IraniancelV2
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You can not debunk carnivore
The vast majority of this forum consists of peptide copers who are also addicted to goyslop, but then seriously suggest the natural human diet is inferior to the unnatural dysgenic modern diet.
Before you bombard me with logical fallacies, read my statement at the bottom. Failing to do so means you concede the argument!
Just think from a logical perspective: Do you really think the diet humans naturally adapted to eat for over 100.000 years is unhealthier than the modern diet causing malocclusion, narrow palates, crooked teeth and many more health problems?
The last ice age was about 110.000-10.000 years ago. 99% of plants you consume would not have been available at this time. Keep in mind most plants we consume don't exist in nature. Research supporting this:
Chapter 1:
Micro nutrients, fiber, and dangers of consuming plants.
Chapter 2: Gluconeogenesis, the natural energy source
Common logical fallacies: "Raw meat won't ascend you!"
— Yes, it won't. It's still the healthiest "diet". I never claimed it would magically triple your PSL.
"Bro listens to Goatis, what a retard!" — I don't. Goatis did not invent the natural human diet. I disagree with a lot of stuff he says.
Go after the logical reasoning and actual arguments if you disagree. Trying to use ad hominem or a straw man won't work here. Be better. Let's see how many "people" still bring make use of these.
Of course, there is much more to this, but I think this is a great start.
The vast majority of this forum consists of peptide copers who are also addicted to goyslop, but then seriously suggest the natural human diet is inferior to the unnatural dysgenic modern diet.
Before you bombard me with logical fallacies, read my statement at the bottom. Failing to do so means you concede the argument!
Just think from a logical perspective: Do you really think the diet humans naturally adapted to eat for over 100.000 years is unhealthier than the modern diet causing malocclusion, narrow palates, crooked teeth and many more health problems?
The last ice age was about 110.000-10.000 years ago. 99% of plants you consume would not have been available at this time. Keep in mind most plants we consume don't exist in nature. Research supporting this:
Chapter 1:
Micro nutrients, fiber, and dangers of consuming plants.
Meat has every single essential nutrient, without any anti nutrients or poisonous plant chemicals. Plants use these anti nutrientsto defend them selves from being eaten. Humans are not adapted to eat plants. Fiber is useless, it can't be digested by the human body and leads to constipation and bloat.
"But it's good to treat constipation!"
Yet this actual scientific study isolating variables found the exact opposite:
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
"In our recent study, patients who followed a diet with no or less dietary fiber intake showed a significant improvement, not just in their constipation, but also in their bloatedness. Patients who completely stopped consuming dietary fiber no longer suffered from abdominal bloatedness and pain"
"But plants are healthy and not poisonous, what are you talking about? They are full of essential vitamins!"
"But healthy antioxidants bro!"
Goitrogens in broccoli can negatively impact brain development:
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Lectins inhibit nutrient absorption, thus leading to nutrient deficiencies:
nutritionsource.hsph.harvard.edu
Lectins in plants may contribute to autoimmune diseases:
www.sciencedirect.com
Trypsin inhibitors in soybeans and legumes can reduce protein digestibility by up to 50% and protein quality by up to 100%:
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Estrogenic activity of your "healthy" antioxidants:
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
80% of kidney stones are caused by oxalates:
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
75% of calcium in spinach is not bioavailable due to oxalates:
Conversion of beta-carotene to vitamin A is inefficient:
www.sciencedirect.com
ALA (Plant-Based Omega-3) conversion to DHA is below 5%:
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Plant proteins have lower bioavailability and contain anti-nutrients that hinder nutrient absorption:
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Plants are missing 15 micro nutrients that are all found in meat. Some plants can contain insufficient trace amounts of a few of these nutrients, often due to bacteria or similar sources. But generally, they lack these 15 essential micro nutrients in sufficient quantities needed for optimal health and development.
"But it's good to treat constipation!"
Yet this actual scientific study isolating variables found the exact opposite:
Stopping or reducing dietary fiber intake reduces constipation and its associated symptoms - PMC
AIM: To investigate the effect of reducing dietary fiber on patients with idiopathic constipation. METHODS: Sixty-three cases of idiopathic constipation presenting between May 2008 and May 2010 were enrolled into the study after colonoscopy excluded ...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
"In our recent study, patients who followed a diet with no or less dietary fiber intake showed a significant improvement, not just in their constipation, but also in their bloatedness. Patients who completely stopped consuming dietary fiber no longer suffered from abdominal bloatedness and pain"
"But plants are healthy and not poisonous, what are you talking about? They are full of essential vitamins!
""But healthy antioxidants bro!
