many here struggling with theirs I'll share various tidbits of info I've gathered. Listen this is a no BS guide. Most of these methods WILL REQUIRE surgery. I'm not going to sell you any "just mew" or "just ice" cope. Some of these copes can maybe help to minorly improve a MTN-HTN eye area but this guide will solely be focused on an LTN to subhuman eye area. Keep in mind that these probably won't give you a chad eye area but should at least stop your eyes from being an active failo.

STEP 1: CHEEK AUGMENTATION

Consider this to be setting the foundation to your eye area. Without proper malar support trying to fix your eye area will be a rather futile effort. Strong LATERAL (I'll explain my emphasis in a moment) will help to prop up a sagging droopy appearance of the skin. Key features of an underdeveloped lateral projection is a tired looking face despite being well rested, a "chubby" face despite being rather lean, very prominent nasolabial folds or eyebags at a young age.

TEST IT OUT:
Take the skin on your midface and pull it SIDEWAYS, you might notice that your eye area improves significantly and if this is the case you are lacking in lateral projection. Remember NOT to pull upwards, this would more so mimic a facial lift which lateral malar projection won't give you. Only pull SIDEWAYS I repeat.

Now the only way to really fix this is to laterally augment your cheeks. Whilst this can be done with filler you're really going to want to go with implants for longevity. Just keep in mind that you want LATERAL projection. If you ever wonder why many cheek implants will give you that "apple bottom" cheek appearance it's because they're both usually lowset and are placed in front of your face (which is called anterior projection), thus they don't do anything to give your skin that crucial side support. Most implants are also of the "submalar" variant which are designed to be placed below the malar region. There exists a far less commonly used "malar" design that's (as the name suggests) placed directly on the malar region. Considering most patients of implants are both women and usually very old it's easy to see why a "fuller" more "rounded" implant might seem more tempting but if you're a guy and young you really want to stay away from these.

Malar implants:
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Submalar (AKA Subhuman) implants:
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Difference in cheek implant placement is demonstrated in this video:


Some people will get a bit carried away and insist you NEED custom implants for them to look decent but in reality you really just need to place them laterally and not too low. Most examples provided down below aren't the result of custom implants.

Cheek implant results

Procedures: cheek + jaw implants, whether they're custom or not is unknown.

Malar augmentation

(Top two images) Procedures: cheek filler + brow lifts (Bottom image) off the shelf cheek and chin implants.

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Procedures: off the shelf cheek implants.

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Procedures: off the shelf cheek and chin implants + facelift.

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Procedures: facial filler sculpting + brow lift.

STEP 2 & 3: INFRA ORBITAL IMPLANTS + LOWER BLEPHAROPLASTY

I'll explain why I'm combining two procedures into one. I reckon most of .org is already familiar with this procedure. But for those who don't know infra orbital implants are implants that go directly underneath the eye area to help remedy a depressed looking under eye region. They're great at providing direct support and making an eye look a little less buggy.

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As for a lower blepharoplasty it's a prodecure that removes some excess skin underneath the eye to give the area a tighter appearance. Now the reason I pair both of these together is because adding an infraorbital implant alone isn't usually enough to fix the area directly underneath your eye area and most infra orbital implant results will be paired with some form of blepharoplasty or canthoplasty. In fact it was rather hard to find infra orbital implant results that weren't paired with some sort of undereye skin tightening which again is a reason I have these two procedures paired together.

Also much like malar implants there do exists some off the shelf designs so custom implants aren't always needed for this. Sometimes they'll go by the name "flowers implant".

Before and after pic 2b

Procedures: infra orbital implant + canthoplasty

Infra orbital lookism

Procedures: infraorbital implants.

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Procedures: infra orbital implant + lower blepharoplasty.

STEP 4: FIXING DISCOLOURATION

Alright so one thing a lot of people with subhuman eye areas deal with is hyper pigmentation below the eye which causes the undereye area to look very dark. Usually this is genetic and more prominent amongst non white populations. So here are a few ways you can help remedy this.

KOJIC ACID SOAP
Kojic acid soap is as the name suggests, an acidic soap that's really good at evening out the skin tone. If you struggle with patches of skin that look dark and dead paired with the rest of your face this is a good way to treat it though warning kojic acid soap WILL HEAVILY DRY OUT your skin so be sure to moisturise. There are far more guides on the net on how to properly use kojic acid soap so feel free to read up on guides made by people far more experienced than I.