"Goitrogens in broccoli can negatively impact brain development:
Role of goitrogens in iodine deficiency disorders & brain development - PubMed
Although iodine deficiency has primarily been implicated in the causation of goitre, the significant role played by food goitrogens in the etiology of iodine deficiency disorder (IDD) is being increasingly recognized. Impaired brain development is the major cause of concern in IDD. Detailed...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Lectins inhibit nutrient absorption, thus leading to nutrient deficiencies:
Lectins • The Nutrition Source
Lectins, or hemagglutinins, are an “anti-nutrient” that have received much attention due to popular media and fad diet books citing lectins as a major cause
nutritionsource.hsph.harvard.edu
Lectins in plants may contribute to autoimmune diseases:
From inflammation to immune regulation: The dual nature of dietary lectins in health and disease
Beans, vegetables, fruits, and mushrooms offer a delightful array of fragrances and an abundance of nutrients, including essential vitamins, minerals,…
Trypsin inhibitors in soybeans and legumes can reduce protein digestibility by up to 50% and protein quality by up to 100%:
Impact of antinutritional factors in food proteins on the digestibility of protein and the bioavailability of amino acids and on protein quality - PubMed
Dietary antinutritional factors have been reported to adversely affect the digestibility of protein, bioavailability of amino acids and protein quality of foods. Published data on these negative effects of major dietary antinutritional factors are summarized in this manuscript. Digestibility and...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Estrogenic activity of your "healthy" antioxidants:
Risks and safety of polyphenol consumption - PubMed
This article gives an overview of the potential hazards of polyphenol consumption, as reported during the round-table discussion at the 1st International Conference on Polyphenols and Health, held in Vichy, France, November 2003. Adverse effects of polyphenols have been evaluated primarily in...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
80% of kidney stones are caused by oxalates:
Strategies for preventing calcium oxalate stones - PMC
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
75% of calcium in spinach is not bioavailable due to oxalates:
Conversion of beta-carotene to vitamin A is inefficient:
The challenge to reach nutritional adequacy for vitamin A: β-carotene bioavailability and conversion—evidence in humans
β-Carotene is an important dietary source of vitamin A for humans. However, the bioavailability and vitamin A equivalency of β-carotene are highly var…
ALA (Plant-Based Omega-3) conversion to DHA is below 5%:
Efficiency of conversion of alpha-linolenic acid to long chain n-3 fatty acids in man - PubMed
Alpha-linolenic acid (18:3n-3) is the major n-3 (omega 3) fatty acid in the human diet. It is derived mainly from terrestrial plant consumption and it has long been thought that its major biochemical role is as the principal precursor for long chain polyunsaturated fatty acids, of which...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Plant proteins have lower bioavailability and contain anti-nutrients that hinder nutrient absorption:
Protein Nutrition: Understanding Structure, Digestibility, and Bioavailability for Optimal Health - PMC
This review discusses different protein sources and their role in human nutrition, focusing on their structure, digestibility, and bioavailability. Plant-based proteins, such as those found in legumes, nuts, and seeds, may contain anti-nutritional ...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Plants are missing 15 micro nutrients that are all found in meat. Some plants can contain insufficient trace amounts of a few of these nutrients, often due to bacteria or similar sources. But generally, they lack these 15 essential micro nutrients in sufficient quantities needed for optimal health and development.
Chapter 2: Gluconeogenesis, the natural energy source
Watch this video on the Randle cycle, no need to type it out and make this thread longer than it already is. He explains it well:
Basically: Your body creates enough carbs to thrive on its own trough gluconeogenesis. Humans have lived on gluconeogenesis for decamillennia. Gymcels read the statement below.
Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randle_cycle
Eating the natural carnivore diet will prevent cancer and diabetes, as your blood glucose level won't be chronically elevated:
"But I go to the gym, I need carbs!"
You don't need to do 5 sets of 20 of squats, just do low volume high intensity. If you still feel the need for carbs after fixing your sleep schedule and a few weeks of ketosis, go ahead and eat some fruit for carbs. You don't need to do everything perfect or 100% similar to our ancestors. My point is, that even imitating the most natural diet as close as possible for your life circumstances is superior to goyslop.
Basically: Your body creates enough carbs to thrive on its own trough gluconeogenesis. Humans have lived on gluconeogenesis for decamillennia. Gymcels read the statement below.
Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randle_cycle
Eating the natural carnivore diet will prevent cancer and diabetes, as your blood glucose level won't be chronically elevated:
"But I go to the gym, I need carbs!"
You don't need to do 5 sets of 20 of squats, just do low volume high intensity. If you still feel the need for carbs after fixing your sleep schedule and a few weeks of ketosis, go ahead and eat some fruit for carbs. You don't need to do everything perfect or 100% similar to our ancestors. My point is, that even imitating the most natural diet as close as possible for your life circumstances is superior to goyslop.
Common logical fallacies: "Raw meat won't ascend you!"
— Yes, it won't. It's still the healthiest "diet". I never claimed it would magically triple your PSL."Bro listens to Goatis, what a retard!"
— I don't. Goatis did not invent the natural human diet. I disagree with a lot of stuff he says. Go after the logical reasoning and actual arguments if you disagree. Trying to use ad hominem or a straw man won't work here. Be better. Let's see how many "people" still bring make use of these.
Of course, there is much more to this, but I think this is a great start.
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" kind of peptide guys that dismiss any arguments because some acid thrower on YouTube also promotes a natural diet.