Kojic acid soap


QUICK PSA: KOJIC ACID SOAP DOES NOT LIGHTEN YOUR SKIN IT WILL ONLY EVEN OUT YOUR SKIN TONE

Alright I'm going to chimp out for a little and maybe go a little off topic but it's related to kojic acid soap and it fills me with way too much rage but way too many FUCKING SNAKE OIL SALESMEN will try to convince you that kojic acid soap can whiten your skin. IT CANNOT I REPEAT IT CANNOT. The only so called "proof" of this will always be someone taking a picture within the caves of Mumbai and then pairing it with a giga washed out photo that's frauded beyond belief. You WILL NOT lighten your skin with kojic acid. To all these fucking snake oil salesmen who try to convince you that you can GENUINELY FUCKING KILL YOURSELVES I HOPE YOU DIE IN THE BACK ALLEYS OF MUMBAI AND SOME MIDDLE AGED INDIAN MAN ASSAULTS YOUR DEAD ASS CORPSE. MAYBE DYING AND ROTTING LIKE A CORPSE WILL FINALLY CAUSE YOU TO OBTAIN LIGHTER SKIN.

Kojic acid scam


I swear kojic acid soap brought me down so many fake skin lightening rabbit holes I'm so sick of it. I needed to vent about this madness. I'm so tired of these fucking sheboons and poojeetas turning the flash on their cameras and claiming this stuff will make you at all lighter. I sincerely repeat. Kojic acid soap will only even out your skin tone. NOT LIGHTEN IT.

UNDER EYE LASER TREATMENT
Oh yeah you can also use lasers to deal with under eye discolouration by lasering away some areas of hyperpigmentation. You can find some genuinely decent results out there but this along with using kojic acid soap should really be the final touches to your eye area.

Under eye dark circles treatment patient


I feel this isn't something I should leave out but canthoplasty can also drastically change your eye region by screwing around with soft tissue. The only reason it's not getting it's own specialised section is because canthoplasty is a massive wildcard. You really have to trust a surgeon to have an aesthetic eye when preforming a canthoplasty and you run a high risk of becoming botched whilst all the steps above don't really require too much aesthetic knowledge as long as you get your surgeon to do the basic job. There's potential to genuinely achieve a chad eye area with this but it's way too risky for me to so easily recommend.

Canthoplasty

Some users on .org have achieved some lifefuel results by tweaking around their upper eye area but unfortunately there's very little info on these procedures outside of .org users exploring uncharted territory.

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Procedures: fat grafts to the top of the eyes.

Botox hunter eyes

Procedures: botox applied to the brows to lower the region and cover up UEE.

Supramaxxing

Procedures: brow implants that can help address a flat upper eye region.

WRAPING IT UP:

I know these are a lot of rather invasive steps but unfortunately fixing a subhuman eye area doesn't have one cure. It's not like a recessed chin that can either be fixed with simply augmenting the chin or undergoing bimax. Most failos don't require such a multi-step process to fix like the eye area.

Here are a few eye ascensions that consist of going under various surgeries ranging from implants to fat transfers to some form of canthoplasty.

Eye ascension


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Alright enough gatekeeping my knowledge. Well it's less that I was gatekeeping and more so just collecting until I had a place to dump it all in. These will all be things I will hop to be getting done myself in the future and I hope this guide can help "guide" you in the right direction for any of you abused dogs who have no idea where to start for improving your eye area.
 

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Come on I didn't write all this for nothing.
 
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nice effort wandering burrito :feelsmage:
 
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I swear kojic acid soap brought me down so many fake skin lightening rabbit holes I'm so sick of it. I needed to vent about this madness. I'm so tired of these fucking sheboons and poojeetas turning the flash on their cameras and claiming this stuff will make you at all lighter. I sincerely repeat. Kojic acid soap will only even out your skin tone. NOT LIGHTEN IT.
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Maybe one day I'll make a no BS guide to skin lightening which I've also been researching and holy christ there's so many fake home remedies conjured up by mama juju in her Nigerian mud hut it made me want to scream. Genuine skin lightening is actually a lot harder to achieve than one would think and very rarely will you come across honest results.

nice effort wandering burrito :feelsmage:
Thank you! The eye region is crucial but there aren't many guides on .org other than mentions of "muh infraorbitals" or "just ice bro". Hoping this provides something more concise with genuine results.
 
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Zygos are life

Shit cheekbones=soul less aged low class sub animal
 
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Zygos are life

Shit cheekbones=soul less aged low class sub animal
Just make sure you refer to them as the malar region to your surgeon. Zygos is purely an .org'ism and will only make doctors look at you weird.
 
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relatively obvious information but well formatted and compiled nicely. also dont see a lot of people talking about kojic acid

repped and bookmarked:)
 
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relatively obvious information but well formatted and compiled nicely. also dont see a lot of people talking about kojic acid

repped and bookmarked:)
Most of it I feel most .org users would have come across at one point or another though yeah I wanted to both compile various methods (since I feel you'll need these various methods to really ascend an eye area) and maybe illuminate on them a little. Like when it comes to cheek implants I feel most people are of the belief that they HAVE to be custom and leaving the bar for entry so high most people won't bother with them when there are some decent results out there using cheaper off the shelf designs.

Appreciate it!
 
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Thanks ❤️
 
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Best eyemaxxing guide ive seen on this site.
 
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@WanderingBurro In your opinion are custom infras worth the higher cost?
 
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Best eyemaxxing guide ive seen on this site.
Thanks, appreciate it! I feel someone needed to cut to the chase. There's way too many snake oil remedies on here fueled by wishful thinking so hopefully this provides something more concrete.

Thinking over it again I would've liked to maybe include a section on lashes as they can really help to bring out an eye area but this guide is mostly on how to escape subhumanity.
 
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Some people will tell you that it doesn't matter how strong your facial features are, if your eye area is below the MTN range there is no salvation. It is truly a make or break area of the face. Considering my eyes are one of my largest failos and I see many here struggling with theirs I'll share various tidbits of info I've gathered. Listen this is a no BS guide. Most of these methods WILL REQUIRE surgery. I'm not going to sell you any "just mew" or "just ice" cope. Some of these copes can maybe help to minorly improve a MTN-HTN eye area but this guide will solely be focused on an LTN to subhuman eye area. Keep in mind that these probably won't give you a chad eye area but should at least stop your eyes from being an active failo.

STEP 1: CHEEK AUGMENTATION

Consider this to be setting the foundation to your eye area. Without proper malar support trying to fix your eye area will be a rather futile effort. Strong LATERAL (I'll explain my emphasis in a moment) will help to prop up a sagging droopy appearance of the skin. Key features of an underdeveloped lateral projection is a tired looking face despite being well rested, a "chubby" face despite being rather lean, very prominent nasolabial folds or eyebags at a young age.

TEST IT OUT:
Take the skin on your midface and pull it SIDEWAYS, you might notice that your eye area improves significantly and if this is the case you are lacking in lateral projection. Remember NOT to pull upwards, this would more so mimic a facial lift which lateral malar projection won't give you. Only pull SIDEWAYS I repeat.

Now the only way to really fix this is to laterally augment your cheeks. Whilst this can be done with filler you're really going to want to go with implants for longevity. Just keep in mind that you want LATERAL projection. If you ever wonder why many cheek implants will give you that "apple bottom" cheek appearance it's because they're both usually lowset and are placed in front of your face (which is called anterior projection), thus they don't do anything to give your skin that crucial side support. Most implants are also of the "submalar" variant which are designed to be placed below the malar region. There exists a far less commonly used "malar" design that's (as the name suggests) placed directly on the malar region. Considering most patients of implants are both women and usually very old it's easy to see why a "fuller" more "rounded" implant might seem more tempting but if you're a guy and young you really want to stay away from these.

Malar implants:
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Submalar (AKA Subhuman) implants:
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Difference in cheek implant placement is demonstrated in this video:


Some people will get a bit carried away and insist you NEED custom implants for them to look decent but in reality you really just need to place them laterally and not too low. Most examples provided down below aren't the result of custom implants.

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Procedures: cheek + jaw implants, whether they're custom or not is unknown.

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(Top two images) Procedures: cheek filler + brow lifts (Bottom image) off the shelf cheek and chin implants.

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Procedures: off the shelf cheek implants.

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Procedures: off the shelf cheek and chin implants + facelift.

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Procedures: facial filler sculpting + brow lift.

STEP 2 & 3: INFRA ORBITAL IMPLANTS + LOWER BLEPHAROPLASTY

I'll explain why I'm combining two procedures into one. I reckon most of .org is already familiar with this procedure. But for those who don't know infra orbital implants are implants that go directly underneath the eye area to help remedy a depressed looking under eye region. They're great at providing direct support and making an eye look a little less buggy.

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As for a lower blepharoplasty it's a prodecure that removes some excess skin underneath the eye to give the area a tighter appearance. Now the reason I pair both of these together is because adding an infraorbital implant alone isn't usually enough to fix the area directly underneath your eye area and most infra orbital implant results will be paired with some form of blepharoplasty or canthoplasty. In fact it was rather hard to find infra orbital implant results that weren't paired with some sort of undereye skin tightening which again is a reason I have these two procedures paired together.

Also much like malar implants there do exists some off the shelf designs so custom implants aren't always needed for this. Sometimes they'll go by the name "flowers implant".

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Procedures: infra orbital implant + canthoplasty

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Procedures: infraorbital implants.

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Procedures: infra orbital implant + lower blepharoplasty.

STEP 4: FIXING DISCOLOURATION

Alright so one thing a lot of people with subhuman eye areas deal with is hyper pigmentation below the eye which causes the undereye area to look very dark. Usually this is genetic and more prominent amongst non white populations. So here are a few ways you can help remedy this.

KOJIC ACID SOAP
Kojic acid soap is as the name suggests, an acidic soap that's really good at evening out the skin tone. If you struggle with patches of skin that look dark and dead paired with the rest of your face this is a good way to treat it though warning kojic acid soap WILL HEAVILY DRY OUT your skin so be sure to moisturise. There are far more guides on the net on how to properly use kojic acid soap so feel free to read up on guides made by people far more experienced than I.

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QUICK PSA: KOJIC ACID SOAP DOES NOT LIGHTEN YOUR SKIN IT WILL ONLY EVEN OUT YOUR SKIN TONE

Alright I'm going to chimp out for a little and maybe go a little off topic but it's related to kojic acid soap and it fills me with way too much rage but way too many FUCKING SNAKE OIL SALESMEN will try to convince you that kojic acid soap can whiten your skin. IT CANNOT I REPEAT IT CANNOT. The only so called "proof" of this will always be someone taking a picture within the caves of Mumbai and then pairing it with a giga washed out photo that's frauded beyond belief. You WILL NOT lighten your skin with kojic acid. To all these fucking snake oil salesmen who try to convince you that you can GENUINELY FUCKING KILL YOURSELVES I HOPE YOU DIE IN THE BACK ALLEYS OF MUMBAI AND SOME MIDDLE AGED INDIAN MAN ASSAULTS YOUR DEAD ASS CORPSE. MAYBE DYING AND ROTTING LIKE A CORPSE WILL FINALLY CAUSE YOU TO OBTAIN LIGHTER SKIN.

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I swear kojic acid soap brought me down so many fake skin lightening rabbit holes I'm so sick of it. I needed to vent about this madness. I'm so tired of these fucking sheboons and poojeetas turning the flash on their cameras and claiming this stuff will make you at all lighter. I sincerely repeat. Kojic acid soap will only even out your skin tone. NOT LIGHTEN IT.

UNDER EYE LASER TREATMENT
Oh yeah you can also use lasers to deal with under eye discolouration by lasering away some areas of hyperpigmentation. You can find some genuinely decent results out there but this along with using kojic acid soap should really be the final touches to your eye area.

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I feel this isn't something I should leave out but canthoplasty can also drastically change your eye region by screwing around with soft tissue. The only reason it's not getting it's own specialised section is because canthoplasty is a massive wildcard. You really have to trust a surgeon to have an aesthetic eye when preforming a canthoplasty and you run a high risk of becoming botched whilst all the steps above don't really require too much aesthetic knowledge as long as you get your surgeon to do the basic job. There's potential to genuinely achieve a chad eye area with this but it's way too risky for me to so easily recommend.

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Some users on .org have achieved some lifefuel results by tweaking around their upper eye area but unfortunately there's very little info on these procedures outside of .org users exploring uncharted territory.

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Procedures: fat grafts to the top of the eyes.

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Procedures: botox applied to the brows to lower the region and cover up UEE.

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Procedures: brow implants that can help address a flat upper eye region.

WRAPING IT UP:

I know these are a lot of rather invasive steps but unfortunately fixing a subhuman eye area doesn't have one cure. It's not like a recessed chin that can either be fixed with simply augmenting the chin or undergoing bimax. Most failos don't require such a multi-step process to fix like the eye area.

Here are a few eye ascensions that consist of going under various surgeries ranging from implants to fat transfers to some form of canthoplasty.

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Alright enough gatekeeping my knowledge. Well it's less that I was gatekeeping and more so just collecting until I had a place to dump it all in. These will all be things I will hop to be getting done myself in the future and I hope this guide can help "guide" you in the right direction for any of you abused dogs who have no idea where to start for improving your eye area.

No mention of jaw surgery or OBO mse . Maxilla supports eyes
 
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Thanks, appreciate it! I feel someone needed to cut to the chase. There's way too many snake oil remedies on here fueled by wishful thinking so hopefully this provides something more concrete.

Thinking over it again I would've liked to maybe include a section on lashes as they can really help to bring out an eye area but this guide is mostly on how to escape subhumanity.
Brows pretty important too. Yeah, way too much cope with skin creams and volufiline. If it sounds too good to be true…well you know.
 
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No mention of jaw surgery or OBO mse . Maxilla supports eyes
yeah but realistically who on here is actually gonna get a lefort III.
 
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@WanderingBurro In your opinion are custom infras worth the higher cost?
Unsure (mostly because I haven't seen too much comparison between the two) though I do feel custom designs are a bit overrated. Most doctors will tell you that custom implants are mostly reserved for asymmetric deformities and that off the shelf designs will largely suit the needs of your average customer. It's also worth keeping in mind that off the shelf designs can also be customised to a degree with more skilled surgeons shaving down and shaping ready made implants to better suit your needs.

I will note that custom implants do seem to be the only option when it comes to things such as wrap around jaw implants since lower jaw bones can vary quite a lot from one to another.
 
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Unsure (mostly because I haven't seen too much comparison between the two) though I do feel custom designs are a bit overrated. Most doctors will tell you that custom implants are mostly reserved for asymmetric deformities and that off the shelf designs will largely suit the needs of your average customer. It's also worth keeping in mind that off the shelf designs can also be customised to a degree with more skilled surgeons shaving down and shaping ready made implants to better suit your needs.

I will note that custom implants do seem to be the only option when it comes to things such as wrap around jaw implants since lower jaw bones can vary quite a lot from one to another.
Cool, that’s exactly what I heard when I asked a few surgeons.
 
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No mention of jaw surgery or OBO mse . Maxilla supports eyes
Unless you get a lefort III (good luck) any improvements you'll get from jaw surgery for the eye will be minimal at best or nothing at worst. It certainly isn't worth throwing in tens of thousands of dollar on the off chance that your eye area might improve by 5% when there are other ways to more directly treat your eye area.

As for OBO good luck trying to get someone to preform it on an adult. Most OBO patients are very young children. If it was a more readily available surgery I'd maybe include it for IPD-cels but I don't want to falsely raise hopes and only provide procedures that most users will likely have access to. There are also some decent looking eye areas out there with somewhat bad IPD's so if you fix up the surrounding area of your eye you can sort of hide this failo.
 
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can you answer to this post so i‘ll remember your thread and read it tmrw?
 
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Do you know much about upper eyelid fat grafting? I'm in a position where I can't get more surgery as of yet (in this case supras) but I want to improve my UEE, so it seems like the most sensible option.

In case it matters, my supras are OK and orbits are slightly bulgy, though nothing absurd. Not sure if you need both of these, and especially the latter checked out to have a successful result on fat grafting at the upper eyelid.
 
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Do you know much about upper eyelid fat grafting? I'm in a position where I can't get more surgery as of yet (in this case supras) but I want to improve my UEE, so it seems like the most sensible option.

In case it matters, my supras are OK and orbits are slightly bulgy, though nothing absurd. Not sure if you need both of these, and especially the latter checked out to have a successful result on fat grafting at the upper eyelid.

Sort of the reason I just shoved it into the bonus round section. I don't know too much about the procedure since it doesn't seem to be all too common (and much less amongst younger males). But if your supras are decently developed I reckon it's something worth looking into.

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What does it mean if your eye area improves a lot when u gently push up on your cheeks like this with your fingers:
 

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What does it mean if your eye area improves a lot when u gently push up on your cheeks like this with your fingers:
My eye area ascends hard when i do that
 
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My eye area ascends hard when i do that
It seems like you're pressing up from underneath your eye area. I'd consider looking into infraorbitals + lower blepharoplasty as this would help to tighten the area and provide more support to the area you're shifting some of your facial mass to with your fingers.
 
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my cheekbones stick out a lot laterally but they don’t stick out anteriorly at all, wondering if I need infraorbital or malar implants?
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my cheekbones stick out a lot laterally but they don’t stick out anteriorly at all, wondering if I need infraorbital or malar implants?
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Infraorbital implants will help to give you that anterior projection right underneath your eyes + maybe add a bit of discolouration treatment upon that as there seems to be a little bit of hyperpigmentation underneath.

I wouldn't recommend malar implants as they seem to be decently grown already. Adding malar implants laterally will probably be overkill and adding them anteriorly might just give you an unnatural bloated appearance.
 
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Infraorbital implants will help to give you that anterior projection right underneath your eyes + maybe add a bit of discolouration treatment upon that as there seems to be a little bit of hyperpigmentation underneath.

I wouldn't recommend malar implants as they seem to be decently grown already. Adding malar implants laterally will probably be overkill and adding them anteriorly might just give you an unnatural bloated appearance.
alright thanks that’s what I thought, great formatting on the thread and high IQ response btw. Just need to save up 6.5k for infraorbital implants.
 
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Just make sure you refer to them as the malar region to your surgeon. Zygos is purely an .org'ism and will only make doctors look at you weird.
best advice in this thread, i spoke to surgeon Simonas Grybauskas and said I want zygo implants, and he said "why youre not missing amy teeth"

was propably my most autistic moment in life i legit wanted to kms in that moment :feelskek::feelskek::feelskek:
 
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best advice in this thread, i spoke to surgeon Simonas Grybauskas and said I want zygo implants, and he said "why youre not missing amy teeth"

was propably my most autistic moment in life i legit wanted to kms in that moment :feelskek::feelskek::feelskek:
Absolutely caging. I remember once trying to look up "zygo/zygomatic implants" and the Google image search results were 99% this.

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I think it was the streetshitter himself QOVES who mentioned that zygos aren't really a term used outside of the lookism community and from my time browsing surgical procedures I never saw the term either. Usually just the term "malar region, or "malar augmentation".
 
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Good thread but it's not as simple as just sticking on off the shelf cheek implants EVEN if your malar region is weak. It completely changes the ratios and harmony of your upper midface/ eye region, and while the zygos may look better from a 3/4 view, the front profile just looks off in a lot of cases since there's too much lateral augmentation (akin to that of the botched look too much filler gives you)

i may be wrong but there's just too many variables so I think customized implants would be better in almost all cases
 
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Good thread but it's not as simple as just sticking on off the shelf cheek implants EVEN if your malar region is weak. It completely changes the ratios and harmony of your upper midface/ eye region, and while the zygos may look better from a 3/4 view, the front profile just looks off in a lot of cases since there's too much lateral augmentation (akin to that of the botched look too much filler gives you)

i may be wrong but there's just too many variables so I think customized implants would be better in almost all cases
Unsure if there is truth or not to this though it's a little hard to tell when surgery results aren't given more angles to work with though from my experience it's usually the 3/4 view that looks the most uncanny in bad cheek implant jobs. If the 3/4 looks decent then that's usually a green flag.

Submalar implants


Wish I had more examples of front facing lateral projection. There's these but I don't know if the design was custom or not.
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There's this but this is for facial feminisation surgery so more than cheek implants were done here. I'd just note that the cheeks don't really look uncanny.
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There's a wide variety of facial proportions out there so I'm not the most strict when considering the exacts of facial ratios because I feel there's a lot of flexibility to work with.

This isn't to say custom designs are worse. If you can afford them they may provide the best results but off the shelf designs don't inherently look bad and can to an extent be customised to fit one's needs. If your barrier to entry is "it's custom implants with Pagnoni or nothing" then I'd like to show that going for non-custom implants isn't going to leave you bogged by default. Not to mention I feel one problem with custom implants is that they're often too conservative. They often only add minimal amounts of projection which sometimes provide results that are almost invisible.
 
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mirin effort, great thread
 
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couldnt all these results be achieved with full custom mid face implants?
 
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Good thread
 
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my face is 3-4 shades darker than body due to not weaeing suncream and hyperpigmentation. will kojic acid return my face to base?
 
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Unsure if there is truth or not to this though it's a little hard to tell when surgery results aren't given more angles to work with though from my experience it's usually the 3/4 view that looks the most uncanny in bad cheek implant jobs. If the 3/4 looks decent then that's usually a green flag.

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Wish I had more examples of front facing lateral projection. There's these but I don't know if the design was custom or not.
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There's this but this is for facial feminisation surgery so more than cheek implants were done here. I'd just note that the cheeks don't really look uncanny.
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There's a wide variety of facial proportions out there so I'm not the most strict when considering the exacts of facial ratios because I feel there's a lot of flexibility to work with.

This isn't to say custom designs are worse. If you can afford them they may provide the best results but off the shelf designs don't inherently look bad and can to an extent be customised to fit one's needs. If your barrier to entry is "it's custom implants with Pagnoni or nothing" then I'd like to show that going for non-custom implants isn't going to leave you bogged by default. Not to mention I feel one problem with custom implants is that they're often too conservative. They often only add minimal amounts of projection which sometimes provide results that are almost invisible.
That deep valley created by the implant is my biggest concern. I can’t even really tell what causes this. Did those people just get too big of an implant? Or maybe their surgeon really just sucked?

I’m thinking a custom implant could be designed to gradually converge into the zygomatic and malar bones to create a contour that appears natural.
 
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Infraorbital implants will help to give you that anterior projection right underneath your eyes + maybe add a bit of discolouration treatment upon that as there seems to be a little bit of hyperpigmentation underneath.

I wouldn't recommend malar implants as they seem to be decently grown already. Adding malar implants laterally will probably be overkill and adding them anteriorly might just give you an unnatural bloated appearance.
mine are very much like his with lateral zygo projection but i have a deep anterior depression would infras help me much or would i have to do something more complex? 932A5D2B F9DD 4827 9753 F36FE45703D3 5B7CF491 6AF3 4761 BF2E F8FE03E57404
 
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Are you the guy from tiktok? The guy in your thread with the beard
 
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Are you the guy from tiktok? The guy in your thread with the beard
I wish, he went from LTN-MTN abused dog to HTN who probably lives as an IRL chad through softmaxxes. Gives me lifefuel for cheek implants though.
 
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That deep valley created by the implant is my biggest concern. I can’t even really tell what causes this. Did those people just get too big of an implant? Or maybe their surgeon really just sucked?

I’m thinking a custom implant could be designed to gradually converge into the zygomatic and malar bones to create a contour that appears natural.
I think all of the "bad implant job" pics were submalar variants placed anteriorly, malar implants placed laterally tend to provide less uncanny results from what I've seen.
 
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Good thread

You think a decent eye area can ascend via softmax?
 
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Some people will tell you that it doesn't matter how strong your facial features are, if your eye area is below the MTN range there is no salvation. It is truly a make or break area of the face. Considering my eyes are one of my largest failos and I see many here struggling with theirs I'll share various tidbits of info I've gathered. Listen this is a no BS guide. Most of these methods WILL REQUIRE surgery. I'm not going to sell you any "just mew" or "just ice" cope. Some of these copes can maybe help to minorly improve a MTN-HTN eye area but this guide will solely be focused on an LTN to subhuman eye area. Keep in mind that these probably won't give you a chad eye area but should at least stop your eyes from being an active failo.

STEP 1: CHEEK AUGMENTATION

Consider this to be setting the foundation to your eye area. Without proper malar support trying to fix your eye area will be a rather futile effort. Strong LATERAL (I'll explain my emphasis in a moment) will help to prop up a sagging droopy appearance of the skin. Key features of an underdeveloped lateral projection is a tired looking face despite being well rested, a "chubby" face despite being rather lean, very prominent nasolabial folds or eyebags at a young age.

TEST IT OUT:
Take the skin on your midface and pull it SIDEWAYS, you might notice that your eye area improves significantly and if this is the case you are lacking in lateral projection. Remember NOT to pull upwards, this would more so mimic a facial lift which lateral malar projection won't give you. Only pull SIDEWAYS I repeat.

Now the only way to really fix this is to laterally augment your cheeks. Whilst this can be done with filler you're really going to want to go with implants for longevity. Just keep in mind that you want LATERAL projection. If you ever wonder why many cheek implants will give you that "apple bottom" cheek appearance it's because they're both usually lowset and are placed in front of your face (which is called anterior projection), thus they don't do anything to give your skin that crucial side support. Most implants are also of the "submalar" variant which are designed to be placed below the malar region. There exists a far less commonly used "malar" design that's (as the name suggests) placed directly on the malar region. Considering most patients of implants are both women and usually very old it's easy to see why a "fuller" more "rounded" implant might seem more tempting but if you're a guy and young you really want to stay away from these.

Malar implants:
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Submalar (AKA Subhuman) implants:
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Difference in cheek implant placement is demonstrated in this video:


Some people will get a bit carried away and insist you NEED custom implants for them to look decent but in reality you really just need to place them laterally and not too low. Most examples provided down below aren't the result of custom implants.

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Procedures: cheek + jaw implants, whether they're custom or not is unknown.

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(Top two images) Procedures: cheek filler + brow lifts (Bottom image) off the shelf cheek and chin implants.

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Procedures: off the shelf cheek implants.

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Procedures: off the shelf cheek and chin implants + facelift.

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Procedures: facial filler sculpting + brow lift.

STEP 2 & 3: INFRA ORBITAL IMPLANTS + LOWER BLEPHAROPLASTY

I'll explain why I'm combining two procedures into one. I reckon most of .org is already familiar with this procedure. But for those who don't know infra orbital implants are implants that go directly underneath the eye area to help remedy a depressed looking under eye region. They're great at providing direct support and making an eye look a little less buggy.

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As for a lower blepharoplasty it's a prodecure that removes some excess skin underneath the eye to give the area a tighter appearance. Now the reason I pair both of these together is because adding an infraorbital implant alone isn't usually enough to fix the area directly underneath your eye area and most infra orbital implant results will be paired with some form of blepharoplasty or canthoplasty. In fact it was rather hard to find infra orbital implant results that weren't paired with some sort of undereye skin tightening which again is a reason I have these two procedures paired together.

Also much like malar implants there do exists some off the shelf designs so custom implants aren't always needed for this. Sometimes they'll go by the name "flowers implant".

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Procedures: infra orbital implant + canthoplasty

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Procedures: infraorbital implants.

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Procedures: infra orbital implant + lower blepharoplasty.

STEP 4: FIXING DISCOLOURATION

Alright so one thing a lot of people with subhuman eye areas deal with is hyper pigmentation below the eye which causes the undereye area to look very dark. Usually this is genetic and more prominent amongst non white populations. So here are a few ways you can help remedy this.

KOJIC ACID SOAP
Kojic acid soap is as the name suggests, an acidic soap that's really good at evening out the skin tone. If you struggle with patches of skin that look dark and dead paired with the rest of your face this is a good way to treat it though warning kojic acid soap WILL HEAVILY DRY OUT your skin so be sure to moisturise. There are far more guides on the net on how to properly use kojic acid soap so feel free to read up on guides made by people far more experienced than I.

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QUICK PSA: KOJIC ACID SOAP DOES NOT LIGHTEN YOUR SKIN IT WILL ONLY EVEN OUT YOUR SKIN TONE

Alright I'm going to chimp out for a little and maybe go a little off topic but it's related to kojic acid soap and it fills me with way too much rage but way too many FUCKING SNAKE OIL SALESMEN will try to convince you that kojic acid soap can whiten your skin. IT CANNOT I REPEAT IT CANNOT. The only so called "proof" of this will always be someone taking a picture within the caves of Mumbai and then pairing it with a giga washed out photo that's frauded beyond belief. You WILL NOT lighten your skin with kojic acid. To all these fucking snake oil salesmen who try to convince you that you can GENUINELY FUCKING KILL YOURSELVES I HOPE YOU DIE IN THE BACK ALLEYS OF MUMBAI AND SOME MIDDLE AGED INDIAN MAN ASSAULTS YOUR DEAD ASS CORPSE. MAYBE DYING AND ROTTING LIKE A CORPSE WILL FINALLY CAUSE YOU TO OBTAIN LIGHTER SKIN.

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I swear kojic acid soap brought me down so many fake skin lightening rabbit holes I'm so sick of it. I needed to vent about this madness. I'm so tired of these fucking sheboons and poojeetas turning the flash on their cameras and claiming this stuff will make you at all lighter. I sincerely repeat. Kojic acid soap will only even out your skin tone. NOT LIGHTEN IT.

UNDER EYE LASER TREATMENT
Oh yeah you can also use lasers to deal with under eye discolouration by lasering away some areas of hyperpigmentation. You can find some genuinely decent results out there but this along with using kojic acid soap should really be the final touches to your eye area.

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I feel this isn't something I should leave out but canthoplasty can also drastically change your eye region by screwing around with soft tissue. The only reason it's not getting it's own specialised section is because canthoplasty is a massive wildcard. You really have to trust a surgeon to have an aesthetic eye when preforming a canthoplasty and you run a high risk of becoming botched whilst all the steps above don't really require too much aesthetic knowledge as long as you get your surgeon to do the basic job. There's potential to genuinely achieve a chad eye area with this but it's way too risky for me to so easily recommend.

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Some users on .org have achieved some lifefuel results by tweaking around their upper eye area but unfortunately there's very little info on these procedures outside of .org users exploring uncharted territory.

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Procedures: fat grafts to the top of the eyes.

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Procedures: botox applied to the brows to lower the region and cover up UEE.

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Procedures: brow implants that can help address a flat upper eye region.

WRAPING IT UP:

I know these are a lot of rather invasive steps but unfortunately fixing a subhuman eye area doesn't have one cure. It's not like a recessed chin that can either be fixed with simply augmenting the chin or undergoing bimax. Most failos don't require such a multi-step process to fix like the eye area.

Here are a few eye ascensions that consist of going under various surgeries ranging from implants to fat transfers to some form of canthoplasty.

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Alright enough gatekeeping my knowledge. Well it's less that I was gatekeeping and more so just collecting until I had a place to dump it all in. These will all be things I will hop to be getting done myself in the future and I hope this guide can help "guide" you in the right direction for any of you abused dogs who have no idea where to start for improving your eye area.

They stickying anything atp
 
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Good thread

You think a decent eye area can ascend via softmax?
If your eye is already decent then you can focus on things like shaping brows, bringing out lashes, maybe icing or even a little bit of light concealer fraud. This guide is mostly aimed at completely subhuman eye areas that can't be fixed with any softmaxxes.
 
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